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[LeoSpike]

No_MSG wrote...

How about a productive discussion?

What is the WORST ending the Bioware could create for Mass Effect (The current endings don't count, no one say it.)

For me, the worst ending would be a super mega happy ending. One where everyone with a name survives, even those who died. Where everything after the fact is gumdrops and lolly pops.

What do you guys think?

A super-happy ending? For me it would be as bad as the current endings. Everyone (currently alive) survives? It's just not possible while staying true to the narrative of the story. So I think you've hit it right. Probably the worst thing they could create.  However, it would give BioWare some incentive to make changes in the EMS tiers. Lower EMS means more companions don't survive.

[shephard987]

Mavaras wrote...

This isn't about her lol. It is about alienating Matty, which is wrong. Either you see that or you don't. I'm not your enemy, so if you want me to stop addressing this, I'll do you a solid. I just want to make sure people understand the point of what I was saying. It is unacceptable to alienate people here discussing things that have done so in a logical and reasonable manner. Nothing more, nothing less. The comment about the line being blurred was referring to us attacking each other BTW.

Forgive me if I sounded rude or abrasive in the last few comments.
Thank you for clearifying the things you said. 
While I do not support anyone's voice being muffled, 
I do believe it is up to the person hearing that choice to 
turn a deaf ear to those that misconstrue what is being said to them.
And if you do not agree to her personal choice, let it be known. To her.
Most of us accept her decision to stay within earshot of our conversations
and wouldn't like for any of these misunderstandings to keep happening in the future. 

However, I agree. Whatever we were arguing about in the beginning is not what we are arguing about now.
Nor is it anything we should be arguing about right now at all. 
Yes, the line between of friend and foe between members is getting blurred. 
But if we keep a level head, we will remember who is who.
This should be the last we speak of this misunderstanding, yes? 
Peace. Civility. Honor. Respect.

Hold the Line

[Hydralysk]

Windariah wrote...

I think it is really important through all of this that we all remember that text can often be misleading and can easily be taken out of context. We have seen that not only in this thread, but throughout the BSN and the twitter accounts. Without body language, tone of voice, etc, meaning can often get lost resulting in hurt feelings.

Just something to keep in mind when you are picking those posts apart.

Hold. The. Line!

It is very true that we often forget this, well stated sir.

[joshko]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

EDIT: None of this affects my role. I'm still your advocate and am actively collecting feedback, thoughts, questions, concerns etc. 

Understood Jessica, enjoy your break. I hope you didn't take things too personally.

[BostonVamp]

Ladies and gentlemen of The Line: in spite of the conversations and press release put out today, the field hasn't really changed. The movement still needs BW / EA to address the following 3 points (which have always been our 3 points): 1) how are you going to fix ME 3 so that our choices from ME 1, 2 & 3 matter - provide us with multiple different endings; 2) how are you going to fix the major plotholes and lore-breaking issues that completely go against the themes you have so painstakingly developed in ME 1, 2 & 3; and 3) how are you going to give us closure on the fates of Shepard, companions, the Normandy, Earth, other life forms/races and the galaxy?

As of yet, I don't see any of those 3 points being addressed and until they are we must stand firmly together and remember to Hold The Line.

[Boceephus]

If anyone hasn't seen this I'll post it here for amusement.

Here's our old friend from IGN, Entitled Colin, thrilled that the producers of Infamous 2 listened to fan complaints and changed their art to revert the protagonist to his original look.

http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1114043p1.html

Here's just one of the article's many gems

"Sucker Punch is one of Sony's most valuable developers. They are tuned-in with the PS3 faithful, and it's things like this that prove it."

The thing about the internet, dear Colin, is that it doesn't forget. Perhaps you'd like to rethink your "dangerous precedent" and "entitled gamer" videos?

[stargatefan1990]

LeoSpike wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

How about a productive discussion?

What is the WORST ending the Bioware could create for Mass Effect (The current endings don't count, no one say it.)

For me, the worst ending would be a super mega happy ending. One where everyone with a name survives, even those who died. Where everything after the fact is gumdrops and lolly pops.

What do you guys think?

A super-happy ending? For me it would be as bad as the current endings. Everyone (currently alive) survives? It's just not possible while staying true to the narrative of the story. So I think you've hit it right. Probably the worst thing they could create.  However, it would give BioWare some incentive to make changes in the EMS tiers. Lower EMS means more companions don't survive.

personally i wouldn't mind a happy ending........Out of alot of other possibilities whats wrong with the happy ending if you earned it?

[cutegigi]

shephard987 wrote...

There is NO line being blurred here. 
She wrote that in response to a seemingly aggressive post from one of our members.
If I were her, I would have written the same. 
All of this "overanalyzing" IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO OUR MOVEMENT.
She is still looking over us and is making sure our voice is being heard.
PLEASE stop adding fuel to this already overgrown misunderstood fire.
If you have a personal message to her or anyone else, please keep it just that. A Personal Message. 
The more people see this, the more material we give that makes them think we're immature and paranoid. 

Please, take this into consideration.

thank you.

Hold the Line

I am one of those that asked more than one question regarding Jessica's post. Not that I want to analyze anything, but simply because I did not really understand what she's really trying to say.  And her immidiately saying that she can not say more due to (understandably) limitation of company policy did not help.

English was not my 1st language, so maybe it was a shortcoming on my language skill that caused my failure in fully comprehending her posts with all content and intent keep intact, but since BSN member come from all over the world, I do think she can do better in conveying the messege. Avoiding unfamiliar terms/jargon will helps a lot. I still find it hard to understand how can term like "logistic timing" be used to refer to meeetings.

[G0ldmember]

Phew! Heat is turning down a notch and people are back in line. I see one huge problem now though....there is a dent in our armor. For a fraction of a second there, it was geth vs quarians ready to kill each other. We saw it and I'm damn sure Bioware/EA saw it.  They know our weak spot. The one universal weakness to men: women.

Ampmaster wrote...

You know relaxing really isn't an awful idea, giving up and taking a break are very different things and I'd say the strain we saw earlier today was probably the result of a couple of us pushing themselves towards a burn out. We're a very "instant gratification" and very high speed in general culture outside of the internet and we can double that for the online portions of our culture. Taking a break, kicking back with some non-ME3 related anything, getting out for a hike, maybe throw a steak (or veggie skewers for the bunny huggers) on the grill. Keep holding the line... just from a lawn chair or something, maybe with something tall and strong in a glass.

Best idea I heard all day. I think we all could use some relaxation right now and get back tomorrow fresh to fight.

[stargatefan1990]

G0ldmember wrote...

Phew! Heat is turning down a notch and people are back in line. I see one huge problem now though....there is a dent in our armor. For a fraction of a second there, it was geth vs quarians ready to kill each other. We saw it and I'm damn sure Bioware/EA saw it.  They know our weak spot. The one universal weakness to men: women.

Ampmaster wrote...

You know relaxing really isn't an awful idea, giving up and taking a break are very different things and I'd say the strain we saw earlier today was probably the result of a couple of us pushing themselves towards a burn out. We're a very "instant gratification" and very high speed in general culture outside of the internet and we can double that for the online portions of our culture. Taking a break, kicking back with some non-ME3 related anything, getting out for a hike, maybe throw a steak (or veggie skewers for the bunny huggers) on the grill. Keep holding the line... just from a lawn chair or something, maybe with something tall and strong in a glass.

Best idea I heard all day. I think we all could use some relaxation right now and get back tomorrow fresh to fight.

im going to go soon walk the dog play portal 2 then sleep after that my day as usual then some more holding the line! 

[Mavaras]

LeoSpike wrote...

How about a productive discussion?

What is the WORST ending the Bioware could create for Mass Effect (The current endings don't count, no one say it.)

For me, the worst ending would be a super mega happy ending. One where everyone with a name survives, even those who died. Where everything after the fact is gumdrops and lolly pops.

What do you guys think?

That the ending was a hallucination after Shepard passed out (in front of the command console) followed by a playable sequence as Conrad Verner fighting through the citadel to the terminal. After he calibrates the dark energy settings on the console, he actives the crucible destroying the reapers. He then carries Shepard to the beam and throws him into it as the citadel blows up. Earth becomes the new seat of the council because it is symbolic of the reaper defeat, and everybody agrees shepard should be the new human counselor.

Shepard wakes up in the hospital bed with his entire team gathered. He tells of his visions and they share a good laugh. M4 part 2 ques up and everybody returns to the normandy for some galaxy rebuilding.            

/wrists

Modifié par Mavaras, 22 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[Vap0ur_Snake]

cyrrant wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

What's happened? I can't actually find all the arguing but I've heardentions of it. Has someone sent in a "plant" to try and cause a ruckus?

If someone gives the lowdown that would be great.

Also, has it been defused?

No plants, but rhetoric got heated.  Things are calming down a little now.

Thanks.... Just seeing your banner makes me placid, the shade of blue is hypnotic, ha ha. Plus yours is a name I remember from my first day here, I think you were the guy who welcomed me

Think I'll add one of those banners. If everyone did so, maybe it would keep the place more on the relaxed side of temperate. 

Modifié par Vap0ur_Snake, 22 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[Raven4030-2]

I said this before, but it merits repeating:

When a bioware employee posts on these boards, are there things they're not allowed to say? Yes, true. Are there promises they can't make, and information they're not allowed to share, and limitations to what they can promise us or tell us? Absolutely? Does that mean they're incapable of bending the rules a little or finding loopholes? Not at all.

It's important to remember that those that engage with us are human beings before anything else, and like any other human being, these people want to be respected and treated like they're more than just a corporate mouthpiece.

See, I worked in customer service before, I know what it's like to have to deal with angry consumers. While people like Ms. Merizan are certainly hire up the corporate ladder than I ever was, the same basic principle applies: they're human beings. You treat them with respect and understanding they'll bend over backwards to help you even if the back of their mind is saying we don't really deserve as much as we're asking for. You treat them like corporate drones, they'll just do their job. You treat them rudely or with hostility? They'll do the bare minimum and simply not give a f***.

This is why we have to be respectful and polite when a Bioware employee posts. It is because if they respect us, then they'll mention to their bosses that this alternate ending DLC thing is worth looking at. Even more important, if they respect us and the order comes down, they'll bend over backwards to produce the best product around. But if we come across as whiny, paranoid ***holes who thinks all Bioware employees have been turned into corporate drones, then when the order comes down they'll do the bare minimum as quickly as they can so they can back to projects they actually enjoy doing.

TL;DR version: No matter who they work for, people are people. And treating people well always pays off far more than treating them with scorn.

EDIT: Seems I was a few minutes late. Oh well, I'll leave this up here in case we find ourselves getting paranoid again

Modifié par Raven4030-2, 22 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[LeoSpike]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

LeoSpike wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

How about a productive discussion?

What is the WORST ending the Bioware could create for Mass Effect (The current endings don't count, no one say it.)

For me, the worst ending would be a super mega happy ending. One where everyone with a name survives, even those who died. Where everything after the fact is gumdrops and lolly pops.

What do you guys think?

A super-happy ending? For me it would be as bad as the current endings. Everyone (currently alive) survives? It's just not possible while staying true to the narrative of the story. So I think you've hit it right. Probably the worst thing they could create.  However, it would give BioWare some incentive to make changes in the EMS tiers. Lower EMS means more companions don't survive.

personally i wouldn't mind a happy ending........Out of alot of other possibilities whats wrong with the happy ending if you earned it?

Nothing wrong with it at all. The poll for endings was not that detailed. A happy ending is good as long as it reflects all your choices in the game and your current EMS score. Personally, I would love an ending where both my Shepard and her/his LI made it through. Hmmm...that reminds me...back in a bit. I had some thing to bring to the attention of the thread.

[spacefiddle]

Mavaras wrote...

Chumasaurus wrote...

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion.

Woah, that is unacceptable. I must have missed her saying that.

"I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that."

Absolutely unacceptable behavior.

Yes, it's completely unacceptable that someone like Matty would come in here screaming and swinging and shaking his fist at one of the folks who have been engaging with us constantly, while the rest of us have gone to great lengths to be civil, obey guidelines of basic courtesy, and show some respect for the people we deal with.

You think you're more outraged by the whole situation than me, so that gives you the right to act like a jackass to people?  Think again.  Look at my past posts, analsyes, participation and position.  I was, to quote Mr. Keitel, Super-F!n-Pissed.  But you can SAY you've been really angry without ACTING really ragey.  This forum is not your punching bag nor your therapy.  Rage it out elsewhere, then come back and join the discussion.

Deeply disappointed that some have decided that their personal rage comes before any rational or logical ideals of behaviour.  I've been against this whole fiasco of a mis-marketed "ending" from a start.  Doesn't mean I get to scream in people's faces and call them names, nor make bad assumptions about them based on incomplete or just plain incorrect info.

Get back on track.  Or go away.  You're not helping.  Take a few days off from the computer, and see if maybe you feel a little embarassed.

[Robertrussell00]

I really don't mean this to be an insult to anyone at Bioware but the connections were too easy to pass up:
Citadel is a Rambaldi device
Star Child is Shepard from a parallel universe
Reapers are smoke monsters
Illusive Man is Ben

Mental high five if you see the connections lol
and again, no offense meant to any of the amazing creative minds behind mass effect

[stargatefan1990]

the worst ending for me would be Shepard and the Rachni queen hooking up to "Reo Speedwagon Can't fight this feeling"

[MeldarthX]

Boceephus wrote...

If anyone hasn't seen this I'll post it here for amusement.

Here's our old friend from IGN, Entitled Colin, thrilled that the producers of Infamous 2 listened to fan complaints and changed their art to revert the protagonist to his original look.

http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1114043p1.html

Here's just one of the article's many gems

"Sucker Punch is one of Sony's most valuable developers. They are tuned-in with the PS3 faithful, and it's things like this that prove it."

The thing about the internet, dear Colin, is that it doesn't forget. Perhaps you'd like to rethink your "dangerous precedent" and "entitled gamer" videos?

Oh that's sweet find - and we stamp that on his forehead?  I know they pulled the video I think but can we get that seen on IGN??

[cinderburster]

cyrrant wrote...

MikeRoz wrote...

Ignore people like him. The rest of us are willing and eager to engage in civil discussion when the time is right.

I know I made a post earlier asking mattynutz to tone it down, but this kind of thing is not helpful.  Turning against each other just as we've started to see progress being made is no bueno.

If you have specific problems with his post, pick them out and address them in a civil manner, instead of dismissing him out of hand.  Castigating and driving out one of our own, even if he is vociferous in a way we'd prefer he wasn't, is not what this movement is about.  We all want the same thing, and we're all on the same side.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

cyrrant speaks the truth.  This back-biting won't take us anywhere good.

[vometia]

Mavaras wrote...

That the ending was a hallucination after Shepard passed out (in front of the command console) followed by a playable sequence as Conrad Verner fighting through the citadel to the terminal. After he calibrates the dark energy settings on the console, he actives the crucible destroying the reapers. He then carries Shepard to the beam and throws him into it as the citadel blows up. Earth becomes the new seat of the council because it is symbolic of the reaper defeat, and everybody agrees shepard should be the new human counselor.

Shepard wakes up in the hospital bed with his entire team gathered. He tells of his visions and they share a good laugh. M4 part 2 ques up and everybody returns to the normandy for some galaxy rebuilding.            

/wrists

I like the involvement of Conrad, but I'd like to see him having a dance-off with Marauder Shields.  That would settle it.  Whatever "it" is.

[Ender99]

No_MSG wrote...

How about a productive discussion?

What is the WORST ending the Bioware could create for Mass Effect (The current endings don't count, no one say it.)

For me, the worst ending would be a super mega happy ending. One where everyone with a name survives, even those who died. Where everything after the fact is gumdrops and lolly pops.

What do you guys think?

Well, I don't think that the ones who died earlier in the game (Thane, Mordin, Legion), should be brought back to life for a super happy ending, I do think a happy ending should be one of the many options. Think DA:O some endings were super happy, and in others the Warden died.

Okay now, worst ending, worst ending (that's not already done XD).....

The entire series of Mass Effect was nothing but a dream that some guy/girl named Shepard was having. They wake up after Harbinger shoots them with the laser and goes to get some toast for breakfast.

Modifié par Ender99, 22 mars 2012 - 02:18 .

[Mavaras]

spacefiddle wrote...

Yes, it's completely unacceptable that someone like Matty would come in here screaming and swinging and shaking his fist at one of the folks who have been engaging with us constantly, while the rest of us have gone to great lengths to be civil, obey guidelines of basic courtesy, and show some respect for the people we deal with.

You think you're more outraged by the whole situation than me, so that gives you the right to act like a jackass to people?  Think again.  Look at my past posts, analsyes, participation and position.  I was, to quote Mr. Keitel, Super-F!n-Pissed.  But you can SAY you've been really angry without ACTING really ragey.  This forum is not your punching bag nor your therapy.  Rage it out elsewhere, then come back and join the discussion.

Deeply disappointed that some have decided that their personal rage comes before any rational or logical ideals of behaviour.  I've been against this whole fiasco of a mis-marketed "ending" from a start.  Doesn't mean I get to scream in people's faces and call them names, nor make bad assumptions about them based on incomplete or just plain incorrect info.

Get back on track.  Or go away.  You're not helping.  Take a few days off from the computer, and see if maybe you feel a little embarassed.

I don't think that all spacefiddle. I am one of the most polite people on these forums. I was simply saying that alienating people is unacceptable to me. Just like I will continue to listen to you even though one might construe what you said as insaulting, though I DO NOT. I just want everybody to have a voice man.

Modifié par Mavaras, 22 mars 2012 - 02:20 .

[Boceephus]

MeldarthX wrote...

Boceephus wrote...

If anyone hasn't seen this I'll post it here for amusement.

Here's our old friend from IGN, Entitled Colin, thrilled that the producers of Infamous 2 listened to fan complaints and changed their art to revert the protagonist to his original look.

http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1114043p1.html

Here's just one of the article's many gems

"Sucker Punch is one of Sony's most valuable developers. They are tuned-in with the PS3 faithful, and it's things like this that prove it."

The thing about the internet, dear Colin, is that it doesn't forget. Perhaps you'd like to rethink your "dangerous precedent" and "entitled gamer" videos?

Oh that's sweet find - and we stamp that on his forehead?  I know they pulled the video I think but can we get that seen on IGN??

Did they pull the video? I still see the "dangerous precedent" one up.
But yeah, either way, anytime he or someone in the comments insults your opinions, just spam them with "I happen to agree with Colin of IGN on the subject of accepting feedback from your loyal fans....".

MUWA HA HA HA HA HA.

[Kathris89]

 

Anteocitis wrote...

 My 7 year old daughter said “It’s the same but they changed the colour Daddy”.

“No” I said, “there was a difference: the first time through I was a Bioware fan.”.

I agree completely with what you posted, and I felt just like that at the end.
I want to believe what we're doing is making a difference, we just have to remember why we're doing this, don't fight each other and don't fight BW/EA, that won't get us anywhere. Please, let's remain calm and civil.
Meanwhile, I'm still holding the Line with you all!!

atghunter wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Guys and Gals - lets lighten the mood a little....

OMG I just got tweeted this.......

This is win

http://i.imgur.com/3Qq6U.jpg


HOLD THE LINE

You just made an old gamer smile (and laugh out loud for that matter) /salute

Ps. Something to have fun with while we wait, made me laugh!   ^

[Neophoenix 78]

I have been reading for around 20 pages now. I have noticed a couple of things. I would happy to discuss things I have observed. That is if anyone wants to hear it.