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[wepeel_]

Samurai_Smartie wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Chmar posted this in the other sub - so we can't get the ending we want.
OMG - I am litereally speechless.


dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.[...snip]

He basically says their preview verion contained all we could possibly imagine and then it was CUT?
If thats true i'm at a loss of words.

Keep in mind there's no evidence for this yet, and with everything that's been going around, stories like that aren't hard to make up. We already had the alleged Patrick Weekes posts.

[seitani]

Bunzmaster wrote...

Razorsteel wrote...

I just spotted this:www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-makers-to-rewrite-soul-crushing-ending-for-furious-fans/

More PR bunk? Just looks like stuff taken out of context.

Our Choices Should Matter- Hold The Line

 Hmmmm....sounds llike Fox news jumped the gun there a bit. They're making it soundalot more definite then I thought it was.

wait so have bioware agreed to rewrite the ending

[Rulycar]

I was looking over the headlines this morning ...
... some good, some bad
... I left out neutral ones
... I included one comment from an article/blog to indicate the point being made
... I think they need a better set of adjectives

Headlines: 2012.03.22
BioWare finally gives in to the legions of whiny, entitled ‘Mass Effect 3′ dorks
-Guyism.com
Peeved Mass Effect 3 Fans Might Actually Get The Ending They Want
-consumerist.com
Mass Effect 3 ending fury sparks BioWare rethink
-crave.cnet.co.uk
'Mass Effect 3' makers to rewrite 'soul-crushing' ending for furious fans
-foxnews.com

Headlines: 2012.03.21
Hated the Mass Effect 3 Ending? Allow Me to Fix it
-unleashthefanboy.com
Rage over 'Mass Effect 3' ending gets answered
-msnbc.com
Video Games Shouldn't be afraid to mean something
-kotaku.com.au
BioWare might change Mass Effect 3 ending after fanbase fury
-actiontrip.com
Mass Effect 3 row prompts change to add 'further closure'
-bbc.co.uk
Unhappy ‘Mass Effect 3′ Fans Heard – BioWare Addressing Complaints with New Content
-ripten.com
Game Changer #58 – An Open Letter to Mass Effect Fans
... Mass Effect fans. I’m going to ask you to do one thing for me: GROW THE F*CK UP!
-panelsonpages.com

The consumers of this multibillion dollar a year video game industry hear you loud and clear.

Modifié par Rulycar, 22 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[LeoSpike]

Aha...Dr. Muzyka's statement yesterday just made the lightbulb over my head turn on.

Games are modular these days. For instance, anyone notice how seamlessly LotSB was weaved into ME2? Would it surprise anyone if BioWare/EA have a little spreadsheet with a company cost in hours and dollars for each module, then they decide how many modules go into the retail version so they make X profit on those modules, then hold the rest back for DLC so they can make sure everything they did for the game is saleable at X profit margin?

Think about it. They don't want to waste anything they developed. It all has to be saleable, either at release or later. Extra developer and VO, and artist hours work against the profit margin.

Advertising and post-release PR have a budget too. Wonder how much our unhappiness has burned through that budget? Me? Paranoid? You betcha.

[Leland Gaunt]

I don't know if this has been written somewhere (probably yes) but when yesterday I thought about the ending once more an idea came to my head. The end is based on Hegelian Dialectics: Thesis (organic life) opposite to antithesis (synthetic life). The name of the 3rd ending even is synthesis which ultimately is the goal in the mindframe of hegelian dialectics. It is inevitable that a clash between thesis and antithesis is going to take place and whatever survives that becomes the synthesis, the perfect melding between to opposites.
But even if this is true for the ending of ME 3 it still only makes sense if you view it as an isolated incident outside of the ME-universe. So while this can be the vastly mentioned "artistic vision" of the end (which makes sense by me) it still makes for an illogic and non-fitting end to ME because it isn' t some isolated inicident or theory which exists just in and for itself.

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic but the Hegelian Dialectics bit struck my mind so hard yesterday, I wanted to post it.

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 22 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[Chassthemighty]

Rulycar wrote...

I was looking over the headlines this morning ...
... some good, some bad
... I left out neutral ones
... I included one comment from an article/blog to indicate the point being made
... I think they need a better set of adjectives

Headlines: 2012.03.22
BioWare finally gives in to the legions of whiny, entitled ‘Mass Effect 3′ dorks
-Guyism.com
Peeved Mass Effect 3 Fans Might Actually Get The Ending They Want
-consumerist.com
Mass Effect 3 ending fury sparks BioWare rethink
-crave.cnet.co.uk
'Mass Effect 3' makers to rewrite 'soul-crushing' ending for furious fans
-foxnews.com

Headlines: 2012.03.21
Hated the Mass Effect 3 Ending? Allow Me to Fix it
-unleashthefanboy.com
Rage over 'Mass Effect 3' ending gets answered
-msnbc.com
Video Games Shouldn't be afraid to mean something
-kotaku.com.au
BioWare might change Mass Effect 3 ending after fanbase fury
-actiontrip.com
Mass Effect 3 row prompts change to add 'further closure'
-bbc.co.uk
Unhappy ‘Mass Effect 3′ Fans Heard – BioWare Addressing Complaints with New Content
-ripten.com
Game Changer #58 – An Open Letter to Mass Effect Fans
... Mass Effect fans. I’m going to ask you to do one thing for me: GROW THE F*CK UP!
-panelsonpages.com

The consumers of this multibillion dollar a year video game industry hear you loud and clear.

I really love some of those headlines there. "Grow up", "Whiny entitled". Don't worry though, people who don't agree with us. We're totally the immature ones in this exchange. Seriously. We have a 3 PM at the Chucky Cheese ball pin. Civility, it's a thing we should all practice.

[TheShinySword]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Chmar posted this in the other sub - so we can't get the ending we want.
OMG - I am litereally speechless.


dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.[...snip]

He basically says their preview verion contained all we could possibly imagine and then it was CUT?
If thats true i'm at a loss of words.

I'm very hesitant to believe this post. Mostly because it makes no sense. The described cut content has no logical reason to be cut, most of it does not seem to be things that could be reimplimented in DLC, nor are incomplete things cut for time reasons. 

Modifié par TheShinySword, 22 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[wantedman dan]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

Razorsteel wrote...

I just spotted this:www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-makers-to-rewrite-soul-crushing-ending-for-furious-fans/

More PR bunk? Just looks like stuff taken out of context.

Our Choices Should Matter- Hold The Line

Never, ever, EVER trust anything that comes out of Fox...n..."news" *twitch*

That's a very childish attitude denoting a severe form of ignorance.

Its Fox News. Mass Effect sex scandal much? Right wing agenda much?

It's childish to paint a news organization of having a particular agenda over a) one particular news item, the editorial direction of its indepentent opinion programming, which is exactly what you're doing.

[Luiginius]

If that what chmarr posted is true...nothing we've experienced so far will compare to the ****storm that will begin if there's evidence. I mean, it will result in people getting the boot within days.

This all if it indeed is true. You know, there is that audio clip that had joker dialog indicating he swooped down to pick up people from London.

Modifié par Luiginius, 22 mars 2012 - 02:44 .

[shephard987]

Good morning everyone.
Kansas City signing in here.
When I woke up, I did my usual routine of checking articles on the web about this situation.
I've found a few.
I would appreciate it if you visited these articles and commented
on them in a civil and well respected manner.
Here are the following.

http://www.foxnews.c...r-furious-fans/

http://www.rpgsite.n...ing-controversy

http://www.lazygamer...idiots-bioware/

If someone would also like to fill me in on what's been happening, I would appreciate it.
The last time I was here, not even 7 hours ago (I know, I don't sleep well these days...)
we were 50 some pages behind this one.

PLEASE GO TO THESE ARTICLES AND VOICE YOUR OPINION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
DON"T LET ACCUSATIONS WIN OVER REASON
Cheers everyone.
I'll be ghosting around here just so that I won't get on everyone's nerves.
Carry on.

EDIT

NEW ARTICLE

http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity/

PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE AS WELL

Modifié par shephard987, 22 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[chkchkchk]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Psythorn wrote...

We all share our dislike of the endings. But we do not share exactly the same goals. And this is something that could backfire. So we should struggle to refine our goals so all of us or at least a vast majority of us is able to agree upon or otherwise we could be split and the line will not hold...

I can see where you're coming from but tbh, I don't think we need a discussion like that.

It would only serve to divide the community over minor things, and weaken us as a whole.

I think that we should simply continue putting out our various reasons why the ending needs to be changed, comment on others, agree, disagree, elaborate and let Bioware figure out the rest by themselves.

This!  This!  This!  Regardless of my own personal fanfiction dreams, I want to see what Bioware comes up with.  They are a big team with lots of writers, and they no doubt each have their own ideas for how the ending should've gone.  Now those writers get a chance to get their ideas into potential ending/epilogue DLC.

[Fallenfromthesky]

Samurai_Smartie wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Chmar posted this in the other sub - so we can't get the ending we want.
OMG - I am litereally speechless.


dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.[...snip]

He basically says their preview verion contained all we could possibly imagine and then it was CUT?
If thats true i'm at a loss of words.

As much as want (and don't want) to believe this I'm holding out until we see more info from either Chamar or CVG or Bioware. But as we know at least some Anderson/Shepard dialogue was cut so this is at least plausable

[Utopianus]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

I don't know if this has been written somewhere (probably yes) but when yesterday I thought about the ending once more an idea came to my head. The end is based on Hegelian Dialectics: Thesis (organic life) opposite to antithesis (synthetic life). The name of the 3rd ending even is synthesis which ultimately is the goal in the mindframe of hegelian dialectics. It is inevitable that a clash between thesis and antithesis is going to take place and whatever survives that becomes the synthesis, the perfect melding between to opposites.
But even if this is true for the ending of ME 3 it still only makes sense if you view it as an isolated incident outside of the ME-universe. So while this can be the vastly mentioned "artistic vision" of the end (which makes sense by me) it still makes for an illogic and non-fitting end to ME because it isn' t some isolated inicident or theory which exists just in and for itself.

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic but the Hegelian Dialectics bit struck my mind so hard yesterday, I wanted to post it.

I'm all for deep-thinking, philosophical contemplate-our-navels in games, however this philosophical theme should have been established much earlier and be consistent throughout the game, and gameplay will have to sacrifice some of those explosions that distract us from thinking too deep. The way they have done it feels like it was slapped on at the end, thus the complaints of an abrupt, jarring and unsuitable ending. Again, this brings back to what I'm sure alot of people may have already said in the feeback section, it is not that the concept was bad, it was just poorly executed.

[-PG-Skyre]

Im about to go to bed, but before I do, I have to say this:
We have managed to get one of the largest gaming companies around to take a step back and re-evaluate (EA), we've managed to get the attention of most media networks and we've shown we arent afraid...we've done very well...but beyond that, we seem to overlook something even more amazing. Together, we've managed to come up with around $80,000US for a well deserving charity.

I, for one, am proud to be a Retake member. You should be too.

Hold the line.

[Windariah]

chkchkchk wrote...

[
This!  This!  This!  Regardless of my own personal fanfiction dreams, I want to see what Bioware comes up with.  They are a big team with lots of writers, and they no doubt each have their own ideas for how the ending should've gone.  Now those writers get a chance to get their ideas into potential ending/epilogue DLC.

I have avoided all the "My version of what happened" threads like the plague, other than indoctrination, which unfortunately I simply wasnt able to be avoided because it is every-freaking-where.  I really dont want someone else's canon to end up in my head as the perfect canon.  That is just setting myself up for disappointment when Bioware fixes this mess, and I have had enough disappointment with the endings.  I want to really give them the opportunity to fix this without a whole bunch of preconceptions of what should happen already in my head.  Do I have ideas?  Certainly.  I would rather not debate them at this point though.

Just my thoughts anyway.

[TF_FTW]

Bioware and Dr. Ray Muzyka still needs us to buy the next game that they will publish.They still need us to spread the good word about Bioware.  

Retake movement will last for years.  The fact that Retake managed to raise 75000 k for charity can't be throw away not matter how manny happy or lammented customers they have. It will never been forgoten. No matter how much Bioware wish it , we will never be forgoten.  

Regarding the 16 endings, that  people praise . They are entitled to be happy. Also i am entitled to completly disregardem, as there is no connection between the Mass Effect LORE and Galactic Readiness or at least i didn't peronally feel it as i felt  Saren's  story in ME 1 .

My personal view on the Retake Movement :

1)Retake movement would had not been possible if Bioware would say that there is going to be a ME4 that is picking up the story from ME3 , but since they announced ME franchise as trilogy,  hence the Retake Movement.

2) Retake Movement general message is this :" Bioware, you sort of rushed the ending for ME3 ! 95% of ME3 is STELLAR but the last 10 minutes are not up to the rest of the game. We your most devoted fans, want you to review your work and strive for better , but only if you want to !"  The outrage is more generetated by the fact one of my favorite game studio's is starting to walk a path that I CAN'T  follow ! I don't want Bioware to loose anything, on the contraty i want Bioware to fluorish .  I belive togheter  with Retake Mass Effect movement Bioware can make things better for all fans of Mass Effect . Well i personally wish that . 

3). I belive that most of the Retake Movement members love QUALITY over Quantity . Bioware and theyre work,  up to DA2 was following that.  Combine that with Bioware statement about Mass Effect : its a trilogy, we kinda feel empthy with the ME3 finale ! Hence our actions . 


Anyway, HOLDING THE LINE 

[MDT1]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Chmar posted this in the other sub - so we can't get the ending we want.
OMG - I am litereally speechless.


dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.[...snip]

He basically says their preview verion contained all we could possibly imagine and then it was CUT?
If thats true i'm at a loss of words.

THIS is very sad. If you look at the final state of the game and take into account what EA's CEO said it all seems clear...

If Bioware had additional content available we would have it by now.
They would have told us something about a plan to surprise us and that they are sorry that it worked out so bad.
Do you honestly think Bioware enjoys the ****storm right now?

People should try to be less paranoid.

It could be a hoax. It could also be that Bioware and EA deliberately held back parts of the game to sell to us later. EA have been vocal about 'ongoing payments' for years, and they are pretty much trying to slowly convert every property they own into subscription services.

Yes, but what do they gain by holding it back now, wouldn't it still be more reasonable to lie release it and always say it was a planned patch one week ago?

Modifié par MDT1, 22 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Fulgrim88]

shephard987 wrote...

Good morning everyone.
Kansas City signing in here.
When I woke up, I did my usual routine of checking articles on the web about this situation.
I've found a few.
I would appreciate it if you visited these articles and commented
on them in a civil and well respected manner.
Here are the following.

http://www.foxnews.c...r-furious-fans/

http://www.rpgsite.n...ing-controversy

http://www.lazygamer...idiots-bioware/

If someone would also like to fill me in on what's been happening, I would appreciate it.
The last time I was here, not even 7 hours ago (I know, I don't sleep well these days...)
we were 50 some pages behind this one.

PLEASE GO TO THESE ARTICLES AND VOICE YOUR OPINION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
DON"T LET ACCUSATIONS WIN OVER REASON
Cheers everyone.
I'll be ghosting around here just so that I won't get on everyone's nerves.
Carry on.

EDIT

NEW ARTICLE

http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity/

PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE AS WELL

done and done

[shephard987]

Gamespot Opposition

http://www.gamespot....hanges-6367380/

Voice your discontent
with
Civility and Respect

Show them we're not whiny babies looking for their mama.
Or whatever other crap they think about us. I lost track...

PROVE THEM WRONG

Hold the Line

[rithufung]

i am just a normal gamer like all of you.

For many years of playing PC game, i grown up from a pirate game player, to a player know to respect game developer, because when i play Dragon age origin, dead space and so many other games, i find out that many game developer really put effort to it, so i learn to respect their hard work and bought the product for those game i love (even i already play that before......)

and many game still keep me amazing, like Witcher 2, Dead space 2; also so many not as good as we think, like Dragon age 2. but i don't think bad game content mean you can pirate it. however i always being upset about DLC concept, i mean it's not like game expansion in old times anymore, DLC is nothing more from new weapon, maps (which some of them only modified old map, like dragon age 2...) etc.

And recently some rumor tell me these so-called DLC, very likely something cut from origin game experience and sold to us, like Dragon age 2 and mass effect 2 new NPC, and now maybe Mass Effect 3's true ending. I mean, if you want to buy something, you should expect what-you-see-is-what-you-get, not some incomplete content and tell you "hey, you want to feel the full game experience? keep paying us and we will see." no matter being a customer or a loyal gamer, i feel played by the game developer. is it really the way to earn money? or is it a revenge against my pirate gaming time?

I know i am wrong being pirating game before, but doesn't mean i can't grow up and learn to respect; making profit is important, but doesn't mean you have to do it in every possible way. I am from Hong Kong, I WILL hold the line.

[Dranume]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Im about to go to bed, but before I do, I have to say this:
We have managed to get one of the largest gaming companies around to take a step back and re-evaluate (EA), we've managed to get the attention of most media networks and we've shown we arent afraid...we've done very well...but beyond that, we seem to overlook something even more amazing. Together, we've managed to come up with around $80,000US for a well deserving charity.

I, for one, am proud to be a Retake member. You should be too.

Hold the line.

This sums it all up.. and yea, despite what happens with the movement, in the end win or loose, it is the Kids of the Charity that are the real winners.

[cApAc aMaRu]

wantedman dan wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

Razorsteel wrote...

I just spotted this:www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-makers-to-rewrite-soul-crushing-ending-for-furious-fans/

More PR bunk? Just looks like stuff taken out of context.

Our Choices Should Matter- Hold The Line

Never, ever, EVER trust anything that comes out of Fox...n..."news" *twitch*

That's a very childish attitude denoting a severe form of ignorance.

Its Fox News. Mass Effect sex scandal much? Right wing agenda much?

It's childish to paint a news organization of having a particular agenda over a) one particular news item, the editorial direction of its indepentent opinion programming, which is exactly what you're doing.

I think you'll find editorial direction is EXACTLY how you paint a news organization. In this case with the right-wing sensationalism brush.

[Phoenix NL]

chkchkchk wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Psythorn wrote...

We all share our dislike of the endings. But we do not share exactly the same goals. And this is something that could backfire. So we should struggle to refine our goals so all of us or at least a vast majority of us is able to agree upon or otherwise we could be split and the line will not hold...

I can see where you're coming from but tbh, I don't think we need a discussion like that.

It would only serve to divide the community over minor things, and weaken us as a whole.

I think that we should simply continue putting out our various reasons why the ending needs to be changed, comment on others, agree, disagree, elaborate and let Bioware figure out the rest by themselves.

This!  This!  This!  Regardless of my own personal fanfiction dreams, I want to see what Bioware comes up with.  They are a big team with lots of writers, and they no doubt each have their own ideas for how the ending should've gone.  Now those writers get a chance to get their ideas into potential ending/epilogue DLC.

I think the vast majority of us know that we're not going to be given the exact ideal ending that we have in our heads. This doesn't mean that Bioware can't provide an ending that will give us all a more satisfactory ending that we would be happy with.

[Leland Gaunt]

Utopianus wrote...
I'm all for deep-thinking, philosophical contemplate-our-navels in games, however this philosophical theme should have been established much earlier and be consistent throughout the game, and gameplay will have to sacrifice some of those explosions that distract us from thinking too deep. The way they have done it feels like it was slapped on at the end, thus the complaints of an abrupt, jarring and unsuitable ending. Again, this brings back to what I'm sure alot of people may have already said in the feeback section, it is not that the concept was bad, it was just poorly executed.

Yes, exactly. While in itself it would be logic and make sense it doesn't make sense in the ME universe, at least not without being established much earlier in the saga. I didn't post it thay express how great I think the ending is (as you said it's poorly executed) but just to express a thought that struck my mind. Still I'm not happy with how the ending fits (or doesn't fit) into the ME universe.

[Lightfox]

MDT1 wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Chmar posted this in the other sub - so we can't get the ending we want.
OMG - I am litereally speechless.


dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.[...snip]

He basically says their preview verion contained all we could possibly imagine and then it was CUT?
If thats true i'm at a loss of words.

THIS is very sad. If you look at the final state of the game and take into account what EA's CEO said it all seems clear...

If Bioware had additional content available we would have it by now.
They would have told us something about a plan to surprise us and that they are sorry that it worked out so bad.
Do you honestly think Bioware enjoys the ****storm right now?

People should try to be less paranoid.

Not necessarily. Bioware doesn't like the actual storm, no doubt about it, but they can't afford a storm far worse than that.

If what Chmarr is saying is true (and we don't have a single clue it is), he's not talking about a content that could be created in two weeks, everyone can understand that.

At the moment, a lot of people are defending Bioware's position. Their main argument is that the ending should remain as it is because it's Bioware's choice. Now, imagine what will happen if Bioware comes out and say "the actual ending is not the real one, and we planned that before the release". It's like saying "yes, fans are right from the beginning". The main argument of those people would fall dead.

Even worse, those people would probably feel betrayed and turn angry on Bioware. And I'm not even speaking about the media coverage.

But we have to remember that it's just speculation for now.

Modifié par Lightfox, 22 mars 2012 - 03:18 .