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EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode *UPDATED 3/22/12, 5:28 PM UTC/GMT -4 hours*


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#6826
Darkeus

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johhnytrash wrote...

Salyut wrote...


74%? That's gotta hurt. We'd better get a statement soon, because it looks like this situation keeps getting worse for BioWare and EA.


EA is not hurting, they own the top 4 games on that list. Bioware is hurting, but EA is fine.


Bioware is EA these days.  They are not seperate entities.  EA owns Bioware.  You are correct in saying that EA is probably not hurting, but let us be fair.  They sure as hell were not counting on a 74% drop in sales to happen.  In fact, I am sure of it.

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The Almighty Ali wrote...

Seems some of you need some inspiration.
Though make you you don't get burned out, watch a movie and do something to take your mind off this for some hours, then you'll soon be back fit for fight again.
Can only provide this for now though.



Simply amazing, had to drag the window over to the 47" screen and switch the audio to the Home theater.
This guy definately nailed it. 

Must Watch

#6828
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johhnytrash wrote...

Salyut wrote...


74%? That's gotta hurt. We'd better get a statement soon, because it looks like this situation keeps getting worse for BioWare and EA.


EA is not hurting, they own the top 4 games on that list. Bioware is hurting, but EA is fine.


EA has been hurting for the last 5 years. They're still paying insane amounts of money for licensing rights to a bunch of games, as well as exclusivity rights though I'm not sure they're losing money in those cases.

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Darkeus wrote...

johhnytrash wrote...

Salyut wrote...


74%? That's gotta hurt. We'd better get a statement soon, because it looks like this situation keeps getting worse for BioWare and EA.


EA is not hurting, they own the top 4 games on that list. Bioware is hurting, but EA is fine.


Bioware is EA these days.  They are not seperate entities.  EA owns Bioware.  You are correct in saying that EA is probably not hurting, but let us be fair.  They sure as hell were not counting on a 74% drop in sales to happen.  In fact, I am sure of it.


74% drop in sales? Where did you see that?

#6830
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Oops we almost went off the frontpage...

How Come ?

#6831
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ahandsomeshark wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

johhnytrash wrote...

Salyut wrote...


74%? That's gotta hurt. We'd better get a statement soon, because it looks like this situation keeps getting worse for BioWare and EA.


EA is not hurting, they own the top 4 games on that list. Bioware is hurting, but EA is fine.


Bioware is EA these days.  They are not seperate entities.  EA owns Bioware.  You are correct in saying that EA is probably not hurting, but let us be fair.  They sure as hell were not counting on a 74% drop in sales to happen.  In fact, I am sure of it.


74% drop in sales? Where did you see that?


I linked it on the page before.  UK sales list and article.  I can link it again....

www.videogamer.com/xbox360/fifa_street/news/uk_video_game_chart_fifa_street_scores_a_no_1.html

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Emphyr wrote...

Oops we almost went off the frontpage...

How Come ?

We always come back don't worry.

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Finally Closure



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Modifié par Baldurs Gate, 20 mars 2012 - 06:58 .


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First time posting here. In fact, I rarely post on any forum. But I think this is worth it.

I have not seen any of the endings in ME3, but I know enough about them that I won't like any of them. What I think is worst about them, is that your previous choices apparently don't really matter. In a series where choices and their consequences have an important part, this is just unacceptable. I have done my darnest since I started ME1 to make sure that when the final battle comes, I am as ready as possible. My whole squad survived the attack on collector base and I have done every mission that i just could find. That's why I stopped playing after Rannoch, because it was just so frustrating to think that the peace I made between the two races and Legions sacrifice won't make a difference, as won't the things that happened before.

Hold the line.

Sorry for possible typos or other mistakes, I'm not a native english speaker.

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Hold the line! After DA:O Awakening, Dragon Age 2, and now the disappointment that is the last 1% of ME3; Bioware has gone on my do not pre-order list beside Activision. Should have known EA would start them on their inevitable downfall. Too bad about Origin, as that means no Steam sales.

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awwnuts07 wrote...

http://www.fmvmagazine.com/?p=6565

Not sure if this has already been posted. But spread the word. Good PR for the Line


Nice article thnx for the link!

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Perddyy wrote...

First time posting here. In fact, I rarely post on any forum. But I think this is worth it.

I have not seen any of the endings in ME3, but I know enough about them that I won't like any of them. What I think is worst about them, is that your previous choices apparently don't really matter. In a series where choices and their consequences have an important part, this is just unacceptable. I have done my darnest since I started ME1 to make sure that when the final battle comes, I am as ready as possible. My whole squad survived the attack on collector base and I have done every mission that i just could find. That's why I stopped playing after Rannoch, because it was just so frustrating to think that the peace I made between the two races and Legions sacrifice won't make a difference, as won't the things that happened before.

Hold the line.

Sorry for possible typos or other mistakes, I'm not a native english speaker.


I encourage you to finish the game anyways. Some people apparently like the endings. And even if you hate it, you'll be able to intelligently direct your disappointment in the conclusion.

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Please hear me out.

Going in I was expecting 2 ending choices like we usually get--instead we got 3. Granted I don't think the synthesis one makes much sense given it's lack of exposition, but alas--we have 3.

Control- I see nothing wrong with a control option--as it allows Shepard to save his beloved allies the Geth and EDI. A bittersweet ending for Shepard to be sure, but fitting since in this option Reaper tech is not all destroyed. Sucks for Shep, but life goes on better than before. In a way -this is the Paragon option.

Synthesis- I can go crazy debating this option--leave it, but explain it better in dialogue.

Destroy- This is what we all were expecting. Only we didn't necessarily see that all Reaper tech would get destroyed. We need to know more on what will be destroyed. Other than that I could live with it. If EDI and the Geth die then it is renegade to say the least. Why does Shep get to live in this option as well-doesn't Shepard have Reaper tech in himself?

So, basically the largest sticking point is the Relays themselves. Even if the relays need to blow up is it feasible that 2 relays can transport themselves to another relay since they would have nearly matching mass? The Citadel and Sol relay are near each other so they could start a chain reaction that ends up transporting all the relays to a section of space with little to no intelligent life; and blow up there? I ask because in a patch couldn't Shepard advise the Alliance species to go back to their home worlds through the relays, and then initiate the relay transport and destruction? This would leave a little mystery, but make Shepard a responsible individual that doesn't doom millions of people.... A little clarity could be added with a few extra scenes, and dialogue. Short epilogues could be added via text ala DA:O. Any future missions or Shep adventures could be done through paid DLC.

If the Relays could transport themselves somehow before exploding I think a large portion of the debates would be mooted. Shepard could die, shepard could live, shepard could be changed...without dooming the Alliance races/species to death in nearly every option. BW wanted to leave a little mystery which is fine, but the Catalyst needs to expalin a bit more about consequences and more about itself IMO. I don't need a medal ceremony...I just need more explanation. I'm sure this leaves plenty of issues with the ME lore itself, but may alleviate some of the problems without rewriting the ending completely.

So I guess the question is--can the Mass Relays transport themselves theoretically--or could they shut down and fry themselves without blowing up?

So would a patch like this be workable rather than DLC?

#6839
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The Almighty Ali wrote...

Seems some of you need some inspiration.
Though make you you don't get burned out, watch a movie and do something to take your mind off this for some hours, then you'll soon be back fit for fight again.
Can only provide this for now though.



Amazing Video! 
must be added in posting nr 1.

I watched it 3 times!

#6840
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awwnuts07 wrote...

http://www.fmvmagazine.com/?p=6565

Not sure if this has already been posted. But spread the word. Good PR for the Line


Well, that's a great review... LOL, nailed it.

My sentiments exactly...

#6841
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blurryhunter wrote...

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@bluryhunter

There is more to these endings that originally believed, because Shepard was indoctrinated. Nothing makes ANY sense otherwise.


My only real issue with the Theory is that it gives BioWare an escape point in the event they really did do something wrong.

Excuse paranoia here, but if they amended the ending to Mass Effect 3, proving the Indoctrination Theory, how will anyone know if they did it because it was what they planned, or because it they saw it as a convienent means to make it look as if they'd planned it all along? You can't know unless they go out and say something. That's what bothers me.

On one side, they're right, and praised for it. On the other hand, their wrong, but praised for being right, because no one is the wiser.

Don't mistake me, I don't hate BioWare, but when you make mistakes, you should take responsibility for them, one way or the other. If for no other reason than for the fact that if they get away with it now, they may try to get away with it later, and eventually, it won't work, depriving the industry of a developer that could possibly learn from their mistakes and be the better for it.

I don't want to see BioWare become the next in a growing list of 'loved them yesterday, hate them today' developers. BioWare has produced some amazing work. The Mass Effect series alone practically defining, for me at any rate, what it means to have a game transcend into an experience. This is, at worst, a lie, at best, a misunderstanding. Neither of which needs to damn them for eternity if the table is played right. That means acknowledging, learning, and correcting mistakes.


Agreed. I've said this from day one. Man up. Admit that while you have every right to tell the story any way you want , it was also a huge dissapointment to the fans. Speaking for myself, it feels like a betrayl, to end the story this way.
Just talk to us like people and quit hiding behind PR speak. Until they fix this they won't get a dime, out of me.

#6842
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I've been seeing claims that certain outlets for the game are offering refunds. Gotta ask, how much more is it gonna take for the PR department to see that their tactics are outdated and futile against social media and that they can't keep people quite. Refunds are NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS, get it through the bubble. Maybe the PR guys should refund Bioware because they are doing a p***poor job.

Modifié par x-Killision-X, 20 mars 2012 - 07:08 .


#6843
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InsaneNarwhal wrote...

Perddyy wrote...

First time posting here. In fact, I rarely post on any forum. But I think this is worth it.

I have not seen any of the endings in ME3, but I know enough about them that I won't like any of them. What I think is worst about them, is that your previous choices apparently don't really matter. In a series where choices and their consequences have an important part, this is just unacceptable. I have done my darnest since I started ME1 to make sure that when the final battle comes, I am as ready as possible. My whole squad survived the attack on collector base and I have done every mission that i just could find. That's why I stopped playing after Rannoch, because it was just so frustrating to think that the peace I made between the two races and Legions sacrifice won't make a difference, as won't the things that happened before.

Hold the line.

Sorry for possible typos or other mistakes, I'm not a native english speaker.


I encourage you to finish the game anyways. Some people apparently like the endings. And even if you hate it, you'll be able to intelligently direct your disappointment in the conclusion.


I'm going to finish the game eventually. Just need to gather some willpower to do it, because I know I'll be disappointed. My intention to not spoil myself about the plot didn't really work out as planned :/

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What i find interesting about this situation is that i have never posted on a video game forum before. I have never felt the need. This is the first time that i HAD to say something, about a past time that i enjoy so much, this ending left me so empty that i NEEDED to make sure someone else felt the way i did, that someone was as confused and angry like i was(and still am). I am very amazed at the amount of thought and care put into all of your posts, i am proud to say i am a gamer because of people like you, very proud. Continue to post wonderful and thought provoking entries and i will continue to come back and read more.

HOLD THE LINE!!

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This came out today by BBC News, which is great news to us,
and might also further the donations to child's play.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719


Hold the line.

Modifié par DannieCraft, 20 mars 2012 - 07:08 .


#6846
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I translated some of the posts of atghunter into German and posted them in a German ME-Forum.

http://www.globalgam...

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So the Facebook page is over 47,000 people now.... That is quite an accomplishment!

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I have been trying to replay the game, but I wind up losing interest after an 20 or 30 minutes, then just force myself to finish whatever mission I'm on before stopping. There's just no motivation or replayability for me knowing how unsatisfying and pointless the ending winds up being. I just can't handle the nonsense.

More on thread topic, I appreciate the breaking down of the PR spins by the OP and the person they're quoting. It's an interesting read and helps people keep aware of just how EA/Bioware is currently trying to spin things.

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Wildhide wrote...

I have been trying to replay the game, but I wind up losing interest after an 20 or 30 minutes, then just force myself to finish whatever mission I'm on before stopping. There's just no motivation or replayability for me knowing how unsatisfying and pointless the ending winds up being. I just can't handle the nonsense.

More on thread topic, I appreciate the breaking down of the PR spins by the OP and the person they're quoting. It's an interesting read and helps people keep aware of just how EA/Bioware is currently trying to spin things.


I haven't been able to fire up the PS3 for any games lately. I just find myself back here following the news and cheering people on.

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Copy of my second letter to BioWare and general sense of how I feel. Keep at it folks, don't give in.

Dear BioWare,
 
I tried to contact you last week, but in regards to a lot of important issues
seemingly being up in the air right now, I wanted to reiterate a few things.

 
First of all, I want to make it clear that there is no malice or ill will
here - only disappointment, and a desire to see things made right. My history
with BioWare has been that of what I would call an invested fan. I have felt
that way from the days of Baldurs Gate through NWN, KotOR, Jade Empire, The ME
series, Dragon Age, SW:ToR – you name it, I played it. It was a history where,
if BioWare developed a game or created an IP, that was enough for me to know
that it would be good.
 
So I bought your games. I told my friends to give your releases a try. I
defended you against those who would doubt you during the EA purchase
announcement in the wake of ME1 and felt that if one company could avoid being
dismantled by an extensive corporate machine with an apparent history of taking
previously solid developers apart, you guys were it. And things seemed good.
ME2 was great. DA:O was great. The first real disappointment was DA2, but I
didn’t have a solid emotional investment in that game, so I didn’t say
anything.
 
But that’s not the case now. Mass Effect is an important game series to
me – I consider myself invested in it, and so it matters to me what happens to
it. And the current ending of Mass Effect 3 does not seem to live up to the
quality the three games leading up to it have established. It also doesn’t live
up to statements BioWare staff have made about what to expect. Some statements
even seem to be direct opposites of what the current ending actually is. It
feels out of joint with the rest of the trilogy, as if it were developed in
isolation.
 
So, I am deeply disappointed you would let it end this way. I ask
therefore, as a long-time fan, supporter and consumer of your products, that you
would please develop and release an updated and expanded ending, that is more in
line with the spirit of the trilogy, and more in line with what your pre-release
statements seemed to suggest. There are myriads of suggestions and theories
about the ending floating around and I won’t throw in a lot of details here, but
I’ll add my voice to the much-repeated belief that if you read the text posted
at http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125 you
will find it illustrates the spirit, feeling and general sense of an ending I personally
would want to see.
 
 
Sincerely,
XX