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[Syrellaris]

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I don't see what Bioware/EA has to do with the actuall meaning of criticism...

It only has something to do because anytime there is something that criticizes EA/Bioware or makes a contrary statement about them, you are quick to the defense....  That is all.  I have just noticed that you tend to be very defensive of them.

The criticism statement you posted sort of followed this defensive posture that you tend to take.

Its not defense actually. I never stated anything from the article that would defend Bioware or EA. Likewise I never stated anything to harm them. I merely pointed out if the article write, quotes a person that is so deluded by his own ways, that he even gets the basic form of criticism wrong and confused it with 2 completely different forms of Criticism, I tend to say.

"Its a nice article, but its not note or trustworthy due to various incorrectness."

[ReavousX]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Whats happend in the last six hours besides Jessica?

Co-Founder of Bioware made a statement.

http://social.biowar.../index/10384902 

[jb1983]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

@Jessica
...I'm at a loss of words right now. Thank you Jessica, for taking the time out of you obviusly busy life to speake with us. It will not be soon forgoten. Sorry for causing you so much stress.

Causing me stress isn't so much the issue. My goal in everything is to create more supportive community that is more positive in nature (with undertones of social equality, solidarity, and togetherness) even when we fundamentally disagree. 

I can't praise the Retake movement enough for helping work toward that and I don't want to see us slide backward after the work they've done to unite many within the community. No matter what side of this issue you fall on, I don't see any other communities expressing themselves in such a positive manner.

Please don't take my longest-post-on-the-bsn-ever as a scary word of caution. It's just me candidly expressing myself to try to make this the best community possible. Also I'm possibly unhinged lol. 

Lastly, I hate that people in the media write about our fandom and sling around abusive labels. I'm fighting for that to stop too. 

Your posts in here (and posts from other Bioware employees) have helped to calm my feelings about Bioware as a company (maybe it's the PR boogey-man causing me to feel that way). 

I do appreciate you noticing how we're being talked about in the media (***IGN***) just because we don't like the endings and would enjoy some new ones, or post-game DLC. 

My only worry, as I stated in another post (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10244770), this is having a financial impact on Bioware and EA in general. While the immediate cash flow probably isn't a problem, I am worried about longterm cashflow for the company (in the form of DLCs). For instance, with the endings as they are I really don't have much of a motivation for buying any DLCs not related to the ending. That's not a form of me boycotting or "sticking it" to Bioware, I just don't see how I'd get enjoyment out of them when they wouldn't really resolve the only problem I have with the game. So why put money into something that I'm not going to enjoy? 

And I'm even to the point that as long as Bioware can explain why Joker was running away and how my crew ended up on the Normandy that I could *accept* the endings (though not be pleased with them). 

Anyway, I'm moving off onto a tangent and it's been a long day dealing with numbers and bankruptcy laws, so I'll just end it there. 

[Darkeus]

Syrellaris wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I don't see what Bioware/EA has to do with the actuall meaning of criticism...

It only has something to do because anytime there is something that criticizes EA/Bioware or makes a contrary statement about them, you are quick to the defense....  That is all.  I have just noticed that you tend to be very defensive of them.

The criticism statement you posted sort of followed this defensive posture that you tend to take.

Its not defense actually. I never stated anything from the article that would defend Bioware or EA. Likewise I never stated anything to harm them. I merely pointed out if the article write, quotes a person that is so deluded by his own ways, that he even gets the basic form of criticism wrong and confused it with 2 completely different forms of Criticism, I tend to say.

"Its a nice article, but its not note or trustworthy due to various incorrectness."

Lol, okay whatever.... 

Let us just say I couldn't disagree with you anymore and leave it at that. 

[Shelpa]

It is good to see that this is progressively getting there; there is certainly a more hopeful mood than there was a week ago. Bioware has (to a certain extent) begun responding; they are certainly not saying "What we did was wrong." That would be foolish; they have to look out for their own behinds as much as the next person. However, they are beginning to say "Yes, there may be an issue here." Keep it up, we are still in the midst of the fight but this can be won !

[MayaBalrin]

wheelierdan wrote...

MayaBalrin wrote...

My ten year old son who has watched me play most of the trilogy asked me how the game ends. I told him, "Everyone dies."
His response was, "No really. What happens?"
I repeated, "Everyone dies. You get to choose a red explosion, a green explosion, or a blue explosion."
"That can't be the ending."
I explained, "No matter what color you choose the mass relays explode."
Before I could explain further he said, "But if a mass relay explodes then the whole star system its located in is destroyed. Everyone would die. That ending stinks."

So simple even a fourth grader gets it.
Hold the line.

how can you let a 10 year old watch?  what if he sees side boob! Think of the children!!
/fox news

just kidding:)

LOL. I better not take him to the beach or pool either. To bad we live in Florida in a huge university town. That's it I've scared him for life. =)

[Syrellaris]

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I don't see what Bioware/EA has to do with the actuall meaning of criticism...

It only has something to do because anytime there is something that criticizes EA/Bioware or makes a contrary statement about them, you are quick to the defense....  That is all.  I have just noticed that you tend to be very defensive of them.

The criticism statement you posted sort of followed this defensive posture that you tend to take.

Its not defense actually. I never stated anything from the article that would defend Bioware or EA. Likewise I never stated anything to harm them. I merely pointed out if the article write, quotes a person that is so deluded by his own ways, that he even gets the basic form of criticism wrong and confused it with 2 completely different forms of Criticism, I tend to say.

"Its a nice article, but its not note or trustworthy due to various incorrectness."

Lol, okay whatever.... 

Let us just say I couldn't disagree with you anymore and leave it at that. 

I know, truth hurts doesn't it. But then again trying to tell someone who is so set in its ways to "hate" bioware/EA for this ending, to look at it from a different angle other then hatred was futile. (the article btw, not the game)

Modifié par Syrellaris, 21 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[joopark]

Great updates!

Let us continue to be civil and express our displeasure with the ending with maturity! We want better closure! We don't want to see Joker running away and crash land at some random planet with squad mates that were supposed to be with us when the beam hit! We don't want to be told that one ending (a bad one at that) is sixteen different endings! We want the plot holes to be fixed!

Hold the line!

[MintyCool]

Syrellaris wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I don't see what Bioware/EA has to do with the actuall meaning of criticism...

It only has something to do because anytime there is something that criticizes EA/Bioware or makes a contrary statement about them, you are quick to the defense....  That is all.  I have just noticed that you tend to be very defensive of them.

The criticism statement you posted sort of followed this defensive posture that you tend to take.

Its not defense actually. I never stated anything from the article that would defend Bioware or EA. Likewise I never stated anything to harm them. I merely pointed out if the article write, quotes a person that is so deluded by his own ways, that he even gets the basic form of criticism wrong and confused it with 2 completely different forms of Criticism, I tend to say.

"Its a nice article, but its not note or trustworthy due to various incorrectness."

Lol, okay whatever.... 

Let us just say I couldn't disagree with you anymore and leave it at that. 

I know, truth hurts doesn't it. But then again trying to tell someone who is so set in its ways to "hate" bioware/EA for this ending, to look at it from a different angle other then hatred was futile. (the article btw, not the game)

The truth: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213

[Jessica Merizan]

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

EDIT: None of this affects my role. I'm still your advocate and am actively collecting feedback, thoughts, questions, concerns etc. 

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 21 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[IndustrializedTaco]

blurryhunter wrote...

"The protest movement, Retake Mass Effect, has a chance of succeeding."

Snippet from this: http://www.theatlant...nt-like/254825/

Which was posted earlier.

I've seen a lot of doubt about whether or not people can keep the tempo and hold their stride. That's understandable. Just remember that doubt is a great, if not the greatest, weapon wielded by a cause. It allows people to reaffirm themselves, take better footing, and stand their ground.

This whole situation isn't easy from the position of either side, but just know that by coming this far, you all have already shattered the perception that most would have given this; that its nothing more than entitlement issues for people that can't be happy with anything.

I just read the article, apparently if we win we can ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of game devoplment.

[RagingCeltik]

 Co-founder of Bioware responds to our movement.

dsfI think it is a well thought out statement that shows pride in his team and company but ultimately admits (read between the lines) they dropped the ball and are going to create new content.

"
Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received.  "

I think this essentially means they're going to leave the endings intact, but expand the explanation around them and give some actual resolution to the endings afterwords.    I'm fine with this.   Even if the starchild and mass relay explosions are not completely explained and still make little sense, as long as some of the other plot holes (like Joker and the Normandy (with my ground crew crashing, what happens to the galaxy's fleet afterwards, what happens to the *galaxy* afterwards) are explained, I can begrudingly accept that.

As I've said before, there's no way that whatever they do will appease all of us.   We have to realize what a fair compromise will be between what we want and what we get.

[Syrellaris]

The truth: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213

Nah I actually want parts of the ending changed

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

All I know is that I have not been doing this just to get a longer version of endings I can stand if that happens I am done with Bioware. I want real choices for the ending that reflect my shepard like I was told there would be and I want one of those endings to be happy,not just longer versions of the same endings. Please people this was a last ditch effort to split us and boost sales before the end of the month please please please I am begging you not to fall for it and to continue to hold the line until we get real endings with rela game play and real cut scenes I know it is hard but anything worth fighting for always is. Please don't stop holding the line just because these statements If the ending DLC is just a longer version of the endings we have now please boycott it because if we do they will see that we are to smart to fall for their tricks and then we will get real endings. please please please we are 90% there,don't throw victory away by falling for a last minute trick bioware is pulling to save face. Hold on so that they will have to give us the features we were told would be in the game in the first place,i know it is hard but I am begging you ro hold the line.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.bioware.com/group/7102/

Thank you for your time.

[coogi]

http://social.biowar...ndex/10405204/1

i feel like this thread needs to be read by BioWare

[IndustrializedTaco]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

Ms. Merizan
Thank you for communicating with the fans. I understand you couldn't give out much information about what's going on. I apperciate you taking the time to address, and speak to us as humans. Thank you for your input on our movement.

[lookingglassmind]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

Jess,

 This is.... argh. This is not right. You're taking this personally, because you meant it personally. Please don't let this response be the thing that robs you of your humanity.

Your engagement focus is crucial to the community. Your role doesn't exist without reason.

[shephard987]

Hello everyone.
Good to see the line is being held.
Many events have happened today, and while I was catching up
I found two more interesting articles that came up not too long ago.
Read, comment, be civil.

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

http://www.goozernat...on-the-industry

Hold the Line

[Fulgrim88]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

That sounds kinda resignated.

I don't know what happened, but I'm sorry that you ended up feeling that way.

Thanks for your work up to this point, in any case. It was appreciated, more than you might think.

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 21 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[Midarc2nd]

Hmn.
Interesting development.
Nothing within that would make us change current strategy.
Could be a sign of good things to come though.

Staying civil.
Keeping the message clear.
Keeping an eye on the forums.
Holding that line.

[ericjdev]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

You're the best, I really appreciate you and I think you've dealt with a tough situation with large amounts of class and grace, be well.

[Zulmoka531]

First. I'm sorry to Jessica that her job has basically become hell. I can't speak for everyone, however that was not the intention behind all this.

Secondly, these articles (not to add fuel to the fire or anything) sprang up and you guys might want to check this out:
www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/gaming-the-system-how-a-gaming-journalist-lost-his-job-over-a-negative-review/

www.gamingbus.com/2011/10/22/gaming-bus-embargoes-electronic-arts-coverage-until-2012/

[ReavousX]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

That's a real shame.  Thank you for the time you have taken to come and discuss things with us in the wee hours of the morning.  

I thought your post was helpful, especially the info you gave on 90-9-1, and your explanation of it.  Guess we'll never get to see those numbers of new registrations on the BSN, I was curious how many of the 90 were moving into the 9.  

[Drasoini]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

A quick salute to you.  I for one, feel that your work, both during duty hours as it were and at 3am was helpful.  We stand on opposite sides of a hotly contested issue, but that need not make us (the community and yourself) bitter enemies.  I wish you well and hopefully will be interacting with this community in the days and years to come.

I'm excited to get back into Fereldan and beyond, but (Always one isn't there?) that will depend on how Bioware responds here.

We appreciate the respect and patience you've shown, as well as the insight and candor. The bridge should be reopened in the future, by both parties, but for now we stand on opposite sides of the divide.

Enough of me waxing poetic, hold the line folks.  But never, ever disrespect your opposites, it does nothing but burn bridges.

[Cerra23]

Just to echo with what beelebailey123 just commented, we the fans appreciate that there is often a hard way to communicate our feelings, both positive or negative, and sometimes it can be felt as if our voices fall on deaf ears.

But we all do thank you Ms. Merizan, to have someone, (anyone!) who is willing to respond to us and engage us is such a welcome and positive thing.