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[coolbeans]

London fleet going down for the night

Hold the line guys, hold the line

[sageofgods]

punkenjunki3 wrote...

Numdenu wrote...


Let our voices be heard, and Eat the Line!

...Wait.

Look I dont wanna be alarmist but weve been holding that for a good while now....theres probably some hygene issues with what you intend to do....

But the line taste delicious. It just needs salt.

[Emphyr]

Here is a posting that stunned me from the other topic. it is posted by Torgoservo in the Import Face issue,

---->
I'll go ahead and chime in to this mess as well.

To those that don't get why it's important.... It's a 3rd person action game. You're identifying with the action through your avatar that you created. To have that avatar taken away and made into some hideous abomination is a betrayal. Sometimes the differences aren't that big or whatever and if that's the case I could even live with it, but to double down on that betrayal by dangling a patch out of my reach that will do something that may or may not include this error is enraging.

What fans want? To know that this issue in particular is still being worked on, if it is in fact fixable or if there'll still be issues and how long we'll have to wait if possible so we can make an informed judgment on creating another Shepard or 'Holding the Line'. If that's asking too much then I can tell how much you value your consumers as a result.

A bug occurring that does this is more than understandable. A bug that does this that was known about well before launch and not fully disclosed is disturbing. A bug that does this, was not fully disclosed until after those it'd most likely effect (saves from #1 onward) have already purchased the game and then is acknowledged only in that 'you're aware of the problem/are looking into it' is irritating. Having this bug still effecting those fans a month (see previous discussion and it can be pointed that they knew of it at least by then) after you know about it while no update of any kind regarding it (beyond being aware of it) is disgusting.

Having a patch to save it is wonderful, but when I look at the announcements that say nothing about what issues they're even looking at actually patching .... well, you'll forgive me if I don't have much faith left. It's not the technical aspect or issues that bug me on this at all. It's the complete lack of open and honest discussion from Bioware or EA that they say they truly want to foster in here. If they've truly looked into it for the past 3 weeks they should know at least whether it'll definitively be fixed or at most when it'll be fixed by approximately.

As it is, they've given comments to the press when it was an initial story that they'll be fixing it and when the press went away they've said nothing except there'll be a patch that fixes some ambiguous issues coming out at some point. If anyone on either side of the issue finds that acceptable communication then I pity their standards. I do give credit for them not closing the topic at least, which is my past experience for such occurrences, so kudos I guess, although maybe that'll be the next round.

This is all the more regrettable due to the quality of games Bioware creates and I've been enjoying for so long, but when you fail on the basics of customer service to this extent and in this way you really make it hard as a consumer. All I can say to Bioware is that you've turned a rabid fan and active promoter in your company for a long, long, time into an active pessimist regarding it over a very small period of time for me with the way you handle some of these decisions. Consumer goodwill is a precious commodity, but it spends a LOT faster than you can earn it and things like this where all it takes is an update directly to the fans (i.e. what this board was made for) instead of petulant silence and information that's released in a way that says absolutely nothing relevant is an incredibly stupid way to burn through it, imo.

[Lil One]

Numdenu wrote...

punkenjunki3 wrote...

Numdenu wrote...

Let our voices be heard, and Eat the Line!

...Wait.

Look
I dont wanna be alarmist but weve been holding that for a good while
now....theres probably some hygene issues with what you intend to do....
[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

...Maybe Give the Line a Shower, first.

Shower the line!


On a more serious note (but neither yellow nor sour!), well put MeldarthX.

I can be stubborn, and will apply that to holding the line, just need a pep-talk now and then I suppose.

[Nithe]

Panicomatic wrote...

https://www.google.c...=ob&q=NASDAQ:EA

According to NASDAQ, EA lost about 17% share value from 01/03 to 03/20. $17.04 down from $20.60 market share. I'm not going to pretend that I can fathom all the factors driving those figures, but If you look from 11/04 to 03/20 that's a 30% drop in market value over less then a half year.

So trust me guys, they are probably sweating bullets over at EA right now.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

I  would take it with a grain of salt, like you said there are many factors involved and if you look at the graph on a longer timescale, you'll see that EA has had bigger dips than this quite recently(check out Feb 27th--March 1st to see what I'm talking about).

But it certainly is more bad news during a tough time for them, at the very least. And that could influence their decision, and not necessarily how we hope, either.

Modifié par Nithe, 20 mars 2012 - 11:47 .

[Emphyr]

His/her second post-->

(PS i asked permission to post them inhere)

I think the worst part of it is getting lost at this point is all. The part that's inexcusable is the simple way they choose to communicate on a board that they control for just such a purpose. All I truly expect (and indeed, feel entitled to as their customer) is to know my options given the situation and hopefully to know or be persuaded into believing that they care as a provider of a good/service and will try to make it right. They've succeeded on the first part by giving a fan tool to maybe but not really fix any problems and said they're aware of it, but that really doesn't cover making it right or even showing they care....at all. It's called customer service and believe me I get the hard parts of it, but when you execute it this sloppily you're creating more problems than you're solving.

Even if they create a solution for it and whatever else by tomorrow they've still failed utterly and completely in regard to valuing their customers with this problem by their actions or lack thereof in communicating with us in what should and easily could be a mutually beneficial relationship. You can't say you value me as a consumer when the moment a problem occurs you simultaneously give a cursory 'I'm aware there's an issue..... and we said something about it quietly a week before release' and then leave for the door. Hitting me with a '..... let me explain the patching process and not tell you what will be patched!' a week later doesn't cut it either, surprisingly. There's a bit of a disconnect in the logic there and it needs to be dealt with before anyone should feel satisfied - even if you aren't affected by the issues presented.

Honestly, any company that treats consumers like this deserves a lot more fallout than they've gotten thus far and I must ascribe it to the good will they've built up over the years as being so excellent at what they do. That goodwill doesn't last forever though and at the rate they're going with DA2 and ME3 issues they've been downgraded quite severely in my eyes and I'd hope anyone else that's gone through it would feel the same, as unfortunate as it is to voice.

Right now their level of care as communicated to us has been farcical and they should be held responsible for that above all else, imo. Technical issues and hiccups happen, not being able to relate them to the fans or get word out in a way that favors them while making sense to us despite having places like this designed to do so is flat-out inexcusable and shows a disinterest in the fans that runs contrary to their desire to create this place and nurture that relationship.

I don't think it's too late to turn things around for them, but I do think they need a reality check and the fans do as well given all of this and hopefully each will end up better as a result. The company more readily able to get things resolved and letting us know what's up and the customers able to voice their concerns and actually be heard..... I don't think it's too late, but I won't hold my breath.

[Vap0ur_Snake]

GriffinXP wrote...

Just posted this in response to an article about Mass Effect's 'perfect' ending. 
(http://www.gaminguni...fect--7983.html)

...

The lack of closure is only one of the many reasons that a large portion of the Mass Effect community has been reaching out to Bioware for a better ending.

Simply put: the one they gave us is lazy. 

The entire final sequence and last twenty minutes of the game is full of plot holes.
(I link you to this as a comprehensive list: https://docs.google....pli=1&sle=true# )

The Catalyst is nothing more than a universally reviled literary device - Deus Ex Machina.

The endings, which were promised to be wide in scope and personalized enough as to show the gamer the effect of their actions over the last three games, are ultimately nothing more than the results of one final choice that the player makes.
(And because this one choice has almost complete authority over the game's end, we are only given a few truly different ways in which it can conclude - in shades of Red, Green, and Blue.)

The final cinematics, no matter which path you do choose, are almost complete carbon copies of one another - with only minor variations in color palette to set them apart.
(Once again, I will refer you to an outside source for this one: )

And yes, we weren't given the closure we were promised either.

So please, I ask that you don't belittle the movement. We, as a vast majority, are trying to give the developers the time they need to make things right, and in the mean time, help them to understand exactly where they went wrong. We want to give them the benefit of the doubt, and until they open a dialouge with us, we are trying to get our message out in the most constructive ways possible. To date, a drive to get the endings changed has netted almost 100,000 dollars for Child's Play & I've seen two separate mail-in campaigns dedicated to showing that Bioware that their fans really do care. While we recognize that there are some disatisfied gamers who would jump towards inflammatory action quickly, we are dedicated to resolving this as civily as possible and in no way condone their actions. 

Thanks for the opportunity to voice my opinion on the matter.

...


Any changes I should make?

No mate, that's perfect imo


Hold the line. 

[Emphyr]

Emphyr wrote...

@torgoservo

Ive been reading the topics now a long time.. I have to tell you that the postings you did are stunning to me.

I ask permission to post them into the hold the line topic. ppl there need ppl like you with postings like this!

Take Care



I posted them in public - fairly use away! I don't think I can post in there because I haven't registered my copy of 3 due to the bug though

Thus my experience is going to be ruined one way or another as I've already had more than a few unavoidable spoilers at this point - thus the bitterness. Being given a choice between having the story spoiled by 'news' or comments or by having to experience the story through a protagonist that's changed for no reason is no real choice that anyone should find conscionable for those that bought it on release day

[Lil One]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

GriffinXP wrote...

<snip>

Any changes I should make?

No mate, that's perfect imo


Hold the line. 

^ What he said, looks good.

[punkenjunki3]

Lil One wrote...

Shower the line!


On a more serious note (but neither yellow nor sour!), well put MeldarthX.

But didnt we learn from the video that eating the line results in one if not all of the following: 

- Dog theft and murder
- Car theft
- Nuclear geoncide
- Face stabbings with various cutlery

and now probably a really nasty stomach bug too.

Saying that, theres still more outcomes there than we got in the game...

[MeldarthX]

Kioux wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@Kious
Yes I agree!
I don't get why they feel the need to attack us either.

I thought we all here have been posting...."we're glad you enjoyed it"

Exactly. Now I am not blind - I know that some of us who dislike the ending have been insulting to others - but that is a minority and I think we have shown quite nicely that we do not support nor tolerate it.
And yet - I have personally seen more hate towards us than towards the "ending-defenders" but that might be based on the forums I vist. I have no desire to read a forum that has a topic like "Why the whiners should shut up" or the likes.
But still - the entire concept of their hate eludes me. It is basically telling us that we don't deserve to get an ending we would like to see because they are happy with theirs. Strange.

Anyway, as many posts have come up again as to why we think BioWare has lied to us and for that I would like to direct you once more to one of the BSN threads that has a collection of comments from interviews with different BioWare personnel which can be found right here: http://social.biowar...6886/1#10056886
Maybe this will help to explain our disappointment.

Ok folks - reason they attack - several - one their are a troll.  They just like annoying people; getting people upset - they do it for kicks.  Those are easiest to disarm. 

You be nice to them - use intelligance and if that doesn't work. Ignore them.  They then end up getting pissed off themselves and making themselves look very stupid.

Number 2 - they are a plant - its their job to calm the storm - insite people into anger so they look like just what they claiming we are.  Again easily delt with; with respect - civility - and you counter with facts.  They will end up slipping up and doing something dumb; making themselves look like exactly what they claim you are.

Number 3 - Illogic and Ill Informated - these can be dangerous.  If they are Illogic - no matter what you say to them - they will continue to spout whatever - leave them to do just that; they burn fast and just look foolish.  Ill informed - can easily be turned into ally if you are smart about it.  You engage them in conversation; show your side; give your facts without being preachy; condensending.  Treat them like you want to be treated.


The side tatics of attacking us has slowed down - ATGhunter said; tieing ourselves to this charity was best thing we could of done.  People complain oh your using this charity.  I say; yes we are; that's its done.  You say any artist - actor supporting a Charity - its for PR - it to show them in a good light - very few just go oh I'm doing this just because.

We've raised 83k for children - this is a great thing - remember this - no matter what happens - we have made a major difference.  I've donated - and when I can I will donate again - yea its slowed down - but people are still donating - and continueing to donate.  We will hit 100k -

Most of all - We Will Win - BELIEVE - for there is no try - there is do or DO NOT......

I choose DO......

HOLD THE LINE

[MeldarthX]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

GriffinXP wrote...

Just posted this in response to an article about Mass Effect's 'perfect' ending. 
(http://www.gaminguni...fect--7983.html)

...

The lack of closure is only one of the many reasons that a large portion of the Mass Effect community has been reaching out to Bioware for a better ending.

Simply put: the one they gave us is lazy. 

The entire final sequence and last twenty minutes of the game is full of plot holes.
(I link you to this as a comprehensive list: https://docs.google....pli=1&sle=true# )

The Catalyst is nothing more than a universally reviled literary device - Deus Ex Machina.

The endings, which were promised to be wide in scope and personalized enough as to show the gamer the effect of their actions over the last three games, are ultimately nothing more than the results of one final choice that the player makes.
(And because this one choice has almost complete authority over the game's end, we are only given a few truly different ways in which it can conclude - in shades of Red, Green, and Blue.)

The final cinematics, no matter which path you do choose, are almost complete carbon copies of one another - with only minor variations in color palette to set them apart.
(Once again, I will refer you to an outside source for this one: )

And yes, we weren't given the closure we were promised either.

So please, I ask that you don't belittle the movement. We, as a vast majority, are trying to give the developers the time they need to make things right, and in the mean time, help them to understand exactly where they went wrong. We want to give them the benefit of the doubt, and until they open a dialouge with us, we are trying to get our message out in the most constructive ways possible. To date, a drive to get the endings changed has netted almost 100,000 dollars for Child's Play & I've seen two separate mail-in campaigns dedicated to showing that Bioware that their fans really do care. While we recognize that there are some disatisfied gamers who would jump towards inflammatory action quickly, we are dedicated to resolving this as civily as possible and in no way condone their actions. 

Thanks for the opportunity to voice my opinion on the matter.

...


Any changes I should make?

No mate, that's perfect imo


Hold the line. 

Only thing might want to put is - is the forum showing the developers lied about what they were going to do on the ending.......there is a great sub here that lists all of it.

[Bunzmaster]

Reposting some good link as they tend to get lost in the shuffle:

docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/edit

www.youtube.com/watch

I used to work for a Game Dev studio in Canada, which was part of a larger Gaming company (not bioware or EA), I left recently to pursue a career in Emergency Services.

I still keep in touch with my good friends from the studio and though they are in "crunch" now, I managed to grab lunch with them today and we discussed this whole issue with Bioware and the ME3 ending.

Our conclusion (from a Game Dev perspective) is that either:

-This is a very bold ,and well planned stunt. ( <_< doubtful)

or

-Game had to be rushed out the door. (maybe from pressure from EA?)

 Judging from the amount of bugs with the game (i.e. faces not importing) we are leaning towards the latter.


I'm a huge Bioware fan. I was recently about to purchase the N7 hoody, as seeing it in game was just too much and I just HAD to have it.

I was also planning on picking up the Mass Effect books as soon as I was done reading the series I am currently on.

 But no more. If this isn't fixed I'm done with Bioware. I'll mail them my N7 patch (soaked in my tears) and they won't get a penny from me again.

Our choices should matter - Hold the line!

Modifié par Bunzmaster, 20 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[McBaal]

I have been civilized long enough. Bioware obviously wont move a finger to release an alternate ending. What the hell is so difficult about it Bioware? Write at least two alternate endings, explain the plotholes, calm down your customers, proof your "we are listening" is worth something and even get money for it !
The only reason i can think about why they act so stupid is that they are too stubborn. Bethesda did it with FO3: Broken steel. So it wont even be the first time a game developer reacts this way. There is no reason for Bioware to be ashamed if they change the ending. Happy fans are also happy customers. Furious fans are former customers.
After the ending of the series "Firefly" fans demanded another season and have been protesting. The result was the movie "Serenity". A clear economic success, so it obviously isnt just about the gaming community.
But as far as i see Bioware hasnt done anything. "Yes, we are listening". What a joke... Bioware, if you want to make money with further DLCs, release a DLC with alternate endings first.Maybe the protest movement will slow down one day. But this wont help Bioware, you wont be able to sell your stuff to us. If the line eventually breaks one day, just remember to get your revenge: Dont buy anything from Bioware ever again. No DLCs. no new games. Nothing. And make sure your bud´s wont eather.
Let us see how Bioware likes this once the time comes. They release a new game? Fine, just post a ME3 Cover screenshot in return and dont buy it. Wont even need another explanation.

[mrpoultry]

MeldarthX wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Maglor07 wrote...

Excellent post. Sums up BWs situation perfectly and everyone who's down should read this - we are definitely winning.

To answer the demographics question:
28 male,
English language and literature major & history major,
working as a translator,
long time girlfriend - also an ME fan

No, we are losing.

Every hour BioWare does nothing, we get further behind.

The further this goes, the lower the passion drops, the more we lose.

The Retake Charity gained 50k in 65 hours.  In the four and a half days since, it's only gained another 23k.

Just look at the shift in this forum.  Look at how much fewer rants there are.  People are just ceasing to care.


We are losing, and to think we are winning is just fooling yourself and hurting the cause.

This is where you're wrong - I can understand how you think this - but remember this isn't a sprint -- get get as far as we have as quickly as we have is in itself amazing - revolutionary.

Old days to get a company to even admit some of their fans aka majority - dislike something of there would take months usually.  We're rewriting the rules of PR. 

ATG has confirmed this - along with others.  Second - if there was no "The Truth" dlc already planned - I still have a theory they did - but that's another subject.

Right now - they are meeting to see how quickly something could be done and for how much - they will then put this against the econ of not doing anything.  If one is greater than the other........we will get our fix.

Thirdly - we have them scared - terrified - because we most so quickly - anything they are trying to calm the storm - to try and generate good PR for themselves - we shut it done - we give our counter arguement.  We do it calmly - respectfully.

There's been an influx of forums saying we love the endings - they die fast - move out.  Those are created by BW and EA to try and flood out this sub; and So We can't get the ending we want.   These two subs dominate the forums along with the ME3 suggestion forum.   You honestly thing BW/EA want those subs at the top?  Heck no - just keeps feeding our cause.

We're the top searches in google - again a nightmare for BW and EA - in the UK ME3 has dropped in sales by 74% - word of mouth is hitting - peopel are understanding why we are doing this; and getting behind us. 

First time in history of gaming; gamers are actually being looked at as consumers and customers instead of just scum.  Getting Forbes behind us; gettin noticed in main stream media.  We were on front page of bbc news website.

HUGE - Their silence is deafing - their tweets of  we are listen - They are and they are scared - they tested the waters possibly on early monday morning with saying there won't be any new ending content - It exploded on them - when you got to pull a community manager out of bed at 3 am - to keep it from completely boiling over.  That's a PR nightmare - We keep the pressure on.......we will only have one chance to change history in gaming for the better.........THIS IS OUR CHANCE.  They want people to start posting like this - they think the old PR rules still will work....

They won't - they are slowly learning this.

WE HOLD THE LINE - 

http://social.biowar...ndex/10098213/1 Not to mention there is this. they wouldn't suggest a fan/dev collaboration If they weren't feeling the pressure.
Those who want to see the endings improved/changed who haven't already posted in that thread I would reccomend going there and posting your ideas. This is where they are seriously considering feedback reagrding changes to the ending.

Modifié par mrpoultry, 20 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[G0ldmember]

MeldarthX wrote...

This is where you're wrong - I can understand how you think this - but remember this isn't a sprint -- get get as far as we have as quickly as we have is in itself amazing - revolutionary.

Old days to get a company to even admit some of their fans aka majority - dislike something of there would take months usually.  We're rewriting the rules of PR. 

ATG has confirmed this - along with others.  Second - if there was no "The Truth" dlc already planned - I still have a theory they did - but that's another subject.

Right now - they are meeting to see how quickly something could be done and for how much - they will then put this against the econ of not doing anything.  If one is greater than the other........we will get our fix.

Thirdly - we have them scared - terrified - because we most so quickly - anything they are trying to calm the storm - to try and generate good PR for themselves - we shut it done - we give our counter arguement.  We do it calmly - respectfully.

There's been an influx of forums saying we love the endings - they die fast - move out.  Those are created by BW and EA to try and flood out this sub; and So We can't get the ending we want.   These two subs dominate the forums along with the ME3 suggestion forum.   You honestly thing BW/EA want those subs at the top?  Heck no - just keeps feeding our cause.

We're the top searches in google - again a nightmare for BW and EA - in the UK ME3 has dropped in sales by 74% - word of mouth is hitting - peopel are understanding why we are doing this; and getting behind us. 

First time in history of gaming; gamers are actually being looked at as consumers and customers instead of just scum.  Getting Forbes behind us; gettin noticed in main stream media.  We were on front page of bbc news website.

HUGE - Their silence is deafing - their tweets of  we are listen - They are and they are scared - they tested the waters possibly on early monday morning with saying there won't be any new ending content - It exploded on them - when you got to pull a community manager out of bed at 3 am - to keep it from completely boiling over.  That's a PR nightmare - We keep the pressure on.......we will only have one chance to change history in gaming for the better.........THIS IS OUR CHANCE.  They want people to start posting like this - they think the old PR rules still will work....

They won't - they are slowly learning this.

WE HOLD THE LINE -

This so deserved the Two Steps from Hell tune. Read it again with this running in the background. Its really fits. 

[sageofgods]

punkenjunki3 wrote...

Lil One wrote...

Shower the line!


On a more serious note (but neither yellow nor sour!), well put MeldarthX.

But didnt we learn from the video that eating the line results in one if not all of the following: 

- Dog theft and murder
- Car theft
- Nuclear geoncide
- Face stabbings with various cutlery

and now probably a really nasty stomach bug too.

Saying that, theres still more outcomes there than we got in the game...

I already ate the dog, the dog thief, the murder, the car, the car thief, the thing that caused the Nuclear genocide, the nuclear genocide itself, the person stabbing someone's face, with the person who is getting stabbed in the face, along with said object being used to stab. Did I miss anything.

[G0ldmember]

Dont know if this has been posted already:

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-20-mass-effect-3-ending-controversy-saddens-bioshock-creator

Reading now...

[Dranume]

MeldarthX wrote...

Kioux wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@Kious
Yes I agree!
I don't get why they feel the need to attack us either.

I thought we all here have been posting...."we're glad you enjoyed it"

Exactly. Now I am not blind - I know that some of us who dislike the ending have been insulting to others - but that is a minority and I think we have shown quite nicely that we do not support nor tolerate it.
And yet - I have personally seen more hate towards us than towards the "ending-defenders" but that might be based on the forums I vist. I have no desire to read a forum that has a topic like "Why the whiners should shut up" or the likes.
But still - the entire concept of their hate eludes me. It is basically telling us that we don't deserve to get an ending we would like to see because they are happy with theirs. Strange.

Anyway, as many posts have come up again as to why we think BioWare has lied to us and for that I would like to direct you once more to one of the BSN threads that has a collection of comments from interviews with different BioWare personnel which can be found right here: http://social.biowar...6886/1#10056886
Maybe this will help to explain our disappointment.

Ok folks - reason they attack - several - one their are a troll.  They just like annoying people; getting people upset - they do it for kicks.  Those are easiest to disarm. 

You be nice to them - use intelligance and if that doesn't work. Ignore them.  They then end up getting pissed off themselves and making themselves look very stupid.

Number 2 - they are a plant - its their job to calm the storm - insite people into anger so they look like just what they claiming we are.  Again easily delt with; with respect - civility - and you counter with facts.  They will end up slipping up and doing something dumb; making themselves look like exactly what they claim you are.

Number 3 - Illogic and Ill Informated - these can be dangerous.  If they are Illogic - no matter what you say to them - they will continue to spout whatever - leave them to do just that; they burn fast and just look foolish.  Ill informed - can easily be turned into ally if you are smart about it.  You engage them in conversation; show your side; give your facts without being preachy; condensending.  Treat them like you want to be treated.


The side tatics of attacking us has slowed down - ATGhunter said; tieing ourselves to this charity was best thing we could of done.  People complain oh your using this charity.  I say; yes we are; that's its done.  You say any artist - actor supporting a Charity - its for PR - it to show them in a good light - very few just go oh I'm doing this just because.

We've raised 83k for children - this is a great thing - remember this - no matter what happens - we have made a major difference.  I've donated - and when I can I will donate again - yea its slowed down - but people are still donating - and continueing to donate.  We will hit 100k -

Most of all - We Will Win - BELIEVE - for there is no try - there is do or DO NOT......

I choose DO......

HOLD THE LINE

I just fell in love.....

Modifié par Dranume, 21 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[punkenjunki3]

sageofgods wrote...

punkenjunki3 wrote...

Lil One wrote...

Shower the line!


On a more serious note (but neither yellow nor sour!), well put MeldarthX.

But didnt we learn from the video that eating the line results in one if not all of the following: 

- Dog theft and murder
- Car theft
- Nuclear geoncide
- Face stabbings with various cutlery

and now probably a really nasty stomach bug too.

Saying that, theres still more outcomes there than we got in the game...

I already ate the dog, the dog thief, the murder, the car, the car thief, the thing that caused the Nuclear genocide, the nuclear genocide itself, the person stabbing someone's face, with the person who is getting stabbed in the face, along with said object being used to stab. Did I miss anything.

Um, well if you ate them then the whole stomach bug issue is kinda the last thing you need to worry about.

But then there was always the waiter too.

And MeldarthX, /tiphat sir. Agree with your post.

Anyways, back to the line, if it hasnt been eaten already

[Bunzmaster]

G0ldmember wrote...

Dont know if this has been posted already:

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-20-mass-effect-3-ending-controversy-saddens-bioshock-creator

Reading now...

 He obviously hasn't finished the game yet.

[AloraKast]

A quick head-poking in before having to dash off again.

Thought I'd add to the showing of support for our brave troops valiantly holding the line.

Remember:

When you're stumbling through the darkness walking blind
Don't forget that there is always hope to find

TAKE IT BACK!

When you're stumbling through the darkness walking blind
Don't forget that there is always hope to find

Choose your path
Walk it well
Save us from this living hell
In this broken cage
We will not be confined

And when the world it starts to burn
At the point of no return
Keep a hold of
Your conviction
Tear out the affliction
And before the world turns black

Stand up and take it back!!

As the towers of steel and stone crumble to dust
The foundations of our hope begin to rust

Choking fear
Screaming sound
As a Reaper comes to ground
You turn to face it down
Because you must

And when the world it starts to burn
At the point of no return
Keep a hold of
Your conviction
Tear out the affliction
And before the world turns black

Stand up and take it back!!

For Earth, for all, for glory
It's time to end this story
(From Omega to Mars....)
For Earth, for all, for glory
It's time to end this story

And we won't fight this war alone my friends
Shepard's on his way back home again...

They won't break you
Break you
They won't bring you to your knees
They won't break you...

And when the world it starts to burn
At the point of no return
Keep a hold of
Your conviction
Tear out the affliction
And before the world turns black

Stand up and take it back!!

Stand up and take it back!

[Michotic]

McBaal wrote...

I have been civilized long enough. Bioware obviously wont move a finger to release an alternate ending. What the hell is so difficult about it Bioware? Write at least two alternate endings, explain the plotholes, calm down your customers, proof your "we are listening" is worth something and even get money for it !

It has only been two weeks since release, and even less than that in some areas of the globe. It's far too early to expect any real statement from them. Right now they are gathering data and testing the water.

The only reason i can think about why they act so stupid is that they are too stubborn. Bethesda did it with FO3: Broken steel. So it wont even be the first time a game developer reacts this way. There is no reason for Bioware to be ashamed if they change the ending. Happy fans are also happy customers. Furious fans are former customers.

FO3 first hit shelves in Oct 2008. Broken Steel didn't come out until May 2009. That's a lot of time in between. So far, you aren't giving BioWare more than half a month.

After the ending of the series "Firefly" fans demanded another season and have been protesting. The result was the movie "Serenity". A clear economic success, so it obviously isnt just about the gaming community.

The movie hit the theaters at the end of September 2005, and Firefly was on the TV in 2002, and even longer time. You need to have patience.

But as far as i see Bioware hasnt done anything. "Yes, we are listening". What a joke... Bioware, if you want to make money with further DLCs, release a DLC with alternate endings first.Maybe the protest movement will slow down one day. But this wont help Bioware, you wont be able to sell your stuff to us. If the line eventually breaks one day, just remember to get your revenge: Dont buy anything from Bioware ever again. No DLCs. no new games. Nothing. And make sure your bud´s wont eather.
Let us see how Bioware likes this once the time comes. They release a new game? Fine, just post a ME3 Cover screenshot in return and dont buy it. Wont even need another explanation.

Rash words and action gets us nowhere. If anything, it sets us back further. Again, I ask you to use your energy in a more positive fashion. We do not need to attack BioWare with this type of negative tactic.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

Modifié par Michotic, 21 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[Lil One]

punkenjunki3 wrote...

But didnt we learn from the video that eating the line results in one if not all of the following: 

- Dog theft and murder
- Car theft
- Nuclear geoncide
- Face stabbings with various cutlery

and now probably a really nasty stomach bug too.

Saying that, theres still more outcomes there than we got in the game... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

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sageofgods wrote...I already ate the dog, the dog thief, the murder, the car, the car thief, the thing that caused the Nuclear genocide, the nuclear genocide itself, the person stabbing someone's face, with the person who is getting stabbed in the face, along with said object being used to stab. Did I miss anything.

The steak, the potato -- and the dessert, for which I hope you have your wallet eaten ready.