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[Nithe]

atghunter wrote...

Mazzy Fex wrote...
*snip*
 Kinda icky but that's why it's behind curtains I suppose~

You think that's icky.  You should have seen me as a Vegas showgirl for Wayne Newton.

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[Pandoravv3]

Nadtsat wrote...

Pandoravv3 wrote...

joshko wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

joshko wrote...

temple1337 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

So this happened. Don't know if it was posted earlier or not.

Hold the line.

Oh I'm sure "Over one thousand people liked the ending of Mass Effect 3"
But I wonder what the like to dislike ratio is...

There is over a thousand people in the Retake ME3 group. Currently 1203.

Right! My point being they may have a lot, but we have more.
What was the word in the tweet? Many? A lot? what ever it was it's an arbitrary statement.

you also have to wonder how many 'people' in the likes endings group are actually EA bots. They have done practices like this before. Honsetly this wouldn't even be low by EA standards.

I'm pretty sure that 
"never underestimate or insult the consumer's intelligence"
Is a long-known marketing rule.

Funny how they still try to play a card that's bound to backfire right in their faces.

Well it also simply doesn't make sense. Assuming you were one of the
invisible people who did like the ending (kidding, I'm sure some people
like it), why would you oppose people who simply want an optional
addon. Makes no sense. If I liked the ending I just wouldn't chip in on the controversy either way. I get that some people are just doiing it to be
oppositional, but that many people getting together (ok not THAT many, still) just to ruin other peoples chance at actually enjoying the game seems a tad..... mean. and since I usually find the bioware crowd intelligent, and civil, occhams razor says bots.

[Michotic]

Just saw this and it made me chuckle. Keep the humor going!

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[Ahms]

Lumenadducere wrote...

I do hope that BioWare realizes it's not just the people here in the community that are upset by the ending. I'm a tester at Sony, and almost everyone I've talked to that's beaten the game thought the endings were terrible, and none of them are community members here. One of them even said that he was okay with the endings, but only because "it means that they're going to release ending DLC later on, and that just means more Mass Effect." When I asked him what he'd think if there was no ending DLC later, he just said "that's terrible and it'd make no sense."

He's only okay with the endings because he thinks the only logical conclusion is that there'll be additional ending content in the future. He's only one person, and you can't make sweeping statements based off of a few examples, but my other co-workers feel the same, and from what others are saying their friends are of similar mind.

Evidence seems to be pointing to the fact that what we got was the intention all along and that the Indoctrination Theory seems to be false. If that is the case, and if BioWare doesn't decide to do anything with DLC, then I really hope they take the time to seriously consider the things that have been said and don't just marginalize our views as so many media outlets have done. Maybe not for ME3, but at least so they get a better idea of why people reacted the way they did for their future titles.

Regardless, how this whole thing turns out is going to be very interesting, and I for one am definitely hoping that we get some information out of BioWare soon. But whatever happens, great job on staying (mostly) civil and keep on staying that way. And thanks to those of you who have contributed to the thread. Keep holding the line, ladies and gentlemen.

For anybody on the sidelines, this is telling..... A (relatively, I suppose) unbiased consumer is coming the same conclusion.

It's just an objectifiable fact that the endings are all kinds of wrong.

HOLD THE LINE!

[joshko]

Pandoravv3 wrote...


Well it also simply doesn't make sense. Assuming you were one of the
invisible people who did like the ending (kidding, I'm sure some people
like it), why would you oppose people who simply want an optional
addon. Makes no sense. If I liked the ending I just wouldn't chip in on the controversy either way. I get that some people are just doiing it to be
oppositional, but that many people getting together (ok not THAT many, still) just to ruin other peoples chance at actually enjoying the game seems a tad..... mean. and since I usually find the bioware crowd intelligent, and civil, occhams razor says bots.

We humans thrive on conflict and competition, nuff said.

Modifié par joshko, 21 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Ghostano]

OK I am confused I was watching one of the video links on the first page () and there is a date of 9-3-2012 for mass effect 3 at 5:16.. I thought maybe they just changed the month and day around but the 9th was a friday. Thought the game came out on a tuesday. Any idea what that date was for? The release just kindy snuck up on me sow as not really following the game that much.

Oh well sure it is nothing and while I am here thank you fro the updates on first page this thread moves so fast. I was reading one page and 5 more appeared while I read. Have a goodnight everyone.

[Deklan_Caine]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

joshko wrote...

temple1337 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

So this happened. Don't know if it was posted earlier or not.

Hold the line.

Oh I'm sure "Over one thousand people liked the ending of Mass Effect 3"
But I wonder what the like to dislike ratio is...

There is over a thousand people in the Retake ME3 group. Currently 1203.

Erm, well... There's 48,636 people in the Retake ME3 group on Facebook. Makes the odds seem a little more clear.

[shephard987]

http://www.gaminguni...fect--7983.html

yet another article that needs our help.
Please contribute to the opinion. Make your voices heard in a civil and polite manner.
Above all, give concise reasons for our movement and what exactly is wrong with
what the opposition's argument is.
Any help with this is much appreciated.

Remember
Hold the Line

EDIT

Article asking us whether we would pay for a new ending.
Make sure your voice is heard.

http://www.lazygamer...ffect-3-ending/ 

You know what to do.

Modifié par shephard987, 21 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[atghunter]

vigna wrote...

ATG never gives up. He's always there. Fighting for freedom over land and air!
Hold the line.

You just made an old gamer smile.   My thanks!

It is easier for a man to find the strength within himself to carry on when is is in the company of friends.

[Sidra2099]

Found this on VGcats.com, for those who feel like they need a laugh while holding the line.
Though sadly it would be funnier if it wasn't probably true.

http://www.vgcats.co...ages/120318.jpg

[Pandoravv3]

Well, signing off all. Keep the pressure up, they are close to breaking,we just need a few more good pushes!
They won't be able to space magic out of this mess
Hold the line!

[Hydralysk]

NightHawk18 wrote...

VigilancePress wrote...

NightHawk18 wrote...


Have you guys played Metal Gear Solid 4?

...

I know that they are two seperate studios, but that's what I was expecting for ME3.  I wanted to know what happened to everyone, even if it was brief.  Personally, I didn't think the ending was all that bad, if it could of been one of the possible 16.  The indoctrination theory has given me a lot of hope, and it's what I currently believe in.  But for now, I'll stick to these forums and back up each and every one of you.

 I may be new here, but I'm no rookie.

I'll continue to HOLD THE LINE.

Welcome aboard, NightHawk18! (love the Avatar)

My brother and I were just discussing how MGS4 tied things up so well, and never really made us feel bored. Exhausted, maybe, but the long denouement felt necessary for a series with as complex a story as that one. Mass Effect 3 needed exactly that- a long series of goodbyes *after* the main event, to let the heroes let go of their duties and finally find peace.

So, again, welcome to the line!

Thanks! MGS4 is the only game I've really never gotten bored with, just as you said.  I have almost 8 playthroughs and it still has the same spark each time I play it.  I'm hoping something turns up soon, but if not, I can be patient as well.

PS your Avatar is pretty awesome as well

People said MGS4's ending was too long but it was pure awesome for me. At the end of a long scene Big Boss dies and even Snake had only around 6 months left at best, but they achieved something, and the final scene was beautiful. That's how you do a heroic death that leaves the future somewhat open Bioware.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 21 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[atghunter]

FS3D wrote...

Right... So I got a note from this Vakarian dude about meeting a bunch of my fellow comrades at the bar...

Last time I did that, the Asari troll offered me a drink that looked stomach-churning, tasted foul, and after I downed it, she suddenly looked like that pretty Asari consort everyone's been trying to get a meeting with.

Anyway, reporting for line holding duties. Where's the bar again?

I was at that party!

Hold the Line

[Daerog]

Deklan_Caine wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

joshko wrote...

temple1337 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

So this happened. Don't know if it was posted earlier or not.

Hold the line.

Oh I'm sure "Over one thousand people liked the ending of Mass Effect 3"
But I wonder what the like to dislike ratio is...

There is over a thousand people in the Retake ME3 group. Currently 1203.

Erm, well... There's 48,636 people in the Retake ME3 group on Facebook. Makes the odds seem a little more clear.

Well, that sounds much better. I just don't go to facebook, only see it when other people are on it. There are a lot of people who don't do social networking, I remember a lot of people on these forums who don't like facebook, so that is still just a sample of the ME fans who don't like the endings.

This whole thing makes me feel like when I saw the ending to I Am Legend in theatres. I didn't read the book, but my friend explained it in detail, watched the movie, it showed the creatures huddling together and they showed emotion about one of their own being taken, making them seem more and more like people, then the end of the movie just portrays them as monsters, ignores what it showed earlier, threw in some random survivors, and BOOM, end. Almost like it did a 180. The true ending to that story was so much better.

[Red_Skye]

 Hello everyone! I haven't had the time to read over all of this thread having just found it. I am wanting to contribute any form of help I can. In saying that I'm not sure if this article has been posted here or not while this is a thread to talk about the way EA/Bioware is handling the PR work, I think this article is a must read for anyone on both sides of the debate here. 

http://www.themetaga...oblem-with.html

Also this is my first time organising myself into any form of protest and for a bit I had the thought that nothing I did could matter. But after reading the OP summary and reading all of the more highly intelligent analysis of this situation from a professional point of view. Has lit a fire under my butt, and I am currently looking into sending my N7 patch back to Bioware. While I can't give money to the cause for RME3 being a college student. I will be sending this information to all of my friends who played Mass Effect. In summary I would like to thank all of you posters in giving me hope that my opinion does in fact matter.

[shephard987]

Red_Skye wrote...

 Hello everyone! I haven't had the time to read over all of this thread having just found it. I am wanting to contribute any form of help I can. In saying that I'm not sure if this article has been posted here or not while this is a thread to talk about the way EA/Bioware is handling the PR work, I think this article is a must read for anyone on both sides of the debate here. 

http://www.themetaga...oblem-with.html

Also this is my first time organising myself into any form of protest and for a bit I had the thought that nothing I did could matter. But after reading the OP summary and reading all of the more highly intelligent analysis of this situation from a professional point of view. Has lit a fire under my butt, and I am currently looking into sending my N7 patch back to Bioware. While I can't give money to the cause for RME3 being a college student. I will be sending this information to all of my friends who played Mass Effect. In summary I would like to thank all of you posters in giving me hope that my opinion does in fact matter.

Welcome to the ranks. 
Pick your banner, and/or donate. 
Here, Your voice matters. 

Hold the Line

[Hydralysk]

Red_Skye wrote...

 Hello everyone! I haven't had the time to read over all of this thread having just found it. I am wanting to contribute any form of help I can. In saying that I'm not sure if this article has been posted here or not while this is a thread to talk about the way EA/Bioware is handling the PR work, I think this article is a must read for anyone on both sides of the debate here. 

http://www.themetaga...oblem-with.html

Also this is my first time organising myself into any form of protest and for a bit I had the thought that nothing I did could matter. But after reading the OP summary and reading all of the more highly intelligent analysis of this situation from a professional point of view. Has lit a fire under my butt, and I am currently looking into sending my N7 patch back to Bioware. While I can't give money to the cause for RME3 being a college student. I will be sending this information to all of my friends who played Mass Effect. In summary I would like to thank all of you posters in giving me hope that my opinion does in fact matter.

It's always great to find more supporters to hold the line. We can make a difference together.

[Nithe]

@Red_Skye: Welcome.

As they say, hold the line.

[atghunter]

cyrrant wrote...

atghunter wrote...

Mazzy Fex wrote...

I'm pretty new here, post wise. Just before launch I would come to these forums to see the latest news, I was so excited for this game. I started seeing topics and posts about how bad the endings are. It seemed like there were sooo many negative things to say in general, this just wasn't a pleasant place to be for me. Either way I wasn't going to believe it just like that, had to play it myself.

O, the disappointment. I've chipped in to RME3, will do so again when I can. A friend and I were sharing sentiments, and it made me realize how much this resembles a war, even the ME3 war, lol.
Thanks to ATG for the insider perspective. Kinda icky but that's why it's behind curtains I suppose~

You think that's icky.  You should have seen me as a Vegas showgirl for Wayne Newton.

Were there a lot of "faux olive branches"?

*shudders*  More than you can imagine Sir.

[Panicomatic]

That tweet from earlier upset me greatly. When I think about how ugly this whole ending business... I find myself disheartened. I've been a loyal fan and customer to BioWare and they have given me some amazing games. But I feel like the ending was such a slap in the face. And even though we have collectively raised $70K for charity, it takes just one person complaining to the FTC(which is their right as a citizen) and every couple of hours a new thread is popping up about it and articles claiming that we've "taken it too far".

Our complaints are valid. There were a lot of times in the past that BioWare employees on the record made promises about the game that they did not deliver on. Why does this constitute an almost constant attack on our character? I've been a loyal consumer to BioWare since Baldur's gate.

[joshko]

Red_Skye wrote...

 Hello everyone! I haven't had the time to read over all of this thread having just found it. I am wanting to contribute any form of help I can. In saying that I'm not sure if this article has been posted here or not while this is a thread to talk about the way EA/Bioware is handling the PR work, I think this article is a must read for anyone on both sides of the debate here. 

http://www.themetaga...oblem-with.html

Also this is my first time organising myself into any form of protest and for a bit I had the thought that nothing I did could matter. But after reading the OP summary and reading all of the more highly intelligent analysis of this situation from a professional point of view. Has lit a fire under my butt, and I am currently looking into sending my N7 patch back to Bioware. While I can't give money to the cause for RME3 being a college student. I will be sending this information to all of my friends who played Mass Effect. In summary I would like to thank all of you posters in giving me hope that my opinion does in fact matter.

Welcome to the line, please grasp the next available holding spot tightly and hold. It'll be a wild ride but very much worth it.

[AJ2324]

Best and worst endings in Games & Movies:

Some of my favorites:

Movie
LOTR
Fight Club
Inception
Gladiator
Braveheart

Game
ME 2
Fight Night Champion
Castlevania Lords of Shadow


WORST:
Mass Effect 3 Blue
Mass Effect 3 Green
Mass Effect 3 Orange/Red Whatever
Lost TV series
Dues Ex: Human Revolution

Modifié par AJ2324, 21 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[daemiendrake]

So, doing something extremely fun tommorrow. Having a sit down with GF's mom's boss(a marketing VP). Now whats funny is she saw the Retake Movement on Forbes and BBC. Then she asked my GF's mom if I played this "Mass Effect-thing". Now I get to go talk to her and have her give me a logical breakdown of why whats happening is a marketing nightmare. This ought to be fun. I will report back with whatever information/fun facts i glean.
This ex-soldier salutes you all.
SSV-Norcal Signing off.
Hold the line!

[Red_Skye]

@AJ2324
My favorite ending of all time was Cowboy Bebop. Now that was a great way to end a series. And thanks to everyone else.

[jarrettwold]

Except when his broad generalizations of what a PR strategy includes, are just wrong.  Mischaracterazations of Bioware's intent and how they're handling this are fundamentally incorrect.  If anything he's utilizing his previous PR damage control skills, on the users here.  Which bugs me.  It's a straight up, text book insurgency strategy. 

I'm all for asking for an alternate ending, criticizing it.  Giving constructive criticism.  Explaining how you feel.  After digging through days worth of tweets from just about every Bioware employee that's on twitter, they care about what they do.  They care about interacting with their customers.  They care about the community.

I've spent quality time in the past reading research papers, books and a variety of other things.  Dissecting failure of companies in customer service.  So far, they're doing everything RIGHT.  They're soliciting feedback, not clamping down on their forums, social networking or even their employees.  

If you're not looking at everything atg is saying just as critically, as the things he's "identifying" then you're doing yourself a disservice.

I will of course immediately be labeled as a corporate drone, a plant.  Some conspiracy driven thing straight out of the X-Files.  But, I'm not.  After looking at just about everything PR that they're doing, atg is just fundamentally wrong.  

I've dug through the attacks on people, employees of Bioware.  The vicious ones.  The majority aren't vicious, but the ones that are, are especially so.  Remember, the company you're targeting is staffed by people.  People that care about something they've been working on and have been breathing for the last what? 7 years?  My concern is that it's taking a huge toll on those guys.  They're human beings.  

Remember, look at what the dude is actually doing.  It's a straight up insurgency strat. 

vigna wrote...

ATG never gives up. He's always there. Fighting for freedom over land and air!
Hold the line.