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#8951
Chumasaurus

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Noatz wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.


PR DEFLECTION!

*ahem*

[EDI]That was a joke[/EDI]

I think people have read atghunter's posts and become overnight PR experts. Its one thing to pick the meaning from a deliberately obtuse statement, but quite another to make assumptions as to other people's intentions without any concrete evidence.


I'm starting to see this quite a bit across the whole forum and, yes we are getting a PR run around, but no not everyone is an expert in this field. Thanks for saying it, I think everyone needs to take what you said to heart.

#8952
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shephard987 wrote...

G0ldmember wrote...

Sigh...we....are....being...civil....here....we....are...civil....we......I give up. We (here, this thread, here, right here right now. Not twitter, not email, HERE) have been civil the whole time but constantly we are being questioned about why we are NOT civil. IGN, Kotaku, Giantbomb and all those big sites constantly rip us apart with lies but WE have to stay civil.

Even Ghandi didnt have to endure this much!

/rant

I'm good now...


We all know how frustrating it is. And they will KEEP thinking that about us,
UNTIL we show them they have a wrong picture of us. 
You would be surprised by the responses we are getting now from the media, 
as some are lauding us for keeping to our cause. 
When you find an article that bashes our movement for something we are not,
SHOW THEM. TELL THEM. SPREAD THE RATIONALE. 
If we show them reason, they will understand.
We're doing well in our cause. 
But this is far from over.
CIVILITY IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE
and DO not lose HOPE. 
Ask yourself, what would Jesus do? 
What would Ghandi do?
What would Shepard do? 

THEN DO IT.

Hold the Line


Shepard would punch the problem until it fell over.  Unless this is the end, then he would accept every phrase as truth.

#8953
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seitani wrote...

Deathfromabo wrote...

seitani wrote...

What happened to this discussion did people become too paranoid and went too far with their conspiracy theories


No disrespect but i fail to see what you are referring to. Analysis of information seems to be pretty even all through the thread.


No disrespect to you but i'm referring to Jessica Merizan not talking about mass effect anymore on her twitter, her changed BSN role, Jarret Lee getting paranoid by you guys and whole atghunter PR bull****. Very ****ing nice job guys you must feel great.


Nah, I don't feel great, I just finished ME3.

#8954
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MiguelGarciaCalvin wrote...

Nette wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I don't WANT a dlc that explains the current endings. I want the Indoctrination theory put in. It makes so much sense! Has Bioware looked into it in detail?


Yes, and what is so ingenious about the indoc theory is that they don't even have to change anything about the current ending just keep building on it. It's hard to believe that they could have made the game with so many things pointing to indoctrination and not notice it themselves....well, intended or not, it's the perfect way for Bioware to get out of this mess.


I'm slowly being seduced by this camp as well.


After watching a few videos it seems obvious, even when looking at ME's cryptic tweet

#8955
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shephard987 wrote...

G0ldmember wrote...

Sigh...we....are....being...civil....here....we....are...civil....we......I give up. We (here, this thread, here, right here right now. Not twitter, not email, HERE) have been civil the whole time but constantly we are being questioned about why we are NOT civil. IGN, Kotaku, Giantbomb and all those big sites constantly rip us apart with lies but WE have to stay civil.

Even Ghandi didnt have to endure this much!

/rant

I'm good now...


We all know how frustrating it is. And they will KEEP thinking that about us,
UNTIL we show them they have a wrong picture of us. 
You would be surprised by the responses we are getting now from the media, 
as some are lauding us for keeping to our cause. 
When you find an article that bashes our movement for something we are not,
SHOW THEM. TELL THEM. SPREAD THE RATIONALE. 
If we show them reason, they will understand.
We're doing well in our cause. 
But this is far from over.
CIVILITY IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE
and DO not lose HOPE. 
Ask yourself, what would Jesus do? 
What would Ghandi do?
What would Shepard do? 

THEN DO IT.

Hold the Line


Ummm...what if Shepard would punch a reporter in the face?  Just asking...

#8956
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i fear this is all we will get

Go to 1 minute in



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shephard987 wrote...

G0ldmember wrote...

Sigh...we....are....being...civil....here....we....are...civil....we......I give up. We (here, this thread, here, right here right now. Not twitter, not email, HERE) have been civil the whole time but constantly we are being questioned about why we are NOT civil. IGN, Kotaku, Giantbomb and all those big sites constantly rip us apart with lies but WE have to stay civil.

Even Ghandi didnt have to endure this much!

/rant

I'm good now...


We all know how frustrating it is. And they will KEEP thinking that about us,
UNTIL we show them they have a wrong picture of us. 
You would be surprised by the responses we are getting now from the media, 
as some are lauding us for keeping to our cause. 
When you find an article that bashes our movement for something we are not,
SHOW THEM. TELL THEM. SPREAD THE RATIONALE. 
If we show them reason, they will understand.
We're doing well in our cause. 
But this is far from over.
CIVILITY IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE
and DO not lose HOPE. 
Ask yourself, what would Jesus do? 
What would Ghandi do?
What would Shepard do? 

THEN DO IT.

Hold the Line


I wish I had more to say, but I am just so exhausted, so I'm going to QFT this guy because he has his head on straight. Hold the Line people; stay engaged, stay civilized, stay smart. 

Modifié par SavageLycan, 22 mars 2012 - 01:24 .


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No_MSG wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

What would Shepard do? 

THEN DO IT.

Hold the Line


Shepard would punch the problem until it fell over.  Unless this is the end, then he would accept every phrase as truth.


Hah, umm... sorry... I guess I should have said 
what would PARAGON shepard do? 

(I swear, if you say the same thing...) :D

Hold the Line

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Chumasaurus wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.


Woah, that is unacceptable. I must have missed her saying that.

"I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that."

Absolutely unacceptable behavior.

Modifié par Mavaras, 22 mars 2012 - 01:29 .


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G0ldmember wrote...

Sigh...we....are....being...civil....here....we....are...civil....we......I give up. We (here, this thread, here, right here right now. Not twitter, not email, HERE) have been civil the whole time but constantly we are being questioned about why we are NOT civil. IGN, Kotaku, Giantbomb and all those big sites constantly rip us apart with lies but WE have to stay civil.

Even Ghandi didnt have to endure this much!

/rant

I'm good now...


I'm one of those "never posted but followed intensly" folks but I just had to quote this because honestly this is how I have been feeling lately.

I just wish that people (I mean everyone not anybody in specific, everybody who is generalizing) would stop for a moment and take the time to realize that most people involved are being very civil. Considering what exactly is going on people are actually surprising me with how civil they are being. I just don't think it's fair to make a generalization that most people involved in this thread are attacking anybody (And I mean anybody).

Anyways I don't know if this actually make any sense and to be honest it's more than I wanted to write, I just understand exactly how G0ldmember feels and I guess I felt like I needed to show that  >.<

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Well I am really not that upset with those that are not acting civil right now, I guess they feel that it is the right thing to do... Dont get me wrong, I do not approve of it, it is sort of like rubbing salt on a wound.

I for one think its really cool of BW / EA to give out the press release, either way it shows a official line of Communication to the community about this issue. Nothing has been won or lost, all it shows is progress that is open to interpretation, in one form or another something will come of this. Do I know.. not in the slightest, Do you know, well unless you work for BW and are a part of the ME3 team, Non of us know for certain what exactly is being done. They are the only ones that know for sure at this point in time.

Stay Civil.

#8962
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DrowVampyre wrote...

*starts a slow clap* Bra-fookin-vo.

I'm Commander Shepard and this is (one of) my favorite post(s) on the forum.


*adds to slow clap by clapping a little faster*

Gexora wrote...

Then Mr. Lee waltzes in, says some vague stuff while being polite and humorous, ignores all questions but the most innocent one, waltzes out - and everyone falls head over feet praising him. Then, some pages later, people are slowly realising they were played like little vorcha, and start arguing about that. I agree with someone saying we were so tired of Bioware treating us like bull****, we are at the point where anyone treating us like humans is idolized. 



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shephard987 wrote...

Ask yourself, what would Jesus do?


While ranting and screaming about blastphemy, toss a few tables of people's possessions...don't really want to go for that.

What would Ghandi do?


Get the crap beaten out of him while trying to burn his copy of the game.

What would Shepard do? 


Punch someone for their disingenuous assertions. Probably...unless they're ParaShep.

#8964
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shephard987 wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

What would Shepard do? 

THEN DO IT.

Hold the Line


Shepard would punch the problem until it fell over.  Unless this is the end, then he would accept every phrase as truth.


Hah, umm... sorry... I guess I should have said 
what would PARAGON shepard do? 

(I swear, if you say the same thing...) :D

Hold the Line


Sorry, Paragon Shepard would also accept every phrase as truth.  He would, however, try to yell at the problem before punching/head butting it.

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Jessica Merizan might be a genuinely nice person outside her job but when she is posting here and twitter concerning mass effect i do not care if some PR puppet strings are in the play she has to stick to a line, playing the sympathy card is and old PR tactic she may be using at her own Discretion(which we cannot allow it to affect our movement) we were promised things that we deserve that is the short story of why i am here and i do have moderate knowledge of PR and there undehanded tactics (long before this thread lol)

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 22 mars 2012 - 01:31 .


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Mavaras wrote...

Chumasaurus wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.


Woah, that is pretty unacceptable. I must have missed her saying that.

"I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that."

Absolutely unacceptable behavior.


Here we go again picking posts apart

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Mavaras wrote...

Chumasaurus wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.


Woah, that is pretty unacceptable. I must have missed her saying that.

"I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that."

Absolutely unacceptable behavior.


It is not a secret that some of our members are rowdy in their vocality. 
If you read the previous quote, I have and I agree with Ms. Merizan's statement, that those of us 
that make these seemingly hostile remarks should be held accountable. 
It is unfortunate that their choices affect us as well, however, 
we must live with Ms. Merizan's stance and respect her for it. 
Please do not throw more fuel to the fire. 
What's done is done. 
Keep holding the line. 
DO not get distracted. 
I'll be right there with you.

Holding the Line

#8968
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seitani wrote...

Mavaras wrote...

Chumasaurus wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.


Woah, that is pretty unacceptable. I must have missed her saying that.

"I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that."

Absolutely unacceptable behavior.


Here we go again picking posts apart


Lol. You really bought into her rhetoric hook line and sinker didn't you?

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shephard987 wrote...

Mavaras wrote...

Chumasaurus wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.


Woah, that is pretty unacceptable. I must have missed her saying that.

"I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that."

Absolutely unacceptable behavior.


It is not a secret that some of our members are rowdy in their vocality. 
If you read the previous quote, I have and I agree with Ms. Merizan's statement, that those of us 
that make these seemingly hostile remarks should be held accountable. 
It is unfortunate that their choices affect us as well, however, 
we must live with Ms. Merizan's stance and respect her for it. 
Please do not throw more fuel to the fire. 
What's done is done. 
Keep holding the line. 
DO not get distracted. 
I'll be right there with you.

Holding the Line


HOLD THE PHONE!!!! Don't know how this happened, but that is a misquote, I did not say that. The Twitter lady said that!

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Jessica Merizan wrote...


mattynutz wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.
(snip)


Before I respond to this, let me stand corrected. Part of my point rested on the assumption that Ms. Merizan was a salaried employee and thus was being disingenious when claiming that she was not being paid to tweet about BW and ME. I will, however, stand by my position that her willingness to tweet as a booster for product was the employee equivalent of paying under the table. It wasn't necessary, but if she wasn't going to do it, then someone else who was was going to get the job. 

Clearly the more rude tweets that people sent to her, and discussion of her twitter got to her. I doubt that that was the intention of anyone discussing that on this board. If she's only being paid hourly, then she absolutely should not be tweeting about this in her off time. It isn't healthy, especially given the heated nature of this discussion.

I find it interesting to note that Ms. Merizan didn't address me, nor quote my post, but merely referenced it in the thrid person. The purpose of this is to put a human face on herself while objectifying a person who disagreed with her.

That being said, this is another appeal to sympathy. It's meant to be taken like the kids found Mary Poppins crying in her room when they wouldn't behave. It is meant to soften the harsh criticism and make any percieved victory of the day feel hollow and empty. It is meant to make everyone criticising BW and their PR methods feel guilty. And I think that it has worked. If you haven't yet, you should take a look at the story of Napoleon Chagnone (the anthropologist whom I referenced in that long post I wrote). There are parallels to what just happened here.

To Ms. Merizan, as I said in a follow up post to that really long post., I really don't want to come off as a D-Bag, but it isn't fair to deflect criticism with hurt feelings. I'll add that, it is fair to be displeased with people who were harrassing you on twitter and you should never do work that you aren't being paid for. 


"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that so my words remain untwisted.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion. <3


Ms. Merizan, thanks again for talking to us. As I said in my direct reply to you earlier today, I stated that I'd not understand the company backlash. I still don't. Your answers and conversations here, on the company's home turf, were greeted with nothing but pleasure and positive attitudes by us of the RME- and if that is somehow displeasing to the point you're no longer engaging with us, then I'm worried.

Especially when you're displeased to the point of singling out people among the consensus as a scapegoat (or not, maybe he did cause all this, that single user, I'm being serious here) to your reasons, whatever may they be. I boldened a very important part in your statement, in my single opinion as an individual. Then I underlined what follows, because it is a contradiction. Honestly, I'm not one to genuinely care about most things on forums, but perhaps you want to adress that. That is a direct attack to a person making a completely logical statement, for his own reasons, while he respected yours. He even defended you in his statement while disagreeing with you. He left it up to us to interpret his words, agree or disagree with it, while remaining civil, as we saw fit and did so far, and will continue doing.  

It was not our gospel. What he said would not have so much consequence unless we decided to add it to the consensus in the OP, because that is how we're organizing things here. Hell, even my words my mean nothing to the community as a whole, and I'll be ok with that. The main point of me coming to these forums is still there and central to everyone. 

The detractors of the movement can call us entitled to what they may want. We're the ones taking the criticism to our movement with a clear head and doing positive things about it. Hell, even the ones who gave up and took a refund have donated to child's play (or so they say, but I tend to believe them for the statistics after refunds were rolled out).

For us, it isn't even about the money, for whoever may think so. Everyone here has their reasons, but with a charity drive like that, money it ain't. And we should keep showing them that.

Keep civil and hold the line.

(I wonder how many pages blazed past, and if this is still relevant. if it isn't, i'm sorry, i just wanted to make sure this was not rude or detrimental in any way. I still hold Ms. Merizan in high regards for the community she helped build, the ones that gave us all our mods among other things)

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shephard987 wrote...

Mavaras wrote...

Chumasaurus wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.


Woah, that is pretty unacceptable. I must have missed her saying that.

"I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that."

Absolutely unacceptable behavior.


It is not a secret that some of our members are rowdy in their vocality. 
If you read the previous quote, I have and I agree with Ms. Merizan's statement, that those of us 
that make these seemingly hostile remarks should be held accountable. 
It is unfortunate that their choices affect us as well, however, 
we must live with Ms. Merizan's stance and respect her for it. 
Please do not throw more fuel to the fire. 
What's done is done. 
Keep holding the line. 
DO not get distracted. 
I'll be right there with you.

Holding the Line


She is not your friend in this fight lol. She is alienating somebody with the same goals and motives as us. The line between friend and enemy is getting really thin on these boards; also known as, PR working effectively.

Modifié par Mavaras, 22 mars 2012 - 01:34 .


#8972
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chkchkchk wrote...

Lucypo0n wrote...

A little motivation for continuing to hold the line: http://i.imgur.com/3Qq6U.jpg

Tears of laughter.  Shimmering tears of laughter.

EA as the Eye of Sauron really got me going. That was a really good poke! :o

#8973
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calm down everyone this is turning into a couple pages of fuel for the fire against us

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How about we stop talking about what Jessica Merizan may or may not have said. It doesn't matter one way or the other. If a Bioware rep/employee says something, we don't need to rip it apart. We aren't fighting the Bioware PR department. We're trying to get better endings.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...


mattynutz wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.
(snip)


Before I respond to this, let me stand corrected. Part of my point rested on the assumption that Ms. Merizan was a salaried employee and thus was being disingenious when claiming that she was not being paid to tweet about BW and ME. I will, however, stand by my position that her willingness to tweet as a booster for product was the employee equivalent of paying under the table. It wasn't necessary, but if she wasn't going to do it, then someone else who was was going to get the job. 

Clearly the more rude tweets that people sent to her, and discussion of her twitter got to her. I doubt that that was the intention of anyone discussing that on this board. If she's only being paid hourly, then she absolutely should not be tweeting about this in her off time. It isn't healthy, especially given the heated nature of this discussion.

I find it interesting to note that Ms. Merizan didn't address me, nor quote my post, but merely referenced it in the thrid person. The purpose of this is to put a human face on herself while objectifying a person who disagreed with her.

That being said, this is another appeal to sympathy. It's meant to be taken like the kids found Mary Poppins crying in her room when they wouldn't behave. It is meant to soften the harsh criticism and make any percieved victory of the day feel hollow and empty. It is meant to make everyone criticising BW and their PR methods feel guilty. And I think that it has worked. If you haven't yet, you should take a look at the story of Napoleon Chagnone (the anthropologist whom I referenced in that long post I wrote). There are parallels to what just happened here.

To Ms. Merizan, as I said in a follow up post to that really long post., I really don't want to come off as a D-Bag, but it isn't fair to deflect criticism with hurt feelings. I'll add that, it is fair to be displeased with people who were harrassing you on twitter and you should never do work that you aren't being paid for. 


"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that so my words remain untwisted.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion. <3

Ignore people like him. The rest of us are willing and eager to engage in civil discussion when the time is right.