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[awwnuts07]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

I'm a dummy. Left my laptop charger at work so I wouldn't be tempted to you know work at home, so now my computer just died write as I was finishing a reply. Writing on my phone. I guess that means it's time to go to sleep

Be well my community friends. I will continue lurking but I imagine this thread will have shifted to other things by the time I wake up. Again, I have no intention to make you change your mind about the endings or how you feel but I hope this was useful for both sides to talk as equals for a little while. I value this community and I'd be damned if I'd ever go this far as the community manager for any other studio.

You guys make me proud to work for you

Night for me! I should go.

Can't tell if sincere or another PR trick. 

Better be safe. Tin foil hat engaged. 

[xdognatex]

Here is my take on the ending. Not only was there not much closure, it just didnt make much sense (if it was a dream or indoctrination bravo could be kinda cool, im leaning toward thinking they didnt intend for this tho). The lack of dialog and choices at the end were just plan weird and out of place for the game. I dont want a happy ending just one that makes sense/brings some closure to the story.

I think they should do something to fix it, mabye not change it but add to it or something because its just a horrible way to end such a good series and the sad thing is despite the 3 games being so good as time goes on the ending will be what most people remember about the series and well its not going to be a fond memory for most.

I know people are saying not to change the endings, thats its art and its their game. Thats all fine and dandy, but on the same note im a consumer, if that is the stance bioware/EA takes. Im fine with it, BUT on the same note as a consumer i have the right to say fine you want to take that stance, well then my wallet is closed to you till you fix it. Money speaks louder than words and ill be letting EA/Bioware know how i feel with my wallet, they wont get a dime from me till they change or fix the ending If they dont want to change or fix it thats fine, they have every right not too, but they have lost me as a customer.

You want Bioware/EA to listen tell them with your wallet, their ears will start to perk up real fast.

[Siegdrifa]

darkreed wrote...

Just found this..

http://www.escapistm...-Ending-Scandal

Did the guy actualy worked on RPG where we have differente choices for different outcome? where all those choices are said NON-canon by the dev team ?
It's not like BioSchock is a model of choices in the story...

I think the guy is actualy sh*ting his pants that if fan are numerous enough to impact their futur finacial market, the stockhold of the group (those who expect money from their investement and don't give a damn about art) would step in and ask to make a product more in line to those who sells a lot and a popular.

ME3 case is not commun, this is not just A game, this is a 5 years interactive adventure, no book or movie can compet that because they are not ineractive, they are passive and it make a BIG difference in the potential to make it evolve and end it.

Also... Broken Steel did it, and it didn't seem it was bad for the fan who asked for it nor the dev who worked seriously on it.
So, mister BioShock creator... thanks for your bulls*it but... not thanks.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 21 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[Michotic]

Smokey38555 wrote...

CyberneticGHOST wrote...

Should add this to the Parody/Satire list

I LOVED this! The best one I have seen yet! LMAO!

Awesome vid! You know something is wrong when George Carlin and Alec Guinness come back from the dead to say something is wrong.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[Darkeus]

Oh, I see. Jessica M. posted here. Why is it that everytime an EA/Bioware employee post here, these huge fissures open up in this group. It is like some of us are just eager for EA/Bioware to say anything and forget what the company's goal is here.

And that goal is to create fissures and arguments. It works every time. Come on people!

Modifié par Darkeus, 21 mars 2012 - 02:44 .

[Dalis918]

Well, regardless of what others fall by the way-side, I'm sticking to my views. If they can't fix the ending, I know I won't bother to continue my expansion of bioware/EA games because there will be no point or reason, afterall they will have proven they simply do not care about their players as much as they say they do.

[spacefiddle]

Tirranek wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

So you don't think citing one bad example out of 300 pages of thoughtful discussion as a reason to write off "a group" is unreasonable?  That's the thing about something being public, man - you get the public

The latest example, true, but certainly not the only one. I'm happy to agree and support those who have made calm and sensible responses to all this, which to be fair is  the majority. It's just the low-ends of this discussion make it very hard to support as any sort of unified effort.

@cApAc aMaRu

No. Failing to acknowledge or even seem to consider that someone might be saying something without trying to screw you. Dimissing any and all points said by someone because their position makes them 'the enemy'. Turning what has been said in to what you are actively trying to read it as. Victimising your position and using it to further your point at the expense of moving things along in any sort of positive way. That's what I object to. Your reasons are legitimate.

Well said.  Yeah, point taken.  Don't get discouraged, though I fully understand your wariness of groupthink.  Warts, trolls, flames and all, it's why I like this sort of loosely overlapping ad-hoc gathering of similar concerns FAR more than some lockstep, keep to the talking points organized hierarchy.  I'd rather run the risk of having to ask someone to be not a jerk than run the risk of stifling or censoring people because they aren't an Official Spokesbeing.

[spacefiddle]

awwnuts07 wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

I'm a dummy. Left my laptop charger at work so I wouldn't be tempted to you know work at home, so now my computer just died write as I was finishing a reply. Writing on my phone. I guess that means it's time to go to sleep

Be well my community friends. I will continue lurking but I imagine this thread will have shifted to other things by the time I wake up. Again, I have no intention to make you change your mind about the endings or how you feel but I hope this was useful for both sides to talk as equals for a little while. I value this community and I'd be damned if I'd ever go this far as the community manager for any other studio.

You guys make me proud to work for you

Night for me! I should go.

Can't tell if sincere or another PR trick. 

Better be safe. Tin foil hat engaged. 

MIT published a study that shows tinfoil actually attenutates frequencies used by government broadcasts.
:innocent:

[MeldarthX]

Tirranek wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

mattynutz wrote...

Awesome stuff

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Blah Blah, don't pick things apart

Totally agree. Sick of being told how we should behave to live up to THEIR expectations.

It was a request, at most. And 'their' expectations are shared by more than just people at Bioware. Behaviour like that is the main reason I have no desire, at all, to be a part of this group.

That is understandable - but you need to also understand while I like and respect Jessica - what she did was Pure PR - nothing more; nothing less.  That is her job - she's trying to get the pressure off BW - give them breathing room.

I'm sorry - but we as digruntled customers and consumers don't have to give them; nor should we.  Emotions are running high because of the passion we all share for this universe we all helped create.

For the most point - everyone here is civil and respectful toward BW - the fact is we don't hate BW - we hate the ending of ME3. 

Second - corps honestly only  care about their customers when they are not buying their products.  Long as they ae getting people to buy things - they could care less if the customer is happy or sad.  That's not their job - their job is to get you to buy their stuff.

When you get 1 unhappy customer - you will work harder to make that customer as its already been proven - once the customer is happy with your stuff; you don't have to work that hard to sell them the next time; but to get a new customer  you have to spend 4 to 100 times more to get them to actually buy your item.

This is why repeat customers are so important.  Now multiply unhappy customers into the 100 thousands; possibly millions........

Its a PR nightmare - they are on full damage control as much as possible because they are gathering as much data as they can.  They are sitting in meetings right - coming up which will cost more if they don't have the real endings already; that's another theory but I won't get into that.  I will just discuss if BW doesn't have real endings held back.

If they don't; it simply comes down to money - which will cost BW more - lost customer and ride out the storm or create a expanded ending.  They will be gathering all the data- from sells and now returns - are sells dropping out - are people on origin?  who's playing multplayer. 

This will also come into the fact of - are other departments getting hit by this; TOR; DA - they are its ripple effect on what they are doing.

This takes time - but the numbers are becoming very clear - No AAA title has its sells drop like ME3 like it has in UK - discounts already after 2 weeks?  Again unheard of - major news are now looking at this story.

BW/EA are under a lot of pressure - they will try every trick in the book to get any sort of release.

Only way to get ending - expanded ending - is to make it so painful for the company not to do it. I know this does make some unconfortable - but we got to look at facts - if we don't - we'll fail.

We've come too far; too fast to fail - keep the questions going to BW - emails - tweets - word of mouth.  Talk with people that like the ending - find out why - explain our side - if you convert them also into supports that will take even more wind out BW's sails.  Keep writing the news to get them to fairly report on us; and to do follow up; write consumer groups to get them to do their take on things.......

There is no try - There is only DO or DO NOT

I choose DO

HOLD THE LINE

[SpiritReaver72]

Siegdrifa wrote...

darkreed wrote...

Just found this..

http://www.escapistm...-Ending-Scandal

Did the guy actualy worked on RPG where we have differente choices for different outcome? where all those choices are said NON-canon by the dev team ?
It's not like BioSchock is a model of choices in the story...

I think the guy is actualy sh*ting his pants that if fan are numerous enough to impact their futur finacial market, the stockhold of the group (those who expect money from their investement and don't give a damn about art) would step in and ask to make a product more in line to those who sells a lot and a popular.

ME3 case is not commun, this is not just A game, this is a 5 years interactive adventure, no book or movie can compet that because they are not ineractive, they are passive and it make a BIG difference in the potential to make it evolve and end it.

Also... Broken Steel did it, and it didn't seem it was bad for the fan who asked for it nor the dev who worked seriously on it.
So, mister BioShock creator... thanks for your bulls*it but... not thanks.

The Hydrophobia team changed their whole game around based on fan and critical reaction. It happens. And I'm sure when J.K. Rowling went to her editor with her manuscript changes were made. It's been said before but I'll say it again. If ME3 were a movie and that ending was screen tested it never would have shipped out. This isnt a simple issue and I really don't want to distill it that way. That's one of the really greatt hings about this medium. It really straddles that line between art and entertainment, product and point of view. I'm sure plenty of people who don't have skin in this game are watching and enjoying it because this whole issue is bringing up some pretty interesting philosophical discussions.

[GriffinXP]

RagingCeltik wrote...

It really isn't our place to give them ideas on how to end it.   That's why they hire writers.    I think one of two things happened: either the indoctrination theory is true in a sense and we haven't seen the real ending yet as they're blowing smoke all over.  

Or.

The heads of development and/or writing had an idea that they thought would be frackin' awesome and went ahead and did it without any real testing or input on the idea.   Because I just cannot imagine anyone during development did not raise their hand and ask, "Why does this ending remind me of a donkey show?"

I'd imagine that even donkey shows have thrilling 'conclusions'.

Modifié par GriffinXP, 21 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[cApAc aMaRu]

Tirranek wrote...

So you don't care that EA and Bioware's responses consist of telling us to calm down, get a refund, wait for a patch, don't pick on their PR, tell them what we liked, its done when its done, its all just a misunderstanding. This is acceptable to you? I'm a 'low-end' for standing up for my rights as a consumer? Its apologists like you that perpetuate this horrible corporate behaviour, by buying up product and not only refusing to hold anyone accountable but vilifying those who speak out in justified anger and disappointment.

from above:

@cApAc aMaRu

No.
Failing to acknowledge or even seem to consider that someone might be
saying something without trying to screw you. Dimissing any and all
points said by someone because their position makes them 'the enemy'.
Turning what has been said in to what you are actively trying to read it
as. Victimising your position and using it to further your point at the
expense of moving things along in any sort of positive way. That's what
I object to. Your reasons are legitimate.

Now then:

You're assuming a lot about my position on this. I believe that there can be a position where your voice is heard and your statements are clear without such behaviour. Look at this thread and you'll see examples of obviously upset fans voicing their opinions and anger a what has happened, but they do it rationally. Yes, frankly, I think being told to 'not pick on PR' is a reasonable thing to request from the community. What do such actions possibly achieve beyond making someone feel victimised and less inclined to empathise with your views? I think points of disagreement should be highlighted and challenged as necessary, but picking apart someone's appeal to not be suspicious of everything that is said solves nothing, fixes nothing, adds NOTHING to what's going on. If any sort of positive situation is desired, such behaviour is counter to that. 

I don't need to ASSUME Bioware is trying to screw me, the evidence is right there on my shelf. A game I paid good money for and can't play speaks for itself.
Didn't see many points. Saw a lot of padding, and some thinly veiled criticism and confusion. I'm not happy that the executives are putting employees in this kind of position. I know how it feels to be criticised about a project. I also know that THEIR FEELINGS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE CONTRACT OF SALES THAT PASSED BETWEEN US.
I stand by what I have said. I disagree strongly that I have twisted anyones words.
WE ARE VICTIMS.
Tell me how I am preventing the current flow of events, please, I'm interested.

Telling people not to be suspicious, in a situation that DEMANDS suspicion and scrutiny, is in and of itself suspicious. If she came in here and said "I can understand why you are picking apart everything, I promise we are doing our best" thats one thing. Telling us that we SHOULDN'T be suspicious and critical of the organisation that GOT US TO THIS POINT IN THE FIRST PLACE is LUDICROUS.

I'll tell you right now what behaviour is counter to the well being of everyone who purchased this game. ANYONE who apologises on their behalf, anyone who tells you we shouldn't boycott products, or make our voices heard, anyone who heaps praise on Bioware staff for providing anything less than what is REQUIRED.

You can bow and scrape, and hope if you like. I'll make my demands with as much restraint as I can muster for any entity that betrays me right at the finish line after 5 years.

[MeldarthX]

wicked_being wrote...

So guys what do you think of this?

https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

That's pure PR deflect and try to turn negatives out hehe this was discussed about 50 pages ago - but still good to bring things up.

This is why you're seeing the tweets trying to talk about anything else - but they are still flooded with Love the game - hate the ending.......

I haven't been answerd on the face implant bug - there is a lot of the community that won't play until that's fixed - its a major bug

[lanep25]

darkreed wrote...

Just found this..

http://www.escapistm...-Ending-Scandal

They certainly don't give the impression to have played the game to the end.
What if Michelangelo had painted Adam and God as stick figures in the Sistine Chapel? Would that be okay?
What if JRR Tolkien wrote the Lord of the Rings up until the destruction of the One ring and then... that was it. No conclusion. Would that be okay?
What if the Return of the Jedi concluded when Vader threw the Emperor down the shaft of the 2nd Death Star... and that was it. No conclusion whatsover. Would that be okay?
These game "artists" whine about not wanting the wants of the gamers influence in the creation of their games. Who are they creating these games for then?

Modifié par lanep25, 21 mars 2012 - 03:19 .

[Iucounou]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

I don't need to ASSUME Bioware is trying to screw me, the evidence is right there on my shelf. A game I paid good money for and can't play speaks for itself.
Didn't see many points. Saw a lot of padding, and some thinly veiled criticism and confusion. I'm not happy that the executives are putting employees in this kind of position. I know how it feels to be criticised about a project. I also know that THEIR FEELINGS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE CONTRACT OF SALES THAT PASSED BETWEEN US.
I stand by what I have said. I disagree strongly that I have twisted anyones words.
WE ARE VICTIMS.
Tell me how I am preventing the current flow of events, please, I'm interested.

Telling people not to be suspicious, in a situation that DEMANDS suspicion and scrutiny, is in and of itself suspicious. If she came in here and said "I can understand why you are picking apart everything, I promise we are doing our best" thats one thing. Telling us that we SHOULDN'T be suspicious and critical of the organisation that GOT US TO THIS POINT IN THE FIRST PLACE is LUDICROUS.

I'll tell you right now what behaviour is counter to the well being of everyone who purchased this game. ANYONE who apologises on their behalf, anyone who tells you we shouldn't boycott products, or make our voices heard, anyone who heaps praise on Bioware staff for providing anything less than what is REQUIRED.

You can bow and scrape, and hope if you like. I'll make my demands with as much restraint as I can muster for any entity that betrays me right at the finish line after 5 years.

I'm with you on this one. Everything about this fiasco stinks like week old kippers.

[cApAc aMaRu]

MeldarthX wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

So guys what do you think of this?

https://twitter.com/...188923588579329

That's pure PR deflect and try to turn negatives out hehe this was discussed about 50 pages ago - but still good to bring things up.

This is why you're seeing the tweets trying to talk about anything else - but they are still flooded with Love the game - hate the ending.......

I haven't been answerd on the face implant bug - there is a lot of the community that won't play until that's fixed - its a major bug

Yes it is. We've had no Bioware staff post in the face import thread for over 2 weeks. Its funny how everyone says they love the game, hate the ending, but 5400 posts in the face import thread, people who either haven't played, have tried to play and given up because they can't connect with Shepard, or have given in and made new faces, or used the defaults, isn't enough to get us any of the media spotlight. This is a core feature of the series. Its one of the reasons I bought Mass Effect on day one. What a fool I was.

[WangGozinya]

Great post

Hold the line...

[SpiritReaver72]

[/quote]

I don't need to ASSUME Bioware is trying to screw me, the evidence is right there on my shelf. A game I paid good money for and can't play speaks for itself.
Didn't see many points. Saw a lot of padding, and some thinly veiled criticism and confusion. I'm not happy that the executives are putting employees in this kind of position. I know how it feels to be criticised about a project. I also know that THEIR FEELINGS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE CONTRACT OF SALES THAT PASSED BETWEEN US.
I stand by what I have said. I disagree strongly that I have twisted anyones words.
WE ARE VICTIMS.
Tell me how I am preventing the current flow of events, please, I'm interested.

Telling people not to be suspicious, in a situation that DEMANDS suspicion and scrutiny, is in and of itself suspicious. If she came in here and said "I can understand why you are picking apart everything, I promise we are doing our best" thats one thing. Telling us that we SHOULDN'T be suspicious and critical of the organisation that GOT US TO THIS POINT IN THE FIRST PLACE is LUDICROUS.

I'll tell you right now what behaviour is counter to the well being of everyone who purchased this game. ANYONE who apologises on their behalf, anyone who tells you we shouldn't boycott products, or make our voices heard, anyone who heaps praise on Bioware staff for providing anything less than what is REQUIRED.

You can bow and scrape, and hope if you like. I'll make my demands with as much restraint as I can muster for any entity that betrays me right at the finish line after 5 years.


[/quote]

Speaking as a salesman who's had to tow the company line no one hates having to do that more than the employee being forced too. So on one hand what we're getting is sincere, in which case you need to calm down. On the other you have someone who's being forced to say something that is probably contrary to what that person wants to say, regardless if they are in agreement with us. Either way going after them does nothing but hurt you. You want as many people in your corner as possible. You can disagree and still be civil about it, you don't need to be angry at them. That's just a super quick way to get someone who could have been an ally now looking to do whatever they can to keep you from getting what you want.

Modifié par SpiritReaver72, 21 mars 2012 - 03:04 .

[awwnuts07]

spacefiddle wrote...

awwnuts07 wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

I'm a dummy. Left my laptop charger at work so I wouldn't be tempted to you know work at home, so now my computer just died write as I was finishing a reply. Writing on my phone. I guess that means it's time to go to sleep

Be well my community friends. I will continue lurking but I imagine this thread will have shifted to other things by the time I wake up. Again, I have no intention to make you change your mind about the endings or how you feel but I hope this was useful for both sides to talk as equals for a little while. I value this community and I'd be damned if I'd ever go this far as the community manager for any other studio.

You guys make me proud to work for you

Night for me! I should go.

Can't tell if sincere or another PR trick. 

Better be safe. Tin foil hat engaged. 

MIT published a study that shows tinfoil actually attenutates frequencies used by government broadcasts.
:innocent:

NOOOOOOOO!!!! *Rips off hat*

Seriously. I want an official statement from BW. I'm part of the group who would be labeled "lurker turned participant because of sh!tty ending".

Can't BW be adults about the situation and give us a straight answer? I hate people who give me the runaround.

It's not that hard. I just want to hear one of two things:

"Yes, we're changing it"

or

"No, F*CK OFF"  

If "yes", then I start throwing money in their general direction. If "no", I thank BW for their brilliant catalogue prior to DA2 (I liked the game, but it was so far below DA:O) and peace the hell out. 

See, not that hard at all. Take too long and I won't give a f*ck regardless of their answer. I'll already have taken my money elsewhere. Bioware knows they aren't the only great RPG makers in town, right?

Modifié par awwnuts07, 21 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Perddyy]

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ Just noticed this on facebook.

[cApAc aMaRu]

Perddyy wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ Just noticed this on facebook.

How am I supposed to give them input if I can't even play it with my Shepard?

[Humanwreck]

What has happened in the last 28 pages? I just had something to post so I jumped ahead. I read that Jessica has graced us with her presence what was discussed?

So what I was actually going to come post was that a magazine here in Finland has talked about what we´re trying to acomplish http://www.pelaajale...lle-kauppakomis

There´s the article to the ones that understand finnish but I´ll translate

"The fight about Mass Effect 3:s endings continues: Ea reported to the FTC

The fight  about the endings is accelerating. Fans have for days now complained at Bioware about how the endings don´t have closure about all the things you´ve done since the series began. Many have demanted that Bioware fix this by updating the game with new endings

Now atleast one fan has taken it to the next level by complaining to the Federal Trade Commission. The fan accuses the publisher of false advertisement and informs that he is not happy with Ea and Bioware hasn´t reacted to the fans complaints.

Mass Effect 3 isn´t the only game or other form of entertainment that has been marketed with overshooting claims. "

So yeah atleast they have the reason we are unhappy correct. Too bad it had to be a article about the guy with the FTC. I´m happy to say that the comment section did actually have a lot of the same points that we are saying here and actually links to some of the threads here at BSN.

It´s cool that the whole patch thing catched on so that the one I send on monday morning finnish time isn´t the only one they are getting.

I also wrote a humorous version of Green Days Wake me up when september ends now have to just record it with a pre-song disclaimer that this is to be taken with humor and it has nothing to do with Retake Mass Effect so it won´t cause any backlash here if it doesn´t go over too well. The song is going to be called "Hold the line, until this BS ends"

[jarrettwold]

spacefiddle wrote...
. Don't get discouraged, though I fully understand your wariness of groupthink. Warts, trolls, flames and all, it's why I like this sort of loosely overlapping ad-hoc gathering of similar concerns FAR more than some lockstep, keep to the talking points organized hierarchy. I'd rather run the risk of having to ask someone to be not a jerk than run the risk of stifling or censoring people because they aren't an Official Spokesbeing.

And this... allow me to more clearly articulate my points, while handing me the perfect example to frame it in.

This thread is the antithesis of clearly communicated, articulated and explained grievances. It runs counter to every successful movement for change in that it accomplishes nothing to advance communal dialog to a resolution. It's negatively impacting the retake movement by launching fusillades of poorly constructed arguments and paranoid conspiracy theories.

Anyone who differs is labeled a "troll", "wart" or "flaming." It's negatively impacting and dividing the community, while alienating people like me who do want an alternative ending. Threads like these also serve to alienate mass media, bloggers, gamers and third parties alike. The very people that you want to carry the cause look to this, shrug their shoulders and when writing articles start framing people as "entitled."

If atg, or anyone else in this thread truly understood PR, this thread would have never shown up or have been perpetuated. It would have been spanked down and rejected by the community as counterproductive. If the people you want flexibility and respect from are showered with stones as soon as they arrive, you're not going to get it. If anything this is bullying.

This is why Bioware is responding far better to retake. It's not because retake are lockstep, or engaged in "groupthink." It's because they're internalizing and utilizing tried and true mechanisms to accomplish change. They are doing something, as opposed to ranting about how they've been "screwed" "ripped off" etc... Retake has 50K people on Facebook, localizing their dialog into foreign languages, have launched a twitter account, have a clear mission statement and are reaping the rewards by doing so.

I hate it when I look at something like this and realize that the damage being done here in terms of sympathy and advocacy from Bioware's community outreach folks is enormous. You can't negotiate or sympathize with angry mob, if you're their target. That is what this thread has become.

[Gespenst]

mattynutz wrote...

Interesting tweet from Jessica Merizan:

" thanks! And people who are happy about something rarely discuss it. They just enjoy it :)"

This is total cognitive dissonance. It's just patently false. When people are happy about something they can't shut up about it. Just like when I couldn't shut up about ME after I played 1 & 2 and up until the Cerberus base assault in 3. I talked about it non stop.

That's what it was like for me, I was singing the game's praises from the rooftops ... until I finished it.

I wrote...

And now I'm holding the line

Turbotanden wrote...

That poll cannot reflect my opinion. I thought the ending was awesomely brilliant (after I finished being mad for not realisin I was indoctrinated). But now I want the rest of the ending.

That occurred to me too, "this ending would be quite a coup for Bioware... if only they hadn't forgotten to put the rest of it in!"

Rulycar wrote...

The biggest problem I have with indoctrination ...
... if fans can edit together "proof" of indoctrination
... then BioWare could have as well.
Guess what?
... they didn't.

"... grasping at emergency induction ports ..." --someone

What are you talking about? The evidence that the indoctrination theory is based off is in the game. Not sure what you're saying about editing there.

Check out the first link in my signature if you haven't already. I don't think for a moment that this is actually what happened - but it could provide Bioware a way out if they wanted to make an ending that wasn't an insult to the series they created, reject the star child and segue into a proper ending.

A DA:O style epilogue would be nice too - at the moment that would read:

SPOILER

Garrus and Tali quickly starved to death on the planet they crashed on, everyone else tried to settle down and start new lives there, their great-grandchildren eventually died of various complications arising from industrial strength  inbreeding and Liara spent the next 700 years alone slowly going insane. Everyone living in the same system as a mass relay blew the hell up - and that's about 96% of everyone everywhere. Civilization collapsed and no one lived happily ever after.

THE END

[Hobbs1975]

Perddyy wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ Just noticed this on facebook.

That's definitely better than the Hudson PR statement, but it still seems like they don't get it.  They want it all to go away and believe it is a tiny minority.