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Darkeus wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Yeah, it was confirmed as a hyper troll.izmirtheastarach wrote...
That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.
I hate to say that Mr. Priestly claiming that it is not real is not really a credible source He is an employee of EA/Bioware and in that capacity, he is quite biased.
So until it is confirmed by someone else, like a mod on the PA forums, then I will take what Mr. Priestly says with a grain of salt.
ericjdev wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
taelus.calimshan wrote...
I think maybe the point she's making is being missed. She's saying she doesn't want to engage in any discussion suggesting that this is all some kind of PR stunt out to manipulate the fanbase. She's put forward that this isn't true, and that going down that road is destructive. Mattynutz crossed right back into that discussion and so she responded saying that she wasn't going to engage and that this sort of thing is what shut down other elements of our interaction with her and BioWare. Mattynutz is welcome to his/her opinion, but the way they approached it certainly wasn't useful.
I'm sort of confused by this whole idea. She works for a department that is resposible for liasing with the community. She may not be corporate PR, but she is most certainly community PR. What is wrong with people trying to analyse the PR response from Bioware? It's not like we were talking to a writer or a programmer. Communicating with us is part of her day job, even if talking to us on her personal twitter is not.
She's done a lot of good for us, she keeps documentation of the types of things we would like changed about the ending and gets them to the various departments. She has tried hard to make sure we are heard. She stopped posting ME related matters on her twitter as she was sick of people reading into every little thing she posts over and over. I think we should stop. I read her posts from her earlier and judge her to be an honest, fair minded person doing a very difficult job and we paint ourselved in a bad light when we continue to find an arguement as to why it's OK for us to troll her.
izmirtheastarach wrote...
ericjdev wrote...
She's done a lot of good for us, she keeps documentation of the types of things we would like changed about the ending and gets them to the various departments. She has tried hard to make sure we are heard. She stopped posting ME related matters on her twitter as she was sick of people reading into every little thing she posts over and over. I think we should stop. I read her posts from her earlier and judge her to be an honest, fair minded person doing a very difficult job and we paint ourselved in a bad light when we continue to find an arguement as to why it's OK for us to troll her.
I guess we are talking about two different things here. I've made no efforts to troll her, and I do not approve of anyone else doing so. She responded to many of my tweets in a reasonably forthright way, and she seems a geniune person.
I think that's part of the problem. Corporate PR is what it is. The crisis management that is going on is fairly obvious. But it seemed like people wanted to assume that Jessica was some sort of evil arm of that PR machine. She's not. That's not really her job description.
Her job is to listen and sympathize and try and keep people happy and engaged. If people want to get mad a being spoken to in corporate doublespeak, then the subject of their ire should be the statements from Mr. Hudson & Mr.
Senior Vice President and General Manager of the BioWare Label of Electronic Arts.
cyrrant wrote...
I think it's important to note at this time that there are 3 really big threads on the BSN, this one, the Child's Play one, and the one with the title like, "so we can't have the endings we want" or whatever. Only two of these actually satisfy the original intent of this board, storyline discussion. <snip>
Sinnick03 wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Yeah, it was confirmed as a hyper troll.izmirtheastarach wrote...
That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.
Impressive trollmanship. How was it confirmed?
Modifié par chkchkchk, 22 mars 2012 - 04:48 .
Then perhaps you should take a moment to thank Bioware for not only tolerating 3 threads that are off-topic, but are directly opposed to their interests on their own private forums.wheelierdan wrote...
im not disagreeing im just saying its a funny situation, this topic has nothing to do with gameplay so technically speaking it shouldn't be in the forum. yet in talking of gameplay one becomes off topic of the thread.
im glad its here obviously im just saying, see the humor in it.
N7_killswitch wrote...
Wow. After lurking for a couple of days...
I guess I'll start off here by adding my own experience with the ending.
I eagerly picked up my LCE copy at the midnight launch, got home. and slipped it in my 360. Being a Bioware and Mass Effect fan since the beginning, I was incredibly excited for the release of this game... a game that I've convinced several of my friends to check out (especially my wife, who is now just as big of a fan as I am). I have never been this excited for the release of any media, gaming or otherwise, and the game was an absolute joyride all the way through.
The Genophage, Geth/Quarians, romances, deaths, banter, gameplay, power progression... everything was so... perfect. They were all exactly the way I and so many other fans here wanted them to be (I'd even seen things that were discussed here on the BSN directly implemented and though 'hey, BW really was paying attention to us!). I raided the Cerberus Base, avenged Thane with a badass renegade interrupt, and was incredibly and completely excited as I checked my Assets one more time (about 7k effective without touching multiplayer, I believe) and began the assault on the Reapers.
My heart was racing as I wondered if I had made the right decisions, if my Shepard was going to return to see his loved ones again, if all the things I've done throughout the games was the "right" decision. I took out the Reaper Ground troops, got my ass handed to me by Marauder Shields a few times, then hit the conduit feeling like a total badass. Even the confrontation with TIM was excellent, bringing him back to "humanity" Saren-style and convincing him to end himself. I cried when Anderson, Shepard's mentor... no, my mentor passed away, and still I was hanging on the edge of my seat for the final moments of the most epic trilogy I've ever witnessed.
My emotions were at their peak, I was ready to even sacrifice my Shepard for the good of the galaxy. And then "Star Child" shows up. It was a little weird, but I was okay with him as he explained the situation to me. As the conversation went on, a dreadful realization hit me: everyone's still screwed no matter what I did or will do. Wrex will never get to return to Tuchanka to lead his clan back to greatness. Tali will never get to build her house on Rannoch with her people. Garrus will never return to his family on Palaven. Everyone I have grown to care so much for over the years is completely and totally SOL, with me having no way to change that. I felt as if all my work, all those decisions, had become ultimately meaningless. Hell, maybe it was better that the hope Shepard gave these people never happened. To have the homeworld reclaimed for the Quarians, only to lose all FTL technology? It seemed to cruel to be true.
Ultimately, I led my Shepard toward the Synergy ending, as my wife had so astutely stated she didn't receive that option (she had completed the game while I was at work, and warned me that I would be angry. I thought maybe she had missed something or made a wrong choice somewhere... so much for my optimism!) I figured it was the "preferred" ending.
I figured, hey, maybe with everyone stuck in the Sol system they could figure something out from there. At least my crew would be able to return to Earth, which in my head would become the new center of some new Galactic Government.
But wait... why is the Normandy trying an FTL jump??? Where are they going and why? Why did the Space Magic that was supposed to merge organic and synthetic life destroy my ship? Even if it did destroy the relays, why the Normandy? Most importantly, why the hell did Joker and my loyal crew abandon me so easily? We were a family... and they left Earth without even knowing what happened to me. Then the Normandy lands on a nice looking planet, Joker and EDI are happy, okay. I guess this is where I see the real repercussions of my actions; I could live with that. If knowing that what I did really did affect how things would be after the mandatory relay destruction, I could live with it. Ashley then steps out... wait, wasn't she on the ground team with me? How did she get back? Why didn't she follow, or wait from word from me? Well, at least she was alive. And then the screen faded. I expected it to fade to more scenes of the homeworlds, or at least a DA:O style epilogue to tell me how things were going down. But no... credits. In those few moments, my heart sank to the ground and I felt like I had just wasted a great portion of my gaming life. All the promises of choice mattering, multiple endings... all bull, apparently.
I wasn't just mad. I was legit depressed. I haven't been able to really play much of anything since... I started my second playthrough just to see my Tali romance play out, but I have no intention of finishing it past the Cerberus base and it still just doesn't feel right. I have eight other Shepards waiting to load up, but to do so almost feels like a disservice to them. I'm going to let them lay for now, not seeing what happens in the future. I couldn't even bring myself to get online and check the forums... I felt kind of like a tool for getting so upset about this. "It's just a game," I'd tell myself, but then I realised...
Mass Effect has been more than a game to me. It's been a friend. A journey. An... experience. To see that all of my decisions throughout that journey lead to ultimately the same end, I felt betrayed. It's a shame because of how amazing the rest of the game is, but I just can't see myself playing more until I know Bioware will fix it. Shepard doesn't have to survive... hell, the Relays can stay destroyed. I'd prefer they didn't and I got my (near-unnattainable would be ok) everyone lives, Reapers are destroyed ending, but if I don't that's okay. I just need to know what the hell just happened, and that my decisions really have had an impact on how things will play out. I need to know I haven't wasted my time, and that my faith in Bioware wasn't misplaced. Hell, I even defended the merits of DA2... but with this... I don't know if I can stay loyal, Bioware. Please don't make me leave you. I haven't cancelled my SWTOR account yet but... I will if this isn't resolved. I just can't do it.
Hold the Line.
And Marauder Shields really did try his best to stop me. I should have let him.
Carnage752 wrote...
Then perhaps you should take a moment to thank Bioware for not only tolerating 3 threads that are off-topic, but are directly opposed to their interests on their own private forums.wheelierdan wrote...
im not disagreeing im just saying its a funny situation, this topic has nothing to do with gameplay so technically speaking it shouldn't be in the forum. yet in talking of gameplay one becomes off topic of the thread.
im glad its here obviously im just saying, see the humor in it.
You know how you can thank them? BEING CIVIL!
Chris made a definitive statement. Jessica has (no offense) made none.spacefiddle wrote...
I'm sorry, but I need to tie this in. Why do we implicitly trust Chris' word but not Jessica's? If we question one, don't we need to question the other?
Maybe we should take statements from both with a grain of salt, due to professional alignment as well as simple personal differences - but also extend a degree of doubt-benefit to both, as well.
And frankly, my dialogue with Jess last night started with me questioning the validity of statistics she quoted (on Twitter). What followed was a lengthy and fascinating convo on the subject, which included me looking up and finding the studies those stats are based on. All of this was accomplished while being polite and having a good time. Why is this so much to ask?
chkchkchk wrote...
Impressive trollmanship indeed! Whoever it was had been at it before Mass Effect 3 rolled out, by the looks of the responses on Penny Arcade. (Or the account got hacked.) But even if true, Bioware/EA certainly wouldn't fire him. Think of the backlash then! "BIOWARE FIRES LONG-TIME WRITER FOR REVEALING THAT THE ENDING WAS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE TWO DUDES LOCKED THEMSELVES IN A ROOM AND IGNORED THE REST OF THEIR TEAM"
Can you imagine? That basically throws the whole "artistic integrity" thing out the window, doesn't it? So I don't think we've got to worry about anyone getting fired.
It doesn't matter if it's fake or real, though. What matters is the potential that Bioware people are sympathetic to our concerns, and will thus advocate for us. That's my point. There's a good chance Bioware's creative teams are having some crazy debates right now. Remember, the "artist" in this case is not a single author, but a whole team. That's why it's good to remain civil. We don't want to alienate people who want the same thing as us.
chkchkchk wrote...
Sinnick03 wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Yeah, it was confirmed as a hyper troll.izmirtheastarach wrote...
That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.
Impressive trollmanship. How was it confirmed?
Impressive trollmanship indeed! Whoever it was had been at it before Mass Effect 3 rolled out, by the looks of the responses on Penny Arcade. (Or the account got hacked.) But even if true, Bioware/EA certainly wouldn't fire him. Think of the backlash then! "BIOWARE FIRES LONG-TIME WRITER FOR REVEALING THAT THE ENDING WAS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE TWO DUDES LOCKED THEMSELVES IN A ROOM AND IGNORED THE REST OF THEIR TEAM"
Can you imagine? That basically throws the whole "artistic integrity" thing out the window, doesn't it? So I don't think we've got to worry about anyone getting fired.
It doesn't matter if it's fake or real, though. What matters is the potential that Bioware people are sympathetic to our concerns, and will thus advocate for us. That's my point. There's a good chance Bioware's creative teams are having some crazy debates right now. Remember, the "artist" in this case is not a single author, but a whole team. That's why it's good to remain civil. We don't want to alienate people who want the same thing as us.
unclee wrote...
Darkeus wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Yeah, it was confirmed as a hyper troll.izmirtheastarach wrote...
That quote from Patrick has been established as fake, according the Chris. He said he physically went and asked Patrick about it.
I hate to say that Mr. Priestly claiming that it is not real is not really a credible source He is an employee of EA/Bioware and in that capacity, he is quite biased.
So until it is confirmed by someone else, like a mod on the PA forums, then I will take what Mr. Priestly says with a grain of salt.
I can't recall a single instance in the past where Priestly has straight up lied to the fans here. I vaguely remeber him announcing DLC release dates and then the DLC having to be pushed back (may be thinking of something else though) but I don't ever remember him straight up lying about anything.
We can't start just assuming everything the folks at Bioware say isn't true just because we've gotten a few statements that have had a lot of fluff in them. You also need to remember: in a time where we're not getting a lot of completely straight answers Priestly gave a straight answer. That to me says he's being honest.
If we start assuming everything they say is a lie then that's the first step to become what the gaming media has made us out to be.
^Carnage752 wrote...
Then perhaps you should take a moment to thank Bioware for not only tolerating 3 threads that are off-topic, but are directly opposed to their interests on their own private forums.wheelierdan wrote...
im not disagreeing im just saying its a funny situation, this topic has nothing to do with gameplay so technically speaking it shouldn't be in the forum. yet in talking of gameplay one becomes off topic of the thread.
im glad its here obviously im just saying, see the humor in it.
You know how you can thank them? BEING CIVIL!
Modifié par spacefiddle, 22 mars 2012 - 04:51 .
Not to be a downer, but that's how my reaction first started. Now I'm here. You can guess the restclos wrote...
So I watched the stream. It was interesting seeing someone who enjoyed the ending. He totally had a different reaction than I did. Mine was "WTF is this crap?" And then replaying the other 2 endings and being even more upset.
Good for him, glad he enjoyed it. I guess there are all types of tastes out there. Now, just because some people like masochism doesn't mean the majority would though.
For me, I'll hold the line. The crap ending has to be changed.
Er - wait, so all Jess has to do is say "I swear this is the truth?" I'm not sure what you're saying here.Carnage752 wrote...
Chris made a definitive statement. Jessica has (no offense) made none.spacefiddle wrote...
I'm sorry, but I need to tie this in. Why do we implicitly trust Chris' word but not Jessica's? If we question one, don't we need to question the other?
Maybe we should take statements from both with a grain of salt, due to professional alignment as well as simple personal differences - but also extend a degree of doubt-benefit to both, as well.
And frankly, my dialogue with Jess last night started with me questioning the validity of statistics she quoted (on Twitter). What followed was a lengthy and fascinating convo on the subject, which included me looking up and finding the studies those stats are based on. All of this was accomplished while being polite and having a good time. Why is this so much to ask?
Point taken.mmdestiny wrote...
This thread is about PR and Damage control for the ending issue. Stick on topic, this thread is too important to have closed for the sheer volume of unnecessary 5 word posts about a stream. If you wanna discuss that, take it to a new thread. Otherwise, keep this about the PR machine.
Thank you.
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