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[akawa106]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Still an interesting read though. It offers some insight.

It's the content that makes it believable. Since I was already convinced that what it describes is what actually did happen. 

that also could just mean some1 else came up with that conclusion and wanted to stir things up

[Dane Seagal]

DarkSpiral wrote...

It also, ultimately, irrelevant. Regardless of it being legitimate or a fake, it is the opinion of one man, and not one in the position to do anything about the state of the game's end.

Well if it's real that would mean it's one mans fault, which is just... damn, that just makes me rage.

But indeed, that's not what it's all about atm, best not to choose a scapegoat.

[izmirtheastarach]

akawa106 wrote...

that also could just mean some1 else came up with that conclusion and wanted to stir things up

And that someone then hacked into said BW employees pre-existing account on the PA forums? That's where the story gets a little confusing. That seems a touch unlikely.

Dane Seagal wrote...

Well if it's real that would mean it's one mans fault, which is just... damn, that just makes me rage.

But indeed, that's not what it's all about atm, best not to choose a scapegoat.

Two men.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 22 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[IndustrializedTaco]

I'm heading out guys. Hold the line!

[cinderburster]

blurryhunter wrote...

DarkSpiral wrote...

I've read several articles since Ray's statement came out yesterday.  All of them involved a healthy does of speculation.  Its nice that the article is being referenced, so that others can know about it, but really none of thos articles add significance.  Ray's message is the clearest indication we've had that something is coming down the pipe, and it reamins the only important official response we've had yet.

Key thing is 'official response.' The message is more than across. Just stick to your reasons and goals. All we can do is to keep showing them we're not forgetting about it if they close their eyes to it. The ball is basically in BioWare's court at this point, we just need to make sure they remember we're not leaving the field because of that.

QFT.

And with that, I'm out.  Good night, all.

[Mesmurae]

Truth be told, I'm not sure what to make of Bioware anymore. I don't mean this in a negative way, I'm just still trying to sort out my own feelings.

After I beat Mass Effect 3 (Synthesis ending), I was immediately on here looking for answers. I thought surely I had done something wrong, but according to what I found, the synthesis ending meant I had apparently done well in the game. Needless to say, it didn't feel like much of a reward.

Anyway, this happened before Retake Mass Effect was really formed. I think it was the next day that I saw the banners popping up and it wasn't long before I had one of my own.

It didn't take me long to find this thread. Frankly, I'm glad that most of us have managed to remain civil, but I was also a bit surprised at our lack of patience as a whole. I wasn't expecting Bioware to respond to our concerns immediately. I wholeheartedly disagree with trying to pick apart and over analyze everything they say. It didn't surprise me much when they remained silent after the way some of us continued to do this.

I feel as though I have been pretty patient with Bioware. They are obviously aware of our concerns. Whether or not they will be addressed in a productive manner remains to be seen.

Now before anyone accuses me of being a Bioware apologist, there are some things that I think Bioware could have handled better.

I believe that Bioware has done it's best to minimize us. They would have LOVED for this to simply have gone away. I feel that part of their silence was to see whether or not that would happen, which it clearly did not. Only when it was clear that we wouldn't simply let it go did they finally address our concerns (in a very deflective manner)

As far as what Bioware actually said. It hardly ever felt like they were really listening to us. With each released statement, I got the impression it was like they were saying, "We know you're upset. We're going to possibly consider maybe addressing your concerns some time in the future." Perhaps I'm over-analyzing again, but moving on.

Bioware has always set the standard for me when it comes to RPGs. However, I'm in the crowd that was less than pleased with Dragon Age II, and I'm in the same crowd when it comes to the ending of Mass Effect 3. Although my main issue is the ending, I have a few tiny concerns with other parts of the game as well.

I'm not convinced that Dragon Age III will be any better than it's predecessor, and I'm very uncertain what direction Mass Effect 3 will take. Needless to say, I'm very unsure about my future with Bioware. I would love for them to prove me wrong and make me feel guilty for ever doubting them.

I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[izmirtheastarach]

^ If Bioware were a pen and paper DM, we'd all be looking for a new one.

[cApAc aMaRu]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

^ If Bioware were a pen and paper DM, we'd all be looking for a new one.

This.

On a side note,

We finally got some info on the face fix. They've fixed it, but we have to wait for it to get through certification.

It galls me though the Bioware and EA still word these things in ways that imply all the issues are ours, and not ones they GAVE us i.e.

"We are aware that some players are having issues importing the faces of characters from Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2 into Mass Effect 3"

instead of

"We are aware Mass Effect 3 has issues importing the faces of characters from Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2."

or 

"A problem with the character import feature slipped through our testing process."

[ReavousX]

Hello fellow line-holders, thought I'd plug a thread I made in regards to just how important PAX East is going to be in regards to this whole debate. Please, check it out and share some thoughts.

http://social.biowar...1298/1#10441524

Modifié par ReavousX, 22 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[DuneMuadDib]

That's not a phenomenon exclusive to Bioware, so I won't fault them for the corporate speak in addressing the face issue.

[blackfx]

Very insightful information. Thank you!

[ReavousX]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

ReavousX wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

ReavousX wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Guys this might be speculation, but check this article out. I know it's on IGN but hey it's some news.
Also Colin M. is still a d-bag who takes things out of context. Woot. http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html

The whole Colin M. thing is in the video.

That's a whole lot of assumption going on.  If you read Ray's statement, it sounds more like they're just going to put in the cut investigative dialogue with space god child thing.

Three different articles though. Two of which are actually news. I understand this might be speculation, but it's hope.

Go read Ray's statement in full.  You'll see that he only said that there was "clarification" coming.  That's it.

I did read it, I understood it. I just found these and felt they should be passed along.

It's just so obvious that they're simply jumping to conclusions from the same press release that we've all read.  I work in the media and see stuff like this happen all the time, presumptuous writers looking to break the big story when there's no story there at all.  

Look at their headlines.  They're pandering to google, and those who would search for "Mass Effect 3 ending", and they've worded it as such that they know people will click on it, despite what they're saying not actually being true.  

Apparently, their methods work.

[mmdestiny]

DuneMuadDib wrote...

That's not a phenomenon exclusive to Bioware, so I won't fault them for the corporate speak in addressing the face issue.

Agreed.  Their response to the face issue was standard "perceived perfection."  That's just business; address the issue, but don't call attention to being at fault for it.   It's just the nature of things, we do it all the time where I work lol.

Modifié par mmdestiny, 22 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[RiouHotaru]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

^ If Bioware were a pen and paper DM, we'd all be looking for a new one.

This.

On a side note,

We finally got some info on the face fix. They've fixed it, but we have to wait for it to get through certification.

It galls me though the Bioware and EA still word these things in ways that imply all the issues are ours, and not ones they GAVE us i.e.

"We are aware that some players are having issues importing the faces of characters from Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2 into Mass Effect 3"

instead of

"We are aware Mass Effect 3 has issues importing the faces of characters from Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2."

or 

"A problem with the character import feature slipped through our testing process."

Except that in the case of the face import, the problem isn't consistent.  I have a face from as far back as Mass Effect 1 and had no issue, but another friend of mine can't import his from ME1.  So the problem isn't regular enough for them to state that it effects everyone equally.

[DuneMuadDib]

Well yeah, why bother to fully investigate the issue when you can just write a headline to garner attention? Interesting how the media's reporting has gone from "entitled fans demand" at the onset which we feel was an unfair characterization to "Bioware changing ending" which is yet to be determined if that's the truth. At the very least media attention seems to be swaying in our favor, and positive press will hopefully lead to a satisfactory conclusion for all sides.

[Lil One]

I just hope the face fix is actually face import as in ME2 and not "replace with nearest"; that would then simply be easier to use than the user created solution, which, in all honesty, is not satisfactory in many cases.

Also, it applies to some (oooo) ME2-created-faces imports as well.

At any rate, back to holding the line!

[daemiendrake]

Time to sleep, Hold the line for me while I'm gone.
SSV Nor-Cal signing off....

[RobinEJ]

Dustin1280 wrote...

There are MANY good threads on this board, but this is possibly the best one. It is my goto thread for further development on this whole thing.

I just wanted to say thanks to all the fans that are helping keep this topic alive. As well as the posters that are analyzing whats going on. It is all very informative and wonderful to see a thread as concise and informative as this one.

Me too!
Thanks!
I'm in!

[willdom]

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1221275p1.html
http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
so what does this mean???

Modifié par willdom, 22 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Lil One]

Hmm, hard to say at this point, what it means. May be just "explaining the ending" rather than "new ending".

[ReavousX]

willdom wrote...

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1221275p1.html
so what does this mean???

Nothing at all.  They only had information from Ray's statement, where he did NOT say anything specific, certainly not that they were changing the endings.  

[OneWithTheAssassins]

willdom wrote...

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1221275p1.html
so what does this mean???

We just finished discusing it, it means nothing. Just the press trying to get views and other cheap tricks.

[Lestatman]

willdom wrote...

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1221275p1.html
http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
so what does this mean???

It means take it with a pinch of salt.  We just remain strong, positive and but most of all polite.

Hold The Line.

[willdom]

holding the line we will see what they have to say in April....

[Icycle1933]

They may have said an announcement in April would happen, but who's to say it wouldn't happen in late April and be incredibly vague? I just hope that I'm wrong in my assumption.