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[mumwaldee369]

Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.

[Lugaidster]

RedTail F22 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

thatfilmgirl wrote...

jarrettwold wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...
I think she has a point.  We do nitpick.  We tear everything into pieces and analyze the heck out of it.  I for one am going to take her advice.  I am not paranoid by nature -- rather I tend towards optimism.  I think a little optimism is not untoward right now, yes?  

And... that's why I'm ditching out on this thread.  It's like being on the bus with Shido in High School of the Dead.   

A lot of flowery dissections using imagined or absurd PR expertise, replete with prompt applause.  Dissecting every single word down to the syllable of what they're "really saying."  The with us or against us premise and reaction in the thread.  It's just tiring.

So I'm getting off the bus.  

This. I'm all for a new/more sensical ending but I think this is getting seriously out of hand. The longer this goes on, the more hostile it's getting, even with the respecting each other.

I'm taking the same stance. This is getting outta hand.

There are always going to be people in a cause who who feel taking it to the next level is necessary. Whether thats true or not is up to them and the outcome they produce. But I hope this doesn't discourage you from the RetakeME movement. Every voice is a necessity.

Even the Civil Rights movements in the US had those who felt extreme actions were required for change. Those people had to deal with their own consequences while those who remained civil did not back down because of the others and ended up achieving what they fought for. You can still stay civil. Dont let the actions of others(with or against you) dictate what you want changed if the cause is good(which it is). Thats my opinion and I hope it helps.

(Now in no way am I saying that this movement is as large or as important as the civil rights movement. Im simply using it as an example and motivator for those who may feel doubt over where this situation may lead)


Hold The Line!!

I believe movement leaders have to take a stance on the matter. Just saying stay polite isn't saying nothing. At this point you will either lose people because they don't want to be associated with certain kind of behavior or you'll lose some fring purists because the movement isn't going as fast. I want a better ending, but not at the cost treating the company as a tool. I'm not going to objectify them to get what I want.

[Carnage752]

akawa106 wrote...

I've been following this for a while, and jumping in from time to time, but there was something I was wanting to jump in and say... be it a bit off topic to the latest posts. I recently read an article ----> http://cruiseelroy.n.../03/the-ending/ and one part stood out to me and i quote

"Some fans are saying that the ending to Mass Effect 3 was so bad that it ruined the rest of the game; some say that it ruined the entire series; one poor betrayed soul said that it’s actually ruined all video games."

While I can't be entirely sure he was talking about me I know I did post or tweet or something (I don't remember my exact method of how I communicated it) online saying something to that effect. I feel like I want to get my feelings off my chest as to why I feel this way. I've been a huge gamer for practically as long as I can remember, starting with an atari. I love games, and I can be a bit obsessive with them from time to time, wanting to find out as much as I can about the lore or wtv and talking to people about it (if i know they are at all interested in games too) and it seems the last, I dunno, 6 months of my life have been dedicated to all things ME3. Reading the books, looking online for news every day, not trying to spoil anything but just looking for anything to sate my appetite for things relating to ME3. Working in the electronics dept of a store and having other co-workers around me that are gamers it gave me people to talk to about it, even though I may have came off a bit annoying at times I know because that was practically all I wanted to talk about.

Well as u could probably tell I felt extremely invested in this game/universe that is ME. The game comes out, (i actually had to be at work for the midnight release so it wasnt until much later in the night that I could even start playing it, but that was fine, I waited so long for the conclusion to the ME series what's a few more hours right) I get home stay up for hours playing the game, get up early-ish the next day and start again. I spend every free minute I had on this game, and I'm a 25 yr old that while being a gamer also likes to go out and drink with my friends and have a good time.... a lot, but this game was so good I would put off my friends. To me this was more important than going out in the real world and having real world fun with my friends, at least, I assumed, for the first playthrough.

Flash forward about a week until i beat the game, and I admit at first I was semi-satisfied... I had just thought maybe I chose the wrong choice... or maybe my galactic readiness went down before I beat the game and gave me the "bad" endings... so I went back and made all 3 choices looking at the "differences" and then searched online to see I wasnt the only one confused and dissappointed with the endings... and most of all found out that there was no other endings, save for small details, and that no matter what the end of the game just invalidated everything I had done so far in all 3 games leaving the mass effect universe ruined (in my opinion) from being expanded upon.

This one let-down was so great I felt like I had to re-evaluate my life and my interests. I mean I had so much invested in this game, so much of my life consumed by this and I thought the ending would payoff and leave me feeling satisfied but it left me feeling so empty I really just regret being interested in video games at all. I've gotten myself able to play a bit more (yes ME3) since but only under the midset that the indoctrination theory must be true, because that would make it all worth it... but lately according to updates I'm not so sure that was their intentions and I think until I get confirmation that some ending dlc is going to be release to not just clarify the endings but make our choices matter, I'm done with video games... time to find a new hobby.

Oh, one more thing too, just to emphisize with how much of a gamer I was before this I've had xbox live gold for 7 years adn my gamerscore is 37842 (not that i play games for the achievements that's just more a testiment to how many games I've played) Alright, thanks it feels better to have gotten that off my chest, and sorry for the wall of text.

It really traumatized you off all games?

I won't judge you, but from my perspective that's extreme. But I'm not you, so I'll take your word.

[Bachuck]

Darkeus wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/

This is an outside perspective of the statement Dr. Muzyka made. And I agree 100%. People can say we analyze too much and all of that but maybe you should read this article and then look at it from the article writers perspective.

We are still called a minority. It still points to the reviews. It says nothing except that the ending will be, "clarified", whatever that means. It is nice, but it is only something little....

This is a wonderful objective analysis of Ray Muzyka's statement and it's from Forbes no less.

Thank you, Darkeus for sharing this. Already added it to the OP.

[akawa106]

Carnage752 wrote...

akawa106 wrote...

I've been following this for a while, and jumping in from time to time, but there was something I was wanting to jump in and say... be it a bit off topic to the latest posts. I recently read an article ----> http://cruiseelroy.n.../03/the-ending/ and one part stood out to me and i quote

"Some fans are saying that the ending to Mass Effect 3 was so bad that it ruined the rest of the game; some say that it ruined the entire series; one poor betrayed soul said that it’s actually ruined all video games."

While I can't be entirely sure he was talking about me I know I did post or tweet or something (I don't remember my exact method of how I communicated it) online saying something to that effect. I feel like I want to get my feelings off my chest as to why I feel this way. I've been a huge gamer for practically as long as I can remember, starting with an atari. I love games, and I can be a bit obsessive with them from time to time, wanting to find out as much as I can about the lore or wtv and talking to people about it (if i know they are at all interested in games too) and it seems the last, I dunno, 6 months of my life have been dedicated to all things ME3. Reading the books, looking online for news every day, not trying to spoil anything but just looking for anything to sate my appetite for things relating to ME3. Working in the electronics dept of a store and having other co-workers around me that are gamers it gave me people to talk to about it, even though I may have came off a bit annoying at times I know because that was practically all I wanted to talk about.

Well as u could probably tell I felt extremely invested in this game/universe that is ME. The game comes out, (i actually had to be at work for the midnight release so it wasnt until much later in the night that I could even start playing it, but that was fine, I waited so long for the conclusion to the ME series what's a few more hours right) I get home stay up for hours playing the game, get up early-ish the next day and start again. I spend every free minute I had on this game, and I'm a 25 yr old that while being a gamer also likes to go out and drink with my friends and have a good time.... a lot, but this game was so good I would put off my friends. To me this was more important than going out in the real world and having real world fun with my friends, at least, I assumed, for the first playthrough.

Flash forward about a week until i beat the game, and I admit at first I was semi-satisfied... I had just thought maybe I chose the wrong choice... or maybe my galactic readiness went down before I beat the game and gave me the "bad" endings... so I went back and made all 3 choices looking at the "differences" and then searched online to see I wasnt the only one confused and dissappointed with the endings... and most of all found out that there was no other endings, save for small details, and that no matter what the end of the game just invalidated everything I had done so far in all 3 games leaving the mass effect universe ruined (in my opinion) from being expanded upon.

This one let-down was so great I felt like I had to re-evaluate my life and my interests. I mean I had so much invested in this game, so much of my life consumed by this and I thought the ending would payoff and leave me feeling satisfied but it left me feeling so empty I really just regret being interested in video games at all. I've gotten myself able to play a bit more (yes ME3) since but only under the midset that the indoctrination theory must be true, because that would make it all worth it... but lately according to updates I'm not so sure that was their intentions and I think until I get confirmation that some ending dlc is going to be release to not just clarify the endings but make our choices matter, I'm done with video games... time to find a new hobby.

Oh, one more thing too, just to emphisize with how much of a gamer I was before this I've had xbox live gold for 7 years adn my gamerscore is 37842 (not that i play games for the achievements that's just more a testiment to how many games I've played) Alright, thanks it feels better to have gotten that off my chest, and sorry for the wall of text.

It really traumatized you off all games?

I won't judge you, but from my perspective that's extreme. But I'm not you, so I'll take your word.

I mean I may eventually get over it, but right now I feel like I at least can't stomache trying to get emotionally invested in games like I used to.  It seems kinda pointless and like I'm missing out going out and living my life for something that, well from how this series ended, seems pointless and unfulfilling.

edit: and I wouldnt say it traumatized me, more that it made me re-evaluate their worth.

Modifié par akawa106, 21 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[allyon]

 First a little back ground. I stopped playing 1/2 threw the game Wed. night after the midnight release. I refuse to play the game it is broken to me. Irrevocably broken. Even with the statment we received it remains just that, broken. I dislike throwing around absolutes like that but I find myselfe unable to personify my feelings in any other way.

I will "hold the line" untill I receive what I payed for. I am a unhappy customer as many of us are. 

[Darkeus]

Bachuck wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/

This is an outside perspective of the statement Dr. Muzyka made. And I agree 100%. People can say we analyze too much and all of that but maybe you should read this article and then look at it from the article writers perspective.

We are still called a minority. It still points to the reviews. It says nothing except that the ending will be, "clarified", whatever that means. It is nice, but it is only something little....

This is a wonderful objective analysis of Ray Muzyka's statement and it's from Forbes no less.

Thank you, Darkeus for sharing this. Already added it to the OP.

No problem.  I noticed that people were divided by his statements and with Jessica M. posting here so I thought that everybody could benefit from seeing an objective breakdown of the statement, especially from a business magazine like Forbes.

[Atomic Waffle]

 atghunter wrote:


"This is the marketplace and ultimately comes down to the bottom line for EA. To claim any business can produce products with impunity to customer satisfaction is myopic and unrealistic…"


This is a brilliant point.


That said, for my part, I am willing to pay Bioware/EA for DLC that gets me the end game choices I want. Especially the option for a storyline where Shepard expunges the Reapers, gets the girl, and rides off into the sunset. But I digress. If folks like me are willing to pay for better end game DLC, that should encourage the powers-that-be to play ball with us. I really don't want to be a disgruntled customer. Mass Effect is such a great story right up to the point where you rush the Reaper transport beam, and I'd hate to see Bioware and it's customers suffer because folks were too stubborn to make things right.


Tell you what -- if Bioware/EA ever wants to release another game where the main character inevitably dies for the sake of "art", there should be a large warning label across the front of the game case that says: "Warning: Your character will die at the end of this trilogy." Then I won't buy the game. Problem solved.

[MeldarthX]

Mara281 wrote...

humes spork wrote...

DrkCntry wrote...

[...]

That is true, there is a rather large contignent of players who are very disatisified with the ending, and that, there, is a leading issue with the poll.  It doesn't take into account the level of overall disatisfaction in regards to the ending...and everyone should know that absolutes in polling is generally considered a no-no.

The issue I have is trying to downplay the FACTUAL information that 50k (or even 60k) is a minority.

[...]

Of course, you also have to factor in coverage and nonresponse biases, too. How many people may be also dissatisfied with the ending that don't know about that poll? How many people are dissatisfied with the ending that don't care to respond, or did not respond on the basis the answers were not representative of their viewpoint? I didn't respond to that poll for precisley that reason. I can name a dozen problems with that poll offhand, and 60,000 people felt strongly enough about it to participate and that alone is reason to give it careful consideration is not among them.

If I were BW/EA right now, the first thing I'd do in light of that poll is send out an actual poll capable of withstanding scientific rigor -- a ten-question Likert scale poll sent to a random selection of Origin account holders who have purchased ME3, about 10k or so (expecting a 10% response rate). Actually get some hard, numerical evidence to support the percentage of customers who are dissatisfied with the ending 

I agree. Out of the half a dozen people I know that have played ME3 all of them were extremely disappointed in the endings, but none of them come to the forums. Sending out their own official poll might help a bit, but distribution would be tricky. Not everyone signs up for the newletters (I don't), and like I said before, it seems like many people who play don't visit the forums.

Sending out a poll for them would be very easy - do it on Origin - they would then have the hard number - can't be faked.....Will they no?  because - they would no longer be able to deflect and use the term; small number - few fans.......etc...

[LeoSpike]

@akawa106

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I'm really sorry you feel that way. I can empathize. This has been the longest time I've stayed away from any game, including ME3, and I have some great games I haven't finished.

Although I'm feeling a bit let down right now I know I'll get over it. I still have my savegames and I know how I'd like my Shephard(s) to end their trilogy of sometimes life-changing decisions. But I decided I'd spend some time here with great people, discussing these issues, offering support to those who feel like I do, and then one day soon maybe I'll go back to a game I really like with a fresh attitude.

Corporate priorities, profit forecasts, and all those high-end business decisions seem in a whole other world to those of us who just enjoy immersing ourselves in a game that we control, with characters familiar to us. BioWare broke the immersion and illusion of control for us. Yes, it's a bad thing to do considering their history and attention in the past to not doing that.

I don't know about you, but I think I'll stay here a while, get some real-life entertainment watching EA and BioWare try to get out of a real life situation where we the customers have, at least for the moment, broken the company's illusion that they control what we like and don't like. Must have been a rude awakening for them. The worst part for them...they had no Marauder Shields as an option to stop the tide of unhappiness that is their current ending.

Yeah...I think I'll hang around for a while...  

Oops, must stay on topic...Mass Effect 3 has some major issues with the core gameplay that seriously affect the experience the company advertised before release. Mass Effect 3 deserves that these issues be addressed.

Modifié par LeoSpike, 21 mars 2012 - 09:15 .

[Pandoravv3]

A few things I would like to say regarding the recent post by ray (apologies if this has been said before). This is actually an extremely good message for us. Of course he isn't gonna say "holy crap we sure messed that one up, here's your new ending". The simple fact is if the shareholders get that kind of message they'll panic. As such he said basically "we're just so awesome we're adressing the minor complaints of a few fans with closure to theuir ending". This is still a huge win. As long as he says it's coming, I don't care how he spins it to save stock, I'm not out to destroy BW, just get a new ending. If he wants to spin it like it's all sunshune and rainbows exept for a few tiny percentage of fans to his shareholders, I don;t care as long as I get my damn ending. That said, what I'm gonna say next might be a tad controversial, but meh, I'll say it anyway. We as a movement need to shift tactics immediatly. We want a quality ending, not a crappy rush job. While a breif epilouge would be better then what we have now, it won't satisfy me. I want a whole new ending sequence. Therefore I say we should stop attempting to economically damage them, as we already forced them to the table. Now before anyone goes, and calls me a bot, or an EA account, might I say that many pages ago, I was one of the more vocal supporters of the 'hit them in the stocks' argument. However, right now we want them to take their time. Keep in mind I'm not saying let up. By all means, keep fighting the good fight, but shift focus to what we want in an ending. What I did get from his posts is that they are planning a quick job, that basically keeps the original endings, but adds a tiny bit of closure, and side-stepping the whole choices matter thing. We need to shift from saying "make a new ending", to "make one that doesn't suck". Do this constructivly, and make sure to post ALOT in the suggestions thread (aka the main one they are looking at), and make sure that they know we want a damn good ending, instead of a tiny add-on. And as I said before, hurting them economically at this point, won;t help our cause, it will just rush them, and make it crappier. With that said, keep the movement alive, this IS the announcement we've been waiting for, but if we all disperse, they WILL go problem solved, and not give us our new ending anyway.

Stay strong, ceace economic pain, contructivly explain that we want a real ending, not a rush job.
Most importantly, Hold the line..... because space magic sucks

[Impulse and Compulse]

I really hope the ending DLC is free. It would make a lot of people happy, but also ****** a lot of fans off at the same time. The only way to truly recover from this is to make a free ending DLC followed by a good amount of paid DLC, so that they can roll in the cash from the overjoyed fans zealous to show their support for Bioware's reaction. Hell, even the Alt Appearance packs would sell like hotcakes after something like that.

Modifié par Impulse and Compulse, 21 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Lena Grozi]

R. Muzyka's statement: "The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. [..] However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s."

At least he didn't call us "vocal minority", but "most loyal fans". I dare to hope that means they know that we're not a minority, and work hard on a way out of this mess. I would like to see the statistics BioWare claims to have, the ones that say that majority of players responded well. Personally, I don't see all that many supporters, not in polls, not on the forum, not anywhere out there. This statement, as always, promises nothing, and that means - we have to keep pressure. I'm in on every letter campaign, and urge everyone to join.
Hold the line!

[Feixeno]

I'm a little tired of reading from Bioware how they're only listening to "constructive criticism" or "Tell us what else you liked about the game?"

What the hell is constructive criticism? All criticism is constructive. I'm not going to praise Bioware for failing, if someone is upset at what some people say, too bad. The deflections need to stop.

[thatfilmgirl]

This. I'm all for a new/more sensical ending but I think this is getting seriously out of hand. The longer this goes on, the more hostile it's getting, even with the respecting each other.

I'm taking the same stance. This is getting outta hand.

There are always going to be people in a cause who who feel taking it to the next level is necessary. Whether thats true or not is up to them and the outcome they produce. But I hope this doesn't discourage you from the RetakeME movement. Every voice is a necessity.

Even the Civil Rights movements in the US had those who felt extreme actions were required for change. Those people had to deal with their own consequences while those who remained civil did not back down because of the others and ended up achieving what they fought for. You can still stay civil. Dont let the actions of others(with or against you) dictate what you want changed if the cause is good(which it is). Thats my opinion and I hope it helps.

(Now in no way am I saying that this movement is as large or as important as the civil rights movement. Im simply using it as an example and motivator for those who may feel doubt over where this situation may lead)


Hold The Line!!

That's not the point. The point is that we have a gorram thread that is hundreds of pages long nitpicking every single sentence that is said. If that is not unneccesary overnalysis, I don't know what is. It's turning into an us against them and it feels very, very wrong. No, this is not the civil rights movement. At the end of the day it's a story that is not harming us in the long run. Yeah, we're sad. I've been a bit of an emotional wreck these past couple weeks over the ending and the journey, but you know what?

At the end of the day, my life is not dictated by the Mass Effect 3 ending.

I am for the retake movement. I would love an altered ending or more ending choices. I would really like what was promised to me. But this thread? I think is taking it too far. It's turning everyone paranoid and untrusting. No, you do not have to be happy with Bioware. I'm not happy with them, but I also think it's wrong to have a war council post to "study enemey movements". Because that's what this is. That's what the other threads are starting to turn into. If we're pulling comparisons to the civil rights movement now, I'm pulling a comparison with seeing a terrorist in everyone's face.

Was Ray's statement made by PR? No, I don't think it was. Approved? Probably. I've certainly written enough strongly worded messages to know when someone is being diplomatic, but I think it's wrong to assume that they're trying to blindside us when text can be so difficult to interpret when it comes to tone. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I'm still going to hope for corrective DLC, but I am <i>not</i> going to turn into C-Sec in ME2. 'You never know who could be a geth!'

Healing doesn't mean letting go of what you believe in.

Modifié par thatfilmgirl, 21 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[LeoSpike]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

I really hope the ending DLC isn't free. It would make a lot of people happy, but also ****** a lot of fans off at the same time. The only way to truly recover from this is to make a free ending DLC followed by a good amount of paid DLC, so that they can roll in the cash from the overjoyed fans zealous to show their support for Bioware's reaction. Hell, even the Alt Appearance packs would sell like hotcakes after something like that.

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Agreed. I don't think that's up for debate in any case. They used up their bedget for the game. Any DLC already planned has it's own budget. I'm sure their option is to take the flak if they decide to do nothing and leave the game as is (not going to happen). More likely they'll try to find out the basic issues making players unhappy, fix just those issues and nothing else, and try and recoup the money spent on the fix with a DLC that was designed to be popular, just up the price from 800 to 900 Bioware points, or something like that.

In the world of business, if you have to fix something and become a cost center, make sure your price points get that money back. If you don't, the shareholders will not be happy either. Costs always roll down to the consumer. They could make one piece free (a patch) and charge for the other. PR-wise, probably the best move.

[Impulse and Compulse]

I have a question for atghunter, and the other people in this thread who seem to really know what they're talking about; do you think we should partake in these faux olive branch weekend challenges?

They're not great but kind of fun. Can we partake in them but still find a way to fashion them into a cannonball to fire at EA and Bioware, or would completely avoided them (along with all MP) be more effective?

[Elios]

Goroxx wrote...

jojimbo wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Anyone seen this apparently from Patrick Weekes. apparently posted somwhere and then removed soon after though, so no way of confirming it.


"I have nothing to do with the ending beyond a) having argued
successfully a long time ago that we needed a chance to say goodbye to
our squad, having argued successfully that Cortez shouldn't
automatically die in that shuttle crash, and c) having written Tali's
goodbye bit, as well as a couple of the holo-goodbyes for people I wrote
(Mordin, Kasumi, Jack, etc). 
No other writer did, either, except
for our lead. This was entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself,
sitting in a room and going through draft after draft. 
And honestly, it kind of shows. 
Every
other mission in the game had to be held up to the rest of the writing
team, and the writing team then picked it apart and made suggestions and
pointed out the parts that made no sense. This mission? Casey and our
lead deciding that they didn't need to be peer-reviewe.d 
And again, it shows. 
If you'd asked me the themes of Mass Effect 3, I'd break them down as: Galactic Alliances Friends Organics versus Synthetics 
In
my personal opinion, the first two got a perfunctory nod. We did get a
goodbye to our friends, but it was in a scene that was divorced from the
gameplay -- a deliberate "nothing happens here" area with one turret
thrown in for no reason I really understand, except possibly to
obfuscate the "nothing happens here"-ness. The best missions in our game
are the ones in which the gameplay and the narrative reinforce each
other. The end of the Genophage campaign exemplifies that for me --
every line of dialog is showing you both sides of the krogan, be they
horrible brutes or proud warriors; the art shows both their bombed-out
wasteland and the beautiful world they once had and could have again;
the combat shows the terror of the Reapers as well as a blatant reminder
of the rachni, which threatened the galaxy and had to be stopped by the
krogan last time. Every line of code in that mission is on target with
the overall message. 
The endgame doesn't have that. I wanted to see
banshees attacking you, and then have asari gunships zoom in and blow
them away. I wanted to see a wave of rachni ravagers come around a
corner only to be met by a wall of krogan roaring a battle cry. Here's
the horror the Reapers inflicted upon each race, and here's the army
that you, Commander Shepard, made out of every race in the galaxy to
fight them. 
I personally thought that the Illusive Man conversation
was about twice as long as it needed to be -- something that I've been
told in my peer reviews of my missions and made edits on, but again,
this is a conversation no writer but the lead ever saw until it was
already recorded. I did love Anderson's goodbye. 
For me, Anderson's
goodbye is where it ended. The stuff with the Catalyst just... You have
to understand. Casey is really smart and really analytical. And the
problem is that when he's not checked, he will assume that other people
are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely
unemotional intellectual ending. I didn't hate it, but I didn't love
it. 
And then, just to be a dick... what was SUPPOSED to happen was
that, say you picked "Destroy the Reapers". When you did that, the
system was SUPPOSED to look at your score, and then you'd show a
cutscene of Earth that was either: 
a) Very high score: Earth
obviously damaged, but woo victory  Medium score: Earth takes a bunch
of damage from the Crucible activation. Like dropping a bomb on an
already war-ravaged city. Uh, well, maybe not LIKE that as much as, uh,
THAT. c) Low score: Earth is a cinderblock, all life on it completely
wiped out 
I have NO IDEA why these different cutscenes aren't in
there. As far as I know, they were never cut. Maybe they were cut for
budget reasons at the last minute. I don't know. But holy crap, yeah, I
can see how incredibly disappointing it'd be to hear of all the
different ending possibilities and have it break down to "which color is
stuff glowing?" Or maybe they ARE in, but they're too subtle to really
see obvious differences, and again, that's... yeah. 
Okay, that's a lot to have written for something that's gonna go away in an hour. 
I
still teared up at the ending myself, but really, I was tearing up for
the quick flashbacks to old friends and the death of Anderson. I wasn't
tearing up over making a choice that, as it turned out, didn't have
enough cutscene differentiation on it. 
And to be clear, I don't even
really wish Shepard had gotten a ride-off-into-sunset ending. I was
honestly okay with Shepard sacrificing himself. I just expected it to be
for something with more obvious differentiation, and a stronger tie to
the core themes -- all three of them."

thats an interesting awesome read, thanks

CONFIRMED FAKE, see 

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933 

There's enough fuel on the fire already, we don't need fake crap adding to it all.

im calling shins on that
to much like Patrick's style to be a fake if so its a VERY VERY good one or maybe wirten by some one else on teh writing staff and posted under his name but still his thoughts 

tl:dr Patrick may not of wrote it him self but some one that knows him did

[Crimmsonwind]

I just really hope everyone keeps being civil and shows BioWare/EA that this is serious and not just a bunch of rabid fans.

[Darthlawsuit]

I just made a poll to show Jessica how the "Silent/lurking 90% has turned into the vocal 9% and active 1%"

http://social.biowar...7961/1#10408683

[The Almighty Ali]

Feixeno wrote...

I'm a little tired of reading from Bioware how they're only listening to "constructive criticism" or "Tell us what else you liked about the game?"

What the hell is constructive criticism? All criticism is constructive. I'm not going to praise Bioware for failing, if someone is upset at what some people say, too bad. The deflections need to stop.

Constructive criticism = I think that That part is bad because of this and that and... etc.

Not constructive criticism = That part sucks!.

[Jedifan421]

This is a great video by a great guy on the ending and how most of us feel after seeing the ending.

[Hicks233]

Would it be worth having the resources and coverage on this entire issue archived on a site? All sides of the argument as well. I'm just thinking it would be interesting and important to see the shifting views of publications be they small or full 180's. It'd at least give us a barometer on their consistency and creadability for future reference. I know for one that I've spent time on Forbes that I wouldn't have done otherwise.

I'm glad that we've gotten a statement from Dr. Muzyka. I'll not be satisfied though until a clear description of what will be made, it's pricing, estimated time scale to completion and how it addresses the concerns and complaints of the customers is given. I also understand and accept that this will all take time.

I hope that we'll all be able to behave civily throughout this. The issue of ME3's ending is being discussed across many game forums currently. It's an issue that's struck a nerve and I hope that it will be resolved to the satisfaction of us the customers - so that we can have faith in a company that makes what we buy and enjoy, so that we can continue that positive relationship.

It'll be good to listen to An End Once and For All - and for it to be fitting and suitable for all concerned.

[G0ldmember]

Phew. I finally caught up with the 50-ish threads theat were posted since last night. There is one problem though. I got a feeling that the line I'm supposed to hold is starting to slip.

Per advice of several key figures of the Retake movement, I took a break (sort of) from the constant 300-style "This is where we hold them. This is where we fight. This is WHERE THEY DIE!" warfare and did some reading about gaming history in the making. Fed up with IGN, Giantbomb, Kotaku 's such, I veered towards Forbes and sat down to read this article that was posted today:

Forbes: Did the real mass effect 3 ending go over everyones heads?

I havent really paid any attention to theories that could "fix" the atrocious ending that we all had to endure. But because Paul Tassi's articles on Forbes resounded so well with us when the rest of the gaming press was chasing us with pitch forkes, I took a chance and opened myself to what could be the mother of all plot twits. Really the Indoctrination Theory actually...fits..rather well. The creators off the original theory movie on youtube have updated their work (20 minutes, but worth the watch) and combined with the Forbes article I'm feeling the willpower to "Go to the mattresses" slip away, if this is ultimatly Bioware's grand scheme.

Now this could all still bite Bioware in the ass: cutting out this (hopefully) masterful ending and selling it as DLC in a few weeks / months (april?).  Or as Mr. Paul Tassi says:

If $15 ending DLC hits shelves in a month or two that reveals this theory as correct, it will be one of the lowest points in video game history. Had a complete ending been fashioned alongside this plot twist, Mass Effect could have been the greatest story ever told through the medium and fans would have bowed at Bioware’s feet, praising them for
the best finale they’ve ever seen. But instead, if the “true” ending really was cut to be sold later as DLC, it’s proof that maybe video games aren’t art after all. They’re just a product to be bought and sold in pieces regardless of the effect such decisions may have on the experience or the story.

Devilishly clever businesswise but unethical from an "artistic" (might as well go with it) point of view. I was gonna leave it at that, untill I saw this:

Hylndur wrote...

a post from Jarrett Lee in an ending DLC is true thread

"Hey guys, one thing I want to stress is to not make any assumptions until we are able to give you more information. Right now, anything about free vs paid is speculation only. I think most of you get that, but just want to stress it. "


may
be me just over thinking or him forgetting to type things. But it just
puts down the free vs paid argument, and not the ending DLC argument.

again, i could just be looking TOO MUCH in to it though *shrug*

Soooo...huge plot twitst. Cutting out the ending, but giving it back for free a few weeks / months after the game is released and if I read what mr Lee (marketing) might say, for free. The mind boggles.

Modifié par G0ldmember, 21 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[blurryhunter]

The more I read what the BioWare upper staff thoughts are about the endings and the fans thoughts, my own included, the more I start to pull back towards the middle ground on a 'big misunderstanding' front.

I have always believed that between two sides, some kernel of truth is there, so I have been analyzing everything I can find in regards to both sides of the discussion.

I am of the impression that when they made the statements regarding the choices made by players and the ending of the game, that they were looking at the whole of Mass Effect 3, rather than a specific point, in this case the end of gameplay. Taking a bit of time to stare at that aspect got me to realize that, if taken in that context, then yes, everything you did in Mass Effect 1 and 2 do in fact effect the 'end' of the series; Mass Effect 3.

The misunderstanding comes from (and please remember this is my take on it) how players see the end of something. It is fair to say that, to a developer, the last game of a series could easily be seen as 'the end.' To a player, however, that end typically doesn't happen until the credits roll.

Multiple, branching 'endings', if by 'ending' we are using Mass Effect 3 as a whole, would make sense considering that your choices are, in fact, reflected during the course of the game; with the 'three choices' at the end being a simple tie in to your Military Rating and a closure of the gameplay. To most players (I would argue all), those words reflect nothing of the gameplay and land squarely in 'what is expected just before the credits.'

In short, when I looked at Mass Effect 3 as the end of the series and not the last game leading to the end, I can see where their statements were coming from.

I still think the scenes during the conclusion were not done well, believe that it should have been grounded more towards the lore they implemented in the gameplay up to that point (last minute 'new reveals' aren't part of gameplay as far as I'm concerned), and the ending could have done with something similar to the epilogue of Dragon Age (if for no other reason than for how thorough it was, to me).

Don't mistake this. You all are well within your rights to requisition better closure for such an otherwise fantastic game (I have only two other complaints; endings aside) and believe, even if you start to doubt, that you are making impressive headway. Just look at all the attention this is getting from outside sources.

I'll sound like a broken record, but stay your course, and keep things as civil as you can.

Modifié par blurryhunter, 21 mars 2012 - 09:27 .