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[OneWithTheAssassins]

I don't WANT a dlc that explains the current endings. I want the Indoctrination theory put in. It makes so much sense! Has Bioware looked into it in detail?

[Nightfire78]

Zero.Gee wrote...

Not sure if this has been dropped but the escapist zero punctuation finally did an ME3 review http://www.escapistm...7-Mass-Effect-3

I was worried it might annoy me (he sometimes does ) but I actually had to laugh a few times.

[Aurellia]

Jamie9 wrote...

Earlier today I "quit" BioWare in a fit of stress-induced rage. I've been spending all day here for the past 10 days and it got to me (been staying up until 4am). What atg said about taking breaks was right and I foolishly neglected his advice. Fortunately, I directed all my anger at the game, and not an actual person. If Jessica Merizan is feeling like I am, she's coping really well with the stress.

I'd like to ask to rejoin the Line if you'll have me.

No surender, No retreat, and most of all...

Never forget...

welcome back!

Modifié par Aurellia, 22 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[shephard987]

Press that understands.
Please provide your civil, reasonable, comments.

http://kotaku.com/58...ng-for-the-fans

Hold the Line

[cyrrant]

Aurellia wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Earlier today I "quit" BioWare in a fit of stress-induced rage. I've been spending all day here for the past 10 days and it got to me (been staying up until 4am). What atg said about taking breaks was right and I foolishly neglected his advice. Fortunately, I directed all my anger at the game, and not an actual person. If Jessica Merizan is feeling like I am, she's coping really well with the stress.

I'd like to ask to rejoin the Line if you'll have me.

No surender, No retreat, and most of all...

Never forget...

welcome back!

There might be latrine duty involved...

[ReavousX]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I don't WANT a dlc that explains the current endings. I want the Indoctrination theory put in. It makes so much sense! Has Bioware looked into it in detail?

I'm sure they have.  There's a a lot of quality posts and polls that have turned up, and I'm willing to bet they combed over the theory in detail.

[sistersafetypin]

shephard987 wrote...

Press that understands.
Please provide your civil, reasonable, comments.

http://kotaku.com/58...ng-for-the-fans

Hold the Line

Thanks for reminding me to read this.

Still Holding the Line

edit: My favorite part.

"More than one smart game developer has described the medium as a conversation between game players and game creators.[/b] The devs make a game. We play it. We react. The devs make a new game that answers those players and so that cycle continues. That conversation doesn't—and for a long time hasn't—occurred simply between the release of one game and the next. It's happened during the lifespan of a game. It happens with MMOs. It happens with shooters. It happens all the time. "

Modifié par sistersafetypin, 22 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[punkenjunki3]

shephard987 wrote...

I MEANT TO EDIT, BUT IT WAS REPOSTED ACCIDENTALLY


Guys, we need to show the public we're not what this article says we are.
Help further our cause. Be civil and battle using logic and reason.
Please post in the comments showing just how "immature" we are. 

http://oxcgn.com/201...reative-vision/

Thank you.

Incidentally this is what i replied to this article, its still awaiting moderation on the site, and due to its size i should start my own damn blog. Its clear the writer didnt really research much before deciding to call us spoilt brats.

Anyways I WARN YOU. Its long: 

An interesting article, but however like so many others you have
missed some critical points. First however your demonising people who
have a genuine interest in the franchise and are only acting to make it
known that they are not happy with the developers direction. That to me
seems to be the actions of a caring fanbase, who SHOULD give feedback
good and bad, otherwise how will the developers know what they did right
or wrong and where to improve?
The fanbase is not some rabid entitled fanboy rally, if you have
taken the time to read the posts and other articles and their comments
(Such as at FORBES) you will see there are clear, concise, well thought
out ideas and feedback for the devs to work off. They are not foaming at
the mouth fanboys who want a sunshine and ponies ending.
You mention your lawsuit against James Cameron, I’m not legal expert
but I’m going to advise against that. But seeing as youve brought this
up the issue of whether games are products (ie commerical commodities
subject to typical statutory rights or fit for purpose, quality etc..)
or whether they are art. Exapanding on this:
- As a commercial product: The game was advertised to be based solely
on player choice and to offer an experience which would reflect the
outcomes of these choices. For 99% it did that, right up to the last
decision (where it you know, kinda matters) where you are given 3
endings which hardly vary at all, which goes against pre-release
comments that gamers will NOT end up with a simple A, B, C choice, when
infact thats exactley what they got. With no closure, incosistencies
everywhere, plot holes entire galaxies could be swallowed up in, thats
what has caused the discontent with the ending. Not because it lacked
sunshine or ponies.
- As art: Well, do video games count as art? The debate rages on but
its not gonna get answered here nor for a while I predict. Regardless,
the ending finsihed with such abstraction and obscurity that ANY over or
under-riding plots or messages to it were missed. And to me, thats not
good art but again im not an expert and find that make me uncultered but
you know what its not up to Bioware or anyone else to suddenly decide
to inject a dose of culture which would make even the most bohemian poet
giddy with ironic imagery. For a series which has largley been based on
CLEAR and ETHICAL decisions which lead to consequences based on a
persons morality, I dont want to see some sub-contextual message flash
in all for 5 minutes depicting sacrifice when it doesnt show what the
outcome of your toil was. And this comes after what is usually well over
100 of gameplay plus a considerable amount of money for the games and
additional content.
And while we are on the subject of art do well to remember that some
prominent writers and play wrights have re-written plays and novels to
suit public appeal, most notable SIr Arthur Conan-Doyle Dickens and
there are plenty of others. And lets not forget that even a video game
changed its ending following popular appeal , yep even Fallout 3, after
killing you off, fan protest was so great that DLC brought you back so
that you could explore the wasteland, for replayability, which is now a
major sticking point in the ME universe as its now all rendered moot but
such a restrictive ending.
So Ive given you some very clear reasons why, evidence that the fans
are not simple spoiled brats demanidng ponies and I’ve even given you
precedent. Maybe we can now look to the fact that why its such the
popular opinion of all writers in the games media to belittle the effort
of fans, fellow gamers (though I have my doubts on that), simply
because it makes for a better article? People who have had the
“audacity” to stand up for what they believe in and to let their
favourite team of devs know that they really could have done better with
their favourite franchise.
What works for some doesnt work for the majority in this case and
dissapointment does not mean dislike, it means that the devs should be
sitting up and taking notes because we know they can do better.
Its just a shame that like the meaning behind the games ending, everyone else has missed this point.

[Jamie9]

cyrrant wrote...

Aurellia wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Earlier today I "quit" BioWare in a fit of stress-induced rage. I've been spending all day here for the past 10 days and it got to me (been staying up until 4am). What atg said about taking breaks was right and I foolishly neglected his advice. Fortunately, I directed all my anger at the game, and not an actual person. If Jessica Merizan is feeling like I am, she's coping really well with the stress.

I'd like to ask to rejoin the Line if you'll have me.

No surender, No retreat, and most of all...

Never forget...

welcome back!

There might be latrine duty involved...

Thank you Aurellia! I'd have never forgiven myself if I'd have become uncivil and made a bad name for the Line.

Cyrrant - I deserve it - I'll get the mop. 

Modifié par Jamie9, 22 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[Blessing22_]

I feel everyone's pain... The ending was really hard to swallow...No closure for an "Amazing trilogy".   I've discussed it over and over with other people that I know that have the game and we are all in agreement of this disappointment. I want to vent but I have done so much I am tired of doing it and can't do it anymore. But if you are unhappy with the ending, i suggest you watch this video by clicking this link. Promise it will make you laugh a little. Plus he pretty much covers everything that I would say anyway...If you feel the same you should spread it around yourselves. Well other than the tali issue.. i am actually indifferent with the picture topic, but it would have been nice to actually see her face.

  

Indoctrination theory
If EA/BioWare does do an DLC or even another game (Mass Effect 4- some how revealing another plot turn or even the Indoctrination theory we are all aware of) I would be very interested to see how this plays out. And if they do a good job of pulling everything together which they did in Mass Effect 2, I would need to have it. I would say that there would be alot of gamers that would need to ante up and 
apologize for past actions,  Either way i am impressed with the staff and developers for creating an experience that would touch so many and make people feel so invested. That is saying something. So Kudos to you! 

Modifié par Blessing22 , 22 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[Kioux]

Ok, forgive me if for posting this here and in this way I do but I have to get something off my mind: I am so tired of people addressing us as cry-babies, as brats who think they are entitled to anything or as hater who demand
another ending.

I for one am simply a highly disappointed gamer/customer. Sadly I was naïve enough to believe what was said in interviews and when reality hit me – yes, I was angry. However that anger soon changed into sadness and it has
not changed since. But does that mean that I am demanding or insisting that Bioware changes the end? No! Do I hope they do so? Do I wish for an alternate or expanded ending, did I beg for it? Yes absolutely. But at no point did I forget that Mass Effect is Bioware's to do with as they please. I will not agree that we didn't get an ending - we did, even if it was a horrible one from my point of view.  However I will not applaud Bioware for the provided outcome either and I will continue to wonder how this amazing franchise could result in such an illogical and frustrating ending and even more so, I will wonder how or what made them think that it would be greatly appreciated by everyone.

Yet, of course they are entitled to keep the ending as it is, but if they do – does it make me whiny to decide it will have consequences for my future behavior as a Bioware customer? I don't think so. Just as they have the right
to keep things as they are, I have the right to adjust my behavior accordingly.

To say that I feel betrayed may be a very emotional and personal statement but it is simply true. Had there not been so many “promises” that could be, and were broken, maybe I wouldn't feel as strongly about this as I do. If I ordered a car and they told me that air-conditioning, leather seats and a color of my choice were included in the price, and in the end I had cotton seat covers and a hand-held fan and only red, blue and green available instead
– I wouldn't accept it and I doubt anyone would call my a whiner. Sure the difference in price is obvious but the concept is similar.

Additionally, and I have mentioned this before, I cannot and do not want to fathom the concept of trolling. Oh, I know what it means, I know why people do it and that it continues to exist but for me it is utterly pointless –
even more so when our suggestions to fill the plotholes, expand the ending and/or add more endings that would reflect the diversity of player's choices, would in no way lessen their experience. DLC is optional and if they truly believe that we are such a sorry bunch – then they can sit back and laugh at us for paying an additional $10-15
for an “Better Ending Bundle DLC” - should we ever get one.

So once more – do I tell Bioware they have to listen to us or that I demand on the spot a new ending? No, but I wish for one and I would be utterly happy and grateful would they listen to me – and many of you - even if it takes them a few months. Is that blackmailing? No. I simply do not have enough money left over at the end of the month that I am willing to blindly buy products of a company that has disappointed me. Am I willing to be proven wrong? Absolutely – this counts for Mass Effect 3 as much as future products.

This whole situation is getting me so much because I used to have total faith in Bioware and their games. It used to be a guarantee for a great time and gaming experience but with the ending of ME3, I am just not sure anymore. DA2 may not have been great and the ending certainly wasn't as good as it could have been but I didn't feel as empty and left wanting as I do feel now. Mass Effect was one of the most enticing sci-fi series for me and maybe because I was used to the utmost satisfaction I've had from it do I feel so disappointed by the end.

I don't want Bioware to burn, nor do I want them to close their doors and I certainly don't want to do anything to the people working at Bioware - I am aware that they are people and that this whole situation must be confusing, saddening and frightening to them as well, but to voice my opinion and avoid future purchases seems to be the only way in which I can reach the companies BioWare and EA. Yes, I am only one customer but I have to do what is within my possibilities.

Please forgive me for this wall of text, but to be in here, to listen to the bad press (I know not all of it is bad) and ongoing arguments is very draining and while I will continue to hold the line, I just had to give my thoughts an outlet. "This is an opinion piece..." and I am aware that people will diagree with me, so to help me deal with it I will get a piece of apple-pie, sit back and hope I don't get banned or flamed... *sighs*

*mutters curses at the formatting*

Modifié par Kioux, 22 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[ahnariprellik]

Jamie9 wrote...

Earlier today I "quit" BioWare in a fit of stress-induced rage. I've been spending all day here for the past 10 days and it got to me (been staying up until 4am). What atg said about taking breaks was right and I foolishly neglected his advice. Fortunately, I directed all my anger at the game, and not an actual person. If Jessica Merizan is feeling like I am, she's coping really well with the stress.

I'd like to ask to rejoin the Line if you'll have me.

I haven't been on the line that long but welcome back. I also have to say that I doubt EA had much of a say in the endings to be honest. Yes, they probably do care about money but hey they're the publisher, their job is to make sure the product sells. Period. Anyway, though I'm sure most will disagree I don't think alot of the frustration needs  to be leveled at EA but instead the writers at Bioware. It would be different if the themes at the end had been present all along throughout the series but they weren't. I mean I love the AC franchise story too and the end to that story is going to make less sense than ME3 did, however, AC doesn't allow you to shape the world, characters, and story around you based on the choices you make like the ME series does (did?) and its not gonna strip all those choices away from you in the end either like ME did.

[mattynutz]

cyrrant wrote...

mattynutz wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...
(snip)

(snip)

 I think there was probably a less direct way of putting it, 

And less direct is a good thing? I think absence of direct communication is what got us into this mess. Well... a near plagarized ending followed by absence of communication anyway.

I think atghunter already addressed this, but it's worth saying again.  Yes, there are people behind the Bioware name.  Yes, some of them are probably hurt.  Yes, it's okay to sympathize with them, because they are other people, and our actions may very well be causing them emotional harm.  You are right that humanizing the situation may be an action taken to try and deflect our attention, though.

Atghunter is either a very wise and informed person or a very well intentioned troll. I concur. There are people behind the bioware name. And those people have been lying to us and misleading us. Intentionally.

I do sympathize with those people, and I try to keep emotion (both positive and negative) from my posts here so that I can serve more of an analytical purpose. I'm not looking to kick anyone's puppy. Not only do I sympathize with BW, I empathize with them. But empathy is a tricky thing. Sympathy will make you say "Oh, you poor dear. The dog bit you. Come, let's get you a kitty band aid and a lolli." while empathy will make you say "Oh, you poor dear. The dog bit you. It wasn't perhaps because you were poking him with that stick you're holding? The one covered in dog fur?"

Not only do I sympathize with BW and their staff, but I sympathize with the hundreds of thousands (millions? more?) of people who got sold $60 worth of broken promises. I also empathize with them, which is why I'm hoping that my posts here don't add to the antagonistic ones.  

Don't let your feelings 

As I said earlier, none of this is about feelings to me. Their hurt feelings are an unfair excuse not to accept criticism, and so are mine. So I'm hoping that I have kept feelings out of my posts.

@mattynutz I don't know if you're receptive to any of this, but I hope you consider amending your post to be a little less aggressive.  

I find it interesting that a straightforward unemotional and direct reply is seen as 'aggressive'. I am fully capable of aggression, and this is nowhere near it. I left my battle axe at home today. I just happen to have also left my basket of kitties with it.

[Thornquist]

Jessica, you have truly impressed me here. I really get furious when I see people twisting and turning everything you say, and make you a part of some huge, faceless, evil corporation.

Never stop reminding the ME3 team that we love their work, you guys are awesome

[Nicky 192]

Blessing22 wrote...

I feel everyone's pain... The ending was really hard to swallow...No closure for an "Amazing trilogy".   I've discussed it over and over with other people that I know that have the game and we are all in agreement of this disappointment. I want to vent but I have done so much I am tired of doing it and can't do it anymore. But if you are unhappy with the ending, i suggest you watch this video by clicking this link. Promise it will make you laugh a little. Plus he pretty much covers everything that I would say anyway...If you feel the same you should spread it around yourselves. Well other than the tali issue.. i am actually indifferent with the picture topic, but it would have been nice to actually see her face.

  

That was just so funny just what i needed:lol:

[Zaknaberrnon]

punkenjunki3 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

I MEANT TO EDIT, BUT IT WAS REPOSTED ACCIDENTALLY


Guys, we need to show the public we're not what this article says we are.
Help further our cause. Be civil and battle using logic and reason.
Please post in the comments showing just how "immature" we are. 

http://oxcgn.com/201...reative-vision/

Thank you.

Incidentally this is what i replied to this article, its still awaiting moderation on the site, and due to its size i should start my own damn blog. Its clear the writer didnt really research much before deciding to call us spoilt brats.

Anyways I WARN YOU. Its long: 

An interesting article, but however like so many others you have
missed some critical points. First however your demonising people who
have a genuine interest in the franchise and are only acting to make it
known that they are not happy with the developers direction. That to me
seems to be the actions of a caring fanbase, who SHOULD give feedback
good and bad, otherwise how will the developers know what they did right
or wrong and where to improve?
The fanbase is not some rabid entitled fanboy rally, if you have
taken the time to read the posts and other articles and their comments
(Such as at FORBES) you will see there are clear, concise, well thought
out ideas and feedback for the devs to work off. They are not foaming at
the mouth fanboys who want a sunshine and ponies ending.
You mention your lawsuit against James Cameron, I’m not legal expert
but I’m going to advise against that. But seeing as youve brought this
up the issue of whether games are products (ie commerical commodities
subject to typical statutory rights or fit for purpose, quality etc..)
or whether they are art. Exapanding on this:
- As a commercial product: The game was advertised to be based solely
on player choice and to offer an experience which would reflect the
outcomes of these choices. For 99% it did that, right up to the last
decision (where it you know, kinda matters) where you are given 3
endings which hardly vary at all, which goes against pre-release
comments that gamers will NOT end up with a simple A, B, C choice, when
infact thats exactley what they got. With no closure, incosistencies
everywhere, plot holes entire galaxies could be swallowed up in, thats
what has caused the discontent with the ending. Not because it lacked
sunshine or ponies.
- As art: Well, do video games count as art? The debate rages on but
its not gonna get answered here nor for a while I predict. Regardless,
the ending finsihed with such abstraction and obscurity that ANY over or
under-riding plots or messages to it were missed. And to me, thats not
good art but again im not an expert and find that make me uncultered but
you know what its not up to Bioware or anyone else to suddenly decide
to inject a dose of culture which would make even the most bohemian poet
giddy with ironic imagery. For a series which has largley been based on
CLEAR and ETHICAL decisions which lead to consequences based on a
persons morality, I dont want to see some sub-contextual message flash
in all for 5 minutes depicting sacrifice when it doesnt show what the
outcome of your toil was. And this comes after what is usually well over
100 of gameplay plus a considerable amount of money for the games and
additional content.
And while we are on the subject of art do well to remember that some
prominent writers and play wrights have re-written plays and novels to
suit public appeal, most notable SIr Arthur Conan-Doyle Dickens and
there are plenty of others. And lets not forget that even a video game
changed its ending following popular appeal , yep even Fallout 3, after
killing you off, fan protest was so great that DLC brought you back so
that you could explore the wasteland, for replayability, which is now a
major sticking point in the ME universe as its now all rendered moot but
such a restrictive ending.
So Ive given you some very clear reasons why, evidence that the fans
are not simple spoiled brats demanidng ponies and I’ve even given you
precedent. Maybe we can now look to the fact that why its such the
popular opinion of all writers in the games media to belittle the effort
of fans, fellow gamers (though I have my doubts on that), simply
because it makes for a better article? People who have had the
“audacity” to stand up for what they believe in and to let their
favourite team of devs know that they really could have done better with
their favourite franchise.
What works for some doesnt work for the majority in this case and
dissapointment does not mean dislike, it means that the devs should be
sitting up and taking notes because we know they can do better.
Its just a shame that like the meaning behind the games ending, everyone else has missed this point.

extremely well put, sir.

[No_MSG]

I really hope something happens with the ending soon. I really want to start a play through with Hitler Shepard.

[cyrrant]

mattynutz wrote...
<snip>

I probably should have made it clearer, second and third paragraphs weren't directed at you.  It was more a general call to action and I'm sorry I didn't clarify.

Did you at least bring your basket of baby battle axes?  I think that would be a good compromise.

If you left your emotions out of it that's fine, then.  I guess it just came off as harsh to me, but it could be my own biases coming into play.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[MrFob]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

EDIT: None of this affects my role. I'm still your advocate and am actively collecting feedback, thoughts, questions, concerns etc. 

First of all, Thank you Ms. Merizan. Although I was not actively par of the discussion in this thread, I read your posts and found them rather insightful and I appreciate your active and candid communication with the community. Therefore I am sorry to see this post.
I also know that you asked us not to over interpret your posts here but this one specifically strikes me as odd. I was surprised to see such clear answers from you yesterday especially when most BW devs - even the ones usually very active on the boards - have been very very silent since release.
I expected this was the case because everyone was still trying to figure out how best to deal with the situation. I also admit, as remote as the possibility was, part of me still hoped BW would have something up their sleeve (e.g. Indoctrination theory) and kept silent until they revealed it. However, your posts and the statement by Ray Muzyka this morning are strong indications to the contrary.
To me, your last post (above) almost sounds like your change to a more hands-off approach could have been a suggestion by the BW PR department, especially given the earlier statements on PR and our posts.
Again, I am sorry if this is just another example of over-interpretation but I actually hope that this is so. Why? Because if that is not the case, I am genuinely sorry that the community has apparently driven one of the most open and enthusiastic CMs I have ever seen to retract from that role. This would not be a very proud moment for us. I think the RetakeME and "hold the line" movement has the right idea and consists mostly of genuinely passionate fans (like myself) but it is a shame to see that your quoted post is one of our results.
In any event, thanks again for the great community management and personal involvement and enthusiasm.

[Nicky 192]

Little laughter while we hold the line a tribute to the greatest space marine who ever lived ! while we hold the line

[seitani]

Deathfromabo wrote...

seitani wrote...

What happened to this discussion did people become too paranoid and went too far with their conspiracy theories

No disrespect but i fail to see what you are referring to. Analysis of information seems to be pretty even all through the thread.

No disrespect to you but i'm referring to Jessica Merizan not talking about mass effect anymore on her twitter, her changed BSN role, Jarret Lee getting paranoid by you guys and whole atghunter PR bull****. Very ****ing nice job guys you must feel great.

[Jessica Merizan]

mattynutz wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.
(snip)

Before I respond to this, let me stand corrected. Part of my point rested on the assumption that Ms. Merizan was a salaried employee and thus was being disingenious when claiming that she was not being paid to tweet about BW and ME. I will, however, stand by my position that her willingness to tweet as a booster for product was the employee equivalent of paying under the table. It wasn't necessary, but if she wasn't going to do it, then someone else who was was going to get the job. 

Clearly the more rude tweets that people sent to her, and discussion of her twitter got to her. I doubt that that was the intention of anyone discussing that on this board. If she's only being paid hourly, then she absolutely should not be tweeting about this in her off time. It isn't healthy, especially given the heated nature of this discussion.

I find it interesting to note that Ms. Merizan didn't address me, nor quote my post, but merely referenced it in the thrid person. The purpose of this is to put a human face on herself while objectifying a person who disagreed with her.

That being said, this is another appeal to sympathy. It's meant to be taken like the kids found Mary Poppins crying in her room when they wouldn't behave. It is meant to soften the harsh criticism and make any percieved victory of the day feel hollow and empty. It is meant to make everyone criticising BW and their PR methods feel guilty. And I think that it has worked. If you haven't yet, you should take a look at the story of Napoleon Chagnone (the anthropologist whom I referenced in that long post I wrote). There are parallels to what just happened here.

To Ms. Merizan, as I said in a follow up post to that really long post., I really don't want to come off as a D-Bag, but it isn't fair to deflect criticism with hurt feelings. I'll add that, it is fair to be displeased with people who were harrassing you on twitter and you should never do work that you aren't being paid for. 

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that so my words remain untwisted.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion. <3

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 22 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[musicaleCA]

punkenjunki3 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

I MEANT TO EDIT, BUT IT WAS REPOSTED ACCIDENTALLY


Guys, we need to show the public we're not what this article says we are.
Help further our cause. Be civil and battle using logic and reason.
Please post in the comments showing just how "immature" we are. 

http://oxcgn.com/201...reative-vision/

Thank you.

Incidentally this is what i replied to this article, its still awaiting moderation on the site, and due to its size i should start my own damn blog. Its clear the writer didnt really research much before deciding to call us spoilt brats.

Anyways I WARN YOU. Its long: 

An interesting article, but however like so many others you have
missed some critical points. First however your demonising people who
have a genuine interest in the franchise and are only acting to make it
known that they are not happy with the developers direction. That to me
seems to be the actions of a caring fanbase, who SHOULD give feedback
good and bad, otherwise how will the developers know what they did right
or wrong and where to improve?
The fanbase is not some rabid entitled fanboy rally, if you have
taken the time to read the posts and other articles and their comments
(Such as at FORBES) you will see there are clear, concise, well thought
out ideas and feedback for the devs to work off. They are not foaming at
the mouth fanboys who want a sunshine and ponies ending.
You mention your lawsuit against James Cameron, I’m not legal expert
but I’m going to advise against that. But seeing as youve brought this
up the issue of whether games are products (ie commerical commodities
subject to typical statutory rights or fit for purpose, quality etc..)
or whether they are art. Exapanding on this:
- As a commercial product: The game was advertised to be based solely
on player choice and to offer an experience which would reflect the
outcomes of these choices. For 99% it did that, right up to the last
decision (where it you know, kinda matters) where you are given 3
endings which hardly vary at all, which goes against pre-release
comments that gamers will NOT end up with a simple A, B, C choice, when
infact thats exactley what they got. With no closure, incosistencies
everywhere, plot holes entire galaxies could be swallowed up in, thats
what has caused the discontent with the ending. Not because it lacked
sunshine or ponies.
- As art: Well, do video games count as art? The debate rages on but
its not gonna get answered here nor for a while I predict. Regardless,
the ending finsihed with such abstraction and obscurity that ANY over or
under-riding plots or messages to it were missed. And to me, thats not
good art but again im not an expert and find that make me uncultered but
you know what its not up to Bioware or anyone else to suddenly decide
to inject a dose of culture which would make even the most bohemian poet
giddy with ironic imagery. For a series which has largley been based on
CLEAR and ETHICAL decisions which lead to consequences based on a
persons morality, I dont want to see some sub-contextual message flash
in all for 5 minutes depicting sacrifice when it doesnt show what the
outcome of your toil was. And this comes after what is usually well over
100 of gameplay plus a considerable amount of money for the games and
additional content.
And while we are on the subject of art do well to remember that some
prominent writers and play wrights have re-written plays and novels to
suit public appeal, most notable SIr Arthur Conan-Doyle Dickens and
there are plenty of others. And lets not forget that even a video game
changed its ending following popular appeal , yep even Fallout 3, after
killing you off, fan protest was so great that DLC brought you back so
that you could explore the wasteland, for replayability, which is now a
major sticking point in the ME universe as its now all rendered moot but
such a restrictive ending.
So Ive given you some very clear reasons why, evidence that the fans
are not simple spoiled brats demanidng ponies and I’ve even given you
precedent. Maybe we can now look to the fact that why its such the
popular opinion of all writers in the games media to belittle the effort
of fans, fellow gamers (though I have my doubts on that), simply
because it makes for a better article? People who have had the
“audacity” to stand up for what they believe in and to let their
favourite team of devs know that they really could have done better with
their favourite franchise.
What works for some doesnt work for the majority in this case and
dissapointment does not mean dislike, it means that the devs should be
sitting up and taking notes because we know they can do better.
Its just a shame that like the meaning behind the games ending, everyone else has missed this point.

Good for you! I think they deleted mine. Which really sucks because it has since been lost in the dark void of my computer's buffers...

[cyrrant]

seitani wrote...

Deathfromabo wrote...

seitani wrote...

What happened to this discussion did people become too paranoid and went too far with their conspiracy theories

No disrespect but i fail to see what you are referring to. Analysis of information seems to be pretty even all through the thread.

No disrespect to you but i'm referring to Jessica Merizan not talking about mass effect anymore on her twitter, her changed BSN role, Jarret Lee getting paranoid by you guys and whole atghunter PR bull****. Very ****ing nice job guys you must feel great.

I think Jessica just clarified why she stopped talking about Bioware on her twitter.  And it's not because of what you just said.

[N7_Sniper91]

Felt I need to repost a post I made on another topic;

To the people who are saying/thinking "Oh look, Ray Muzyka himself responded to us, that means we're getting new endings!", think again.

He clearly says they're going to offer "clarity" on the EXISTING endings, not add any new ones. Which means that chances are that they're trying to placate us by giving us some cheap "Epilogue-By-Text" after these crappy endings, instead of giving us what we were promised.

Don't just settle for any scraps they're willing to throw at us, because as I recall, we're here because we hated the endings and wanted what they promised us in the first place; multiple, DIFFERENT endings, and ones that actually made sense and provided closure.

The fight isn't over yet people. Hold The Line!