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[Vap0ur_Snake]

Checking in. Later than usual as I had a job interview. What's going down at the line today then?

[GamerByt3]

Hello BSN, greetings, pleased to meet you!
I have been a studious self-appointed lurker on this thread for several days, nearly a week, in fact, as I struggled to catch up. I am honored to join your ranks. *bows formally*
I am yet another of the people who LOVED the entire series of games, the third in particular--right up until the Crucible didn't work/the "heaven elevator" moment. From there on, I experienced a sick feeling of frustration and confusion that only grew as the minutes and the plot holes wore on.
While I believe the ending doesn't make sense at all UNLESS viewed under the lens of the Indoctrination Theory, I am fundamentally opposed to that idea since it would mean--if it proved to be true--that Bioware intentionally released an unfinished product.
HOWEVER, the Indoctrination Theory idea AT LEAST gives me hope that there is more of the story of ME3 to come, and the nauseating gut-punch of a rip-off ending really DID mean something (despite all evidence to the contrary.) It is truly sad that the only way to make sense of the ending of such an otherwise well-made and brilliantly executed game is to play the old cliched "it was all a dream" card. THAT is why I joined this movement, THAT is why I, loyal since the beginning of this series and loving *almost* every second of it, will continue to HOLD THE LINE.
This story deserves far, FAR better than it got, Bioware. We deserve more, Shepard deserves more, and you yourselves; you KNOW you can do better. Keep your promises. Give us the REAL ending, because the one we have now is an affront to all this otherwise brilliant saga has stood for since the beginning.
As someone said earlier, these are our grievances; 1. the plot holes 2. our choices not mattering and 3. there really being only ONE ending (despite explicit promises to the contrary, in the cases of grievances 2 and 3.).
I offer my support and my company for as long as it takes.

[rfrombrazil]

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now, i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free are in order. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

edit for spellz and because i ate up whole 3 words.

Modifié par rfrombrazil, 22 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[MeldarthX]

http://www.forbes.co...mpaign=20120322

[Syrellaris]

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

[Ultra Prism]

The way the trilogy ended with lack of closure or resolution ... feels more like end of franchise, I really don't want go back ME1 and play till ME3 ... it was disappointing ending after all, our choices - we have no idea what impact it had on galaxy ... endings dont relate to our choices or stupid EMS points

[MeldarthX]

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

Again what is Casey going to to say........its true?  It would seriously add fuel to the fire - He's going to deny - BW will deny - this is standard PR.......

I'm not saying its true or not - just food for though......  I'll expand on what I mean - I've worked on projects with several writers; not only in college but outside.

You can easily tell - when things are hashed out in group works to someone just taking control and writing something without any other input.

The ending screams of this while the rest of the game's writing is much more polised.....

Modifié par MeldarthX, 22 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[Nightfire78]

Bachuck wrote...

Luiginius wrote...

 Something to lighten the mood:
edit, wrong link 
www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/22/is-bioware-setting-a-dangerous-precedent-by-considering-alternative-endings/

Thank you!

Everyone read this new Forbes article. It beautifully exposes the hypocrisy of a certain IGN editor.

*Adds to OP*

LOL... that is just too much. I guess whether or not it's good for a company to listen to it's fans is company specific? Or just dependent on whether certain people were amongst those wanting the change? Or maybe the people drawing the figures aren't "proper" artists and don't deserve to have integrity?

I'm torn between a facepalm and a slow clap.

But I am very glad that there are still objective journalists out there who not only check their facts but even dare to call people out on their hypocrisy or lack of fact checking. Kudos to Erik Kain.

Hold the line!

[MDT1]

Utopianus wrote...

We don't know for certain if the ending was a result of rushing to meet deadlines - I don't think anyone other than BioWare's developers would know, and I don't think we'll ever know, as admitting to rushing to meet a deadline, producing a product of lesser quality than originally planned, and then selling that as a fully completed product of AAA quality, will not make them look good and will attract more controversy than already is.

As for the ending might make more sense if we the non-developers were involved in the game's development, that would definitely be true, however, what's important is for the ending to make sense to the customers, as they are the end users for the product which the development team has created. If the ending only makes sense to those who developed it and no one else, then the whole point of developing that ending is moot - you don't produce a product your customers cannot use, and in this case using the product includes understanding and make sense of the ending.

The part about the involvemnt was meant to explain how a mess at this scale could "slip" the doublechecking.
People often argue the developers couldn't have made that many mistakes without noticing it.

[MeldarthX]

Nightfire78 wrote...

Bachuck wrote...

Luiginius wrote...

 Something to lighten the mood:
edit, wrong link 
www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/22/is-bioware-setting-a-dangerous-precedent-by-considering-alternative-endings/

Thank you!

Everyone read this new Forbes article. It beautifully exposes the hypocrisy of a certain IGN editor.

*Adds to OP*

LOL... that is just too much. I guess whether or not it's good for a company to listen to it's fans is company specific? Or just dependent on whether certain people were amongst those wanting the change? Or maybe the people drawing the figures aren't "proper" artists and don't deserve to have integrity?

I'm torn between a facepalm and a slow clap.

But I am very glad that there are still objective journalists out there who not only check their facts but even dare to call people out on their hypocrisy or lack of fact checking. Kudos to Erik Kain.

Hold the line!

I posted a thank to Erik between him and the other guy at forges.......they're coverage has been amazing for us.  I honestly think its because of their articles we've has a lot more sway and mainstream news has taken a better look at us.  


HOLD THE LINE

[Syrellaris]

MeldarthX wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

Again what is Casey going to to say........its true?  It would seriously add fuel to the fire - He's going to deny - BW will deny - this is standard PR.......

I'm not saying its true or not - just food for though......  I'll expand on what I mean - I've worked on projects with several writers; not only in college but outside.

You can easily tell - when things are hashed out in group works to someone just taking control and writing something without any other input.

The ending screams of this while the rest of the game's writing is much more polised.....

Again you are over reacting. Just because you are mad about the ending does not mean everything they say is not true. Seriously...

[Qwd666]

Xellith wrote...

TAKE THIS WITH TONNES OF SALT AND NOT JUST A PINCH

Could this all be the biggest PR stunt in gaming history?

Im a member of the RetakeME3 camp. I have been trying to go through all the information that the playerbase has actually accumilated. Its a lot of data to go through - ranging from Bioware staff comments to stuff that groups of individuals like you and I have put together.

Now - I am a proponent of the Indoctrination theory. I believe there are way too many things going on for it to be a coincidence. Let us asume for a second that the indoctrination theory is in fact correct. We do not know it is or not. But let us asume that it is indeed correct.

Did Bioware release Mass Effect 3 with the ending INTENTIONALLY removed from the game with the intent to try and immerse the playerbase into a story more than anyone else has ever attempted? Just take a step back a second. Take a breath. Is it indeed possible that Bioware itself is in reality indoctrinating all us gamers right now? We either accept what we see before us - or we call bull****. Those who are indoctrinated i.e people who accept the game for what they see - those who are fighting indoctrination people mostly comprised of the Retake movement.

But what is that isnt the end? What if we are being put in real life in the exact same situation that Shepard is in. We can either choose to believe whatever we see. Or we can fight the indoctrination by refusing to accept any of those choices given to us.

I know this is all just wishful thinking. But Bioware have hinted that there is more to come.. im not sure exactly what to make of it all anymore. Is my feeling like this being conflicted with accepting what we have been given or holding onto hope more indoctrination from Bioware? or is it again just wishful thinking?

To make sure that a good many number of people were indoctrinated into this sceme they would need to make sure that the knowledge that you were indoctrinated wouldnt ever get out. People just wouldnt be able to be emersed in the story if they knew beforehand from people talking about it.

Could this very well be the biggest stunt in gaming history? Could Bioware be immersing its entire playerbase in the story for a climactic finale? Are they going to release a DLC where we wake up to our choices?

Is any of this even true? I hope it is. Flying Spaghetti monster help us if its not. If this is pulled off - just think of how many broken hearted gamers are going to be all "oh.. my... god.. /mindblown". They would gain so much credability. Fans and non fans alike will be talking about it for years.

This one event could go down as one of the greatest feats in videogame history if Bioware are doing what I hope they are doing.

Additional 1:
If they are doing what I think they are doing then this is just the biggest publicity stunt EVER. Think of how many newspapers/media outlets/websites are talking about ME3 right now that arnt even gamer sites. Think of how many millions upon millions will be effected and witness it.

www.holdtheline.co/threads/real-life-indoctrination-by-bioware.30/

(Or am I really just giving Bioware too much credit?)

I realy HOPE that's what happening right now, but as many others, I dont realy think that is... However, it would be mindblowing. But after what happened I'm not even sure people would beleive if BW claimed they wanted all this. There are too many people already talking about how BW could use these theories "made by fans".

But whatever the truth is, I just want to see something like that, not something We've got.....

[rfrombrazil]

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

so, fake, even the picture? I mean, i understand bioware saying its fake then the whole thread being gone in PA forums, but just saying fake isn't enough. bioware also said that From Ashes was entirely NEW content and we made them backtrack that statement with proof. Chris only said this one was fake.  The account in question is well known to be Patrich's

can you find me some proof of the fake while i go digging? =)

PS: sorry if this is hard to read, but i have a glarind headache today and i can't think too straight. edited for clarity.

Modifié par rfrombrazil, 22 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[cApAc aMaRu]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

I'll just leave this here because it's relevant. (Edit: Link fixed)

This is awesome.

[Utopianus]

MDT1 wrote...

Utopianus wrote...

We don't know for certain if the ending was a result of rushing to meet deadlines - I don't think anyone other than BioWare's developers would know, and I don't think we'll ever know, as admitting to rushing to meet a deadline, producing a product of lesser quality than originally planned, and then selling that as a fully completed product of AAA quality, will not make them look good and will attract more controversy than already is.

As for the ending might make more sense if we the non-developers were involved in the game's development, that would definitely be true, however, what's important is for the ending to make sense to the customers, as they are the end users for the product which the development team has created. If the ending only makes sense to those who developed it and no one else, then the whole point of developing that ending is moot - you don't produce a product your customers cannot use, and in this case using the product includes understanding and make sense of the ending.

The part about the involvemnt was meant to explain how a mess at this scale could "slip" the doublechecking.
People often argue the developers couldn't have made that many mistakes without noticing it.

Oh, then you must've missed earlier discussions in the thread about this issue - the psychology term "Group Think" was used by a few to describe it. Basically what it means is that when a closed-group of people get
together to brainstorm and develop ideas, they can make a decision that all think are excellent but those outside of this group will spot the weaknesses. It is possible that this happened at BioWare, as it can be assumed that only the writers will be doing the writing and double-checking each other's work, probably with very little or no input from other staffers such as programmers and animators. Even if input were sought or given to the other staff members, it is unlikely they will be given the whole thing, thus an oversight on the weakness of the ending could still happen.

EDIT: reformatted
EDIT 2: further formatting

Modifié par Utopianus, 22 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[cApAc aMaRu]

Utopianus wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Utopianus wrote...

We don't know for certain if the ending was a result of rushing to meet deadlines - I don't think anyone other than BioWare's developers would know, and I don't think we'll ever know, as admitting to rushing to meet a deadline, producing a product of lesser quality than originally planned, and then selling that as a fully completed product of AAA quality, will not make them look good and will attract more controversy than already is.

As for the ending might make more sense if we the non-developers were involved in the game's development, that would definitely be true, however, what's important is for the ending to make sense to the customers, as they are the end users for the product which the development team has created. If the ending only makes sense to those who developed it and no one else, then the whole point of developing that ending is moot - you don't produce a product your customers cannot use, and in this case using the product includes understanding and make sense of the ending.

The part about the involvemnt was meant to explain how a mess at this scale could "slip" the doublechecking.
People often argue the developers couldn't have made that many mistakes without noticing it.

Oh, then you must've missed earlier discussions in the thread about this
issue - the psychology term "Group Think" was used by a few to describe
it. Basically what it means is that when a closed-group of people get
together to brainstorm and develop ideas, they can make a decision that
all think are excellent but those outside of this group will spot the
weaknesses. It is possible that this happened at BioWare, as it can be
assumed that only the writers will be doing the writing and
double-checking each other's work, probably with very little or no input
from other staffers such as programmers and animators. Even if input
were sought or given to the other staff members, it is unlikely they
will be given the whole thing, thus an oversight on the weakness of the
ending could still happen.

EDIT: reformatted

I think they just lost the pages of the design document that said anything about player choice.

[Aznable Char]

Bachuk , I propose that we further organize and coordinate our resources . I would suggest since this thread already contains on its first page a rather impressive collection of previous articles that we designate this thread (perhaps rename it appropriately to add certain elements as well?) as our main repository for all articles and other media sources that we have collected and will continue to collect thus far under your curatorship .

Those of us who find threads out there will report them in here for your organization into the first post and perhaps we could start condensing/organizing the first post into categories , Mandatory articles , etc ? This will greatly help centralize the resources for anyone who wishes to see the groundswell of good literature for those who wish for a better ending , for those who wish to understand why we ask for a better ending , and for those who wish to for a new ending but are afraid they might be wrong for wishing such a thing .

[Syrellaris]

rfrombrazil wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

so, fake, even the picture? I mean, i understand bioware saying its fake then the whole thread being gone in PA forums, but just saying fake isn't enough. bioware also said that From Ashes was entirely NEW content and we made them backtrack that statement with proof. Chris only said this one was fake.  The account in question is well known to be Patrich's

can you find me some proof of the fake while i go digging? =)

PS: sorry if this is hard to read, but i have a glarind headache today and i can't think too straight. edited for clarity.

Well yesterday the entire topic had an opening post, I don't know why the OP deleted it.

There is a misconception regarding the from ashes DLC though, that is to be exact that fans thought it would be Developed after the original game was done, while in fact it was developed by a different team, during the last stages of the main games development.  The only thing on the disc is the prothean(yavik) character.  Not the actuall content around it.  The content one had to download was NEW, just not very interesting haha.

as far as the truth goes, I believe Patrick saying he did not write it should be enough.

Edit: 

I missed the picture. I can't confirm the picture is fake or not. I can't remember if it was part of the posters original post before he or she deleted it. Regardless I am not a Penny Arcade member either, nor will I ever be (I don't like penny arcade)

Modifié par Syrellaris, 22 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Ytook]

This has probably been posted before but I would check their poll of the day out, we aren't doing so well: http://www.gamefaqs.com/

[Vap0ur_Snake]

Just read what that guy who worked part time for Computer and Video Games in the UK wrote. That's some really shocking sh**.

Do you guys think they're gonna use the footage that was cut?

Also, do you think they intentionally cut it to release as a DLC or whether they did it to save time and money? The answer is probably both of the above in my honest opinion.

[Jamie9]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Checking in. Later than usual as I had a job interview. What's going down at the line today then?

Everything's much calmer than yeterday, thankfully. The line is holding well. I wonder, do we still have the same amount of people as before that comment by Ray? It doesn't feel like we lost anyone.

PS. Your change of avatar managed to scare the crap of me. Good job.

Our choices should matter - Hold the Line

[MeldarthX]

Syrellaris wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

Again what is Casey going to to say........its true?  It would seriously add fuel to the fire - He's going to deny - BW will deny - this is standard PR.......

I'm not saying its true or not - just food for though......  I'll expand on what I mean - I've worked on projects with several writers; not only in college but outside.

You can easily tell - when things are hashed out in group works to someone just taking control and writing something without any other input.

The ending screams of this while the rest of the game's writing is much more polised.....

Again you are over reacting. Just because you are mad about the ending does not mean everything they say is not true. Seriously...

Actually I'm not over reacting - I'm giving honest opinion on what I've delt with in the business world and what I've spoken with my dad who was a CFO - VP - aka second in command of a fortune 500 company.  He's said; any bad PR that puts the companies decisions in a bad light before release will be denied........Period.....

If proof later on comes out they are lieing - Then there will be job loses - appologies etc.   This is business - they want this to go away as soon as possible with spending as little amount of money to make it go away.....

Period - This is what needs to be remember.....


HOLD THE LINE

[Kioux]

Just a thought from my side - while I do respect and support critical thinking and even a healthy portion of skepticism - to doubt every single word not for its content but simply because it was a Bioware employee uttering it - is not healthy.
I am not saying believe everything but doubting it for doubts sake... I don't know. And seriously, while there are still many questions unanswered and still many doubt and fears present, we should continue a friendly and tolerant discussion - and yes, maybe simply wait until April to see what is actually going on.

We should at least give them a chance to present whatever they may or may not have planned for us before we accuse everyone and -thing Bioware of lies and conspiracy. Was there PR work - yes, I even as a non-PR-experienced average gamer I believe there has been - but not everything was.
So, take a breath people - do a little something else and come back with a clearer head. I like this thread, I support it but even for me some of the accusations based on "but-it-could-be"s seems to be a bit much. Just my personal observation and opinion.

Modifié par Kioux, 22 mars 2012 - 05:04 .

[Wayhawk]

AloraKast wrote...

*pants* There is just no way to keep up... heck, even attempt to catch up on this thread. But attempting to do so nonetheless.

As I've been trying to follow the discussion over the last day or so, something's been bothering me that I'd very much like your input on, perhaps help me understand.

Folks have been getting increasingly frustrated at the lack of communication from Bioware with respect to the ending "displeasure" and any information as to how this is being handled behind closed doors... basically what's being done, if anything, to address fan discontent.

But then when someone from Bioware (again, whether on that official or personal level) attempts to communicate with us, folks simply dismiss any and all attemps as pure PR smokescreen, effectively sticking fingers in their ears and going "La la la, can't hear you!"

WHY? Because they are not saying EXACTLY what we want to hear? Because we've become these terribly paranoid boosh'tet that anything and everything coming from ANYONE associated with Bioware has GOT to be just another way they want to screw us over?



I realize that the resereve, even distrust, born out of the game as it was presented to us pre-release and the game we got being two different things has caused people to be skeptical, loose faith in Bioware and I can understand some level of wariness (and of course, we should be, some measure of guardidness is a sound strategy here, especially in light of the above). What I don't understand are the extremes that this is being taken to.

I have yet to catch up on some of the reaction to Ray's statement, but I have read his blog and, while reading it with some degree of caution, I'd also like to think he's being honest in his statement, or at least as honest as possible while still trying to allay people's fears, attempt to calm the situation... and yes, attempt some PR damage control as well. So while being somewhat cautious when taking in Ray's statement, I'm also willing to accept it and keep an open mind for the future.

But Ray's statement is more of the "official" nature. So let's consider Jessica's posts and her interaction, even in this thread alone (3 AM? Really Jessica, you should take better case of yourself, it's not healthy and sleep/a break is your friend - especially when emotions start running high - that goes for everyone, btw). I was actually quite surprised at some of the reaction to Jessica's attempts at communicating with the fanbase where it was dismissed right out of hand as more PR smokescreen or a diversionary tactic.

Personally I don't care whether my boss is paying me hourly, double overtime or whatever, there's just no frikken way that I'm up in the middle of the frikken night working my butt of, not happening, I'm sleeping, go away! Well, unless I'm up playing a game or reading a really good book that I just can't put down... but working? Pfffffft! But really, that's beside the point.

What I'm getting at is this; I keep seeing people wanting for Bioware to just come and TALK to us like normal people. But when they attempt JUST THAT, they are met with distrust, dismissal, even anger and are accused of every word out of their mouths being a total lie. People on these boards are frustrated because there's no decisive and definite answer to the grevances with respect to the ending mess. And I am sure that the folks at Bioware who've attempted normal communication with the fan base, just for it to be dismissed as smoke and mirrors, are equally frustrated.

Even when Chris comes on these boards to state that he's asked Patrick about the supposed statement that's been attributed to Patrick on the internet and advises us Patrick didn't write it, some people still refuse to believe Chris, saying that because he works for Bioware, we can't trust him. Way to call the guy a liar. I am sure Patrick feels bad about the whole thing, even though he didn't have anything to do with it. And I can only imagine how Chris feels... Damn, I sure as hell couldn't do his job.

I am very curious to hear from atghunter and anyone else on this and just how much of a PR campaign/damage control is going on here. Yes, I am sure there is PR involved in some of the Bioware interaction with the community, especially now, in light of the rather vocal and newsworthy fan dissatisfaction. But do we view anything and everything as pure PR smoke and mirrors and dismiss everything because it's not exactly what we want to hear or we have yet to hear something concrete? Where do you draw the line? Some measure of wariness is called for here and rather healthy... but at what point is it being taken to ridiculous heights?

Look, I am a supporter of the Indoctrination Theory because it makes sense and even have one or two conspiracy theories bouncing around in my brain. I suppose it's only natural for people trying to make sense where there is very little of it, of attempting to bring order to chaos. I have questions that I would love to have answered... heck, better yet that I could see and experience for myself, while staying true to the themes established in the Mass Effect universe (the theme of sacrifice is being focussed on, but why is the possibility of triumph over insurmountable odds being ignored?). But where do we draw the line between taking everything with a grain of salt, some measure of skepticism and being totally and utterly paranoid?

A little (or a wee bit more) skepticism is healthy. It's on Bioware now to try and win back the trust and support of the fans. If and how they do so remains to be seen. But at the very least let's be open to the possibility. I am not saying abandon the movement, abandon your principles, abandon all hope... but rather be reasonable and allow for the possibility that not EVERYTHING we are told is an outright lie. Yes, it is on us (our duty I would say) to question... but let's also keep an open mind... with a dose of wariness.

And you know what? Perhaps I am more gullible than most. I am more likely to take things at face value, more likely to believe what I am told and yes, thus more likely to be taken advantage of. But I think I shall remain in this vulnerable position until proven wrong. Because I still have some faith in Bioware and the people who created the Mass Effect universe. Because, while the ending is under dispute and we are looking for answers/explanation, we tend to forget (rather easily) that the rest of the game was very good, an enjoyable experience overall, that provided us hours of entertainment as well as evoked a whole range of emotional responses. A wonderful and engaging journey...

*BIG HUGS* to all because I think we can ALL use some

Hear, Hear!

I still have faith in Bioware. I played all their games and loved them all(yes, DA2 also). And I think ME3 is one of the best so far. But like 90% of us(from poll), i was confused by the ending, and had to replay it 3 times just to try and understand, I never did! Its the first time for me with bioware. And I hope and strongly belive that the end is yet to come. But till it does, I WILL hold the line. 

[Danny_K_1]

shephard987 wrote...
NEW ARTICLE

http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity/

PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE AS WELL

This article in particular irked me, I responeded in a amicable and civil way of course.