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[Anteocitis]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I used to review computer games. This is back-in-the-day of real magazines printed onto physical medium, pre-consoles and thus, yes, positively archaic.

One thing I can tell you all, with absolute confidence is this: any time a games company (and I have met a few of Bioware's employees in person {jolly nice chaps they all were too!}) starts quoting the "critical reviews" as proof of their game being great, well, then you know that the office fan is no longer stirring just air.
I remain amazed, or appalled (I haven’t yet decided) at how few of these modern reviewers failed to find anything odd, amateurish or hammy about the ending. I mean the VERY end, the Joker/Normandy Adam & Eve bit... not just the “Chose A, B or C too end your game” non-player involved bit before that.
I am appalled by the manner in which some ‘reviewers’ are defending ME3 and Bioware (or rather their own inability to foresee the monumental ****storm that has enveloped them all) by attempting to ridicule the complaints as “miffed fans” who didn’t get a cutesy, happy ending.
I have read many, many of the complaints and the over-riding message I have drawn from those fans is nothing to do with happy endings and everything to do with ‘endings that make sense’.
So even if totally ignore the am-dram ending, the lack of closure, the almost total absence of “resolution to all your questions”, even if you ignore the Bioware PR disaster of producing an A,B,C ending when they promised everything but that, even if you ignore the horridly cheap “lets save some money by just changing the colour of the effect” end sequences, even if you ignore all other issues and commentary: why doesn’t the ending make any real sense… and before you say “It Does”…. Why doesn’t the ending make any real sense (emphasis) in the context of the three games taken as a whole. (/emphasis)

Prior to playing ME3 I re-ran ME2 with all of the available DLC, there was nice little “Arrival” DLC where I saved the galaxy from an early spawning of Reapers by trashing a Relay and, inconsequentially, wiping out an entire system and 300,000 Batarians in the process.  It was made blindingly and repeatedly obvious to me, the player, that having Relays “Go Boom” was BAD.

Very bad, super-nova bad. Top-Scientists and 300,000 Batarians agree with me.
Relays going “BOOM” tend to end all life regardless of it being synthetic, organic or even British Tabloid Journalists (well, OK, maybe not the latter as they may not qualify as ‘life’).

So why, even ignoring the Joker/EDI love affair and the Geth/Quarian love-in that I had single handily brokered, do I suddenly find myself unable to even bring these rather discordant points to the attention of the Reaper God Child?

“Dear God Child, actually I just brokered organic-AI peace, not once, but twice….but I wont mention that as I am such a shy, retiring person”...Oh, actually, No. I am Commander Shepard. Eat this!”
Nothing and I do mean absolutely nothing, in the 100 odd hours of playing Commander Shepard from ME to ME3, could have prepared me for such a limp finish, to find my Shepard a useless jelly, devoid of personal thought or conviction, unable to point out “the bleedin’ obvious” to a clearly non-threatening AI/God Child/Thingy.
(emphasis)He didn’t even have a gun!
It just made no sense.
It isn’t about happy, or sad, or having little Quarian grand-kids, it’s about suddenly finding myself at the end of a game series which has, throughout, given me the power to decide fate, with absolutely no involvement in the ending, ignoring my major decisions (over which I agonised) and spending 10 minutes watching “Generic Ending A” is a kind of fugue state with my brain shouting “No way! They can seriously have an ending that is THIS naff!”.
I re-ran the ending, just in case I’d missed something.

 My 7 year old daughter said “It’s the same but they changed the colour Daddy”.

“No” I said, “there was a difference: the first time through I was a Bioware fan.”.

Modifié par Anteocitis, 22 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Candoo]

Nette wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I don't WANT a dlc that explains the current endings. I want the Indoctrination theory put in. It makes so much sense! Has Bioware looked into it in detail?

Yes, and what is so ingenious about the indoc theory is that they don't even have to change anything about the current ending just keep building on it. It's hard to believe that they could have made the game with so many things pointing to indoctrination and not notice it themselves....well, intended or not, it's the perfect way for Bioware to get out of this mess.

Just a thought, but perhaps, IF they do release more, it may be what was originally intended. The plot line where Shepard survives, could be one of the final choices that we were allowed to make, and they ALREADY have DLC being held, waiting to be released. Just a thought.

[atghunter]

MeldarthX wrote...

Guys and Gals - lets lighten the mood a little....

OMG I just got tweeted this.......

This is win

http://i.imgur.com/3Qq6U.jpg


HOLD THE LINE

You just made an old gamer smile (and laugh out loud for that matter) /salute

[Vap0ur_Snake]

What's happened? I can't actually find all the arguing but I've heardentions of it. Has someone sent in a "plant" to try and cause a ruckus?

If someone gives the lowdown that would be great.

Also, has it been defused?

[dalethfc]

Keep The Faith,, Hold The Line..

Our Choices Should Matter

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Can you hyperlink that picture? I'm on my iPhone

[Ampmaster]

Enichan wrote...

You know what I dislike about the whole paranoid rethoric that's been a little too heavy up in here the last day or two? That you can't argue with it. If Bioware's people argue with it it's just a PR ploy. If we argue with it we're just saps who are falling for the ploy. So what, you guys are just right by virtue of always being right?

And for the record, being cold while not directly insulting is not being civil. I'm sure I'll be labelled an idiot for "falling for the ruse" and "sowing dissent in the ranks", but whatever. If anyone wants me, I'll be over in the Child's Play thread.

Well that's the whole point of intense paranoia in general. If you're not "in on it" you're either part of the cover up or part of the "sheeple". Goddess protect, reminds me of this one idiot we had at my last base, pleasent old coot out in town who was convinced to the point of no return that the US military was running secret experiments out of my base. Like grabbing people in the night and doing medical experiments. He cited that we had numerous night flights with helicopters out in to the desert. Now you can accept the sensible explanation that we did a lot of training at my base so a lot of night flying's needed for those qualifications, and that even when we didn't have units in town to train we had a very active SAR unit, and one of the few SAR units capable of a "technical" rescue. (that is to rappeling a Corpsman (medic) into provide critical treatment of the wounded and hoisting the Corpsman and the wounded out again all with out landing) but you know rational explanations = cover up.

[MeldarthX]

Right folks,

Listen up - those that are saying we're not fighting BW's PR or EA's PR.......yes we are. Sorry they are not fuzzy bunnies - they are a company. The bottom line is - they care about making money.

BW might care a little more for their customers over say EA - but to affect change on any corperate stucture - has to be through economics.

If someone from BW comes in - we be polite - engage them - and be respectful. We've done enough to be noticed by EA - they've pulled in a VP - aka the CEO to do something about this. This means we've hit them economically and this is exactly what we have to keep doing to get this change.

People might not like this completely but this is business folks. I'm no being harsh just truthful. BW/EA will use any and all tatics to make this go away without having to spend more than is nessary. They are having meetings day and possibly nights now to figure out which is the best way to do this.

Expanded/new ending or ride it out - If we fall apart now; we'll get nothing. Period - its crunch time.

1 - Stay Respectful - treat others how you want to be treated.

2 - Keep posting; keep tweeting; keep the news on them; keep the pressure. This literally is the only way to get the ending that ME should have.

3. They want feedback - give it - give your ideas but keep it clean.....

If you're getting burned out - take a break - eat; sleep - writing. Donate to the charity. This is a marathon - not a sprint - even though we've come so far so fast; now is the time to keep it up.


HOLD THE LINE.

[shephard987]

Mavaras wrote...

seitani wrote...

I didn't "bought" anything but picking her every post apart and overanalyzing every word is ****ing stupid.

Nothing about what I wrote is stupid. If you think so, please explain to me why. If not, we are at an impasse. Being civil goes both ways. We need to be civil to each other and Bioware, and they need to be civil to us. What she wrote was not civil.

There is NO line being blurred here. 
She wrote that in response to a seemingly aggressive post from one of our members.
If I were her, I would have written the same. 
All of this "overanalyzing" IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO OUR MOVEMENT.
She is still looking over us and is making sure our voice is being heard.
PLEASE stop adding fuel to this already overgrown misunderstood fire.
If you have a personal message to her or anyone else, please keep it just that. A Personal Message. 
The more people see this, the more material we give that makes them think we're immature and paranoid. 

Please, take this into consideration.

thank you.

Hold the Line

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Also when people write a REALLY long post can people quote it? It's super annoying when multiple pages are taken up someone writing a long post then multiple people quoting it then responding to it.
Rant over
Hold. The. Line.

[Mavaras]

[quote]shephard987 wrote...

[quote]Mavaras wrote...

[quote]seitani wrote...

I didn't "bought" anything but picking her every post apart and overanalyzing every word is ****ing stupid.

[/quote]
There is NO line being blurred here. 
She wrote that in response to a seemingly aggressive post from one of our members.
If I were her, I would have written the same. 
All of this "overanalyzing" IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO OUR MOVEMENT.
She is still looking over us and is making sure our voice is being heard.
PLEASE stop adding fuel to this already overgrown misunderstood fire.
If you have a personal message to her or anyone else, please keep it just that. A Personal Message. 
The more people see this, the more material we give that makes them think we're immature and paranoid. 

Please, take this into consideration.

thank you.

Hold the Line

[/quote]

This isn't about her lol. It is about alienating Matty, which is wrong. Either you see that or you don't. I'm not your enemy, so if you want me to stop addressing this, I'll do you a solid. I just want to make sure people understand the point of what I was saying. It is unacceptable to alienate people here discussing things that have done so in a logical and reasonable manner. Nothing more, nothing less. The comment about the line being blurred was referring to us attacking each other BTW.

Modifié par Mavaras, 22 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[cyrrant]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

What's happened? I can't actually find all the arguing but I've heardentions of it. Has someone sent in a "plant" to try and cause a ruckus?

If someone gives the lowdown that would be great.

Also, has it been defused?

No plants, but rhetoric got heated.  Things are calming down a little now.

[Ampmaster]

You know relaxing really isn't an awful idea, giving up and taking a break are very different things and I'd say the strain we saw earlier today was probably the result of a couple of us pushing themselves towards a burn out. We're a very "instant gratification" and very high speed in general culture outside of the internet and we can double that for the online portions of our culture. Taking a break, kicking back with some non-ME3 related anything, getting out for a hike, maybe throw a steak (or veggie skewers for the bunny huggers) on the grill. Keep holding the line... just from a lawn chair or something, maybe with something tall and strong in a glass.

[Lucas Wolfen]

Kilshrek wrote...

Let me leave you all with this piece of hypocrisy to consider.

Appearance pack DLC = players want these sort of DLC, so we release more of them. It makes business sense.

Ending DLC = we have to defend our artistic integrity.

Kinda funny and nice catch.

So, apparently Bioware/EA has the belief that the writers have more artistic merit than their own visual design department?

Maybe we should contact some of the visual designers and see if we can get them onto our side

Hold the line!

[MeldarthX]

Ampmaster wrote...

You know relaxing really isn't an awful idea, giving up and taking a break are very different things and I'd say the strain we saw earlier today was probably the result of a couple of us pushing themselves towards a burn out. We're a very "instant gratification" and very high speed in general culture outside of the internet and we can double that for the online portions of our culture. Taking a break, kicking back with some non-ME3 related anything, getting out for a hike, maybe throw a steak (or veggie skewers for the bunny huggers) on the grill. Keep holding the line... just from a lawn chair or something, maybe with something tall and strong in a glass.

Do the Krogens get to eat the bunny huggers?   Just want to know if we need a bigger bbq?? 



HOLD THE LINE

[seitani]

Mavaras wrote...

seitani wrote...

I didn't "bought" anything but picking her every post apart and overanalyzing every word is ****ing stupid.

Nothing about what I wrote is stupid. If you think so, please explain to me why. If not, we are at an impasse. Being civil goes both ways. We need to be civil to each other and Bioware, and they need to be civil to us. What she wrote was not civil.

Ok i may have been too vulgar and overreacting but twisting Merizans every word, post and make her to be this "evil pr. genius" whos every post and word has double meaning and all she writes is part of this "evil genius pr. plan" and all she says is just to deceive us and distract us. I think that is also unacceptable and paranoid.

[Deklan_Caine]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

3B) This doesn't just apply to people who like something. This applies to consumption as a whole. The 9% vocal minority isn't a bunch of naysayers. It's literally just the vocal bunch out of the entire group. It includes people who like, dislike, and are neutral. The media has just latched onto "vocal minority" as if it's a bad thing. It's not. It's just the way consumption works. Go look at any Facebook page, specifically their "People Talking About This" (PTAT). We consider 10% a great number. 20% is off the charts. But it rarely goes above that. It's just the way things work.

So, if I'm understanding correctly, having 20% of a Facebook group's "likes" in the "people talking about this" category is off the charts and a rare thing? Hmmm, let's see...

As of 8:53 PM CST on 3/21/12, the Retake Mass Effect movment which you mentioned has 50,567 "likes" on Facebook. According to the page, 37,227 are in the PTAT category. That's very roughly 70% (more like 72%, but I digress). If that's such a rare thing, than this is, indeed, a very rare situation.

Perhaps that means it needs a very rare solution...

[Windariah]

I think it is really important through all of this that we all remember that text can often be misleading and can easily be taken out of context. We have seen that not only in this thread, but throughout the BSN and the twitter accounts. Without body language, tone of voice, etc, meaning can often get lost resulting in hurt feelings.

Just something to keep in mind when you are picking those posts apart.

Hold. The. Line!

[cyrrant]

Ampmaster wrote...

You know relaxing really isn't an awful idea, giving up and taking a break are very different things and I'd say the strain we saw earlier today was probably the result of a couple of us pushing themselves towards a burn out. We're a very "instant gratification" and very high speed in general culture outside of the internet and we can double that for the online portions of our culture. Taking a break, kicking back with some non-ME3 related anything, getting out for a hike, maybe throw a steak (or veggie skewers for the bunny huggers) on the grill. Keep holding the line... just from a lawn chair or something, maybe with something tall and strong in a glass.

This I agree with.  I will now proceed to go crack open a beer or two, as I have work off tomorrow.  Then I will come back and opine the loss of Marauder Shields in a slurred manner.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[Michotic]

I'm not as active as many of you, but I'm still here, I'm still paying attention, and I'm not backing down an inch.

Jessica, I thank you for taking the time to drop in and speak with us. Everyone else, I have enjoyed reading the various viewpoints, and how we are all united in our common goal.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[Mavaras]

seitani wrote...

Ok i may have been too vulgar and overreacting but twisting Merizans every word, post and make her to be this "evil pr. genius" whos every post and word has double meaning and all she writes is part of this "evil genius pr. plan" and all she says is just to deceive us and distract us. I think that is also unacceptable and paranoid.

I can agree to that. Look, let us speak plainly. I don't want people hating on matty because I think they have a legitimate contribution to our discussion. I'll concede I shouldn't have quoted Jessica as the starting base for that conversation. It was just that was what made me realize what was happening.

You all are aces in my book.

Modifié par Mavaras, 22 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[Ampmaster]

MeldarthX wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

You know relaxing really isn't an awful idea, giving up and taking a break are very different things and I'd say the strain we saw earlier today was probably the result of a couple of us pushing themselves towards a burn out. We're a very "instant gratification" and very high speed in general culture outside of the internet and we can double that for the online portions of our culture. Taking a break, kicking back with some non-ME3 related anything, getting out for a hike, maybe throw a steak (or veggie skewers for the bunny huggers) on the grill. Keep holding the line... just from a lawn chair or something, maybe with something tall and strong in a glass.

Do the Krogens get to eat the bunny huggers?   Just want to know if we need a bigger bbq?? 



HOLD THE LINE

Well I'm sure any vegans we have around wouldn't want to interrupt the natural cycle of life, etc

we can dig the Krogan a pit bbq out back


For any one looking for a "beer back Mass Effect 3" suggestion may I reccomend Victory Golden Monkey Belgian Tripel, it's some of the tastiest beer I've ever had, though much lighter then my prefered stouts and lagers.

[stargatefan1990]

MeldarthX wrote...

Right folks,

Listen up - those that are saying we're not fighting BW's PR or EA's PR.......yes we are. Sorry they are not fuzzy bunnies - they are a company. The bottom line is - they care about making money.

BW might care a little more for their customers over say EA - but to affect change on any corperate stucture - has to be through economics.

If someone from BW comes in - we be polite - engage them - and be respectful. We've done enough to be noticed by EA - they've pulled in a VP - aka the CEO to do something about this. This means we've hit them economically and this is exactly what we have to keep doing to get this change.

People might not like this completely but this is business folks. I'm no being harsh just truthful. BW/EA will use any and all tatics to make this go away without having to spend more than is nessary. They are having meetings day and possibly nights now to figure out which is the best way to do this.

Expanded/new ending or ride it out - If we fall apart now; we'll get nothing. Period - its crunch time.

1 - Stay Respectful - treat others how you want to be treated.

2 - Keep posting; keep tweeting; keep the news on them; keep the pressure. This literally is the only way to get the ending that ME should have.

3. They want feedback - give it - give your ideas but keep it clean.....

If you're getting burned out - take a break - eat; sleep - writing. Donate to the charity. This is a marathon - not a sprint - even though we've come so far so fast; now is the time to keep it up.


HOLD THE LINE.

THIS!

[MikeRoz]

cyrrant wrote...

MikeRoz wrote...

Ignore people like him. The rest of us are willing and eager to engage in civil discussion when the time is right.

I know I made a post earlier asking mattynutz to tone it down, but this kind of thing is not helpful.  Turning against each other just as we've started to see progress being made is no bueno.

If you have specific problems with his post, pick them out and address them in a civil manner, instead of dismissing him out of hand.  Castigating and driving out one of our own, even if he is vociferous in a way we'd prefer he wasn't, is not what this movement is about.  We all want the same thing, and we're all on the same side.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

How am I fighting with anyone? I am merely advocating that we resume discussion. If people nitpicking her posts and ascribing disingenuous motives are a barrier to that, then I suggest we ignore them until they cease such behavior. No judgment, no flaming, just ignore it because it isn't constructive.

We were so close to an honest, open dialogue, something which has been sorely needed here since the beginning. If now is not the right time, I hope there will at least be a point later down the line where we can try again.

[Kioux]

Ampmaster wrote...

You know relaxing really isn't an awful idea, giving up and taking a break are very different things and I'd say the strain we saw earlier today was probably the result of a couple of us pushing themselves towards a burn out. We're a very "instant gratification" and very high speed in general culture outside of the internet and we can double that for the online portions of our culture. Taking a break, kicking back with some non-ME3 related anything, getting out for a hike, maybe throw a steak (or veggie skewers for the bunny huggers) on the grill. Keep holding the line... just from a lawn chair or something, maybe with something tall and strong in a glass.

Had my pie tonight. Have an appointment at the dentist tomorrow morning:crying:. Have dinner at a nice Thai restaurant in the evening. That oughta help a bit.
And yes, it is difficult to not be busied with a topic if a forum thread like this moves with 3-10 pages an hour.