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EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode *UPDATED 3/22/12, 5:28 PM UTC/GMT -4 hours*


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Avarenda

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humes spork wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I think we all know that the "self selecting poll" bit was very misleading but as one who couldn't argue it on a factual level would you people able to easily explain how accurate it most likely is?  Because yesterday they went from throwing the polls in our faces to telling us to actually make polls.


I'm not a mathematician and I'm no professional pollster; the most exposure I have to it is the handful of methodology and statistics classes I had to suffer through for my political science degree. The gist is, even in the case of the most egregious push polling, the more responses you get the more representative it will be of actual popular opinion.

But to put it into perspective, that poll only needed in the neighborhood of 16,000 responses to be 99% sure the results would in fact be within 1% of the actual opinion. That's a level of statistical rigor nobody applies to opinion polling. Using the level of rigor applied by professional pollsters, it needed 1,000 responses to be 95% sure the results would be within 3% of the actual opinion.


Ohhh, very enlightening for those of us who have no statistics education at all. Thanks for sharing.

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PeterG1 wrote...

This is a great thread, one that's kept my attention and had me reading all 26 or so pages. Thanks for the insight. I worked production for a large media company in Chicago and I too saw the workings of a PR department that had to consistently work with criticism from consumers and critics alike (even their very own employees! Can you believe that?).

Although I'm no expert on the details, it's great to see Atghunger's perspective and analysis.

If I can add one note, though: I honestly believe that Mr. Hudson is being completely honest with his own passion and high regard for both the development he led and the product he created. The words he writes about him and his team are completely true and his opinion of the game is honest. Yes I'm sure it was edited and factchecked by EA's PR group and that's probably necessary for the company to cover their own tracks because they're still not sure which direction they're going to move. But I appreciate the honest tone and continued love for a franchise that we all (and we do all share this) are very passionate about.



I don't know about love for the franchise, what i do know is that parts of the game, especially the ending, seems like half cooked.

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Hold the line!

Again... great article!~

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The game had issues but the story carried it...

The ending RUINED the story and what you have is one ending, MASS DEVASTATION in different colors. On top of it, no closure for your companions, other than the few on the Normandy who will die alone stranded. So what is their to be happy about? The massive famine incoming to kill off everyone else?

At this point I would rather ignore the Reapers and live the rest of my life with Tali before the reapers showed up. Everyone will die anyways so I might as well enjoyed what little of it that I have.

The game in it's current form is a failure. Luckily it can still be salvaged.

Holding the line!

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There's a link to here from the Facebook page now. Hopefully we can keep the Line well-informed so they don't fall for any "faux olive branches".

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XJ347 wrote...

The game had issues but the story carried it...

The ending RUINED the story and what you have is one ending, MASS DEVASTATION in different colors. On top of it, no closure for your companions, other than the few on the Normandy who will die alone stranded. So what is their to be happy about? The massive famine incoming to kill off everyone else?

At this point I would rather ignore the Reapers and live the rest of my life with Tali before the reapers showed up. Everyone will die anyways so I might as well enjoyed what little of it that I have.

The game in it's current form is a failure. Luckily it can still be salvaged.

Holding the line!


I lol'd cuz it was Punny.

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Bump! Hold the line!

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Wow, very interesting read. Thanks for that and keep it up everybody.

Holding the line!

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also shamelessly holding the line!

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Copying and saving the first post for future reference. And reposting if needed.

Line holding will continue.

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XJ347 wrote...

The game had issues but the story carried it...

The ending RUINED the story and what you have is one ending, MASS DEVASTATION in different colors. On top of it, no closure for your companions, other than the few on the Normandy who will die alone stranded. So what is their to be happy about? The massive famine incoming to kill off everyone else?

At this point I would rather ignore the Reapers and live the rest of my life with Tali before the reapers showed up. Everyone will die anyways so I might as well enjoyed what little of it that I have.

The game in it's current form is a failure. Luckily it can still be salvaged.

Holding the line!



Agreed. Aint no way in hell Joker and Samantha will be able to repopulate jungle planet. 

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I don't always post on the BSN....when I do its to...


HOLD THE LINE.

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humes spork wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I think we all know that the "self selecting poll" bit was very misleading but as one who couldn't argue it on a factual level would you people able to easily explain how accurate it most likely is?  Because yesterday they went from throwing the polls in our faces to telling us to actually make polls.


I'm not a mathematician and I'm no professional pollster; the most exposure I have to it is the handful of methodology and statistics classes I had to suffer through for my political science degree. The gist is, even in the case of the most egregious push polling, the more responses you get the more representative it will be of actual popular opinion. I am really, really, really oversimplifying here, because the calculus you need to do to account for sampling error and various biases is not something I remember, and if I did it's not something I'd do at 2 am on Friday night...

...but to put it into perspective, that poll only needed in the neighborhood of 16,000 responses to be 99% sure the results would in fact be within 1% of the actual opinion. That's a level of statistical rigor nobody applies to opinion polling. Using the level of rigor applied by professional pollsters, it needed 1,000 responses to be 95% sure the results would be within 3% of the actual opinion.


Thank you very much!  Simple is good, simple we can understand.  I think we all knew that instinctively but lack some of the facts and terminology to back it up.  So thanks!

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cyrrant wrote...

There's a link to here from the Facebook page now. Hopefully we can keep the Line well-informed so they don't fall for any "faux olive branches".


Do you think we could also get this linked to whoever is running the Retake Mass Effect twitter page?

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This is exactly what ive been fighting for. Nice to see it worded out intelligently and from someone with expertise in the matter.

EA and Bioware need to feel the disappointment that we all felt, and if that alone doesnt inspire them to act then may that disappointment ripple across the entire gaming community to the point that it shakes down their sales and the very reputation of Bioware. HOLD THE LINE!

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This reply is little more than a "bump" to keep this post at the forefront of the Forums so the most possible people can read this.

Also, I would like to thank the person who posted this, I'ts great to have an insight onto how Bioware is operating right now. The RetakeME3 movement needs all the help we can get

HOLD THE LINE!

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I think we might be doing some nasty damage to their PR guys.

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Greetings all,
 
I promise some individual answers (working my way forward from page 18 atm) and my wife thanks you all for letting me have dinner. But first, a take on the latest Bioware maneuvers from a PR perspective.
 
First, I’ve never met Ms. Merizan personally, but I’ve read some of her tweets and find her to be an engaging and personable individual online. She is a PR guys dream because I believe she genuinely has empathy for the players and it shows.
 
That said, please remember that she (like everyone else in this storm at Bioware is saying nothing more than they are being told/authorized to say).
 
So on to the post. Of course, we’ve covered the whole churning things out on Friday night to avoid the news cycle under Mr. Hudson’s post. Standard Operating Procedure there. However, the tenor of Ms. Merizan's post is much better than what we’ve been seeing in the last 24 hours. Moreover, it is simply less of a CYA publicity statement acknowledging a situation but minimalizing the problem. Notice she drops the pretense of “most people love this but a few people may disagree” and heads straight into a quasi “throat exposure” by saying:
 
In order for a collaboration between the devs and the fans to work, I need you guys to CONTINUE being constructive, and organizing your thoughts. I know where to look, but I need you to help me by contributing to the dialogue.”
 
It is a direct communication to the offended customers. No promise of change to be sure, but probably the first genuine offer to discuss this issue in terms of possible collaboration vs. discussion/explanation. It won’t make the news b/c of Mr. Hudson’s statement issued shortly before as a media "screen" (though honestly, this was probably the intended message the PR guys want us to have all along). 
 
As I mentioned before, once you gain acknowledgement, you have taken the first step in a PR campaign towards a compromise. Lots of road ahead, but to that end, well done.
 
Also take that Ms. Merizan acknowledges the positive aspect of the RetakeME3 movement. From a PR standpoint, it’s like acknowledging the people you are presently struggling with actually have virtue. You’re not saying they are right, but you aren’t simply acknowledging their presence either. Mind you this can also be a gambit to 1) deflect (as we’ve previously discussed) or 2) to enrage (i.e. hope that the players will refuse to communicate and thus be seen as unreasonable at this overture). Best PR counter response: strength, civility, a touch of wariness and loads of conviction.
 
The only troubling thing I can see is the collecting feedback data for “weeks” comment when the game went into full release only about 12 days ago, but I’m guessing that was possibly a PR guy’s oversight who assumed (based on the historical curve of these kind of things) that this matter has devolved in a much longer time that has actually elapsed. But it is equally possible she has been keeping track as well.  Still doesn’t detract from the tone of the message. 
 
Much less deflection, a bit more acknowledgement. If it hasn’t become clear, these fights (and make no mistake, they are fights be it abet civil ones) are of move and counter-move. 
 
Continue to make your voices heard. Give them the concise arguments I’ve read on this forum a hundred times (regardless of your side). This is a game of choices, and call me an old optimist, but I have to believe there is enough room on my hard drive for some endings for both the producers and we consumers. Continue to post respectfully, but with the passion and conviction that inspires an old gamer like me. If you do, and this ultimately turns out to be a deflection, it is a dangerous one for EA/Bioware.
 
Here's why. One of the greatest lessons of PR is don’t offer to negotiate, unless you mean it. Doing so and ultimately being outed is called “Brokering Solutions but Delivering Stonewalls”. Not to be melodramatic, when I did this work, we called it something else…
 
Sudden Death  

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GunMoth wrote...

XJ347 wrote...

The game had issues but the story carried it...

The ending RUINED the story and what you have is one ending, MASS DEVASTATION in different colors. On top of it, no closure for your companions, other than the few on the Normandy who will die alone stranded. So what is their to be happy about? The massive famine incoming to kill off everyone else?

At this point I would rather ignore the Reapers and live the rest of my life with Tali before the reapers showed up. Everyone will die anyways so I might as well enjoyed what little of it that I have.

The game in it's current form is a failure. Luckily it can still be salvaged.

Holding the line!



Agreed. Aint no way in hell Joker and Samantha will be able to repopulate jungle planet. 

Joker'd break a hip:whistle:. Seriously, I have no idea what he was thinking hooking up witha woman MADE OF METAL.

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The more we learn, the more it's clear that we're making progress here =D

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Avarenda wrote...

Ohhh, very enlightening for those of us who have no statistics education at all. Thanks for sharing.


That is assuming a non biased question asked of a random sampling. When selection bias (i.e. asking the question the BSN, where it is likely to attract people predisposed to one answer or another, or people with one particular opinion is likely to seek it out and voluntarily answer) creeps in, confidence in the poll plummets but on the other hand a sample size of 50,000 is past the point the large of large numbers kind of steps up and tells the confidence level to STFU and GBTW if you know what I mean.

You don't even need 50,000 responses to accurately gauge the entire population of Earth's opinion on a given issue.

Modifié par humes spork, 17 mars 2012 - 06:05 .


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Another non-committal statement... Bah, hold the line!

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Doublespeak in video game PR. Goodness, I'm getting old. Extraordinarily fascinating introduction to public relations techniques. Keep up the updates.

I also put ME3 on the shelf after I finished it. I'll give them a few weeks to respond, then I'm loaning it out, free of charge, to any of my friends who want to play it. Since they will only need to play it once, I imagine I can save all of my gamer friends some money. Make me want to keep it, Bioware.

I will hold the line.

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I'm going to repeat myself for emphasis and go about my business (for real, HA).

If this thread is going to be about spotting PR tricks and trying to work around them...

They're giving vague reassurances and threads where they solicit "opinions" to make it seem like they're doing something.

One of the best ways to help "defeat" Bioware/EA on this is to ask them specifics. Ask them, coding-wise, what they can and cannot change. What we can realistically ask them to change. Where during the end sequence? How hard will it be to change these things? How long will it take? Will it be VA'd or not? Will it be free? Stuff like that.

It'll show you mean business, are going to think this through, will have realistic and doable expectations-- which will pin them down, since they can't claim the expectations or suggestions are unrealistic from a coding or practical standpoint.

Oh and harp on it. Repeatedly. Just do it politely. Keep demanding specifics. Politely.

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Hold the line, we are close to victory!