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#6576
KevShep

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Xellith wrote...

They are hoping that if they stall us then we will lose momentum. WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

Our choices should matter. HOLD THE LINE


I think Bioware had this whole thing in mind from the get-go. There will be 16 endings, but none the less I and others MUST Hold the Line!

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shephard987 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Narsilsword wrote...

I've seen a lot of game Journalists refer to us as "pissed" about the ending. Some of them havn't even done any research into the arguments of fans. They merely speculate and assume that we are undeserving malcontents.
I'm astounded at the sloppy journalism from such individuals

Unfortunate, but expected. We have to contact these sites and give them the REAL reasons why we are angry.

A Gamefromt article related the FTC guy to us. I commented to ask him to fix said misconception.


I think that it is up to us to bring these misconceptions to light.
I think that wheneve we see said misconceptions, we should send the author a message hoping
to show that we're not as pissed as other people are calling us. 
IF we don't take steps to change the view of the media,
then this war was lost before it began. 

Hold the Line

Someone should say something cause that FTC wasn't apart of retake.

Hold the Line.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 20 mars 2012 - 03:37 .


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Here is what I think will happen. The end of the month is the end of the first quarter so both Bioware and Ea will hold out until then. After that we will see one or two weeks where they launch a lot of attack on us in the press,here by sending in plants,and maybe even trying to start their own facebook movement. One thing they will try to do is send plants to start fights to try and get us fighting each other. If that doesn't work because we stick together keeping the pressure up and not buying their stuff they will run out of steam and we will start to really hurt for our money. We then will not hear anything for a week or two after their last attack fails because they will be deciding what to do. By the end of next month they will announce either one of three things.

1)they are giving up supporting ME3 SP with DLC becuase it is unpopular so they will focus on multiplayer.

2)they will not are moving on to the next project and are just going to let ME3 die.

or

3)new endings DLC is being worked on

I think number three is the most likely because if we stick together and don't fight each other and don't break our boycott will have shown them that the other two will not fix the problem and in the long term ME is not a good enough shooter on it's own to compete with games like GOW and COD as only an online shooter. Also they have deal with Warner brothers to think about and warner brother wants the mass effect name to have value in a few years and it will only have that if we stick with it,but that time the online crowd will have moved on to something else and EA has to know this. So stick together and we will win.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar.../user_group.php

Thank you for your time.

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Ugh, my incompetence hurts me. Does anybody have that thread where BioWare promised all those things (all the PR stuff) pre-release? I'm emailing some media sites with one or two of those quotes, maybe they'll include them in the story. Also explains the multiple endings, not just 'happy ending'.

I've searched but for the life of me I can't find it. A little help would be wonderful!

Our choices should matter - Hold the Line

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shygravel wrote...

Update: N7 Patches

Short and sweet: I went ahead and created a group on this subject:
http://social.bioware.com/group/7102/

Anyone interested, please feel free to join and spread the word.
And that's that, for the sake of not diluting the original purpose of this thread in a side project. :)


Thanks. :)
Maybe you should inform the OP Bachuck in a PN about this group, so he can put the link in the opening post.

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Xellith wrote...

They are hoping that if they stall us then we will lose momentum. WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

I still don't understand that way of thinking.  If they continue to stall us they'll likely lose a lot of customers.  The mind boggles as to why anyone at EA thinks this is a good thing.

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PluralAces wrote...

*snip*

But anyway, honestly, I can understand Shephard dying to save the world (or in one instance surviving saving the world), but I cant understand why you would isolate all of the different characters from each other by destroying the mass relays. The ending polarized many people, as I'm sure the final choice that Shepard made, many people would want to see the result of that choice, rather than just Joker crashing on some unknown planet, etc...

I also understand that the stargazer telling his son "OK, one more story" perhaps means that there is more to tell about Shepard, etc... but there were certain things that didnt make sense and the ending(s) should have been able to bring more closure to the many that were expecting such.



This.

I think the main problem for me is that only two of the themes that were developed throughout the rest of the series were incorporated into the endings, that is, the themes of honor and sacrifice. The issue is that these themes are contradictory in how they are implemented. What was the impact and effect of Shepard's sacrifice? What did it really matter in the end if Shepard's actions essentially caused a galaxy-wide holocaust? And as for honor, I think Javik had an appropriate bit of dialogue earlier in the game...

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Jamie9 wrote...

Ugh, my incompetence hurts me. Does anybody have that thread where BioWare promised all those things (all the PR stuff) pre-release? I'm emailing some media sites with one or two of those quotes, maybe they'll include them in the story. Also explains the multiple endings, not just 'happy ending'.

I've searched but for the life of me I can't find it. A little help would be wonderful!

Our choices should matter - Hold the Line


Someone found it for me earlier for the same reason, I'll gladly pass along the link:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

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Things can always get worse. Like Kasumi said, there could be rats.

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Xellith wrote...

I have to say that the evisceration of the most epic trilogy ever has had the positive consequence of bringing all of us together in the true spirit of Mass Effect. All colors, creeds, races all fighting a common enemy - the rEApers.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line. Give us what we were promised.



'the rEApers' love it :)

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vometia wrote...

Xellith wrote...

They are hoping that if they stall us then we will lose momentum. WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

I still don't understand that way of thinking.  If they continue to stall us they'll likely lose a lot of customers.  The mind boggles as to why anyone at EA thinks this is a good thing.


They're banking on the stalling giving us time to calm down and "forgive" the ending. It happens a lot with things like this. People raging over on-the-disc DLC, for instance, may still buy future DLC once their anger has subsided. I think EA/Bioware have messed up in this case, as the sustained frustration is a lot stronger than other blow-ups around the 'net that I've seen.

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cyrrant wrote...
Someone found it for me earlier for the same reason, I'll gladly pass along the link:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line


Thank you. I have it bookmarked now in case I need it again. Sent off a couple of emails so hopefully some sites will update their stories or new ones will cover it.

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#6588
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Jamie9 wrote...

Harbinger of Fun wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Guy this was on BBC!


Link?


http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

Very interesting that the very first paragraph of the BBC article is: "Players have complained that decisions taken during the game have little
effect on the ending - a key selling point of the series."  And not, "A bunch of fans want a happy ending."

Emphasis mine.  That's an important shift; the immediate focus on this as a consumer issue, the disconnect between a product line's selling point, and the perceived failure of that feature in the line's latest offering.

After reading the OP, especially atg's analysis, I've decided to modify my response.  Initially, I was completely opposed to buying any sort of "real ending DLC," for a few reasons, Mainly because I believed there was a good chance this was the plan all along, but it misfired.  I was feeling more than a little cynical about the whole thing.

I still maintain I will not be using Origin, or playing MP, or even the SP online, until this is resolved.  I will definitely not be buying any other unrelated DLC for any aspect of this game, or any other BWEA offering, until this is resolved.

But I will consider buying any offered DLC that addresses our concerns.  I don't honestly know if I'd buy it right away or wait until I hear reviews about it - will depend entirely on how it's presented, I think.

As for SWTOR, I am still undecided.  I think I'll have to see how this is all handled.  It is EA who is in charge of SWTOR, and their response here could be taken as indicative of of how they'll handle their players there, so I think it's valid to tie them together.  I'm enjoying the game and have enjoyed what I see of 1.2 on the PTS; I don't want to leave it.  I'm leaning towards keeping the account, unless the final response really bollockses things up / drops all remaining confidence I have in BWEA.

So, yeah.  I've shifted to "will buy ending DLC."  As atg states a HELL of a lot quicker than I, not doing so kinda removes a lot of the incentive of EA to address this.  I think whatever the original plan was no longer matters; we're all shaping a major part of the future of the gaming industry here, and our future expectations as loyal customers.  So.. here's my own olive branch ;)

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Will Bioware even make a decision to not change the endings? I mean vocalise it.

Let's say Bioware has decided to not change the endings, would they ever tell the fans that? Or would they just keep quiet? I think if they do decide to not change the endings - they sure as hell aren't going to tell us. They know that stating that isn't going to end well for them, right?

Please I'm looking for a PR knowledgeable answer.

Modifié par OhManTFE, 20 mars 2012 - 03:47 .


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I don't think we will really here anything until April. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

Come on guys, we all knew we were in it for the long haul. We can last that long. Don't let the fires die out, and don't let that PR crap win. We can last longer than they can stall.

Hold the line people. For as long as it takes.

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I really wish there were more journalists and news outlets willing to provide an objective and fair analysis of the issue and of the Retake movement. I know that there are more each day, but I can't help but think the situation would improve if some of the major outlets backed down from their current stance of snark and denial and actually tried to understand the problem.

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dreaming_raithe wrote...

vometia wrote...

Xellith wrote...

They are hoping that if they stall us then we will lose momentum. WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

I still don't understand that way of thinking.  If they continue to stall us they'll likely lose a lot of customers.  The mind boggles as to why anyone at EA thinks this is a good thing.


They're banking on the stalling giving us time to calm down and "forgive" the ending. It happens a lot with things like this. People raging over on-the-disc DLC, for instance, may still buy future DLC once their anger has subsided. I think EA/Bioware have messed up in this case, as the sustained frustration is a lot stronger than other blow-ups around the 'net that I've seen.


We resist for Maurader Shields.
Our Choices Should Matter-Hold The Line

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Keep it up folks. Shout loud enough and long enough and they will cave.

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DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Here is what I think will happen. The end of the month is the end of the first quarter so both Bioware and Ea will hold out until then. After that we will see one or two weeks where they launch a lot of attack on us in the press,here by sending in plants,and maybe even trying to start their own facebook movement. One thing they will try to do is send plants to start fights to try and get us fighting each other. If that doesn't work because we stick together keeping the pressure up and not buying their stuff they will run out of steam and we will start to really hurt for our money. We then will not hear anything for a week or two after their last attack fails because they will be deciding what to do. By the end of next month they will announce either one of three things.

1)they are giving up supporting ME3 SP with DLC becuase it is unpopular so they will focus on multiplayer.

2)they will not are moving on to the next project and are just going to let ME3 die.

or

3)new endings DLC is being worked on

I think number three is the most likely because if we stick together and don't fight each other and don't break our boycott will have shown them that the other two will not fix the problem and in the long term ME is not a good enough shooter on it's own to compete with games like GOW and COD as only an online shooter. Also they have deal with Warner brothers to think about and warner brother wants the mass effect name to have value in a few years and it will only have that if we stick with it,but that time the online crowd will have moved on to something else and EA has to know this. So stick together and we will win.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar.../user_group.php

Thank you for your time.


I dunno wat they will do, but i see on some site that they are start talking about DA3, imho it' s a distration move to keep some pressure out.

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To me, I think it's very straight forward, they're trying to ride this out, and at this time have no plans to change anything. I think the only way to get resolution is to get EA to force Bioware to do it as the folks there seem to have their heels dug in (the two leads are the ones who wrote the ending anyway). Personally I have no expectation that anything will come from this, other than Bioware losing a ton of support and possibly becoming a shell of themselves.

I highly doubt we will see anything resembling an RPG or story driven game from them in the future, and if we do, the sales numbers will be a fraction of what they have been and the company will be ripped apart by EA.

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spacefiddle wrote...

So, yeah.  I've shifted to "will buy ending DLC."  As atg states a HELL of a lot quicker than I, not doing so kinda removes a lot of the incentive of EA to address this.  I think whatever the original plan was no longer matters; we're all shaping a major part of the future of the gaming industry here, and our future expectations as loyal customers.  So.. here's my own olive branch ;)


Yes, the important thing is that these companies need incentives (both positive and negative) to produce what we're asking for.  Personally, I would pay quite a bit of coin to make the pain go away, but I think a reasonable price point could be established that would make a lot of fans, if not happy, at least willing to grudgingly buy it.

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PluralAces wrote...

Regarding Casey Hudson's post, I feel like Bioware/EA believe that for many of the characters the ending is within the game. rro example, for the death of certain characters like Thane, Legion, their deaths are some sort of ending to Shepard's link with them. For other characters like Mordin, Miranda and Grunt, the choices that you make determine their survival or death, and at the end of those missions, their link is also closed. Same goes for Jack, Morinth/Samara, they can be with you till the end, or become enemies during the game, again based on the choices you have made.

I doubt anyone will read this because of the hundreds of postings, and in no way do I agree with the endings, I did not like them for various reasons. I just feel that Bioware/EA feel that the jounrey in itself was enough, and that there were multiple endings sort of speak with certain characters in the game (from the suicide mission in ME2 where everyone except you can die, to multiple attempts on Kaiden/Ashley and others) I think the only character who is not given a chance to die is Liara.

But anyway, honestly, I can understand Shephard dying to save the world (or in one instance surviving saving the world), but I cant understand why you would isolate all of the different characters from each other by destroying the mass relays. The ending polarized many people, as I'm sure the final choice that Shepard made, many people would want to see the result of that choice, rather than just Joker crashing on some unknown planet, etc...

I also understand that the stargazer telling his son "OK, one more story" perhaps means that there is more to tell about Shepard, etc... but there were certain things that didnt make sense and the ending(s) should have been able to bring more closure to the many that were expecting such.


That's what I sort of felt like as well but then I remembered reading the quotes in this article:
http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

If the journey was the ending, which is ridiculous in of itself, then why all these quotes? It just shows either BioWare really was EXTREMELY ARROGANT, EXTREMELY INCOMPETENT, or EXTREMELY GREEDY. One way or another, it doesn't add up to building your hardcore fans trust and expecting them to buy DLC and other products in the future like myself.

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dreaming_raithe wrote...

They're banking on the stalling giving us time to calm down and "forgive" the ending. It happens a lot with things like this. People raging over on-the-disc DLC, for instance, may still buy future DLC once their anger has subsided. I think EA/Bioware have messed up in this case, as the sustained frustration is a lot stronger than other blow-ups around the 'net that I've seen.

I see what you're getting at.  I agree that they've misjudged: well, I can't speak for anyone else, but once I'm over the ending, if that's how it's left, I'll have lost interest not just in ME3 but also Bioware and view EA's branding as a liability that should be approached with caution.  I'm not sure that's the outcome they think they'll get.

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Hardly an original thought here, but wouldn't getting high profile/celebrity gamers or industry figures involved in the discussion be a good idea? Call me naive, but it seems like that could only improve our odds by increasing awareness and support.

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Ender99 wrote...

I don't think we will really here anything until April. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

Come on guys, we all knew we were in it for the long haul. We can last that long. Don't let the fires die out, and don't let that PR crap win. We can last longer than they can stall.

Hold the line people. For as long as it takes.


I wouldn't call waiting until April "a long haul". That's only three weeks after release. A lot of people have been pointing out the end of Q1 as a time when we'll get some kind of statement and I agree. It's all about the money. Not only will EA have their financial reports done, but it gives BW a large enough sample size to see how many customers are happy/unhappy with their product.