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[DoctorCrowtgamer]

dfstone wrote...

"We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out," reads the statement. "At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending."

BioWare considering changing Mass Effect 3 ending

Just more spin.  They have lied to us so many times why should this be different.  Hold the line until new endings DLC is released.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar.../user_group.php

Thank you for your time.

[Salyut]

shephard987 wrote...

Guys, it has come to my attention that Ken Levine is sad over this
fan outcry that is us.
Here is the link to the article.
After finishing reading that article, I sent Mr. Levine our official mission statement,
our reasons for organizing this movement and also a rational dissection of the endings
which are in question.
Please send letters or messages explaining our rationale behind our reasons,
as Mr. Levine is probably one of the most creative minds of the present day,
and if we show him the reason,
I hope we can alleviate his discontent with the situation.

http://www.theverge....-ken-levine-sad

Thank you.

Hold the Line

Perhaps someone should send Mr. Levine a list of quotes of all those broken promises regarding the endings. <_<

If BioWare wants to make a game completely according to their own artistic vision, that's fine by me. It's indefensible, however, that they intentionally deceive people about the content of said "artistic vision" so they can sell it even to people who wouldn't be interested in it if they knew the truth. You don't market a romance novel as a murder mystery and you don't market a fixed ending as a set of wildly diverse endings.

[InsaneNarwhal]

I've seen a lot of stuff about games as art, and why the fans demanding a change somehow cheapens that art. My personal opinion on that matter is that a lot of artists that actually get paid work on commission. They make a work for someone basically the way the patron wanted it. Artists that ignore the consumers are still welcome to make all the art they want, but if that is their career, they will go hungry.

Modifié par InsaneNarwhal, 20 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[Arcite550]

Working in the military for 2 years now, I have seen a few individuals who would have talent but threw it to the wind for stupid choices. They now serve as cautionary tales among people at my base.... dont let this happen to you BioWare... you have such great talent in your pool of employees.

Think about the long run when/if you do fix this you will be uplifted by the loyal fanbase. While there will still be some fans that are upset and dont support you still a majority of this "Army" that holds the line will be yours. On top of that if you do not end up doing anything here... peoples livelihoods are at stake as well. If your company suffers a massive blow from this and you are not able to support all your workers thats more people who are unemployed. Saying that they worked on the ME trilogy should be a crowning jewel for any resume but this is turning it into taboo.

[Emphyr]

It is just in my mind... and it is funny and i have a lot of fun about it!
The fanbase of BW in this topic is capable to get the most important news, reviews, websites,

FASTER then the BW/EA Damage control teams can

So Damage Control team(s) you should thank  all who contribute in this topic for giving you so much information.

Take Care.

Modifié par Emphyr, 20 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Simzyy]

Come on BioWare, give all your loyal fans what they want

[Ksandor]

dfstone wrote...

"We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out," reads the statement. "At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending."

BioWare considering changing Mass Effect 3 ending

This does not mean that they will change it. Do not read too much in this smoke screen. They say it: They did not say that they will change it.

[arg0s5]

shephard987 wrote...

Guys, it has come to my attention that Ken Levine is sad over this
fan outcry that is us.
Here is the link to the article.
After finishing reading that article, I sent Mr. Levine our official mission statement,
our reasons for organizing this movement and also a rational dissection of the endings
which are in question.
Please send letters or messages explaining our rationale behind our reasons,
as Mr. Levine is probably one of the most creative minds of the present day,
and if we show him the reason,
I hope we can alleviate his discontent with the situation.

http://www.theverge....-ken-levine-sad

Thank you.

Hold the Line

The problem with Mr. Levine's statement, is that he's not admitting there is a disconnect between the endings and the sequence of the rest of the Mass Effect trilogy. In honesty, the fans want the ending to connect. Instead, we got Deus Ex Machina choices that were used to end the series without much need to tie up the loose ends. There's ways to make most people pissed about an endings... and there's people who can just render it as mediocre ending.

Then again, this is assuming Mr. Levine has played the Mass Effect trilogy.

[Eleinehmm]

The Almighty Ali wrote...
Welcome.
It's nice to meet one of the silent majority, don't worry I understand why many remain silent and I don't hold it against them.
That said I do hope you won't shy from mentioning to others who feel the same way as you do, friends, family and whatnot that we're here. We don't expect you or them to be active in the forums, although you are more then welcome to do so if you wish, on facebook or twitter but a simple "like" would support more then one would think.
We're far from a minority but we can always use more that show they support us and what we're trying to do.

This pat on the shoulder from you, it helps us keep it onwards.
And we appriciate it. :happy:

Another one from the silent majority.
I don't use facebook or twitter so can't help you here, sorry.  I am a fan of Transhumanism, but in case of ME3 it just didn't make any sense.  They broke the stylistic and story consistency and it isn't good.

[wheelierdan]

arg0s5 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

Guys, it has come to my attention that Ken Levine is sad over this
fan outcry that is us.
Here is the link to the article.
After finishing reading that article, I sent Mr. Levine our official mission statement,
our reasons for organizing this movement and also a rational dissection of the endings
which are in question.
Please send letters or messages explaining our rationale behind our reasons,
as Mr. Levine is probably one of the most creative minds of the present day,
and if we show him the reason,
I hope we can alleviate his discontent with the situation.

http://www.theverge....-ken-levine-sad

Thank you.

Hold the Line

The problem with Mr. Levine's statement, is that he's not admitting there is a disconnect between the endings and the sequence of the rest of the Mass Effect trilogy. In honesty, the fans want the ending to connect. Instead, we got Deus Ex Machina choices that were used to end the series without much need to tie up the loose ends. There's ways to make most people pissed about an endings... and there's people who can just render it as mediocre ending.

Then again, this is assuming Mr. Levine has played the Mass Effect trilogy.

right its not that we want to change biowares ending, its that we didnt get biowares ending.

[Mallissin]

Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but the BBC did an article on the Ending Controversy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

And I might add, they pronounced controversy wrong.

That was a British joke.

Modifié par Mallissin, 20 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[Legion swe]

Im holding the line

[oneword]

It saddens me that journalists and generally outside people picture this movement as a rage of mentally unstable fanboys, who think they are in position to demand anything. This isn't 10 persons cry. There's a lot of us- disappointed fans, are we all wrong thinking this game deserves better? Our choices [should] matter - that's what you were telling us Bioware from the very beginning!

[wheelierdan]

if they hadn't set us up saying we are all coauthors to the story there is no cannon. there wont be an a b c ending, that endings will be wildly different... i want THAT ending.

[shephard987]

arg0s5 wrote...

The problem with Mr. Levine's statement, is that he's not admitting there is a disconnect between the endings and the sequence of the rest of the Mass Effect trilogy. In honesty, the fans want the ending to connect. Instead, we got Deus Ex Machina choices that were used to end the series without much need to tie up the loose ends. There's ways to make most people pissed about an endings... and there's people who can just render it as mediocre ending.

Then again, this is assuming Mr. Levine has played the Mass Effect trilogy.

Whether or not he has finished the game, it falls on us to show people our reasoning.
Nothing will ever get done if we don't spread the word. 
OTHER than what is written here in the forums.
Please share our thoughts with the media as much as you can.
I already sent my response to Mr. Levine's discontent 
and shown civility all throughout the letter.
Do the same. 
Show everyone we're not whiny babies who want attention.

Hold the Line

[Relicness]

Join the chat everyone! We're talking about ME3 and the Retake Mass Effect movement. Join and discuss your thoughts:
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Chat

Modifié par Relicness, 20 mars 2012 - 08:05 .

[Pandoravv3]

Drasoini wrote...

The less I play of Mass Effect 3, the less I want to return. This particular age of gaming moves rapidly. Much more so then the one I started in (NES era). The desire to return to Mass Effect and by extension, Bioware, rapidly diminishes the more I hear nothing from them. Make a concrete statement. Tell us to go stuff it if that's the plan, or tell us 'Yes, we rushed it, we were trying to make our Q1 goals' or anything besides 'We are listening'. I'm happily putting together a Pathfinder campaign now. Spending hundreds of dollars on books that I had been reserving for Mass Effect DLC and DA3 as well as other games.

Hold the Line folks. This guy is getting close to washing his hands of the situation and becoming a former customer rather than a disgruntled customer.

I agree, their tactics are from an old playbook before the age of social networking, and ample choice. waiting us out won't help. Even if they do wait us out, that'a a terrible thing for bioware, as when people give up, they don't just give up on the ending, and go back to playing ME3 normally, they give up on the game completely. And now that the trust is gone, since they have other choices from bioware games, they will in the future pick those. They keep feeding us the wait for more people to finish the game, but at this point, sales are slumping, and word of mouth is incredibly terrible. It's amazing walking around, and even people on the street are talking about how terrible they are. It's not jsut the retake movement spreading bad word of mouth, the average gamer hates it as much as we do, and while they might not be as active in the community as retake, they are still talking to freinds, and hurting bioware as much as we are. They need to do something fast, because they are looking at the death of this movement as a good sign, but IF it does die, there goes all of biowares loyal customers, and trust. Hell the ending has become such a huge joke that even people in the non gaming circles are starting to talk about it (just heard my finace talk about the terrible endings, and she hasn't even played the games). If they don't fix it, they will never live it down, and that will be the end of bioware. because unlike in ME, space magic doesn't fix things they don't want to deal with in real life.

Hold the line

P.S. - How does one get one of those snazzy retake banners, I never really used game forums untill this problem.

[rfrombrazil]

oneword wrote...

It saddens me that journalists and generally outside people picture this movement as a rage of mentally unstable fanboys, who think they are in position to demand anything. This isn't 10 persons cry. There's a lot of us- disappointed fans, are we all wrong thinking this game deserves better? Our choices [should] matter - that's what you were telling us Bioware from the very beginning!

seen it once, seen it twice.

once EA stood against FauxNews approach to journalism with the ME1 debacle. 

Now it takes part into that same kind of tactics, or nobody else here remember FauxNews calling the OWS movement "a bunch of entitled children"? 

What would you know, huh...

[kieranr61]

The endings destroyed everything the Mass Effect series stood for over the past 5 years (and 150+ hours of my life). Those hours of my life and the long, immersing story of ridiculously large proportions were tersely wrapped up in 3 non-interactive, identical cut-scenes lasting barely 10 minutes. The ending left plot holes and errors to the lore, threw away (arguably it's two most important) themes of tolerance and free will and took away the games core mechanic;

Player Choice.

To top it all off they then had the indecency to urge the player to buy DLC.
"...continue to build the legacy through further gameplay and downloadable content."

I personally want to see change. EA/Bioware will ultimately end up taking a hit in the financial department. Because in this day and age, that's the only way we can make our voices heard.

[Perddyy]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

Drasoini wrote...

The less I play of Mass Effect 3, the less I want to return. This particular age of gaming moves rapidly. Much more so then the one I started in (NES era). The desire to return to Mass Effect and by extension, Bioware, rapidly diminishes the more I hear nothing from them. Make a concrete statement. Tell us to go stuff it if that's the plan, or tell us 'Yes, we rushed it, we were trying to make our Q1 goals' or anything besides 'We are listening'. I'm happily putting together a Pathfinder campaign now. Spending hundreds of dollars on books that I had been reserving for Mass Effect DLC and DA3 as well as other games.

Hold the Line folks. This guy is getting close to washing his hands of the situation and becoming a former customer rather than a disgruntled customer.

I agree, their tactics are from an old playbook before the age of social networking, and ample choice. waiting us out won't help. Even if they do wait us out, that'a a terrible thing for bioware, as when people give up, they don't just give up on the ending, and go back to playing ME3 normally, they give up on the game completely. And now that the trust is gone, since they have other choices from bioware games, they will in the future pick those. They keep feeding us the wait for more people to finish the game, but at this point, sales are slumping, and word of mouth is incredibly terrible. It's amazing walking around, and even people on the street are talking about how terrible they are. It's not jsut the retake movement spreading bad word of mouth, the average gamer hates it as much as we do, and while they might not be as active in the community as retake, they are still talking to freinds, and hurting bioware as much as we are. They need to do something fast, because they are looking at the death of this movement as a good sign, but IF it does die, there goes all of biowares loyal customers, and trust. Hell the ending has become such a huge joke that even people in the non gaming circles are starting to talk about it (just heard my finace talk about the terrible endings, and she hasn't even played the games). If they don't fix it, they will never live it down, and that will be the end of bioware. because unlike in ME, space magic doesn't fix things they don't want to deal with in real life.

Hold the line

P.S. - How does one get one of those snazzy retake banners, I never really used game forums untill this problem.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9762840
There's different banners and instructions how to set them up.

[Emphyr]

It also is in my mind that EA probably has flew in a team of psychotherapists to analyze this topic and to tell them wich elements in this topic are the most dangerous .. I am sure they have a list now with a top 25 posters that they are following and analizing every post one of the top 25 does.

I guess The Old Gamer is nr 1 on their list

My guess is that they are now having discussions about what to do with the persons on the list

Take Care

[The Almighty Ali]

Eleinehmm wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...
Welcome.
It's nice to meet one of the silent majority, don't worry I understand why many remain silent and I don't hold it against them.
That said I do hope you won't shy from mentioning to others who feel the same way as you do, friends, family and whatnot that we're here. We don't expect you or them to be active in the forums, although you are more then welcome to do so if you wish, on facebook or twitter but a simple "like" would support more then one would think.
We're far from a minority but we can always use more that show they support us and what we're trying to do.

This pat on the shoulder from you, it helps us keep it onwards.
And we appriciate it. :happy:

Another one from the silent majority.
I don't use facebook or twitter so can't help you here, sorry.  I am a fan of Transhumanism, but in case of ME3 it just didn't make any sense.  They broke the stylistic and story consistency and it isn't good.

That's quite alright and I agree.
I expected the endings to pretty much be like this.

Low assets  = Shepard and team mates are killed, entire fleet destroyed, reapers win, Relays intact.

Medium assets = Shepard Sacrifices him/herself, Several team mates dies, large loss of fleets, relays shut down.

Above medium assets = Shepard sacrifices himself, couple of team mates dies, medium loss of fleets, relays shut down.

Max  assets= Shepard survives, all team mates survives, medium loss of fleets, Relays intact.

Not the "choose option A, B or C" that we got.

[Lyons6]

kieranr61 wrote...

The endings destroyed everything the Mass Effect series stood for over the past 5 years (and 150+ hours of my life). Those hours of my life and the long, immersing story of ridiculously large proportions were tersely wrapped up in 3 non-interactive, identical cut-scenes lasting barely 10 minutes. The ending left plot holes and errors to the lore, threw away (arguably it's two most important) themes of tolerance and free will and took away the games core mechanic;

Player Choice.

To top it all off they then had the indecency to urge the player to buy DLC.
"...continue to build the legacy through further gameplay and downloadable content."

I personally want to see change. EA/Bioware will ultimately end up taking a hit in the financial department. Because in this day and age, that's the only way we can make our voices heard.

Completely agree, I really hope Bioware man up and make an announcement.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

Drasoini wrote...

The less I play of Mass Effect 3, the less I want to return. This particular age of gaming moves rapidly. Much more so then the one I started in (NES era). The desire to return to Mass Effect and by extension, Bioware, rapidly diminishes the more I hear nothing from them. Make a concrete statement. Tell us to go stuff it if that's the plan, or tell us 'Yes, we rushed it, we were trying to make our Q1 goals' or anything besides 'We are listening'. I'm happily putting together a Pathfinder campaign now. Spending hundreds of dollars on books that I had been reserving for Mass Effect DLC and DA3 as well as other games.

Hold the Line folks. This guy is getting close to washing his hands of the situation and becoming a former customer rather than a disgruntled customer.

I agree, their tactics are from an old playbook before the age of social networking, and ample choice. waiting us out won't help. Even if they do wait us out, that'a a terrible thing for bioware, as when people give up, they don't just give up on the ending, and go back to playing ME3 normally, they give up on the game completely. And now that the trust is gone, since they have other choices from bioware games, they will in the future pick those. They keep feeding us the wait for more people to finish the game, but at this point, sales are slumping, and word of mouth is incredibly terrible. It's amazing walking around, and even people on the street are talking about how terrible they are. It's not jsut the retake movement spreading bad word of mouth, the average gamer hates it as much as we do, and while they might not be as active in the community as retake, they are still talking to freinds, and hurting bioware as much as we are. They need to do something fast, because they are looking at the death of this movement as a good sign, but IF it does die, there goes all of biowares loyal customers, and trust. Hell the ending has become such a huge joke that even people in the non gaming circles are starting to talk about it (just heard my finace talk about the terrible endings, and she hasn't even played the games). If they don't fix it, they will never live it down, and that will be the end of bioware. because unlike in ME, space magic doesn't fix things they don't want to deal with in real life.

Hold the line

P.S. - How does one get one of those snazzy retake banners, I never really used game forums untill this problem.

Well said.  No matter what happens we win.

Hold the line as long as it takes people.

[Elodin123]

Eleinehmm wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...
Welcome.
It's nice to meet one of the silent majority, don't worry I understand why many remain silent and I don't hold it against them.
That
said I do hope you won't shy from mentioning to others who feel the
same way as you do, friends, family and whatnot that we're here. We
don't expect you or them to be active in the forums, although you are
more then welcome to do so if you wish, on facebook or twitter but a
simple "like" would support more then one would think.
We're far from a minority but we can always use more that show they support us and what we're trying to do.

This pat on the shoulder from you, it helps us keep it onwards.
And we appriciate it. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

Another one from the silent majority.
I
don't use facebook or twitter so can't help you here, sorry.  I am a
fan of Transhumanism, but in case of ME3 it just didn't make any sense. 
They broke the stylistic and story consistency and it isn't good.

Same here. I'm one of those people who never write about things on the
forum, but now is not the time to be silent. I just wanted to throw in
my support for all of you - Keep up the good work, stay civil, avoid
infighting, and we might have a chance winning this.

Modifié par darhedarna, 20 mars 2012 - 08:21 .