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[TurambarEA]

cyrrant wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Ok guys, I generally don't like people throwing polls around and getting people to vote, but I'll be "that guy" this time.
The FAQ website, which is rather well known (and is the reason I'm doing this), is putting up their own poll on changing the ending. Currently, the 3 choices for change are winning, but only slightly.

If you find a poll about the change, vote on it. Doesnt matter if its on a dead end website that no one uses, as Bioware will find any polls that work in favor of keeping the ending (and will use said polls as a reason to leave things as is).

Anyways, here is the FAQ site-
http://www.gamefaqs.com/

Hold the line guys *salutes*

Anyone available should probably head on over and vote on this poll.

Voted. I guarantee you that a large percentage of the people voting 'no' haven't even played the game. That's just me going by what I've witnessed in the comments at Gamespot, IGN, etc. Need to balance the scales with people who have actually played the game.

[wheelierdan]

i seriously doubt he would lie so boldly for the simple fact that eventually people will leave the company and no longer have to keep the secret. i know they really split hairs with the dlc but technically since to get the full dlc you had to download more content he can weasley claim its not on disc content.

for the opposite reason this sis why casey hudson isn't being so talkative, he said things that are demonstratively false. its a bit harder for him to be credible unless there are insane circumstances to be explained, like "oh i said that stuff because we accidentally loaded the wrong endings"

[Ender99]

Zero.Gee wrote...

Bachuck wrote...

Ms Merizan,

What I'm about to say I learned through personal work experience.

[-SNIPPED-]

I'm proud of the way these people have expressed themselves through this tough and uncertain time. Bioware should be too. All companies should be so lucky to have customers this passionate about their product.

Sincerely,
BaChuck

Very well put Bachuck, I have a feeling many others felt the same way you do.

Like many of us have said. If we didn't love the product and the company so much, we wouldn't be this upset. How's that old saying go: You can't truly hate something unless you've loved it first?

We want to love Bioware again. We really do.

So hold the line and get new endings so we can.

[HALO_Project]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

The only explanation for the ME3 ending is: SPACE MAGIC

Concerning the Ending and the whole thing with the starchild, I didn't need an explaination. I was fine accepting what Sovereign said that they were incomprehensible. They were so damned old and had been doing it for so long that the why wasn't even an issue for me any more. I didn't care, I just wanted them stopped. Leave it for the scholars (Liara) to debate once it was over and we were picking up the pieces. Am I alone? Was the explaination actually needed? And for heaven's sake if it was why couldn't they have made it make some damned sense? Sorry. I just get so.... ahhh I just wish I could play Mass Effect again but I can't bring myself to do it. I feel so betrayed and knowing that she/he's going to go through all that crap, that so many friends are going to die along the way and only for it to be so that Shepard can become the biggest terrorist the galaxy has ever known, easily trumping the atrocities commited by the Reapers.... ahh

I want to see the good points in that announcement. I try not to see coporate angles in everything... But I feel so damned betrayed it's so hard not to.


Holding out Hope and Holding The Line

[Daerog]

That Gamesfaq poll is horribly worded. Don't cave into the fans? Who do you cave into then? People who are not fans?

Change it because fans demand it or because people are angry? How about because the endings don't seem to fit except with the Indoc theory, without that, they make no sense in the story at all.

[wheelierdan]

i agree about the reapers, they were best left to mysterious purpose, writes always do this is tv shows and movies. they talk up a bad guy and then there's a super easy way to kill them when they feel like it. Like star trek and the borg, at first unstoppable but slowly they became no challenge at all.
or firefly and the reavers, through the series the characters **** their pants in fear at the mention but in the movie river solos them. writers just dont know their limitations.

[-PG-Skyre]

Neh, flooding the FAQ site with the "Yes" answer is all we have. Unfortunately, so many sites like FAQ are "friendly" with EA and its departments, so we're likely to face this situation as long as we fight.
That being said, we're catching up on the "No" answer. Keep up the good work =)

[blurryhunter]

My problem with polls and the opinions of those that obviously haven't taken the time to actually review both sides to this situation is that they all assume we're simply asking for a new ending. It isn't that simple.

I respect the ending they made. I also know that it goes completely against the grain of their established universe while explaining absolutely nothing it introduces. For reasons of their own, they felt those ending results fit. That's okay and it's within their right.

I, and I'm assuming many others, also know that it's in our right to look at them and say: Then what was all that talk about multiple endings that are based heavily around our choices?

It's deeper rooted, for me anyhow, than a simple 'ending change.' This isn't the endings they, themselves, said they would provide. I think if many people sat down and realized that what we got was not even close to what they said we were getting, they'd see things from a different light then just: We're pissed because our game ended in a way we didn't like.

If they had never said anything about branching endings and the inclusion of reflected player choice from the previous events in any interviews, I would have written the ending I got off as a confusing moment that made little sense.

I would have voiced my opinion like I did with other games that pulled crazy 180 moments at the end and said: Great game, think Tali's picture deserved more attention, can't understand why you went with that Journal log (no direction at all), and the ending flew in the face of your universe mechanics, but other than that, I'm happy.

But they said that the endings would contain your choices. That what you did and pulled through from day one of Mass Effect would conclude. As it stands now, my roommate whose gameplay turned out completely different from mine (his memorial wall had twice the names, for example) had exactly the same ending. Scene to scene, moment to moment.

That is unacceptable.

[SkaldFish]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Near 6 am, time to sleep a few hours ...

Before i go here is a joke when i had my first day in highschool near 15 years ago, on my desk was written (from another studen) :
"in this place, i held the line against sleep..... but i failed", i understood few days later what he meant.

And for those who missed it :
http://kotaku.com/58...ng-for-the-fans
Kotaku backing better ending for ME3 and why it would be a good idea for us (player) as for them (Bioware), enjoy !
See you later.

Good article. I didn't realize the "artistic integrity" debate was surging again. I'm surprised, because it just doesn't hold water. At a fundamental level, the reason it's a sham is that somehow the notion of coercion crept in. Art has always been open to critique, and it's always been give and take. Somehow, here, the notion is that BioWare might "cave" to this bullying by players and start us all down a "slippery slope" (logical fallacy) towards, I don't know, some kind of creative neofascism or something. That's just absurd.

There's no coercion here. We're customers. BioWare is the vendor. Even the (unfortunate) FTC filing is a claim of false advertising, not an attack against creative freedom. If BioWare decides that creative integrity trumps every other consideration, then they do so with the understanding that there are consequences in terms of brand trust, market share, etc., and they will have judged those consequences to be an acceptable tradeoff. I don't think anyone here has a plan in that scenario to storm the Bastille in Edmonton and set up a new anti-creativity BioWare post-revolution government.

Any power in play here is just the power consumers already had, and it's pretty feeble, really. Just as it's our right to question the quality of the product we've purchased and request, it's BioWare's right to say "we understand your position but we disagree." If it could be said that a greater power is in play, it would be the power of any good will the two "sides" manage to retain towards each other.

So the whole creative freedom thing -- and the difficulty of correcting conventional wisdom on such a broad scale -- is why I keep harping on the quality angle. It's not about the freedom to tell the story the ME team decided to tell, it's about telling the story well. The last 5-ish minutes of the game are not well executed (along several quality metrics), and all the other issues derive from that. Notions of creative freedom need never come into the discussion. If I commission a portrait and the finished product is amazing except for the nose, which is just a big red dircle, I'm not going to be having a discussion with the artist about creative freedom.

[Daerog]

wheelierdan wrote...

i agree about the reapers, they were best left to mysterious purpose, writes always do this is tv shows and movies. they talk up a bad guy and then there's a super easy way to kill them when they feel like it. Like star trek and the borg, at first unstoppable but slowly they became no challenge at all.
or firefly and the reavers, through the series the characters **** their pants in fear at the mention but in the movie river solos them. writers just dont know their limitations.

After ME1 and ME2, it was pretty obvious the Reapers were about control and order. The starchild should not have used the whole synthetics vs organics theory, it was horrible and can be disproven by Shep with the geth and quarians and EDI. Also, if it was all about synthetics not destroying organics, then why don't the Reapers just kill all the geth and not the organics? The starchild should have just stuck with chaos vs order, that organics advance so far that they endanger themselves and the cosmos. Sticks to guns to missiles to nukes to Thanix cannons to ????

[Ahms]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Chris' job is to moderate and manage the community.

Jessica's job, at it's simplest form, is to keep people happy, engaged, and talking about the game. If you take 5 minutes and look at the twitter feeds she handles, you can see that this is the case. Everything she does is to encourage people to keep talking about the game. It's really not that complicated, and it's certainly not nefarious.

This word. I like it.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Halo Project
No it's Space Magic

[chkchkchk]

Faceless Minion wrote...

GoblinSapper wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

Please consider that maybe SOME BIOWARE WRITERS WANT A "NEW" ENDING TOO.

This article has the details on a Bioware writer allegedly posting stuff (now deleted) on the Penny Arcade forums about disagreements within the writing team.  Obviously the official word is that someone was impersonating the writer.

BUT!

BUT!

But let's try and work under the assumption that right now there's internal debate within Bioware.  Bioware is a big company and the Mass Effect team consists of many writers.  We gain nothing by being jerkfaces.  Plus, if we act like jerks we might be weakening the positions of sympathetic people within Bioware.

Stay calm, y'all.

Another one on that topic.
http://www.gamefront...lam-the-ending/

I hope Bioware buys the hijacked account story.

This was confirmed fake in another thread by Christ Priestly, Bioware Staff.

Why do people keep feeling that Chris saying something means it is true?

A. They've been almost nothing but baldfaced lies about the ending, why should we listen now?

B. I can totally see the guy going "Oh sure, that was me!  Can I have my pink slip now?!" with a big grin on his face.

I don't want to second-guess Christ Priestly.  He's doing his job and he's probably under a lot of stress.  Let's ease off the guy. 

If this story is true, though, it certainly explains why the ending was SO DAMN JARRING.  I mean, the whole game was perfect bliss for me until the last fifteen minutes.  What happened?  Well, the ending was the only part of the script that wasn't peer-reviewed.  Even the most talented writer is gonna have trouble without getting feedback.  Even the best novelist has an editor and peers to look over things.

From the Gamefront article linked above:

Last week, Takyris, or someone with access to his Penny Arcade account, started posting very specific, very critical comments there, culminating in a lengthy exposition in which he seemed to confirm what many have long suspected, that the ending we all hated so much was the result of a process breakdown near the end of development.  ...  according to Takyris, it was a complete departure from the writing process up to that point. “Every other mission in the game had to be held up to the rest of the writing team, and the writing team then picked it apart and made suggestions and pointed out the parts that made no sense."

That's if this is true, anyway.  (Cue dramatic music!)  Regardless, our "movement" gives opportunities to any writers who dislike the current ending or want to expand on that.  Bioware is full of talented people and I'm sure everyone has their own ideas about how Mass Effect 3 should've ended.  There is no single monolithic vision.  I'm currently optimistic that we'll get some epilogue/ending DLC.  Of course, I am also sleep deprived and OMGOMG OILY SHADOWS

Modifié par chkchkchk, 22 mars 2012 - 05:49 .

[cApAc aMaRu]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

EDIT: None of this affects my role. I'm still your advocate and am actively collecting feedback, thoughts, questions, concerns etc. 

Someone got told off, and told that her posts weren't helpful. Since everyone in this thread found the posts most insightful, I can only guess that the people saying it wasn't were from PR. This post even sounds like it was written by PR. 

Interesting to see how the company treats its staff so similarly to its consumer base.

[vrumpt]

Just wanted to say that this thread and the people who actively take part in it just disgust me. The people who work at Bioware are humans, not some robots who don't have any emotions whatsoever.

You greedy careless human beings are so tunnel visioned by this random guy who knows how to put big words and logic together that you completely forfeit any compassion and sympathy you had for your own selfish interests. Thats insulting to the human race. You have been indoctrination by this clever individual whose posts you idolize in the OP into thinking that any little word, thought or even breathe by Bioware is a huge organized PR scandal. Its disgusting. I hope everybody here enjoys ruining the lives of others solely because you were dissatisfied by the ending of a freaking video game. First world problems, and at the cost of losing your humility in the process.

Please carry on though, i'm sure i'm just another paid PR stunt who was sent to break your goddamn line.

[HALO_Project]

Ahms wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Chris' job is to moderate and manage the community.

Jessica's job, at it's simplest form, is to keep people happy, engaged, and talking about the game. If you take 5 minutes and look at the twitter feeds she handles, you can see that this is the case. Everything she does is to encourage people to keep talking about the game. It's really not that complicated, and it's certainly not nefarious.

This word. I like it.

Well he is called "Evil" Chris Priestly in the Mass Effect 3 credits...   

and 

 
Totally Not Swaggacide 
@Halo Project 
No it's Space Magic 

 

Ha!  

[cyrrant]

chkchkchk wrote...

That's if this is true, anyway.  (Cue dramatic music!)  Regardless, our "movement" gives opportunities to any writers who dislike the current ending or want to expand on that.  Bioware is full of talented people and I'm sure everyone has their own ideas about how Mass Effect 3 should've ended.  There is no single monolithic vision.  I'm currently optimistic that we'll get some epilogue/ending DLC.  Of course, I am also sleep deprived and OMGOMG OILY SHADOWS

Bolded for emphasis.  I wouldn't expect writers to come out and explicitly support our cause or start spouting off "Hold the line" in meetings every time Casey Hudson utters a word, but they could subtley push for endings more in line with the rest of the game.  If we keep the pressure on, they will have greater influence as Bioware gets more and more desperate for a way to get us to shut up.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[cyrrant]

vrumpt wrote...

Just wanted to say that this thread and the people who actively take part in it just disgust me. The people who work at Bioware are humans, not some robots who don't have any emotions whatsoever.

You greedy careless human beings are so tunnel visioned by this random guy who knows how to put big words and logic together that you completely forfeit any compassion and sympathy you had for your own selfish interests. Thats insulting to the human race. You have been indoctrination by this clever individual whose posts you idolize in the OP into thinking that any little word, thought or even breathe by Bioware is a huge organized PR scandal. Its disgusting. I hope everybody here enjoys ruining the lives of others solely because you were dissatisfied by the ending of a freaking video game. First world problems, and at the cost of losing your humility in the process.

Please carry on though, i'm sure i'm just another paid PR stunt who was sent to break your goddamn line.

That's great!  Was there anything you did like about the Retake Mass Effect 3 movement?

[loboME2]

Not sure if anyone already posted this...
Mass Effect 3 row prompts change to add 'further closure'
http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17458208

Modifié par loboME2, 22 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[chkchkchk]

vrumpt --- I definitely wish people would be less antagonistic. I'm a fan of Bioware. As cute as "HOLD THE LINE" is, we don't need to be treating it like a real war. There's nothing wrong about being passionate about art, though, as long as everyone remembers Bioware is full of people who've brought us lots of awesomeness.

[Hsien]

Could someone pls pm me a link to the retake mass effect 3 banners? My banner in my sig is screwed up for some reason and i can't find the link among the thousands of posts on the forum

thanks

[DarkSpiral]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Just so you guys are aware, my Twitter account will no longer be a place to discuss BioWare (at least for now). If you're following me there and that's the only reason, I suggest unfollowing me.

I will also be changing my interactions with fans on the BSN to a role that is more moderation focused and less engagement focused. Thanks to those of you who have provided wonderful conversations.

Lastly, despite what someone indicated on an earlier page, I am not a salaried employee. I am paid hourly. It's a good job, but I'm not being paid to engage with the community at 3AM. I did it because I thought it was helpful. I'm sorry that it wasn't.

EDIT: None of this affects my role. I'm still your advocate and am actively collecting feedback, thoughts, questions, concerns etc. 

Someone got told off, and told that her posts weren't helpful. Since everyone in this thread found the posts most insightful, I can only guess that the people saying it wasn't were from PR. This post even sounds like it was written by PR. 

Interesting to see how the company treats its staff so similarly to its consumer base.

That is a wild-arsed guess, completely unsubstantiated.  Kindly avoid such things.

[chkchkchk]

cyrrant wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

That's if this is true, anyway.  (Cue dramatic music!)  Regardless, our "movement" gives opportunities to any writers who dislike the current ending or want to expand on that.  Bioware is full of talented people and I'm sure everyone has their own ideas about how Mass Effect 3 should've ended.  There is no single monolithic vision.  I'm currently optimistic that we'll get some epilogue/ending DLC.  Of course, I am also sleep deprived and OMGOMG OILY SHADOWS

Bolded for emphasis.  I wouldn't expect writers to come out and explicitly support our cause or start spouting off "Hold the line" in meetings every time Casey Hudson utters a word, but they could subtley push for endings more in line with the rest of the game.  If we keep the pressure on, they will have greater influence as Bioware gets more and more desperate for a way to get us to shut up.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

Thanks!  I really think this is something we have to keep in mind.  Our ultimate goal should be to ENABLE people in Bioware who are sympathetic.  I'm confident they exist.  Mass Effect is full of people with lots of ideas, and we all know there have been plenty of unused ideas and ideas no one knows about.

Monitoring the PR response is good.  We don't need to be tearing people apart, though.

[cyrrant]

Hsien wrote...

Could someone pls pm me a link to the retake mass effect 3 banners? My banner in my sig is screwed up for some reason and i can't find the link among the thousands of posts on the forum

thanks

lugoentertainment.com/me3ending/#!/FanArt

All the banners are there.  Click on the one appropriate to your country, and then copy the BBCode that shows up.  Then, when you're editing your sig, click the BBCode button at the top and paste what you got.  Should show up.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[RagingCeltik]

You know what I miss? I miss the days that all I wanted was my ME1 Femshep face to import properly. There was so much innocence back then.