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[Sinnick03]

cyrrant wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Ok guys, I generally don't like people throwing polls around and getting people to vote, but I'll be "that guy" this time.
The FAQ website, which is rather well known (and is the reason I'm doing this), is putting up their own poll on changing the ending. Currently, the 3 choices for change are winning, but only slightly.

If you find a poll about the change, vote on it. Doesnt matter if its on a dead end website that no one uses, as Bioware will find any polls that work in favor of keeping the ending (and will use said polls as a reason to leave things as is).

Anyways, here is the FAQ site-
http://www.gamefaqs.com/

Hold the line guys *salutes*

Anyone available should probably head on over and vote on this poll.

Was it just me, or did the questions in that poll seem a little...slanted?

[unclee]

Ahms wrote...

unclee wrote...

Folks, let's remember to be civil and respectful to everyone here. We don't want to name call or talk disrespectful to anyone cause everyone is awesome!

Except for the folks behind the ending. Awesome they are not.

They're awesome too because they gave us the rest of the game as well! It's just those last 10 minutes that make everything go all....well, what you see here.

Plus, I generally like to think that everyone is cool people until proven otherwise. Helps me keep the blood pressure down.

[wheelierdan]

speaking of reviews i freaking love that jim sterling is defending the reviews saying journalists dont get paid or bribed when hes done entire shows about the gaming press only high quality stuff they get sent, or the free trips to "review the game onsite" that just happens to be somewhere awesome.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

HALO_Project wrote...

Mr. Priestly also said that the multiplayer would not be required to achieve the optimal ending, that single-player alone could accomplish this and that isn't exactly true either, now is it? Of course there isn't really an "optimal ending" so I guess he dodged around that one and I firmly believe the man says what they pay him to. It is his job to rally us, he is the Community Coordinator.  I don't begrudge him that, I just take everything he says with a heap of salt. I have ever since the hype surrounding Dragon Age 2.

Holding out Hope and Holding The Line

To be fair, he is sometimes wrong. But usually that's because the information he was given was wrong. Not because he intended to mislead anyone.

He seems to do that a lot.

[cyrrant]

spacefiddle wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

@spacefiddle Loose statements like the on all PR's make can be danced sround and are technically not lying. However, if a definitive statement was made then found out to be lies, then the backlash would be large and completely legit. So if they made a definite statement over something like that, you can be assured it's legit. It's heavy risk, and the priiiizzzee isn't worth it.

Above your post are several examples of what he said being completely untrue.  Note than instead of backlash, we have "well he must have been misinformed."

My point is a double-standard where trust without proof is extended to Chris, despite statements he's made in the past being proveably false, while at the same time people defend their right to jump all over Jessica as being "part of her job," with no similar trust being extended; with, in fact, people taking the position that it is right and correct to doubt everything she says.  Double standard.  More iking by the fact that she's here engaging, and Chris isn't.

IN fact, while she's devoted personal time to engaging us, Chris' last post was "Hey we're listening, really we are, now quick let's all list the things about ME3 that we really love! Tapdance shellgame deflect..."

I find Chris' role to be a lot more static and company-line.  Nothing against him, it's just his role.  But it's odd that their opposite actions get crossed results.  Why do you think that is?

This is an interesting question, and to be honest, I don't know.  I'm rather new to the BSN, though I've been a ME fan since the first game came out, so my only exposure has been that one post.

You raise an interesting question involving a double standard, but I'm not sure many of the people trusting his statement are the same ones that were doubting Jessica.  If someone who was suspicious of her motives wants to chime in, feel free.

I personally just find the circumstances suspect.  But all I really have is limited evidence and a little bit of common sense deduction to go off of.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[CaptainBlackGold]

Just voted; the "change the ending" option is losing - I suspect cheating.

Anyways, it only takes a second and every little bit of evidence helps.

[-PG-Skyre]

Sinnick03 wrote...
*snip*
Was it just me, or did the questions in that poll seem a little...slanted?

Extremely slanted. Another EA fed reviewer site, no doubt. If you notice, a lot of sites running questionable polls started showing up once BW said it was going to research what the consumers responses were through the net.

[Ender99]

Ahms wrote...

unclee wrote...

Folks, let's remember to be civil and respectful to everyone here. We don't want to name call or talk disrespectful to anyone cause everyone is awesome!

Except for the folks behind the ending. Awesome they are not.

Nope, and they only see in three colors. XD

Everyone in this movement is awesome though. Come one guys, don't let them get to you. Remember: A house divided cannot stand.

Keep it together. Hold the line for as long as it takes.

Modifié par Ender99, 22 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[wheelierdan]

i dont think anyones cheating i think its a venn diagram, one circle is people who've played mass effect, the other are people visiting the site for any reason and seeing the poll, and that ones a lot bigger than the people who played to the end of mass effect and also visit the site.

[Chronor]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Ok guys, I generally don't like people throwing polls around and getting people to vote, but I'll be "that guy" this time.
The FAQ website, which is rather well known (and is the reason I'm doing this), is putting up their own poll on changing the ending. Currently, the 3 choices for change are winning, but only slightly.

If you find a poll about the change, vote on it. Doesnt matter if its on a dead end website that no one uses, as Bioware will find any polls that work in favor of keeping the ending (and will use said polls as a reason to leave things as is).

Anyways, here is the FAQ site-
http://www.gamefaqs.com/

Hold the line guys *salutes*

I suggest not partaking that particular poll because it does not ask the right question.  I mean the question places us in a negative light - "Yes, if it's what the user's want, they should get it"?  Does that not sound like a condescension leading to the "entitlement" camp?

A better question should be, "Yes, if it fixes the ending" or "Yes, to clarify and bring closure to the series" or similar.  No wonder the naysayers are winning the poll.

Modifié par Chronor, 22 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[Siegdrifa]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

Just voted; the "change the ending" option is losing - I suspect cheating.

Anyways, it only takes a second and every little bit of evidence helps.

The no side have 2 degree (refuse new ending)
the yes side have 3 degree (wants or won't mind to get new ending)

As a whole, no is still loosing.

[wheelierdan]

seriously if it was a game you've never heard of and someone asked you should they change the end because some fans want them too, step outside this situation, what would be your first response.

[Sinnick03]

wheelierdan wrote...

seriously if it was a game you've never heard of and someone asked you should they change the end because some fans want them too, step outside this situation, what would be your first response.

Whew, thought I was going all paranoid for a moment.

[izmirtheastarach]

Chris' job is to moderate and manage the community.

Jessica's job, at it's simplest form, is to keep people happy, engaged, and talking about the game. If you take 5 minutes and look at the twitter feeds she handles, you can see that this is the case. Everything she does is to encourage people to keep talking about the game. It's really not that complicated, and it's certainly not nefarious.

[wheelierdan]

youre not paranoid, we really are all out to get you:)

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

The only explanation for the ME3 ending is: SPACE MAGIC

[Siegdrifa]

wheelierdan wrote...

seriously if it was a game you've never heard of and someone asked you should they change the end because some fans want them too, step outside this situation, what would be your first response.

It's pretty obvious... NO ! it would be a very basic reaction.

[Ender99]

Sinnick03 wrote...

wheelierdan wrote...

seriously if it was a game you've never heard of and someone asked you should they change the end because some fans want them too, step outside this situation, what would be your first response.

Whew, thought I was going all paranoid for a moment.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean no one is out to get you.

@ wheelierdan

That's what I think too, just random people voting. Not necessarily people who've played the game.

[HALO_Project]

DuneMuadDib wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

HALO_Project wrote...

Mr. Priestly also said that the multiplayer would not be required to achieve the optimal ending, that single-player alone could accomplish this and that isn't exactly true either, now is it? 

In all fairness, I believe you only need 4000/5000+ EMS to get the "optimal" ending.  If you have galactic readiness (from multiplayer) then you can get away with a lower EMS.

EMS is the total assets multipled by the readiness.  Numerous calculations have been done to show it to be "problematic" to achieve 4000 EMS without playing multiplayer as 8000 TMS is impossible at present (moreso with bugged quests).

I could be mistaken, but I'm given to understand you can't have Shepard live if you don't play at least SOME MP.

You're not mistaken. It does mean that your TMS has to be at least 8000-10000 to get the EMS 4000-5000 endings which as it stands is not possible. However if they were basing this on the intention to release DLC then... Still it just starts the whole "where the hell is the optimal ending' in the first place debate all over again.

Holding out Hope and Holding The Line

[wheelierdan]

and i think the poll is baised. 3 yes options and two know will solidify the no vote, its like a political campaign where the 3rd party siphons off enough votes from one side to give the other an advantage.

plus the wording of the no side clearly states the side but the yes side doesnt say why yes just that fans want it.

if i changed the first one to "yes, they got something other than what they were promised" or "yes the quality was wildly different compared to the game/series"

don't you think that would influence the results? im not saying they intentionally biased the poll, just poor practices because its just a simple fun poll.

[Faceless Minion]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

Please consider that maybe SOME BIOWARE WRITERS WANT A "NEW" ENDING TOO.

This article has the details on a Bioware writer allegedly posting stuff (now deleted) on the Penny Arcade forums about disagreements within the writing team.  Obviously the official word is that someone was impersonating the writer.

BUT!

BUT!

But let's try and work under the assumption that right now there's internal debate within Bioware.  Bioware is a big company and the Mass Effect team consists of many writers.  We gain nothing by being jerkfaces.  Plus, if we act like jerks we might be weakening the positions of sympathetic people within Bioware.

Stay calm, y'all.

Another one on that topic.
http://www.gamefront...lam-the-ending/

I hope Bioware buys the hijacked account story.

This was confirmed fake in another thread by Christ Priestly, Bioware Staff.

Why do people keep feeling that Chris saying something means it is true?

A. They've been almost nothing but baldfaced lies about the ending, why should we listen now?

B. I can totally see the guy going "Oh sure, that was me!  Can I have my pink slip now?!" with a big grin on his face.

[wicked_being]

Faceless Minion wrote...

Why do people keep feeling that Chris saying something means it is true?

A. They've been almost nothing but baldfaced lies about the ending, why should we listen now?

B. I can totally see the guy going "Oh sure, that was me!  Can I have my pink slip now?!" with a big grin on his face.

At least he got a totally different colored ending 

[Faceless Minion]

spacefiddle wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

@spacefiddle Loose statements like the on all PR's make can be danced sround and are technically not lying. However, if a definitive statement was made then found out to be lies, then the backlash would be large and completely legit. So if they made a definite statement over something like that, you can be assured it's legit. It's heavy risk, and the priiiizzzee isn't worth it.

Above your post are several examples of what he said being completely untrue.  Note than instead of backlash, we have "well he must have been misinformed."

My point is a double-standard where trust without proof is extended to Chris, despite statements he's made in the past being proveably false, while at the same time people defend their right to jump all over Jessica as being "part of her job," with no similar trust being extended; with, in fact, people taking the position that it is right and correct to doubt everything she says.  Double standard.  More iking by the fact that she's here engaging, and Chris isn't.

IN fact, while she's devoted personal time to engaging us, Chris' last post was "Hey we're listening, really we are, now quick let's all list the things about ME3 that we really love! Tapdance shellgame deflect..."

I find Chris' role to be a lot more static and company-line.  Nothing against him, it's just his role.  But it's odd that their opposite actions get crossed results.  Why do you think that is?

This is exactly how I feel about the whole thing.
I don't hate the guy, but at this point I trust his word a far as I can throw a Krogan.
Why are people trusting him?

[Zero.Gee]

Bachuck wrote...

Ms Merizan,

What I'm about to say I learned through personal work experience.

[-SNIPPED-]

I'm proud of the way these people have expressed themselves through this tough and uncertain time. Bioware should be too. All companies should be so lucky to have customers this passionate about their product.

Sincerely,
BaChuck

Very well put Bachuck, I have a feeling many others felt the same way you do.

[Paparob]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

Just voted; the "change the ending" option is losing - I suspect cheating.

Anyways, it only takes a second and every little bit of evidence helps.

1) Its a bad poll

2) Is that kind of paranoia needed? I really doubt Bioware is going to rely on some GameFAQs poll to the point they are actively trying to stuff the ballot box. Just relax man, take things in good faith until proven otherwise. We've got no reason to believe that Bioware is stuffing the ballot box on a GameFAQs poll.

Modifié par Paparob, 22 mars 2012 - 05:29 .