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[Souris]

Livein wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this Jess. Majority people who liked ending are sitting silent? Seriously? EA/BW is all about money, if we were just a vocal minority as many media tries to present us, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Major sites (like IGN-orance) are worried to post poll about endings. I mean how stupid Colin M. must feel when their own poll of FB page showed him wrong. Only mainstream site that had a guts to ask people straight what they feel about this on frontpage was german Gamestar, and guess what, numbers are overwhelmy on our side.

That is why EA/BW said that all options are on the table. Not because they respect 'vocal minority' .

I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

[Aurica]

An illumating post, I actually spent time reading the OP's & atghunter's long post.  It was very insightful and helped me recognize many of tactics being used on us by EA from another game franchise.  That being said, I think alot of us know b.s when we smell it.  Some are easier to placate, as long as BW show some signs that they are listening. 

Then there are some of us who fall into the "action speaks louder than words" camp and wouldn't buy into
BW's story or PR tactics until we can clearly see them taking concrete actions to make amends.

I really applaud how you guys are being such good customers.  I'm not happy with the product but instead of just holding the line patiently like so many of you  I'm just going to walk away from BW and do my best never to purchase any more products from them.  Maybe tell all my friends who are passionate about gaming not to buy it.

The only real way to get a big corporate to listen is to hit them where it really hurts.  Their pockets.

Modifié par Aurica, 22 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[Lil One]

@Souris  Honestly, I am glad for you that you liked the endings.  I have seen threads where people do like the ending, but I tend to not go into them since I have little to offer there.  Sorry if you find it all scary, I suppose some get too passionate about it (from both sides, I might add).

For me it is not just closure, though.  I loved the journey, but when the destination obliterates that journey, as I feel it, then something is very wrong.

Still, have an emergency induction port you too and don't be scared. :happy:

[Lightfox]

Namz89 wrote...

By the way...does anyone of you think that there still might be the possibility, that BW planned that all along? They planned something like the "Indoctrination Theory" as a PR action - so they can come out after some weeks with the "real" ending, saying - "Ah! Those of you who believed in the "fake" endings have been tricked - "indoctrinated" by us, the rEApers."?
After all interacting with players to that extend would be...totally new and impressive.

They just didn't count on the fans to be that passionate?

I don't know if they have planned this during developpement, but the more time is passing, the less it seems possible. What is clear is they didn't thought the ending could create that kind of movement and whatever their intention was, they're trapped.

If nothing was planned, they need time to see what to do next. Their business plan is in trouble. They obviously planned single and multiplayer DLC, but none of which fans are waiting for, now. If they want to please them, they'll need to produce new content almost from scratch (writing new events, creating new graphic assets, programing things, asking voice actors to record new dialogues, testing everything, etc, etc...).

If an ending DLC was planned, they can't obviously come and say "Okay, you're right, this isn't the real ending because we intended to sell it as a DLC... Would you kindly buy it, please ?". But if it was their initial intention, yes, they were counting on fans' passion.

[blurryhunter]

This might appear as back tracking on my part, but that isn't my intention.

I have, over the years, developed a habit (and one that has served me well) of seeing things from as many angles as possible. One of those angles implies that what we got was a ruse conclusion that BioWare intends to amend with a 'real' conclusion. Every day that passes, of course, means that the odds of such a thing are dwindling into obscurity, but there is that chance they'll come out and say something akin to having planned it all along, and there is, inside of that, the chance that they actually mean it.

Again, I'm seeing things from all angles. The good and the bad. It's just how I am.

[Fre3dom]

Souris wrote...

Livein wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this Jess. Majority people who liked ending are sitting silent? Seriously? EA/BW is all about money, if we were just a vocal minority as many media tries to present us, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Major sites (like IGN-orance) are worried to post poll about endings. I mean how stupid Colin M. must feel when their own poll of FB page showed him wrong. Only mainstream site that had a guts to ask people straight what they feel about this on frontpage was german Gamestar, and guess what, numbers are overwhelmy on our side.

That is why EA/BW said that all options are on the table. Not because they respect 'vocal minority' .

I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

First of all....man up! Terrified to post on a forum because the majority of people differ from your opinion? Really? 

Second there are threads of people who support and liked the original endings just go and look past the first 3 pages.

Thirdly, if you liked the endings why are you even posting in threads that are clearly against the endings. The biggest problem with people like you are that they whinge about the new DLC/people against the endings, you enjoyed YOUR endings now let the rest of us get OURS too! Don't get the DLC and everyone is a winner.

[Enichan]

So I was hoping to upload my play-by-play of Mass Effect 3's ending overnight to Youtube, but as usual the upload stalled. Does anyone know a decent, reliable way to upload videos to Youtube? I used to use Chrome and the Gears uploader, but I keep hearing rumours that it has/is being phased out and I'm not sure if it'll work anymore.

[superduperkoala]

Souris wrote...
I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

I honestly envy you that you can enjoy the ending and I am sorry that you feel threaten. However, people who enjoy the game can always vote in the anonymous poll. I understand that a voluntary survey will always have inherent bias, but I think it's quite clear we cannot be the vocal minority.

Also, I would like to add if the destination doesn't ruin my journey, then I am totally fine with it. However, I cannot accept my journey be torn apart by the destination. One of the major goal of gaming is to get to the end, find out what's the fate of your beloved characters, that's why the ending is important to us.

Modifié par superduperkoala, 22 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[Souris]

Fre3dom wrote...

Souris wrote...

Livein wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this Jess. Majority people who liked ending are sitting silent? Seriously? EA/BW is all about money, if we were just a vocal minority as many media tries to present us, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Major sites (like IGN-orance) are worried to post poll about endings. I mean how stupid Colin M. must feel when their own poll of FB page showed him wrong. Only mainstream site that had a guts to ask people straight what they feel about this on frontpage was german Gamestar, and guess what, numbers are overwhelmy on our side.

That is why EA/BW said that all options are on the table. Not because they respect 'vocal minority' .

I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

First of all....man up! Terrified to post on a forum because the majority of people differ from your opinion? Really? 

Second there are threads of people who support and liked the original endings just go and look past the first 3 pages.

Thirdly, if you liked the endings why are you even posting in threads that are clearly against the endings. The biggest problem with people like you are that they whinge about the new DLC/people against the endings, you enjoyed YOUR endings now let the rest of us get OURS too! Don't get the DLC and everyone is a winner.

I never once attacked people who don't like the endings, I in fact stated that I understood. I saw a post talking about how people who like the endings are silent and I responded to the question posed with the reason I remained silent, and you just proved exactly why. Resorting to personal attacks when I was nothing but positive in my post.

Also, you twisted my words, I never said it was because the majority of people differ from my opinion, I said it was because people tear you apart if you liked them.

I feel like you didn't even read my post. I will probably get the DLC if its released because I would like to see additional content, see more of what happens with my favorite characters. I stated that I didn't feel like the ending was perfect, but I enjoyed it. I come here and read threads about being dissatisfied because I was genuinely curious as to why. I poured over the Indoctrination Theory thread, and I think it is one of the coolest ideas out there, and frankly I hope BioWare DOES do it because I think it's neat.

[Dougremer]

I love you Jessica. Buy you lunch sometime?

[MDT1]

Livein wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this Jess. Majority people who liked ending are sitting silent? Seriously? EA/BW is all about money, if we were just a vocal minority as many media tries to present us, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Major sites (like IGN-orance) are worried to post poll about endings. I mean how stupid Colin M. must feel when their own poll of FB page showed him wrong. Only mainstream site that had a guts to ask people straight what they feel about this on frontpage was german Gamestar, and guess what, numbers are overwhelmy on our side.

That is why EA/BW said that all options are on the table. Not because they respect 'vocal minority' .

People here (but also IGN) always seem to missunderstand the term 'vocal minority'.

The terms origin is the fact, that in every consumerbase, most consumers are silent consumers, thus the silent majority.
This term originally doesn't give nor tries to give any conclusion if people like it or not.

Simple example:

Lets say you have a product that sold 100 times.
3 people like it, 97 don't like it, but on average only 10%-20% of the consumers will ever openly talk about it.
So lets say 15 people talk about it, 2 like it 13 don't.
So considering the consumerbase, in every aspect you can say the majority disliked it, but as only 15 talked its still true, that  the majority stayed silent.

In PR people often use this so the problem seems smaller as it is while they are still telling the truth, as they expect to be missunderstood. I emphasize that I don't say Bioware does this at the moment (any more).
In my opinion they acknowledged that action must be taken but need to elaborate a concept before they can announce something definit.

So even if Bioware would still use the term 'vocal minority', this would still mean they know our opinion is that of the majority, if it really is.

Modifié par MDT1, 22 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[BaKaNoOB]

Namz89 wrote...

By the way...does anyone of you think that there still might be the possibility, that BW planned that all along? They planned something like the "Indoctrination Theory" as a PR action - so they can come out after some weeks with the "real" ending, saying - "Ah! Those of you who believed in the "fake" endings have been tricked - "indoctrinated" by us, the rEApers."?
After all interacting with players to that extend would be...totally new and impressive.

They just didn't count on the fans to be that passionate?

I think it's quite possible
At least if i was good at english i could think of this... to make players feel what indocrination is and take big sh... for a while so then everyone to mention me (if i have this (endings beforehand for greater stun )) and at least if i menage to fool around (deceive players about ending) at the end of so great series it will be great. And it will be remembered so Players to pay closer looks on the things they do when they play So Great Series of games as ME.

For me Indocrination theory is quite right (but i admit i couldnt figure it out cause i didn't pay attention i just wanted to finish the game for first time and then as usual in segond replay i go deep into game)

PS.Bad English

PPS. And as i mentioned above for me it if i were BW would be great if some players menage to understand meanigs that i put in the endings  

Modifié par BaKaNoOB, 22 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Souris]

superduperkoala wrote...

Souris wrote...
I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

I honestly envy you that you can enjoy the ending and I am sorry that you free threaten. However, people who enjoy the game can always vote in the anonymous poll. I understand that a voluntary survey will always have inherent bias, but I think it's quite clear we cannot be the vocal minority.

I have actually voted in the poll, and I voted in favour of new/changed endings.

Why, you might ask?

Because from what I've seen on here, and spoken to my friends about, the vast majority of people dislike the ending, and if my one little vote can help get the closure that people want, and help towards an amiable rapport between BioWare and it's fanbase again, then I'll help.

[Kioux]

Souris wrote...

I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

First of all, I - like many others - are happy for you. I really am and in a way I envy you. I wish I could just sit back and say "Yeah, that was awesome" but I can't. I always have the interviews in the back of my head, that mention closure, answers and an epic ending to the story arc. That I didn't consider the ending epic is a personal an emotional "decision", I cannot help it. 
But anyway, I respect your opinion and even though I would love to see an alternate ending pack, I do so in a way that the "original ending....s" would be preserved for those that liked them. It would be unfair otherwise - but then again, DLC is optional.
As for the journey and the destination - I just think it is so sad that the journey is lovely, full of excitment and emotion and the destination is - not answering any questions, but presenting us with even more unkowns... (is that even a word? Is it countable?) I just wonder why both couldn't be... grand?! But anyway, there's no point in telling you what I dislike when you simply like it.

@Phoenix NL: I wonder the same thing about the people having so much hate. We've been insulted from day one, have been called whiners and cry-babies - and yet, actually reaching that level of unpleasent social interaction doesn't speak of a mature attitude itself.


*Edit*

Souris wrote... [...]
Because from what I've seen on here, and spoken to my friends about, the
vast majority of people dislike the ending, and if my one little vote
can help get the closure that people want, and help towards an amiable
rapport between BioWare and it's fanbase again, then I'll help.

That, ma'am, is grand! Thank you.

Modifié par Kioux, 22 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[superduperkoala]

Souris wrote...

I have actually voted in the poll, and I voted in favour of new/changed endings.

Why, you might ask?

Because from what I've seen on here, and spoken to my friends about, the vast majority of people dislike the ending, and if my one little vote can help get the closure that people want, and help towards an amiable rapport between BioWare and it's fanbase again, then I'll help.

Thanks for understanding. A few of my friends actually experienced physical discomfort after seeing the ending. You might think I am exaggerating, but I am being completely honest.
On a brighter note, this really shows how good the rest of the game is.:happy:

[Fulgrim88]

Souris wrote...
I have actually voted in the poll, and I voted in favour of new/changed endings.

Why, you might ask?

Because from what I've seen on here, and spoken to my friends about, the vast majority of people dislike the ending, and if my one little vote can help get the closure that people want, and help towards an amiable rapport between BioWare and it's fanbase again, then I'll help.

That is the single most awesome thing I've read in days.

Trying to help people feel better, even though you disagree with them takes some serious compassion.

I salute you sir

[Lil One]

I find it quite sad when people refuse to even try to see the other side, or fail to accept that someone else feel any different, resorting to slurs and whatnot. Regardless of which "side" they are on. "Side", because I feel we all thoroughly enjoyed the game (or at least enjoyed).

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Guys I have come up with a statement that I think shows where the Retake movement should go from here and i want to know if anyone else agrees with it.

Yesterday some people seem to think we had victory,we didn't that was just the end of phase one. We got the people at the highest levels of Bioware and EA to take notice of us but that was never the goal of the movement in and of it's self,now it is time to move on to phase two.

Bioware's statement shows that they still don't understand the problem was not that the endings were not long enough but that the outcomes of the endings did not reflect our choices or what our Shepards would have do. Just making those endings longer will not change that fact or the fact that every outcome is depressing.

We need to make sure bioware hears us that we want more endings that give us options and different outcomes not just extended versions of what we have now.

Making bioware hear us on this point is phase two of the retake movement and it will take just as much if not more work and self control. Here are things we should focus on in phase two.

1)continue to hold the line. Don't buy EA and Bioware stuff just because of this statement.

2)explain politely why the ending we have should not be the only endings. Do that here on the facebook page,and by sending emails and letter to bioware.

3)don't tell people we have won,we are a long way from winning. We don't even have the DLC and what Bioware is talking about right now does not fix the problems we have with the endings.

4)If bioware releases DLC that is just extened versions of the endings we have now boycott it. i know this will be hard to get people to do but please listen. If we boycott it that will send a clear message to Bioware and EA about what we really want. We want what they told us would be in the game in the first place not just more of the same and I am sure that if sales of the game and DLC do not go up right away after exteneded ending DLC is released then Bioware will have to start work on mor ending options which is what we have been working for in the first place.

I know it is hard to hold the line when so many people think we have victory but I ask you please hold the line for just a month or two more and I know we will get everything we have been working for. Thank you for all your hard work so far and thank you for continuing to hold the line.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.bioware.com/group/7102/

Thank you for your time.

[MeldarthX]

Souris wrote...

Livein wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this Jess. Majority people who liked ending are sitting silent? Seriously? EA/BW is all about money, if we were just a vocal minority as many media tries to present us, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Major sites (like IGN-orance) are worried to post poll about endings. I mean how stupid Colin M. must feel when their own poll of FB page showed him wrong. Only mainstream site that had a guts to ask people straight what they feel about this on frontpage was german Gamestar, and guess what, numbers are overwhelmy on our side.

That is why EA/BW said that all options are on the table. Not because they respect 'vocal minority' .

I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

Souris - I'm sorry you feel like that - honestly I'm glad you liked the ending.  For myself - I played my paragon through and to know I've killed more people - wiped out more races, planets and Reapers ever has; really ticks me off.

I could of taken those endings sort of - one if they were different and not color coded matching - I did actually play through all three......two - mass relays blowing up - enough said; three joker; LI Garrus running away - aka BSG ending.

It was literally a combine of Deus Ex machine  and BSG endings.....they could of done so much better.  Also they fact they straight out lied what they were doin for the ending.  That's my thoughts.  Please don't take them ripping on you - and I wish I could like the ending......

[MDT1]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Guys I have come up with a statement that I think shows where the Retake movement should go from here and i want to know if anyone else agrees with it.

Yesterday some people seem to think we had victory,we didn't that was just the end of phase one. We got the people at the highest levels of Bioware and EA to take notice of us but that was never the goal of the movement in and of it's self,now it is time to move on to phase two.

Bioware's statement shows that they still don't understand the problem was not that the endings were not long enough but that the outcomes of the endings did not reflect our choices or what our Shepards would have do. Just making those endings longer will not change that fact or the fact that every outcome is depressing.

We need to make sure bioware hears us that we want more endings that give us options and different outcomes not just extended versions of what we have now.

Making bioware hear us on this point is phase two of the retake movement and it will take just as much if not more work and self control. Here are things we should focus on in phase two.

1)continue to hold the line. Don't buy EA and Bioware stuff just because of this statement.

2)explain politely why the ending we have should not be the only endings. Do that here on the facebook page,and by sending emails and letter to bioware.

3)don't tell people we have won,we are a long way from winning. We don't even have the DLC and what Bioware is talking about right now does not fix the problems we have with the endings.

4)If bioware releases DLC that is just extened versions of the endings we have now boycott it. i know this will be hard to get people to do but please listen. If we boycott it that will send a clear message to Bioware and EA about what we really want. We want what they told us would be in the game in the first place not just more of the same and I am sure that if sales of the game and DLC do not go up right away after exteneded ending DLC is released then Bioware will have to start work on mor ending options which is what we have been working for in the first place.

I know it is hard to hold the line when so many people think we have victory but I ask you please hold the line for just a month or two more and I know we will get everything we have been working for. Thank you for all your hard work so far and thank you for continuing to hold the line.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.bioware.com/group/7102/

Thank you for your time.

To answer simply: No

The problem is, and I guess its also the problem Bioware is facing now, that, while people agree that the ending we got is crap, people don't agree on how to fix it.

I for one would be satisfied if they make the existing ending consistend (though honestly don't see how this could be done), give me a proper epiloge that shows how my decisions effect the rebuilding of the gallactic community and an apology/proper explanation for the missleading PR.

Modifié par MDT1, 22 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[Qareen]

I'm sure many others have done so already, but I just wanted to voice my appreciation to the OP Bachuck for regularly updating the front page of this thread. This is the main place I come for all the news and insights into the current situation, and the amount of civil discourse and compelling arguments put forth in this thread have been quite inspiring, and I'd find it impossible to follow without all the page 1 links.

[blurryhunter]

Fre3dom wrote...

Souris wrote...

Livein wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this Jess. Majority people who liked ending are sitting silent? Seriously? EA/BW is all about money, if we were just a vocal minority as many media tries to present us, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Major sites (like IGN-orance) are worried to post poll about endings. I mean how stupid Colin M. must feel when their own poll of FB page showed him wrong. Only mainstream site that had a guts to ask people straight what they feel about this on frontpage was german Gamestar, and guess what, numbers are overwhelmy on our side.

That is why EA/BW said that all options are on the table. Not because they respect 'vocal minority' .

I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

First of all....man up! Terrified to post on a forum because the majority of people differ from your opinion? Really? 

Second there are threads of people who support and liked the original endings just go and look past the first 3 pages.

Thirdly, if you liked the endings why are you even posting in threads that are clearly against the endings. The biggest problem with people like you are that they whinge about the new DLC/people against the endings, you enjoyed YOUR endings now let the rest of us get OURS too! Don't get the DLC and everyone is a winner.

@Fre3dom
No need for the aggression. This thread isn't labeled to exclude anyone, regardless of what side of the fence they want to stand on.

@Souris
As for being terrified, well, I can certainly see intimidation. If for no other reason then not knowing what to expect the moment you voice an option, especially if that one runs counter to what's currently getting discussed.

There's nothing wrong with liking the endings. I'll be the first to admit that the endings aren't bad in the sense that they were poorly created or the fact that it was a 'twist' and such. Or, for some, even the fact that Shepard died. It's the culmination that, upon closer look, it flew completely in the face of the game it was placed on (lore/Codex wise), and the creators of said game said the endings would contain much, much more variety and substance gleened over the course of the first two, and events of the third, games in the series.

I'm not asking that people accept what I believe, that BioWare screwed up, but that they at least accept that I have a valid opinion. That everyone here has one. And you more than exemplify that. The discussions might be weird for you, but as far as I'm concerned, you're welcome here. You don't grow as a community, or even as a cause, by living under the ideal that all must see things your way and those who don't are cast off as inconsequential.

[wolfeye7]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Guys I have come up with a statement that I think shows where the Retake movement should go from here and i want to know if anyone else agrees with it.

Yesterday some people seem to think we had victory,we didn't that was just the end of phase one. We got the people at the highest levels of Bioware and EA to take notice of us but that was never the goal of the movement in and of it's self,now it is time to move on to phase two.

Bioware's statement shows that they still don't understand the problem was not that the endings were not long enough but that the outcomes of the endings did not reflect our choices or what our Shepards would have do. Just making those endings longer will not change that fact or the fact that every outcome is depressing.

We need to make sure bioware hears us that we want more endings that give us options and different outcomes not just extended versions of what we have now.

Making bioware hear us on this point is phase two of the retake movement and it will take just as much if not more work and self control. Here are things we should focus on in phase two.

1)continue to hold the line. Don't buy EA and Bioware stuff just because of this statement.

2)explain politely why the ending we have should not be the only endings. Do that here on the facebook page,and by sending emails and letter to bioware.

3)don't tell people we have won,we are a long way from winning. We don't even have the DLC and what Bioware is talking about right now does not fix the problems we have with the endings.

4)If bioware releases DLC that is just extened versions of the endings we have now boycott it. i know this will be hard to get people to do but please listen. If we boycott it that will send a clear message to Bioware and EA about what we really want. We want what they told us would be in the game in the first place not just more of the same and I am sure that if sales of the game and DLC do not go up right away after exteneded ending DLC is released then Bioware will have to start work on mor ending options which is what we have been working for in the first place.

I know it is hard to hold the line when so many people think we have victory but I ask you please hold the line for just a month or two more and I know we will get everything we have been working for. Thank you for all your hard work so far and thank you for continuing to hold the line.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.bioware.com/group/7102/

Thank you for your time.

Agreed. No promise has been made by Bioware regarding our TRUE issues with the ending - plot holes, our choices throughout the series not mattering, the war assets we gathered meaning nothing and only getting one ending.

We have not won until we get a concrete promise and the DLC we are asking for has been delivered.

[Souris]

MeldarthX wrote...

Souris wrote...

Livein wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this Jess. Majority people who liked ending are sitting silent? Seriously? EA/BW is all about money, if we were just a vocal minority as many media tries to present us, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Major sites (like IGN-orance) are worried to post poll about endings. I mean how stupid Colin M. must feel when their own poll of FB page showed him wrong. Only mainstream site that had a guts to ask people straight what they feel about this on frontpage was german Gamestar, and guess what, numbers are overwhelmy on our side.

That is why EA/BW said that all options are on the table. Not because they respect 'vocal minority' .

I enjoyed the endings. Did I think they were perfect? No. But I enjoyed them. However, I am absolutely TERRIFIED to post my opinion on these forums because it gets ripped apart, and there are no threads about how people liked/didn't mind the endings probably because they feel the same way, or feel as if they're alone in their feelings.

Honestly, I'm here every day reading thread after thread of the dissent. I lurk, sometimes post, but it is kind of scary.

I can see how people would want more, or desire more closure. I think a lot of the divide is caused from two separate belief systems, where (possibly) the side that did not mind the endings values the journey more than the destination, and the side that dislikes the endings is vice versa.

Souris - I'm sorry you feel like that - honestly I'm glad you liked the ending.  For myself - I played my paragon through and to know I've killed more people - wiped out more races, planets and Reapers ever has; really ticks me off.

I could of taken those endings sort of - one if they were different and not color coded matching - I did actually play through all three......two - mass relays blowing up - enough said; three joker; LI Garrus running away - aka BSG ending.

It was literally a combine of Deus Ex machine  and BSG endings.....they could of done so much better.  Also they fact they straight out lied what they were doin for the ending.  That's my thoughts.  Please don't take them ripping on you - and I wish I could like the ending......

This is definitely not taken as ripping on me It's stating your opinion and I can respect that. It's when it degrades to personal attacks that I have a problem with it.

Fulgrim88 wrote...

That is the single most awesome thing I've read in days.

Trying to help people feel better, even though you disagree with them takes some serious compassion.

I salute you sir

Madam ;D
You're welcome! It's a hard thing to call you guys the "vocal minority" when everyone I know save myself and my boyfriend are incredibly unhappy with the ending.

[MeldarthX]

Chmar posted this in the other sub - so we can't get the ending we want.
OMG - I am litereally speechless.


dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.

i have gotten all of the other bioware rpg-type games such as the dragon age series and all of the downloadable content, and also the other mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 games along with all of the other DLC (some how 2 of the other dlc has NOT turned up on my account for mass effect 2).

i pre-ordered the collectors edtion of mass effect 3 because of 3 reasons which are listed here

1)- i have the other 2 games and dlc with them

2)- it is the final of the series (which has now been debunked due to patent and copyright registrations under the bioware / electronic arts name)

3)- the biggest reason by far on why i pre-ordered the game was based on the promises made by bioware staff in interviews guaranteeing things.

"As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly
different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters."
--Casey Hudson

"We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that..."
--Mike Gamble

"Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. Bioware will not do a 'Lost' and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game."
--Mike Gamble

"Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be."
--Dr. Ray Muzyka

"I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people."
--Mike Gamble

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”
--Casey Hudson

"[The presence of the rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."
--Mac Walters

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."
--Casey Hudson

"Of course you don’t have to play
multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in
single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and
same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing."
--Casey Hudson

"Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”
--Caseuy Hudson

these were printed in everything from newspapers, gaming magazines even in live interviews these promises were made.

it is these that we purchased mass effect.

i have also been lucky enough to work part time at CVG in the uk who got a preview version of mass effect 3 and due to an NDA i could not discuss what i had played and what i had seen.

i would want an answer to this, why was the prothean removed from the game and made into day-one DLC when the edtion we recived had it already part of the full version preview game on xbox360.

why was there a 3rd disc for the xbox version which was inacessable without a developer xbox360 console, once installed the disc used 7.4gig of space, that is 7.4 = disc 1, 7.0 gig = disc 2 and the 3rd was 7.4 = gig thats a total of 20.8 gig.

why was there weapons that were only avalible on pc and ps3 in the xbox360 version.

why was a lot of dialog's and cut scenes cut from the retail version and the biggest of all, why is there a lot of side missions removed, some of these side missions were really intresting, such as the asarii and human female who were having an affair, a side mission to either expose them to the human females husband and the assari's life partner, convincing the vol whos talking about sanctuary where you can convince them to go there or to avoid it.

and the one side mission that had me laughing was an interactive game of poker with james in dock with the refugee's, the dialog was funny and a breath of freshair, the other side mission was with the 2 c-sec guards outside purgatory.

the extended dialog narratives at the start, the extended council dialogs in the citidel, the extended dialog with anderson at the end was tear jerking and would have been pivotal.

so many cut-scenes and the extended battle scene when the "retake the earth" battle was movie grade kick ass, how often do you see a heavy damaged sword ship ramming a reaper while shooting its cannons then cut to inside where the camera pans round to show primark victus standing proud and injured shouting "if were going down, were taking these bastards with us" then it cuts to the outside where his ship impacts the reaper and explodes taking the reaper with it.

the normandy doing manuvers that is just pure unadultirated awesomness, joker going hell for leather, garrus in the cockpit on the weapons seat shooting the upgraded thanx cannons, the normandy taking a direct hit from the flying orbs and shakes it off due to the heavy upgraded kinetic shielding (which was exposed by talking to engineer adams),
tali literly ripping parts out of the walls to shut off plasma leaks.
liara using her shadow broker database to hack some of the orbs to fight for them.

the geth fleet taking a pounding and a geth prime standing n the bridge of a dreadnought screaming "FOR LEGION".

the extended battle scene should have been kept in as it would have made the endings have some meaning, also where did the 3rd option come in, the version CVG recived in january 2012 dident even have that option, even with maxed out war readyness, and when did multiplayer play be required to increase the war readyness, i know its a preview version but a single line of coding changed that in retail which i found was bizar and un-needed.

bioware if you removed the content which i have seen from the full game ONLY to sell it at a later date then this is by far the WORST EVER PR STUNT for DLC ever thought of.

not a single game company would remove and entire section of a NECESSARY INTEGRAL part of the game to sell later on.

thats like cutting the last 60 minutes of terminator 2 then telling people "oh yeah you need to pay more to see the ending which you wont see for 2 months"

this has been a PR nightmare for bioware and EA as this has actually effected the fiscal year profits due to the refunds from most of the well known outlets even from EA themself are giving refunds,

this has damaged the reputation of bioware and EA in a really bad way as the "retake mass effect" gains support due to the removal of integral missions and broken promises,

its gotten as far as raising $80,000 for the childs play charity which has gotten a LOT of positive support from stars and other game developers.

we have been called brats, attention ****s, greedy ****s and then be classed as needy spoiled brats by BIOWARE PR STAFF.

just because we are VERY vocal about what we feel about what we know is wrong only to be told "this is art".

as i said i have kept most information of what i have played / seen at CVG offices in the uk about mass effect 3 and the mystery 3rd disc has gotten me annoyied