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[Menalaos1971]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

So, Bioware is going to be actively cracking down on Retake fans?  You do realize we're the most passionate fans of Mass Effect, and Bioware's style of WRPG's, right?  We're the ones that tell all of our friends when you're making a new game, when it's released, when new DLC comes out, and things like that, right?  We're the ones that, with the exception of ME3, go onto every gaming website and give Bioware games high ratings because, with the exception of ME3, they're usually superb?  Not to say that everything before the ending was bad.  Honestly until I got to the ending I thought ME3 was the best game I've played in ages, if not ever, but the ending RUINED the experience for me and MANY gamers.

HOLD THE LINE!

[MeldarthX]

Thornne wrote...

LeoSpike wrote...
As for PAX, they have an opportunity. If they decide to issue the statement we're waiting for, then good. If by chance they don't then what? Whatever they decide what will our reaction be?

My suggestion -- tell everyone who wants to be there in protest to be polite, civil, and request to ask a question of the panel.  Make sure that question is 'what are you going to do about the ending.'

If they refuse to acknowledge the issue or refuse to give an answer, have EVERYONE who is part of the protest simple get up and walk out, en masse.  Don't boo.  Don't get angry.  Just leave in total silence.

That was already discussed- the theaters/theatres they are in are small - it would create a lot of backlash towards us - because there will be a lot that wouldn't be able to get in - and if they knew people were just going to leave........Sets a bad bad example.........best thing to do - ask your questions politely - keep the pressure on.

Show you are fans; you want to know what's going to happen and you will support them if they support us the fans ;D  - that will speak louder than any walk out......

You got to remember; we're fighting on several fronts - most of all psychology - turn the bystanders into comrads - they deflect - or say I didn't say that - prove they did - They want as much pressure off them as they can get right now......

Now is the time to keep the pressure on - keep turning......

HOLD THE LINE

[Pandoravv3]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't post much outside of BSN these days - how are the polls looking on other websites? IGN's latest poll indicated overwhelming displeasure towards ME3's endings, but that is only one site out of many.

Anyone here vote in a poll outside of IGN and BSN? IF so, what were the results?

Universal distaste. The EA one is actually probably more accurate, most polls are only showing 85% opposed, but using IGN means (tin foil hat on) EA bots can't spam loved it, therefore the results are a tad more accurate.

[stargatefan1990]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

Thornne wrote...

LeoSpike wrote...
As for PAX, they have an opportunity. If they decide to issue the statement we're waiting for, then good. If by chance they don't then what? Whatever they decide what will our reaction be?

My suggestion -- tell everyone who wants to be there in protest to be polite, civil, and request to ask a question of the panel.  Make sure that question is 'what are you going to do about the ending.'

If they refuse to acknowledge the issue or refuse to give an answer, have EVERYONE who is part of the protest simple get up and walk out, en masse.  Don't boo.  Don't get angry.  Just leave in total silence.

That is an amazing idea. Not to mention the fact that bioware might take us seriously when most of the crowd leaves. It would be a powerful statement right to the people in charge of this fiasco's face.

HA! That reminds me of (off topic ) a stargate/SG1/SGA/SGU convention i went to wen SGU wasnt far into its second season and the majority of the fans didn't show up at the SGU panel's  lol the PR excuses were just amazing

[MeldarthX]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

So, Bioware is going to be actively cracking down on Retake fans?  You do realize we're the most passionate fans of Mass Effect, and Bioware's style of WRPG's, right?  We're the ones that tell all of our friends when you're making a new game, when it's released, when new DLC comes out, and things like that, right?  We're the ones that, with the exception of ME3, go onto every gaming website and give Bioware games high ratings because, with the exception of ME3, they're usually superb?  Not to say that everything before the ending was bad.  Honestly until I got to the ending I thought ME3 was the best game I've played in ages, if not ever, but the ending RUINED the experience for me and MANY gamers.

HOLD THE LINE!

No but if people just keep saying hold the line without actually saying more..........can and possibly will get people into trouble.......

Give a short shout for people


HOLD THE LINE

[ReavousX]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't post much outside of BSN these days - how are the polls looking on other websites? IGN's latest poll indicated overwhelming displeasure towards ME3's endings, but that is only one site out of many.

Anyone here vote in a poll outside of IGN and BSN? IF so, what were the results?

There was a German poll from a gaming website that had very similar results.  It's in the thread somewhere, good luck searching for it.  

[Daerog]

Just read
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

Old article, but I just ran across this while skimming throught his thread, why isn't this article posted more often? It sums the whole thing up quite well, could replace all the threads with just this article.

[Damate]

@G0ldmember: Added!

@xXdmndmnXx: Yeah, sorry, I didn't make these banners (credit is stated in my post). I don't know if there's a plain 'Asian Fleet' out there. Also could you edit your post and snip out/delete the repost of the banner pics? Just so the thread isn't nailed for spamming large pics/collections of pics. Thanks!

ALSO: The OP does actually have a link to a ton of templates for the same banner here: Banner Templates Just without the little tutorial I borrowed from the originally credited thread.

[shephard987]

http://www.hardcoreg...s-gone-too-far/

Some one, please read this article.
Then comment on it, showing how civil and reasonable we really are.
There is a poster on there giving us a bad name, so please help out in spreading the word of
what our movement is all about.

Cheers.

Hold the Line

[InsaneNarwhal]

shephard987 wrote...

http://www.hardcoreg...s-gone-too-far/

Some one, please read this article.
Then comment on it, showing how civil and reasonable we really are.
There is a poster on there giving us a bad name, so please help out in spreading the word of
what our movement is all about.

Cheers.

Hold the Line

The writer of the article is childish in both the article AND responding to comments. I honestly don't feel like wasting my time.

[Jsixgun]

This has been posted before, sorry for reposting it but it is important and should be read. This article examines in an extremely logical fashion the critics of the Retake Mass Effect movement.  A must read for everyone intersted in this whole debate. 

mortarnpistol.com/2012/03/20/retake-mass-effect-jsixgun-answers-the-critics/#comment-750

Modifié par jakecollette, 21 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[Carnage752]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

So, Bioware is going to be actively cracking down on Retake fans?  You do realize we're the most passionate fans of Mass Effect, and Bioware's style of WRPG's, right?  We're the ones that tell all of our friends when you're making a new game, when it's released, when new DLC comes out, and things like that, right?  We're the ones that, with the exception of ME3, go onto every gaming website and give Bioware games high ratings because, with the exception of ME3, they're usually superb?  Not to say that everything before the ending was bad.  Honestly until I got to the ending I thought ME3 was the best game I've played in ages, if not ever, but the ending RUINED the experience for me and MANY gamers.

HOLD THE LINE!

They are asking us not to spam a phrase that is, in their eyes, little more than a bump post.

[cinderburster]

MeldarthX wrote...

Menalaos1971 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

So, Bioware is going to be actively cracking down on Retake fans?  You do realize we're the most passionate fans of Mass Effect, and Bioware's style of WRPG's, right?  We're the ones that tell all of our friends when you're making a new game, when it's released, when new DLC comes out, and things like that, right?  We're the ones that, with the exception of ME3, go onto every gaming website and give Bioware games high ratings because, with the exception of ME3, they're usually superb?  Not to say that everything before the ending was bad.  Honestly until I got to the ending I thought ME3 was the best game I've played in ages, if not ever, but the ending RUINED the experience for me and MANY gamers.

HOLD THE LINE!

No but if people just keep saying hold the line without actually saying more..........can and possibly will get people into trouble.......

Give a short shout for people


HOLD THE LINE

This.  Mr. Woo wasn't saying it's a problem with Retake ME.  He's saying that it's a discussion forum that discourages bumping, and simply posting "hold the line" counts as bumping.  It doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Modifié par cinderburster, 21 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[shephard987]

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

http://www.hardcoreg...s-gone-too-far/

Some one, please read this article.
Then comment on it, showing how civil and reasonable we really are.
There is a poster on there giving us a bad name, so please help out in spreading the word of
what our movement is all about.

Cheers.

Hold the Line

The writer of the article is childish in both the article AND responding to comments. I honestly don't feel like wasting my time.

If we take the time, then it shows we care.
Don't brush the opposition off.
Show them reason. They can't deny reason. Unless... well...
If they are insane, then we wouldn't want them anyway. 

Hold the Line

[InsaneNarwhal]

@everyone

Stop dredging up the thing with Stanley Woo. People attacked him when he showed up. He was nice enough to accept apologies and left the thread alone. Keep it civil and on topic.

[InsaneNarwhal]

@shepard987

Any article writer that responds to a comment with "the jerk store called.. they're out of you" is problem best avoided. In my opinion. XD

[wheelierdan]

article comments are always nuts, no matter the content of said article. might as well try to civilize youtube comments.

[Ender99]

I didn't know if anyone had posted this yet, but you should check it out. It's really interesting.

http://geek.pikimal....mazon-origin-2/

[cinderburster]

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

@everyone

Stop dredging up the thing with Stanley Woo. People attacked him when he showed up. He was nice enough to accept apologies and left the thread alone. Keep it civil and on topic.

Yeah, this.  The very fact that this thread is still HERE shows that he isn't as draconian as people like to paint him as being.  

[shephard987]

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

@shepard987

Any article writer that responds to a comment with "the jerk store called.. they're out of you" is problem best avoided. In my opinion. XD

YOU... got a point.
Carry on. 
We've got better battles to fight with much more competent accusers/nonbelievers.

Hold the Line

[Bachuck]

OP links have been fixed. If anyone finds a broken one (or one that directs you to the wrong content) please send me a PM and alert me.

I'm done for the night everyone. Good night and stay strong!

[atghunter]

MeldarthX wrote...

Snip

ATGhunter - what's your take on Amazon now taking back opened games - Best buy has........and EA's own Origin has Refunded someone now on ME3?

Here's Amazon's posted return policy:
"Software titles purchased from Amazon.com are easily returned to Amazon.com and most sellers within 30 days of receipt of shipment. These items must be unopened and still in their plastic wrap."

Not a marketing person but everything I've read today confirms this does seem to be a diversion from standard return procedure for Amazon (I suspect the other sites mentioned as well).  Here's what I wrote this morning:

"...if the Amazon thing turns out to be outside of their normal return policy, I suspect someone in their (Amazon’s) PR department saw a way to get some free publicity out of the current Bioware/EA dustup.  Amazon knows many people are probably holding onto their games until Bioware charts a course publically, so the financial risk of mass returns is low but they get to claim the role of benevolent merchant by offering returns. Pretty much a win/win for them." 

But the addition of other major vendors leads to some much more esoteric speculation if these returns are also outside of those distributor's norms.

First,  has EA authorized distributors to refund this product with an understanding that EA will ultimate remit the unit cost to those distributors?

It's an unusual notion and given that even if EA reimburses the distributor for cost, the distributor is still out its profit (markup), whereas if they gave you in-store credit, a distributor looses nothing.

Second, there is the possibility that businesses are sensing there is some very unhealthy tension between this product and some indeterminate amount of customers and they want no part of it.  Remember, Best Buy, Amazon, etc. are businesses as well and they will ultimately do what is best for their own bottom line.  Origin conversely could be operating under direction to simply do anything to try and calm upset EA customers.

Honestly, though, this is less of a PR questions and one for any sales/marketing people we might have here, so I'm speculating as much as everyone else.  But there's my two cents.

It’s really interesting though!

Stay strong, stay civil, stay passionate and use your voice no matter what side you stand for!
 

[Ahms]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Ahms wrote...

Wowowowow. WOW. Wow. Wow.... I read all of that.

A++ reporting by the OP, and very insightful input by atghunter. Much thanks for atghunter's analysis. Also, funny set of phrases you guys got in the business of deceiving and politicking the public.

This the only ME3 thread I've subscribed to so far and it's worth every post. Keep on keepin' on.

And where do I sign up for the resistance?

You just did my friend.

https://encrypted-tb...jsOMk0TxuM9Lzzw

Modifié par Ahms, 21 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[stargatefan1990]

We are Eating through alot of there PR tactics Quicker than they would like i assure you all of that as someone who has been a part of campaigns and movements(not that much just ones that i feel are deserving obv its not like i get off on it or anything........lol" that was a joke" ) i feel that the pr is going to start getting more personal and try and turn us against each other and/or just give up all together we must stand strong!

we will hold the line!

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 21 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[Boceephus]

Whoa... I went out for the night and 40 pages passed me by (serves me right for not manning my computer 24/6).

Any news to catch up on in the last 6 hours?