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Interesting.
1) You attack someone's broad generalizations with a broad generalization, with no supporting facts or evidence. You say he has Bioware's intent "fundamentally incorrect." Do you assert that you have a personal insight into Bioware's intent? How? What is it?
2) You present a list of quick qualifications which you load with slanted language - quality times, dissecting failures! - which again have no meat to them. They are basically "look kid, I'm an expert: trust me."
3) Even better, atg has explained - and I think many of us are already quite aware - how "listening" is really used to stall for time. Closing threads left and right is inflammatory; you'd have to be *really* incompetent to respond this way. No, you take criticism of the response, repeat it, and add "this is doing everything right!" to it. Very GoodSpeak of you.
4) You immediately deflect any potential criticism with a classic "Of course, if you disagree with me you must be calling me a drone or a plant," and equate any doubt in your dogma as being equivalent to some nutjob X-Files conspiracist.
5) You're doing everything you accuse atg of doing, except with less content.
6)You ask us to "examine his statements with a critical eye," but preemptively ridicule critical examination of yourself as being "some conspiracy thing from the X-files."
I call shenanigans.
My reason for posting this loudly, angrily and aggressively in this forum is that when people disagree, they're beaten into the ground by an angry mob. It may be a civil angry mob, but it remains an angry mob. The retake movement has been positive, constructive and honest. This particular angle of attack, in this thread, on Bioware is not.
1) Because, facts and evidence aren't needed to dismiss his broad generalizations. It's self evident. I mean really look at it. It could apply to just about anyone to anything, including dating. What he's pitching is intended to incite and inflame. What throws me is how intellectually insulting his argument is to you and everyone else on this forum.
As far as Bioware's intentions? I have spent the last week, every day (I have the time right now) going back at least a year, digging through all of their twitter accounts, posts on forums, press, press releases and have come to a variety of conclusions.
(speaking from a comp sci/psych dual major perspective, and past management experience)
They care about their jobs. They're in no way trying to "silence" the retake movement. They're certainly trying to steer the conversation to a constructive place (you can only be told "oh the ending sucks" so many times before you start asking "why do you think it sucks?". It is abundantly clear they care about each other, which is amazing when it comes to workplaces. Their leadership is receptive and supportive of their employees. They want to do the right thing by their customers. Most importantly they are actively meeting about thinking hard about this. All in all, by far not the evil ubermensch that atg is hinting at.
2) And that's exactly what atghunter is doing. Even if he did have a job performing PR ninja work, it certainly doesn't make him right, good at his job, or qualified in any manner. My assertion and claim to valid knowledge is the exact same as his.
3) No, listening means they're listening. It's two weeks after a release. They want feedback. Bioware's history is predicated on listening to feedback and re-incorporating it back into games. That's evident from their past. So they're going to need that time to digest and analyze that feedback.
4) See #3
5) I don't need the additional content. It's simply self evident.
6) And that's exactly what he did, the line is buried in his response, but he questions my intent and then makes a nice quiet allusion as to what my 'real purposes' were for posting. Ergo, begging the question.
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