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[iiNOMADii]

Guys, I just watched the Indoctrination Theory and it solved all the WTF plot holes/inconsistancies that I remembered. It's so crazy how it fits in that I now firmly believe that Indoc Theory is really what Bioware intended from the beginning.

It still doesn't mean that they gave us an ending per se, since after Shepard wakes up from the Destruction decision, he would have been at the particle beam thing with the Reapers still doing their whole 'harvest everyone lulz' thing, but it mad me feel a million times better than the non-Indoc ending, which wold have been the worst excuse for an ending I have ever heard of.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

cardboardarmor wrote...

 Meanwhile, these financial things happen.

As of writing, EA's stock prices have receeded to near pre-ME3 launch levels.  What does this mean?  Well...it means their stock prices are trending towards returning to near pre-ME3 launch levels.

The price rode high on the excitement of the game launch for a fair bit of time, but chill feelings seem to have put a damper on things.

See people these things take time.  i am sure we will win it will just take time for EA to feel it and decide that they have to give us the game we paid for in the first place.

Look two weeks is nothing for this sort of thing.  i know because as a Doctor Who fan I and others online fought for ten years to get that show back on.  everyone said it was hopeless but we kept telling people about the show and mailing the BBC and in the end the show came back.

Don't expect this to happen fast and don't expect it to be a smooth ride.  Over the next few weeks the attacks in the media are going to increase Ea is going to send plants into this forum and the facebook group to try and get us fighting each other.  The reason they are doing this is because they know if we don't cave they will have to.  Please stay together people and don't lose hope.  The soonest we can really expect anything to happen is the end of next month.  that is when EA should really start hurting and if we don't break up they will see that they need us and can't break us and we will get everything we want.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Sandoo]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Hey.... Just checking in to say keep up the good work.

Won't be I. Much tonight as I wanna play KOA as I still haven't yet. Thinking about naming my character 'HOLD THE LINE' though. Also gonna change my gamertag if this persists.

HOLD THE LINE - our choices matter

is KOA an EA game ?
if yes, it would have more impact if you actually didn't play any EA/Bioware game. It would be a problem for them if less and less player are using their games. 

[Xivai]

Rally, don't lose hope. We're in this for the LONG haul. EA/Bioware has a long time to weather the storm. We will not go quietly into the night.

[wheelierdan]

it really sucks that it has to be this way, why does the game have to tank or the stock prices have to before the explain themselves? So many people should be proud of what they did on this game, i hate that this is happening to them. even though i know this is our right as consumers, it just sucks.

I'm tired of their silence, i just want to go back to being a fan and not a handled consumer.

[Ender1221]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Ender1221 wrote...

Posted this in a thread about the BBC story. Thought I'd get your take:


Hmmmm... Am I the only one who, after reading the article and finding out about the "counter" movement, sees our fight as eerily similar to the one playing out in Mass Effect 3? We are the Galaxy, BiowarEA are the Reapers, the members fighting BiowarEA through uncivil means (threats, rage) are Cerberus, and this "Counter" movement are kinda like the Heretic Geth. Hmmmmm....

P.S. Please don't take this post to mean that I think BiowarEA is evil and wants to destroy ppl. I just mean that, right now, they are the enemy.

Hold the Line!

please do not call them the enemy they have released the most amazing games but most importantly that is a quote the media could use against us so please edit and Rephrase that

Very well.  Editted.

I didn't mean to insinuate anything too negative and I apologize for any offense caused.

I do want to point out, however, that most people are comparing this to a battle.  The PR guy talks about EA going into a "bunker" and "deflecting" (love reading your posts BTW).  The military history guy discusses military strategy. This entire movement "Retake Mass Effect 3" implies that there is a battle going on.  Even the catchphrase "Hold the line."  What do you "hold a line" against, if not against the enemy?  In a battle, the opposing force is called the enemy.  Plain and simple.  There is nothing atagonistic there.  That doesn't mean that the "Enemy" is a bad guy.

In fact, I encourage you to read "The Man He Killed" by Thomas Hardy.  Great poem on war, but I digress.  From here further, I shall refer to Bioware as "The other party."  Is this offensive to anyone?

[stargatefan1990]

Sandoo wrote...

It sure seems it's over and they will not release any ending addon/dlc. If they wanted to make one, they could have officialy say : " We are working on one, but such a thing will take time to develop". They didn't even do that...
And while most of you here are still passionate about this, some of us (if not most of the ME fan) will start loosing interest because we simply can't focus our strenght on ME for a month, 3 months, etc ...
Bioware will think they won but in the end, they would simply have lost the respect of many and maybe a few of us (included me) will simply ignore everything related to Bioware.

On a long term, all they'll lose is a few hardore gamers (who are the one that talks the most about Bioware games). Not a big problem for them since EA is doing all they can to seduce casual players.

Right now, it's bioware job to stand still against us. But us, the community, we have jobs, kids to take care and can't focus our life on them. Longer the fight, more chance for Bioware to win.

this is a PR Person's Dream i intend to hold the line as long as it takes i have a lifeand i certanly understand your position but do not lose faith just comment once in a while to show you are still intrested

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Sandoo wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Hey.... Just checking in to say keep up the good work.

Won't be I. Much tonight as I wanna play KOA as I still haven't yet. Thinking about naming my character 'HOLD THE LINE' though. Also gonna change my gamertag if this persists.

HOLD THE LINE - our choices matter

is KOA an EA game ?
if yes, it would have more impact if you actually didn't play any EA/Bioware game. It would be a problem for them if less and less player are using their games. 

yep that is why I am boycotting Ea Too and i want to thank those who canceled their TOR accounts that will make a real impact.

The movement is young but stick together and we will win in the end and get the content we were told would be on the game disc in the first place.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Beti88]

I just want something new info. Anything that would give a boost. Boost to my hope or my anger, doesn't matter. Somebody say something! Did any letters arreived at all?

[Emberwake]

Don't respond to threads about your favorite moment or did the LI get enouvh face time. Keep replying to threads that reinforce the movement. We aren't going anywhere.

Hold the line.

[Ender1221]

shygravel wrote...

Just some thoughts regarding posts I've seen recently and purely my own opinion, of course:

I don't like the idea of thinking of Bioware as 'the enemy' here: We're two parties in disagreement, hoping to enter into negotiations. To peg them as an enemy or adversarial in a militant manner is to alienate them. And I truly believe the people who poured years into this game care about the game and the fans. If we single them out as 'enemies' -- if we ask for anyone to be fired, if we do anything like that, then we're setting a moral precedent that I, for one, disagree with and am uncomfortable with. I'd like to stay above that. Maybe that's naive of me, but there it is. I want to take the 'Paragon' road here, if that means anything.

Paying for Ending DLC: Yes, of course I'll pay for it. I know some would like free DLC/expansion/etc - and it would be nice if that was the case. But this is still a company we're dealing with. Furthermore, I'm thinking beyond 'The Man' here: Bioware has employees. Individuals with needs, with families, etc. Considering how rough the economy is everywhere, I'd very much like people to keep their jobs and continue to be paid for it. So a reasonably priced DLC? Yes, I don't think that would be the end of the world.

I like your initial sentiment and truly didn't mean for that phrase to be such a big deal.  However, if we, as a community feel this way, we need to lose all the combat lingo.  Otherwise it confuses the situation.

[wheelierdan]

Lochias WH wrote...

Don't respond to threads about your favorite moment or did the LI get enouvh face time. Keep replying to threads that reinforce the movement. We aren't going anywhere.

Hold the line.

i understand that strategy, but i disagree with it.  i prefer carrot and stick not all stick.  This isn't about us hating them or the game its about us loving the game and what they did, mostly.  We aren't an enemy, we are only so vocal because we are, and are invested as they intended.  They deserve to hear the good and the bad at the same time i think.

[sabasebatyne]

blurryhunter wrote...

*snip*


There is an iOS application called Mass Effect: Datapad that has various things to tie you into Mass Effect 3. These things range from viewing the Galaxy Map, to apparently playing around with a mini-game version of the Galaxy at War. One of these things happen to be periodic 'text' messages from people in the game during various moments of the game. One of those messages comes right after the finale of the game. Moments after beating it. What ending, I don't know, but the message I saw is from Kaidan (probably from Ashley if he's dead) that states something to the effect of: How are you feeling? I'll be coming by to see you, assuming they let me in. Take care.

Now, for the life of me, I cannot seem to find where I saw this, and I know it looks bad on me for mentioning something without a source, but trust me when I say I saw it. Now is what I saw authentic (it was a screenshot of the message itself)? I don't know. Without seeing it on a phone, personally, I'd never be able to give that definitive answer. Was it convincing enough to mention? Yes. What does this say, should it be real? Well, it certainly implies a lot of things. Not exactly the Indoctrination Theory, but it would definitely imply, seeing as its apparently received after the ending, that Shepard lives.

I'm going to roam through my history and try my best to pull this thing up and link it. I'll edit this message if I find something, or, if the pages of the thread pass too far, I'll post something new linking it. I'm not going to say it's 100%, because there's always that chance it isn't, but it's something to add, at least.

EDIT: Exact words on this Kaidan message, as I'm staring at that site now are: Hey, Commander. Thought I might come down to see you today--if they let me. Here's hoping.

Website Link:
http://www.thevine.c...le20120314.aspx 

Roughly halfway down the page on a 1680x1050 screen, full window.

Again, I'm not saying this is 100%, but it's still worth mentioning.

Also found here:
http://www.examiner....nding-the-works

Interesting if true.

[cyrrant]

Sandoo wrote...

It sure seems it's over and they will not release any ending addon/dlc. If they wanted to make one, they could have officialy say : " We are working on one, but such a thing will take time to develop". They didn't even do that...
And while most of you here are still passionate about this, some of us (if not most of the ME fan) will start loosing interest because we simply can't focus our strenght on ME for a month, 3 months, etc ...
Bioware will think they won but in the end, they would simply have lost the respect of many and maybe a few of us (included me) will simply ignore everything related to Bioware.

On a long term, all they'll lose is a few hardore gamers (who are the one that talks the most about Bioware games). Not a big problem for them since EA is doing all they can to seduce casual players.

Right now, it's bioware job to stand still against us. But us, the community, we have jobs, kids to take care and can't focus our life on them. Longer the fight, more chance for Bioware to win.

You don't need to be here 24/7, just make it a point to check in and post when you can.  Let Bioware know that just because you're silent sometimes doesn't mean you don't still care.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[Vap0ur_Snake]

Sandoo wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Hey.... Just checking in to say keep up the good work.

Won't be I. Much tonight as I wanna play KOA as I still haven't yet. Thinking about naming my character 'HOLD THE LINE' though. Also gonna change my gamertag if this persists.

HOLD THE LINE - our choices matter

is KOA an EA game ?
if yes, it would have more impact if you actually didn't play any EA/Bioware game. It would be a problem for them if less and less player are using their games. 

Its published by EA yes. It's written by R.A Salvatore, Todd McFarlane and Ken Rolston though, it's got nothing to with bioware. I know EA are the monsters here but I'm suffering enough boycotting multiplayer and I spent 40 quid on the game and wanna play it. I'm with you guys but I can't boycot everything I enjoy. 

[wheelierdan]

i want to believe but headlines are meant to be a statement of fact not a questionmark. mostly rumors in article form. if they were truly working on it they would love nothing more than to tell us i think

[sabasebatyne]

wheelierdan wrote...

i want to believe but headlines are meant to be a statement of fact not a questionmark. mostly rumors in article form. if they were truly working on it they would love nothing more than to tell us i think

But would they? Or would they view that as "caving" and stick to their guns? At this point, I have to wonder. Food for thought, anyway.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Thank you people for holding the line. As I said my gut says it will be a month or two before EA gets to the point where they tell Bioware to do something but it will happen if we don't give up. i know it is hard but thank you for not giving up.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[PluralAces]

You have to blame EA more than Bioware and remember that EA pulls the strings not Bioware. I'm surprised EA is even letting people from Bioware speak on this. LOL

Think of EA as the Reapers indoctrinating Casey Hudson (the Illusive Man) and Bioware (Cerberus) into thinking this is what the people wanted...it wasnt...

[blurryhunter]

dmath2 wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Hicks233 wrote...

azereus2 wrote...

im serius about this, the only damage control they have to do is fire the writter and then give a full free expansion pack with what ever was planned to be the ending.

Having someone loose their job would be an appaling thing to hope for. When the quality of the product has been high throughout then it becomes a question of what went wrong with the ending, if we weren't satisfied with the product matching its description and advertising otherwise there wouldn't be such a backlash against one particular aspect.

Couldn't agree more. I wouldn't want for anyone to loose his or her about this. Not even Casey or Marc - because apart from that ending, we had some stellar writing and story decisions from both.
They don't deserve so much hate for 1% of an otherwise great game - even if that 1% was so very crucial

stargatefan1990 wrote...

please do not call them the enemy
they have released the most amazing games but most importantly that is a
quote the media could use against us so please edit and Rephrase that

And again, agreed.

Any kind of (passive) agressive behaviour only works against us.
Keep it civil, be polite

Agreed.  And, as someone who has on occasion used words like "enemy", I have a new rule for myself - never post when in the middle of white-hot anger, and review my post very carefully before clicking "submit"...  Holding the line and remaining civil, even if I occasionally find it difficult!

Want to add to this, being a lesson I learned myself over the years. As mentioned, posting in anger tends to backfire. I try to give the issue a day before I voice anything (if I can) and I always try to refrain from making posts at night. Emotions tend to run higher during the evening hours.

When Mass Effect 3's ending finally graced my TV, I had no words. I just sat there staring at the TV. I was a mix of things I couldn't even tell you now, but I'll tell you, with absolute certainty, that had I not given it a night's sleep and a morning's reflection, I'd be in no position to talk about it in any manner befitting of what I've come to expect from myself.

[MDT1]

sabasebatyne wrote...

Also found here:
http://www.examiner....nding-the-works

Interesting if true.

While it might be that they decide now to make an ending dlc, I guess it was never planned.
I guess instead they hoped they could dismiss the claims of those that didn't like it because they expected less people to react that extreme. And well, they tried at first.

Modifié par MDT1, 20 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Emphyr]

Hello liners.
Sorry for my bad english ( i am dutch)

I also want (again) to state that many many many gamers still are not in this line. They are still waiting ( 14 days now) for a fix from Bioware that let them import the face of the shepard they are used to in ME1 and ME2. The majority of them didnt play yet !!!

Because this topic is also on how Bioware responds to there fans...... WELL the fans that were with them from day 1 and bought Me1 and giving Bioware the chance to devellop ME 2 and then Me3 are still in the cold!

It was Chris Priestly from Bioware that gave them all hope in creating a topic that Bioware would look into the Face import Bug and that topic has 60k views and more then 200 lines now.

Ppl there are loosing their patience., They feel betrayed by Bioware espacially because they think (me included ) that there is no way the Beta test team could have missed this Bug.

Let all off you that could play the game and do not agreee with the endings also think on this HUGE group of old time ME1 ME2 players that STILL are not able to play ME3 with the Commander Shepard they are used to play with.

Please sympathize with all that Shepards also!

And still NO WORD at all from Bioware about this since the opening of that topic 14 days ago.

This does really upset many many many many of them ( Including me)

Personally in no way Bioware can defend this in my opinion! Its the group ME1 players from day 1 of Me1 that all are having problems now...

Bioware could at least update them and apologize!

Now dont say well play a default shep.. I did that.. It was not fun at all.
Nicole Shepard is a level 50 in me 1 and Level 30 in Me 2 Adept! and it is she that must do Me3. Not a default complete stranger!

and PS Bioware gave us a fan made solution , but that doesnt work on a majority of the faces that should be able to be imported in ME 3.

The way Bioware is now supporting this group just is ......... ( i better not type any further)



Nicole holds the line!

Modifié par Emphyr, 20 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[cyrrant]

Beti88 wrote...

I just want something new info. Anything that would give a boost. Boost to my hope or my anger, doesn't matter. Somebody say something! Did any letters arreived at all?

I'll give you a boost:

EA/Bioware's PR LOVES the statement you just made.  They want your resolve to flag and for you to become so disillusioned that you stop posting here and making a fuss about the endings so they can go on their merry way.  Don't let them handle you like that.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[Keridwen]

Greetings from Germany,
A lot of people here are as unsatisfied as you are about the choices and decisions we had to make and all the plot holes throughout the end, but I think the more we complain about, the more they are “sitting it out”. Just complaining about isn`t enough. They don`t need to respond or chance anything because they already got a hell of a lot of our money just by buying ME3.

A boycott of the Multiplayer would also change nothing (in my opinion). We already payed for it, and if nobody plays it, they don`t even have to maintain their servers, or think about any improvements there and they can spend their resources and personal on something like SWTOR or whatever they work on else .

My way of expressing my feelings about the “END” is:
The next money I will spend on any EA/BW product what so ever will be on ME4 if it starts where this one ends and explains all the mess they left us with. I read something about ME3 will be the end of the “Sheppard-Story” but not the end of Mass Effect. So maybe there will be a ME4 without Sheppard, but millions of stranded aliens across the galaxy…

or on an DLC-ending we all can live with. No more Bioware-Points, no other DLC`s no other EA- games.
I think that`s the only way we can really change something here.

[PluralAces]

As of right now, I can say they are not working on an ending, nor will they ever do so until EA caves and tells Bioware to fix this.