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[Lucypo0n]

A little motivation for continuing to hold the line: http://i.imgur.com/3Qq6U.jpg

[cApAc aMaRu]

Tirranek wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

I don't approach everything with suspicion, skepticism, and cynicism, but in this case I have been on an increasing curve of suspicion, skepticism and cynicism since Bioware were bought out by EA. So far I feel they have all been justified.

So you've been of this opinion since late 2007?

Hard not to be skeptical about ANY developer being absorbed into EA.

[Craven1138]

Bachuck wrote...

Dr. Ray Muzyka wrote...
On one hand, [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">some ][/b][/color] are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree[b] that the game as a whole is exceptional...

<snip>

I see Bioware is still playing the PR game. 

And I see big middle finger, not PR. This is the worst, the most insulting BioWare move since whole controversy started.

[karlchen]

QwibQwib wrote...

Seriously people, stop being so rude. You gain NOTHING from bad mouthing anyone.

Full ACK!

Rude language helps no one!!!!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Mister Mida wrote...

Having read Muzyka's response, I'm not that impressed. They have been figuring out how to 'adress the issues' for quite a while now. It's also kinda futile of him to wave with critics ratings that undoubtly don't address the issues with the ending or wave it away as not a big deal. In case the doc didn't notice, lots of people like most of the game save the ending. So once again, I don't get why he uses the ratings as some kind of counter argument.

But as usual I keep a wait-and-see approach.

Very well said.  Bioware has a history of lying to us if we give up because of something they say instead of something they release we will lose.  I know it is hard but if they stop talking,if they sale new ending DLC is coming,or if they say it is not please don't stop holding the line we have made a huge impact but if we give up before new endings DLC is released we will lose.  Don't throw all your hard work away,hold the line until they have to release endings and a patch to fix it so SP doewn't require multiplayer.  

Oh and Bioware please I play games because they make me happy not depressed and I have posted and emailed to you some very good reasons why if you make some choices in the series a happy ending make dramatic sense.  You don't have to get rid of the bleak endings just make one of the ending options happy like Mass Effect 2's. Let Shepard walk off hand in ahnd withn his LI if that is what we choose and leave the Mass Realys intact so that the peace we have made between races means something other then a few numbers in one battle.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.bioware.com/group/7102/

Thank you for your time.

[Xandax]

Bachuck wrote...

Dr. Ray Muzyka wrote...
On one hand, [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">some ][/b][/color] are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree[b] that the game as a whole is exceptional...

<snip>

I see Bioware is still playing the PR game. 

Considering the ME3 ending and DA2 .... it's also the game they're best at currently it seems.

Why should we also trust them when they are in a habit of saying wrong stuff to get us to buy their products? Give us actual information and not just PR wishwash trying to downplay the scale fo this.

Modifié par Xandax, 21 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[spacefiddle]

Perddyy wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ Just noticed this on facebook.

"As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very
proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best
work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback
from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their
expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the
high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we
need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility."

Between this opening statement, and the tentative scheduling of news in April, I'm a lot happier than I was 5 minutes ago.  I'm glad he recognizes that nearly all of us have praised the game as a whole, and admits that, yes, they were honestly surprised at the reactions.  Whatever the reason for that surprise, it's good to see it acknowleged.

I think this statement means they're making progress on deciding what to do next (otherwise they would not commit to a time frame even as large as "in April").  No one likes to see crap thrown at their people, which is where the mention of negativity comes in.  He's right to address it, because all the people spewing flames need to read that and cut it the !!!! out.

He cites, several times, how involved the players are in building this story.  I think they're reconciling with themselves the disconnect between that history with the series, and the passivity of the ending.

Of course I want more info.  Of course I'd like a more positive mention.  That doesn't diminish the goodness of this statement, midweek and on his own prompting.  Especially so in light of Jess' recent comments on how the execs craft and publish their own personal statements, I hope everyone can see this as the positive thing it is.

[Tirranek]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

I don't approach everything with suspicion, skepticism, and cynicism, but in this case I have been on an increasing curve of suspicion, skepticism and cynicism since Bioware were bought out by EA. So far I feel they have all been justified.

So you've been of this opinion since late 2007?

Hard not to be skeptical about ANY developer being absorbed into EA.

You didn't answer my question.

[Livein]

Baby steps guys, baby steps.
EA/BW can call us 'vocal minority' even though they well are aware that's not the point. You think Dr. Muzyka would adress this issue otherwise? Stay calm and civil, keep the pressure and I'm positive that we will be able to play our beloved sci-fi trilogy the way it should be from the beginning.

Modifié par Livein, 21 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[NPH11]

Read through the doctor's statement.

It's truly impressive how they manage to say so little when they say so much. I wish I was that good.

I'm still cautiously optimistic that change will come, but these constant PR statements really mean nothing until something definitive is said.

Modifié par NPH11, 21 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[cApAc aMaRu]

Xandax wrote...

Bachuck wrote...

Dr. Ray Muzyka wrote...
On one hand, [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">some ][/b][/color] are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree[b] that the game as a whole is exceptional...

<snip>

I see Bioware is still playing the PR game. 

Considering the ME3 ending and DA2 .... it's also the game they're best at currently it seems.

Why should we also trust them when they are in a habit of saying wrong stuff to get us to buy their products? Give us actual information and not just PR wishwash trying to downplay the scale fo this.

In today's news, game developer Bioware, after fan outrage at broken promises, has been re-purposed within EA as its new PR department.

[Damate]

Bachuck wrote...

Dr. Ray Muzyka wrote...
On one hand, [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">some ][/b][/color] are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree[b] that the game as a whole is exceptional...

<snip>

I see Bioware is still playing the PR game. 

Ok, the wording there is a little misleading, but not entirely inaccurate. How many of the complaints regarding the ending have been preceeded by something like "95%" "90%" "98% of the game was fantastic! and then I got to the end...." -- I know that's along the lines of how may correspondence with BW has gone. I think that's what he was referencing: The idea that many did enjoy most of the game - a huge portion of the game. To expect the CEO to follow it up with "But then our ending ruined it all for many players" is unrealistic. Is it PR? Sure, but it isn't "Evil 'THE MAN' PR" -- he's trying to address concerns while still backing up his company and employees. Like IchikoSakura pointed out, it would be bad form for a CEO to come out and bash his own employees. Bioware is a business, to expect them to suddenly throw good business sense to the wayside - including PR actions - would be unrealistic at the very least.

I don't know what they'll come up with. I don't know if it'll be satisfactory. I really don't. But I see the blog post as at least an attempt to let us know that 'just listening' also involves 'working on initiatives' -- that much is good to hear. I don't think we should all call a resounding victory and 'abandon our posts' but I do think it means there's the hope of progress in the right direction.

[Lugaidster]

Danilo Luis wrote...

@Jessica Merizan
I have but one question for you. As a fan of the series, did you enjoy the ending?
This is just what bugs me, to be honest, because I really mean it when I say that ME 3 ending didn't juts screw my experience with this franchise, but video gaming in overall. And this is a shared feeling. Never before I took the job of actually engage in this kind of discussion. NEVER. But I had never spent over 1500 dollars on a product, like I did in ME 3 (I bought a new pc just to play it).

It's not a matter of opinion anymore, and you are lying when you say it is. The ending ARE bad, despite the fact of the bad writing, they didn't follow the narrative course that we expected for ME. There is an unnecessary shift right before the final scene that it's clearly a huge mistake.

I can't believe that, coming from people who actually are professionals, they can keep talking about this issue as if thinking that the ending are bad it's a matter of opinion. No, it's not. People who actually enjoy it, at least here in the community, are those who actually don't spent enough time thinking about it, or don't know the lore that well. Take a look at their posts. They don't even try to defend their point of veil.

You guys from Bioware are liars! You made promises that you just didn't accomplished. Unfortunately, I live in Brazil. $60 bucks it's a huge amount of money for me. And what to say about the other $1400 I spent with a new computer? The moment I finished ME 2 I start to save money for a new PC. I preorded this crap game via origin. And I'm all but satisfied. I can't help myself but stay in this forum every single minute I'm off work. And, believe me, I'm not a sick mental bastard, or stupid, or anything (yeah, my English sucks, but it's not even my first language!).

Puff. I can't "remain civil", and I bet a lot of us that are as frustrated as I am can't either. This has gone far enough.

(P.S: when I say "Unfortunately, I live in Brazil" it's not because I don't like my country. I love it! The problem is, since I live here the only way to play ME3 in the release date is by preording it via Origin. And there is no way I can turn it back. Or else... I don't want this game anymore. Not at all.)

So you can't, for a moment, get out of your bubble and believe that other people had different expectations than you? Many don't like the ending, but that's about it. I can't, for the love of me, believe that anyone can be so narrow-minded to actually discredit anyone for liking the end.

BTW, regarding the computer thing, it sucks that you spent that amount of money on it just to get disappointed. I really feel for you on that regard because it has happened to me before. After all, I'm a PC gamer through and through (And I'm from a poor country as well). However, you bought your computer based on speculation and expectations, you can't hold it against them. It's just wrong. The game? Sure, go nuts if you like (and by the way, you can return it through origin, just contact customer service, a friend from Chile did), but you have your way out. The PC? that's just wrong.

Cheers

[cApAc aMaRu]

Tirranek wrote...

You didn't answer my question.

Try not asking questions to which you've already been given the answers.

Modifié par cApAc aMaRu, 21 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[lanep25]

Just what the hell does he mean by a “game content initiative?” Could he possibly be more vague and non-specific?

[joshko]

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
meh,he seems nicer than some others.
At the end of the day we know they are doing something to try to appease us. What that something is? Only one way to find out.
Hold the Line to April and Beyond.

[dorktainian]

The game as a whole is exceptional.

The ending is not an ending.

Massive Own goal...... Good Job.

[Xivai]

Hold the line, we will not let up until we have concrete details.

[joshko]

Lugaidster wrote...

Danilo Luis wrote...

@Jessica Merizan
I have but one question for you. As a fan of the series, did you enjoy the ending?
This is just what bugs me, to be honest, because I really mean it when I say that ME 3 ending didn't juts screw my experience with this franchise, but video gaming in overall. And this is a shared feeling. Never before I took the job of actually engage in this kind of discussion. NEVER. But I had never spent over 1500 dollars on a product, like I did in ME 3 (I bought a new pc just to play it).

It's not a matter of opinion anymore, and you are lying when you say it is. The ending ARE bad, despite the fact of the bad writing, they didn't follow the narrative course that we expected for ME. There is an unnecessary shift right before the final scene that it's clearly a huge mistake.

I can't believe that, coming from people who actually are professionals, they can keep talking about this issue as if thinking that the ending are bad it's a matter of opinion. No, it's not. People who actually enjoy it, at least here in the community, are those who actually don't spent enough time thinking about it, or don't know the lore that well. Take a look at their posts. They don't even try to defend their point of veil.

You guys from Bioware are liars! You made promises that you just didn't accomplished. Unfortunately, I live in Brazil. $60 bucks it's a huge amount of money for me. And what to say about the other $1400 I spent with a new computer? The moment I finished ME 2 I start to save money for a new PC. I preorded this crap game via origin. And I'm all but satisfied. I can't help myself but stay in this forum every single minute I'm off work. And, believe me, I'm not a sick mental bastard, or stupid, or anything (yeah, my English sucks, but it's not even my first language!).

Puff. I can't "remain civil", and I bet a lot of us that are as frustrated as I am can't either. This has gone far enough.

(P.S: when I say "Unfortunately, I live in Brazil" it's not because I don't like my country. I love it! The problem is, since I live here the only way to play ME3 in the release date is by preording it via Origin. And there is no way I can turn it back. Or else... I don't want this game anymore. Not at all.)

So you can't, for a moment, get out of your bubble and believe that other people had different expectations than you? Many don't like the ending, but that's about it. I can't, for the love of me, believe that anyone can be so narrow-minded to actually discredit anyone for liking the end.

BTW, regarding the computer thing, it sucks that you spent that amount of money on it just to get disappointed. I really feel for you on that regard because it has happened to me before. After all, I'm a PC gamer through and through (And I'm from a poor country as well). However, you bought your computer based on speculation and expectations, you can't hold it against them. It's just wrong. The game? Sure, go nuts if you like (and by the way, you can return it through origin, just contact customer service, a friend from Chile did), but you have your way out. The PC? that's just wrong.

Cheers

If she said she didn't like it she would get fired.
Not a fair question or expectation.

[SavageLycan]

Yeah, I'm still not sure what to make of the statement. Like someone a few posts up from me said; baby steps. Definitely progress, but I don't think we're where we want to be yet. Keep on keeping on, Holding the Line.

[Bunzmaster]

Dr. Muzykas blog seems (IMO) to be very neutral.

On one hand he admits there is some fixing that needs to be done, but on the other hand, look at all the amazing reviews ME3 has received!!

It reads like something that everyone can find something good or bad in it.

Like others, it bothers me that Bioware hasn't acknowledged what the Retake Mass Effect movement is about.
It's not Because ME3 had an unhappy ending or a one we just didn't agree with. It's because EVERYTHING we were promised never happened.
The ending was poorly written, laughable, and full of plotholes.

....and most importantly, our choices did not matter.

^^^ Acknowledge our concerns Bioware, and you'll be one step closer to redemption.

Our choices should matter - Hold the line!!

[oneword]

1490 wrote...
People, please don't get angry and riled up by this latest response by Bioware. See it as a good thing: you are having a great enough effect on Bioware that the founder himself has chosen to comment on it. That doesn't mean you should stop discussing or holding the line. I for one politely acknowledge and am appreciative of Dr. Ray's message, though I will continue to voice my complaints and suggestions about the ending until it is actually changed.

Exactly my thougt. Stay calm even though emotions are high. We won't accomplish anything if we give ourselves
to anger.
Hold the line!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

lanep25 wrote...

Just what the hell does he mean by a “game content initiative?” Could he possibly be more vague and non-specific?

No and that is why we can't believe him.  We have to wait until the DLC and a patch are released before ending the boycottt because bioware lies all the time.


Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.bioware.com/group/7102/

Thank you for your time.

[Grimmond]

With respect to the good Doctor's blog entry, not all art is good - look at the Turner prize winners and the rave reviews they get from professional reviewers...........

I'm just saddened that Bioware (seemingly) dropped the ball for the ending of ME3, as the rest of the game (imo) was great.

As I mentioned in another post, reviewers don't normally pay for their copies. Who should you actually get your feedback from - people who are payed to play a game for a bit then move on to the next, or people that have played the game to death and invested much time and effort (and money) in it ?

I still hope that Bioware will come good, but we shall see.

Modifié par Grimmond, 21 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[Dalis918]

While we're going for a proper ending, I want to adopt Urz. Puppy Varren. And hopefully not scale itch this time. I'm looking at you Kelly!