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[SmokePants]

Isn't it Bioware that's the one "Holding the line"? They aren't the aggressors here. You guys are. Your battle cry should be "Press the line!". Of course, then you're comparing yourself to Saren and company...

I would just totally lose my **** laughing if it was discovered that Bioware was using "Hold the Line" in their internal e-mails about this whole mess.

"Now the joke is on you, human."

Modifié par SmokePants, 20 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[cyrrant]

Man, there was so much catching up to do. I knew it was going to be like this, and should have just given the middle finger to my boss so I could be here with all of you all day instead of trying to keep myself updated on my none-too-adequate iPhone. I'm glad to see that our ranks swell with each passing hour, and it's heartening to see that, even though there hasn't been any real response from Bioware, people are still standing strong.

I am proud that I'm part of Retake Mass Effect, the civility displayed by the entire BSN when confronted with differing opinions has been refreshing, and I think it can only help our cause. I promise that tomorrow morning I will be back in fighting form and ready to join you guys back on the line.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[IndustrializedTaco]

SmokePants wrote...

Isn't it Bioware that's the one "Holding the line"? They aren't the aggressors here. You guys are. Your battle cry should be "Press the line!". Of course, then you're comparing yourself to Saren and company...

I would just totally lose my **** laughing if it was discovered that Bioware was using "Hold the Line" in their internal e-mails about this whole mess.

"Now the joke is on you, human. You will believe anything."

Insert evil laugh.

[cyrrant]

SmokePants wrote...

Isn't it Bioware that's the one "Holding the line"? They aren't the aggressors here. You guys are. Your battle cry should be "Press the line!". Of course, then you're comparing yourself to Saren and company...

I would just totally lose my **** laughing if it was discovered that Bioware was using "Hold the Line" in their internal e-mails about this whole mess.

"Now the joke is on you, human. You will believe anything."

That's great!  Was there anything you did like about the Retake Mass Effect movement?

[Necrotron]

TurambarEA wrote...

That unigamesity article is a good read - I've been disgusted by the knee-jerk reaction of the games media towards gamers where most of those doing so aren't even across the issues in the first place. Anyone who hasn't read it should give it a read: http://www.unigamesi...ia-fail-gamers/

"Professional courtesy doesn’t mean to be nice, it means be professional enough to know and understand the issue before you write about it."

It's afternoon in Australia now and I'm only just checking in - did I miss anything in the last 12+ hours?

Great read.

[Nadtsat]

This night, I came to realise that I already felt betrayed by BW a few years ago. When they made the announcement that the KOTOR3 project had gone MMO (sw:tor) In my view, this was the first sign that something like this could happen. When a company decides to deny a huge number of fans the long-waited follow up to an excellent game series because they want to reproduce the financial success of a game concept meant to milk gullible no-life players.

It's always been my personal opinion that MMO's were the perfect device to make tons of money off a game that wasn't really providing the player with any strong emotions or sense of accomplishment. MMO's are about turning players into mindless drones and slaves. So they're a no-no for me.

I really felt betrayed and boy was I angry. No "KOTOR 3" on consoles?! Heck, no KOTOR3 at all? What a let down. (When I was a teen I had a PC but now I'm using a mac, my computer is made for working, not for gaming).

It clearly was a clue that BW was going downhill. But I blame all that on the publisher. Including what's happening today. If BW has poor writing, there's a good chance that EA's whipping BW's ass to get it done faster and/or in a more economical way has some responsibility in this...

I have a friend who worked for several game developers as a level-designer. He worked on all console platforms and pc games and with some major publishers. What he told me about the pressure and the ridiculous demands the publisher had, I couldn't believe it. The poor chap was going mad too...

[Lil One]

LeoSpike wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

LeoSpike wrote...
I saw a link earlier to a website where Drew talked about an ending to the game that was scrapped. Comments about the ending from readers were mixed. But that ending really didn't match up with the endings in the game.

Is it possible to re-post that link I would like to read it.

Here you go.

www.strategyinformer.com/news/17086/mass-effect-writer-drew-karpyshyn-reveals-original-mass-effect-3-endings

Shepard's reaction to this "make Reapers to solve the dark matter issue" probably would be something like this:

"Why didn't you tell us, you big ninnies?  And sooner, instead of causing all this pain and suffering, over and over?  For crying out loud...  We got some brilliant minds here!  Right, Mordin?"


...or something...

But, wait, that would require being able to ask questions, and come up with a new solution, hmm, same issues in some way as with the current "ending"...

[maki0129]

This is just a suggestion, but since Bioware's PR department, and specially sites like IGN and the such are giving us the finger and dismissing our movement for being idiotic in trying to change the ending, I think we should agree on the semantics of our movement.

Let's be analytical and honest about our desire here.

We don't want the endings changed.

The endings are crap, but if people still wanna pick the ****ty ones we got and love them, and honestly belive they're great, I think most of us can agree that those people (crazy as they are) have that right. What we want really is MORE endings. You know, as we were promised, we were promised sixteen, VASTLY different endings, and let's be charitable and say we got 6 different endings. That still means they owe us 10 endings.

And preferably these new 10 endings, would... y'know, not suck.

That's just a suggestion, though. Because I think that A) It would make us look more rational and not as antagonistic with the people who loved the ending. And It would reduce the amount of ridicule we would get from faux gaming news site like IGN, which sadly still hold some power over public opinion.

So... thoughts?

[bahamutomega]

we've started swinging some of the media. The Vine had a great article that was on our side of the line. i don't have the link, but it was a forum topic here.

hold the line.

[OhManTFE]

At this point I would be really surprised if Bioware didn't deliver to the fans. It is just a matter what exactly they are planning, some really minor change to the ending or a massive one?

[maki0129]

OhManTFE wrote...

At this point I would be really surprised if Bioware didn't deliver to the fans. It is just a matter what exactly they are planning, some really minor change to the ending or a massive one?

Don't assume we're on the other side until we are.

In other words, I think we should refuse to believe they deliver until they actually deliver.

[cinderburster]

maki0129 wrote...

This is just a suggestion, but since Bioware's PR department, and specially sites like IGN and the such are giving us the finger and dismissing our movement for being idiotic in trying to change the ending, I think we should agree on the semantics of our movement.

Let's be analytical and honest about our desire here.

We don't want the endings changed.

The endings are crap, but if people still wanna pick the ****ty ones we got and love them, and honestly belive they're great, I think most of us can agree that those people (crazy as they are) have that right. What we want really is MORE endings. You know, as we were promised, we were promised sixteen, VASTLY different endings, and let's be charitable and say we got 6 different endings. That still means they owe us 10 endings.

And preferably these new 10 endings, would... y'know, not suck.

That's just a suggestion, though. Because I think that A) It would make us look more rational and not as antagonistic with the people who loved the ending. And It would reduce the amount of ridicule we would get from faux gaming news site like IGN, which sadly still hold some power over public opinion.

So... thoughts?

I agree.  I've been saying all along that the endings as they are should be expanded on, not changed, since there are people that enjoy them and I think they deserve to be happy too.

[aznsoisauce]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Anybody else see the thread with the results from that huge poll? This oughta be fun. Incoming troll horde.

I am surprised that I had not even heard of these polls before you posted a link to that thread. then again...I don't spend as much time on here as I used to. I blame bitterness.

[Sbj220]

http://social.biowar...ndex/10098213/1

[IndustrializedTaco]

cinderburster wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

This is just a suggestion, but since Bioware's PR department, and specially sites like IGN and the such are giving us the finger and dismissing our movement for being idiotic in trying to change the ending, I think we should agree on the semantics of our movement.

Let's be analytical and honest about our desire here.

We don't want the endings changed.

The endings are crap, but if people still wanna pick the ****ty ones we got and love them, and honestly belive they're great, I think most of us can agree that those people (crazy as they are) have that right. What we want really is MORE endings. You know, as we were promised, we were promised sixteen, VASTLY different endings, and let's be charitable and say we got 6 different endings. That still means they owe us 10 endings.

And preferably these new 10 endings, would... y'know, not suck.

That's just a suggestion, though. Because I think that A) It would make us look more rational and not as antagonistic with the people who loved the ending. And It would reduce the amount of ridicule we would get from faux gaming news site like IGN, which sadly still hold some power over public opinion.

So... thoughts?

I agree.  I've been saying all along that the endings as they are should be expanded on, not changed, since there are people that enjoy them and I think they deserve to be happy too.

I agree, they should keep the endings as are, but add new ones that actually take choices into account.
I like the idea of basing the endings off of EMS, that would be great you know. You get Control, Synthesis, Destroy, if you are under the specific line. If you are over you get those three plus some others. Maybe ignore the space magic god child. Maybe shot THE **** OUT OF IT! other things like that. Or an optional patch, for those who want it. 

[Utopianus]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Meh, the Dark Energy idea wasn't terribly much better. Since it only resulted in two choices one of which was basically "Reapers win", and I can't see ANYONE honestly picking "Hey, Reapers are right!" as an option.

That's what bugged me about the dark energy thing. I mean wouldn't this technically be a more or less universal problem, and not just a galatic problem. I mean if you have the ability to speed the ageing of stars shouldn't that be a cause for concern of not just the reapers but the WHOLE BLOODY UNIVERSE. I mean that would of been an interesting plot twist though. I wonder was there a conclusion to that quest? Did we ever find out why the star was dying. I didn't, I'm just wondering did any one else have that problem?

Not sure if anyone here watch anime (please don't kill me if you hate it! ), but this dark energy thing is very similar *SPOILER*



to the main driving force for the antagonists in the anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica (a huge genre-busting show done incredibly right, but definitely not for children who want happy magical-girl shows!). Instead of dark energy however the antagonists were "farming" humans to stave off galactic entropy, however this reveal, similar to what the Catalyst had revealed to Shepard, was at the first 1/3 of the story and the rest of the show focused on how the protagonists dealt with it, which I thought handled that very hard-to-accept concept and themes of individuality, unity, and the common-threat-with-ulterior-motives very well. Maybe BioWare could learn from that, or maybe not, because they have already threw the dark energy idea out the window. What I mean to say is that here are two similar concepts in similar medium, both strived for "bittersweet" and "profound" ending, one achieved it whilst the other catastrophically failed.

Modifié par Utopianus, 20 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Hashbeth]

maki0129 wrote...

This is just a suggestion, but since Bioware's PR department, and specially sites like IGN and the such are giving us the finger and dismissing our movement for being idiotic in trying to change the ending, I think we should agree on the semantics of our movement.

Let's be analytical and honest about our desire here.

We don't want the endings changed.

The endings are crap, but if people still wanna pick the ****ty ones we got and love them, and honestly belive they're great, I think most of us can agree that those people (crazy as they are) have that right. What we want really is MORE endings. You know, as we were promised, we were promised sixteen, VASTLY different endings, and let's be charitable and say we got 6 different endings. That still means they owe us 10 endings.

And preferably these new 10 endings, would... y'know, not suck.

That's just a suggestion, though. Because I think that A) It would make us look more rational and not as antagonistic with the people who loved the ending. And It would reduce the amount of ridicule we would get from faux gaming news site like IGN, which sadly still hold some power over public opinion.

So... thoughts?

I think this is on the right track. If people like the endings as they are, then they can keep them. Either make the DLC not a mandatory thing, or you can go along the lines of something like Indoc theory, and just make one specific choice lead to a new set of endings.

[Nadtsat]

fibchopkin wrote...

Nadtsat wrote...

This night, I came to realise that I already felt betrayed by BW a few years ago. When they made the announcement that the KOTOR3 project had gone MMO (sw:tor) In my view, this was the first sign that something like this could happen. When a company decides to deny a huge number of fans the long-waited follow up to an excellent game series because they want to reproduce the financial success of a game concept meant to milk gullible no-life players.

It's always been my personal opinion that MMO's were the perfect device to make tons of money off a game that wasn't really providing the player with any strong emotions or sense of accomplishment. MMO's are about turning players into mindless drones and slaves. So they're a no-no for me.

I really felt betrayed and boy was I angry. No "KOTOR 3" on consoles?! Heck, no KOTOR3 at all? What a let down. (When I was a teen I had a PC but now I'm using a mac, my computer is made for working, not for gaming).

It clearly was a clue that BW was going downhill. But I blame all that on the publisher. Including what's happening today. If BW has poor writing, there's a good chance that EA's whipping BW's ass to get it done faster and/or in a more economical way has some responsibility in this...

I have a friend who worked for several game developers as a level-designer. He worked on all console platforms and pc games and with some major publishers. What he told me about the pressure and the ridiculous demands the publisher had, I couldn't believe it. The poor chap was going mad too...

Woaah!! Steady now.  I happen to dislike MMO's myself- I'm not even big on multiplayer games, truth to tell, but there's no need to insult people who do choose to play these games.  I understand that you want to lash out- we're all upset, but there's no need to to get all insult-y.  Stay classy- and hold the line!

I didn't mean to insult any of the players, my phrasing of it only described the concept of the MMO. I am not saying that MMO players ARE what the underlying concept and goal of the MMO genre takes them for.

These are corporations we're dealing with. You know publishers will tend to be like "Yey! Let's make money off the sheeps". But in no way I'm depreciating anyone for playing MMO's. Because truth is, had I still had a PC, I'd probably had given it a try...

Modifié par Nadtsat, 20 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[musicaleCA]

Lil One wrote...

LeoSpike wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

LeoSpike wrote...
I saw a link earlier to a website where Drew talked about an ending to the game that was scrapped. Comments about the ending from readers were mixed. But that ending really didn't match up with the endings in the game.

Is it possible to re-post that link I would like to read it.

Here you go.

www.strategyinformer.com/news/17086/mass-effect-writer-drew-karpyshyn-reveals-original-mass-effect-3-endings

Shepard's reaction to this "make Reapers to solve the dark matter issue" probably would be something like this:

"Why didn't you tell us, you big ninnies?  And sooner, instead of causing all this pain and suffering, over and over?  For crying out loud...  We got some brilliant minds here!  Right, Mordin?"


...or something...

But, wait, that would require being able to ask questions, and come up with a new solution, hmm, same issues in some way as with the current "ending"...

Wow.

Give us back THAT choice, and a proper epilogue (so we know what happens after, not just "LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!!"), and I'd be happy. Say you unify everyone, the Quarians, Geth, Rachni, Asari, Turians, Salarians. All those brilliant minds working together could solve whatever this terrible problem was. Or maybe you missed out on the Geth, or someone else. Whoops. Dark Energy madness destroyed a few systems, like say...Thessia, before the solution was found.

Or maybe you totally FUBAR'd it so chosing to make a human Reaper was the only safe option to save everyone else.

Now THAT would be a choice. A real, moral dillemma. Sacrifice a species, your own, to save everyone else, or have faith that somehow, everyone united can pull-off a solution before the whole galaxy goes kaput. (I'd even accept the Godchild representation of the Reapers if this was the problem presented, not the insane circular reasoning.)

Man. I knew I was right to be worried when Drew wasn't going to be writing ME3.

At this point, the ending doesn't need to be a big-arse surprise. It just needs to fit.

Modifié par musicaleCA, 20 mars 2012 - 07:45 .

[Sbj220]

[SkaldFish]

cinderburster wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

This is just a suggestion, but since Bioware's PR department, and specially sites like IGN and the such are giving us the finger and dismissing our movement for being idiotic in trying to change the ending, I think we should agree on the semantics of our movement.

Let's be analytical and honest about our desire here.

We don't want the endings changed.

The endings are crap, but if people still wanna pick the ****ty ones we got and love them, and honestly belive they're great, I think most of us can agree that those people (crazy as they are) have that right. What we want really is MORE endings. You know, as we were promised, we were promised sixteen, VASTLY different endings, and let's be charitable and say we got 6 different endings. That still means they owe us 10 endings.

And preferably these new 10 endings, would... y'know, not suck.

That's just a suggestion, though. Because I think that A) It would make us look more rational and not as antagonistic with the people who loved the ending. And It would reduce the amount of ridicule we would get from faux gaming news site like IGN, which sadly still hold some power over public opinion.

So... thoughts?

I agree.  I've been saying all along that the endings as they are should be expanded on, not changed, since there are people that enjoy them and I think they deserve to be happy too.

I agree in principle, but I don't see how the current endings can be made to make sense without a lot of work. It's hard to incrementally turn a Rube Goldberg machine into something really functional; you pretty much have to tear it apart and start over. I'm not disagreeing, I'm just skeptical. Maybe it depends on exactly what we mean by "expanding on the endings as they are."

Also, another thought regarding people who like the ending: a person who's never had steak is probably happy with textured vegetable protein. That's no reason to withhold the steak, right?

[Ajx-]

Why hasn't anyone wondered about the time frame. It was a over a week before they acknowledged the distraught community. Does anyone honestly think they CAN make a Dlc that satisfies everyone ? Honestly I see mp Dlc in our future, Dlc that has been worked on since before ME3's release. But an endings Dlc? As I said, a week to acknowledge. This is going to take time. Lots of it. Maybe 2013. Maybe.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Ajx- wrote...

Why hasn't anyone wondered about the time frame. It was a over a week before they acknowledged the distraught community. Does anyone honestly think they CAN make a Dlc that satisfies everyone ? Honestly I see mp Dlc in our future, Dlc that has been worked on since before ME3's release. But an endings Dlc? As I said, a week to acknowledge. This is going to take time. Lots of it. Maybe 2013. Maybe.

As long as they make it I'm happy.

[MoFetti1]

We need to start holding the publications that are dismissing us accountable as well! I like IGN but I think they need to know who they really work for a news outlet.......the people, and right now a lot of gamers are not happy.