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[BostonVamp]

Ladies & gents, calling it a night. Really think about the small victory we had today. Don't dwell too much on any possible setbacks...they are bound to happen. Just move forward and continue to keep stating our position to BW / EA and to other media outlets. Remain civil and keep smiling!

Hold the Line!

Until tomorrow...good night & good luck (per E.R. Murrow)

[mrderp27]

he wants to go back from ME1 to fully understand the control/synthesis endings. how little he knows..

[cyrrant]

chkchkchk wrote...

Please consider that maybe SOME BIOWARE WRITERS WANT A "NEW" ENDING TOO.

This article has the details on a Bioware writer allegedly posting stuff (now deleted) on the Penny Arcade forums about disagreements within the writing team.  Obviously the official word is that someone was impersonating the writer.

BUT!

BUT!

But let's try and work under the assumption that right now there's internal debate within Bioware.  Bioware is a big company and the Mass Effect team consists of many writers.  We gain nothing by being jerkfaces.  Plus, if we act like jerks we might be weakening the positions of sympathetic people within Bioware.

Stay calm, y'all.

Most of the threads on the PA forums referencing this alleged quote have been deleted, and Chris Priestly came out and said that it wasn't actually the writer that posted it, but someone imitating him.  I have a hard time believing that someone who currently has a job would go so much against the company line.  Plus, if he felt so strongly about the endings he wouldn't go public, he'd keep it to himself and do his damndest to campaign for an ending change from the inside.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[unclee]

DarkSpiral wrote...

Do you people WANT the thread closed? The stream hijacked the topic. Start a new one if you want to.

^This. Let's get this thread back on track.

While we do that, let's make sure to remain civil and respectful!

[Darkeus]

Oh well, back to what we are here for anyway.

That is supporting a better ending, avoiding PR and hold the line!  

[ericjdev]

Yeah, this is not increasing my desire for a second walkthrough.

[Ihatebadgames]

Just holding the line for new endings and where multiplayer does not affect single player.Just say no to DLC till the endings are fixed.

[Sinnick03]

chkchkchk wrote...

Please consider that maybe SOME BIOWARE WRITERS WANT A "NEW" ENDING TOO.

This article has the details on a Bioware writer allegedly posting stuff (now deleted) on the Penny Arcade forums about disagreements within the writing team.  Obviously the official word is that someone was impersonating the writer.

BUT!

BUT!

But let's try and work under the assumption that right now there's internal debate within Bioware.  Bioware is a big company and the Mass Effect team consists of many writers.  We gain nothing by being jerkfaces.  Plus, if we act like jerks we might be weakening the positions of sympathetic people within Bioware.

Stay calm, y'all.

Another one on that topic.
http://www.gamefront...lam-the-ending/

I hope Bioware buys the hijacked account story.

Modifié par Sinnick03, 22 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[izmirtheastarach]

That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 22 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[taelus.calimshan]

Eivuwan wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

mattynutz wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.
(snip)

Before I respond to this, let me stand corrected. Part of my point rested on the assumption that Ms. Merizan was a salaried employee and thus was being disingenious when claiming that she was not being paid to tweet about BW and ME. I will, however, stand by my position that her willingness to tweet as a booster for product was the employee equivalent of paying under the table. It wasn't necessary, but if she wasn't going to do it, then someone else who was was going to get the job. 

(snip)

"Mattynutz" - I am not disengaging because of people saying mean things to me on my Twitter or in the forums. I can take it. It's not because evil PR told me not to talk anymore or because this is part of the master plan to win your sympathy and attack you when you least expect it. I'm disengaging because of you and people like you. I won't say anything more than that so my words remain untwisted.

For everyone else, we're discussing dinosaurs and puppies on my Twitter if you're interested. You can hold the line and still choose to engage in positive discussion. <3

I am disappointed. Mattynutz was calm and rational in his response to you. In fact, his arguments made a lot of sense and you did not respond to them. I'm surprised that you are disengaging from rational discussion and it is starting to sound like something is not "positive" if someone disagrees with you.

I think maybe the point she's making is being missed.  She's saying she doesn't want to engage in any discussion suggesting that this is all some kind of PR stunt out to manipulate the fanbase.  She's put forward that this isn't true, and that going down that road is destructive.  Mattynutz crossed right back into that discussion and so she responded saying that she wasn't going to engage and that this sort of thing is what shut down other elements of our interaction with her and BioWare.  Mattynutz is welcome to his/her opinion, but the way they approached it certainly wasn't useful.

[Reptilian Rob]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.

Yeah, it was confirmed as a hyper troll.

[ericjdev]

At any rate, Jessica is serving the community in another capacity now and stated clearly why, we should stop picking her posts apart, she's been a good sport and we don't advance any cause going over the same ground over and over.

[Eivuwan]

Eivuwan wrote...


Respectfully disagree. Jessica has been a vocal advocate for us and should be treated with respect and kindness.
The only thing I have to say to her is thank you and keep up the good work.

I have read most of her posts and while I am sure she has good intentions, she has also talked down to a lot of us with lines like "people like you." It's like when you're debating with someone and they just say, "People like you wouldn't understand" without actually addressing the points in question. Besides, as it is evident in Mattynutz posts that he was simply trying to make his point without either being too nice or too mean. I do not understand why him and "people like him" are being punished. Would she rather that people insult her? Treating someone with respect and kindness does not mean that you have to walk around on ice in order to not hurt their feelings.


Edit: Regardless if mattynutz was wrong, it seems unfair to punish everyone else for what he said.

Modifié par Eivuwan, 22 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[izmirtheastarach]

taelus.calimshan wrote...

I think maybe the point she's making is being missed.  She's saying she doesn't want to engage in any discussion suggesting that this is all some kind of PR stunt out to manipulate the fanbase.  She's put forward that this isn't true, and that going down that road is destructive.  Mattynutz crossed right back into that discussion and so she responded saying that she wasn't going to engage and that this sort of thing is what shut down other elements of our interaction with her and BioWare.  Mattynutz is welcome to his/her opinion, but the way they approached it certainly wasn't useful.

I'm sort of confused by this whole idea. She works for a department that is resposible for liasing with the community. She may not be corporate PR, but she is most certainly community PR. What is wrong with people trying to analyse the PR response from Bioware? It's not like we were talking to a writer or a programmer. Communicating with us is part of her day job, even if talking to us on her personal twitter is not.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 22 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[Sinnick03]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.

Yeah, it was confirmed as a hyper troll.

Impressive trollmanship.  How was it confirmed?

[unclee]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.

This. Not to mention making a statement like that would be practically career suicide in an industry like this one.

[SoraStrife]

 I hate to shamelessly plug myself, but I made a post about why indoctrination theory is so vehemently defended. I thought some people in this thread might be interested in it. Be warned it uses ancient religion as an example, so go in with an open mind, I didnt mean to offend anyone.

[wheelierdan]

so i watched that feed of a guy playing the end what a waste of time, he only plays one ending, so of course he thinks it was amazing. i wanted to see him rage after her saw the difference!

[Darkeus]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.

Yeah, it was confirmed as a hyper troll.

I hate to say that Mr. Priestly claiming that it is not real is not really a credible source  He is an employee of EA/Bioware and in that capacity, he is quite biased.  

So until it is confirmed by someone else, like a mod on the PA forums, then I will take what Mr. Priestly says with a grain of salt. 

[Jessica Merizan]

OK a few things.

I've calmed down, eaten a significant amount of candy, and talked with people about puppies and dinosaurs.

I also apologized to Mattynutz for calling him out on this thread for behavior even if I don't agree with it. Regardless of how I feel, I'm still advocating for Matty and everyone else, and I don't want anyone to think otherwise. I forgot that many of you don't see me as a friendly galpal community manager and are automatically distrustful.

The reason I came BACK is to tell you that my interaction with you guys has derailed this thread and I'd like for you guys to get back to the subject at hand. Please don't quote or discuss this, as it will just further keep things off track.

Also live commenting on some random person's livestream about their ending is also not on topic.

I will continue to engage with positive people (you can still hate the endings or be part of Retake and be constructive) because it's not fair to shut myself off just because of a small proportion of people who don't like what I'm doing.

Now, IGNORE ME (woo Venture Brother's reference - yup 9% strong here!)

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 22 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[izmirtheastarach]

SoraStrife wrote...

 I hate to shamelessly plug myself, but I made a post about why indoctrination theory is so vehemently defended. I thought some people in this thread might be interested in it. Be warned it uses ancient religion as an example, so go in with an open mind, I didnt mean to offend anyone.

Anything that makes me able to play through the game without wanting to throw it out the window is fine for me. Indoctrination theory is one way to do that, if you suspend your disbeleif.

[shephard987]

well, we did what we could.
Hopefully he will see reason.

Hold the Line

[seitani]

MeldarthX wrote...

http://da.twitch.tv/luzarius

seriously guys/gals come watch this - he's near the ending - live stream with no spoilers - aka he doesn't know man I feel sorry for him.

did he complete the game on one sit

Modifié par seitani, 22 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[HALO_Project]

@cyrrant Interesting read either way. Insightful and it might actually have been good. I can believe it. I can easily disbelieve it too but that's neither here nor there...

Holding out Hope and Holding The Line

[ericjdev]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

taelus.calimshan wrote...

I think maybe the point she's making is being missed.  She's saying she doesn't want to engage in any discussion suggesting that this is all some kind of PR stunt out to manipulate the fanbase.  She's put forward that this isn't true, and that going down that road is destructive.  Mattynutz crossed right back into that discussion and so she responded saying that she wasn't going to engage and that this sort of thing is what shut down other elements of our interaction with her and BioWare.  Mattynutz is welcome to his/her opinion, but the way they approached it certainly wasn't useful.

I'm sort of confused by this whole idea. She works for a department that is resposible for liasing with the community. She may not be corporate PR, but she is most certainly community PR. What is wrong with people trying to analyse the PR response from Bioware? It's not like we were talking to a writer or a programmer. Communicating with us is part of her day job, even if talking to us on her personal twitter is not.

She's done a lot of good for us, she keeps documentation of the types of things we would like changed about the ending and gets them to the various departments. She has tried hard to make sure we are heard. She stopped posting ME related matters on her twitter as she was sick of people reading into every little thing she posts over and over. I think we should stop. I read her posts from her earlier and judge her to be an honest, fair minded person doing a very difficult job and we paint ourselved in a bad light when we continue to find an arguement as to why it's OK for us to troll her.