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#9726
Vap0ur_Snake

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Jamie9 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Checking in. Later than usual as I had a job interview. What's going down at the line today then?


Everything's much calmer than yeterday, thankfully. The line is holding well. I wonder, do we still have the same amount of people as before that comment by Ray? It doesn't feel like we lost anyone.

PS. Your change of avatar managed to scare the crap of me. Good job.

Our choices should matter - Hold the Line


Thanks man... Did you read that post from the CVG guy about all the stuff that was cut from the game?

And speaking of my avatar... Did anyone else feel sorry for that head collector guy (if you destroyed the collector base) as he cowered before the base blew up? Aww, I think he looked like a cute little puppy. :wub:

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Danny_K_1 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...
NEW ARTICLE

http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity/

PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE AS WELL


This article in particular irked me, I responeded in a amicable and civil way of course.


It's a non issue since this reviewer stated obviously about not caring about the universe anyway . she can't possibly have compassion for the people involved here so it's moot .

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Kioux wrote...

Just a thought from my side - while I do respect and support critical thinking and even a healthy portion of skepticism - to doubt every single word not for its content but simply because it was a Bioware employee uttering it - is not healthy.
I am not saying believe everything but doubting it for doubts sake... I don't know. And seriously, while there are still many questions unanswered and still many doubt and fears present, we should continue a friendly and tolerant discussion - and yes, maybe simply wait until April to see what is actually going on.

We should at least give them a chance to present whatever they may or may not have planned for us before we accuse everyone and -thing Bioware of lies and conspiracy. Was there PR work - yes, I even as a non-PR-experienced average gamer I believe there has been - but not everything was.
So, take a breath people - do a little something else and come back with a clearer head. I like this thread, I support it but even for me some of the accusations based on "but-it-could-be"s seems to be a bit much. Just my personal observation and opinion.


I believe the reactions we saw were a heat-of-the-moment thing, and as you can see it has mostly subsided now. Thank you for your support, and hope to see you again :)

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Also, before this fiasco I was thinking about making mass effect themed warhammer 40k armies, would be such a fun project. Could do an imperial guard or space marine aliance army and make a reaper force really easilly and use tyranid rules for them. Sorry if no one knows what I'm going on about, I shall digress.

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wepeel_ wrote...


If you haven't seen it yet, do yourself a favour and check out the Marauder Shields comic at koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/ - as touching as it is funny. B)


YES! More believers in the Shepard Catalyst.

Awesome series, funny as hell!

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Hmm, about communications from EA/Bioware employees. We shouldn't disbelieve them outright, however we should not be so desperate to hear ANYTHING from them that we fawn over every word. We have to remember that they are the company that is involved in this firestorm. That being said, it is logical to take what they say with a grain of salt. They are here for the company first....

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I think we're starting to get stories in the press from people that don't care at all about the issue, but know the topic will draw huge numbers of hits. Its easy for anyone who thinks of themselves as supporting the arts to 'stand up for artistic integrity'. Too bad they have no idea whats actually going on because research is too difficult.

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Syrellaris wrote...

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so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.


That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933


Yep, just finished reading the whole thing and I couldn't come up with enough proof its not fake.

Its staying fake. I take it back =)

Modifié par rfrombrazil, 22 mars 2012 - 05:13 .


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Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Thanks man... Did you read that post from the CVG guy about all the stuff that was cut from the game?

And speaking of my avatar... Did anyone else feel sorry for that head collector guy (if you destroyed the collector base) as he cowered before the base blew up? Aww, I think he looked like a cute little puppy. :wub:


I...think the CVG stuff is fake. We've had more than one story of a "BioWare employee leaking stuff" and unless they WANTED to be fired, I doubt any of them would even consider it. Course I could be wrong, and probably am, but I remain skeptical of these types of stories.

And yeah, the Collector looks towards the "window" at space, and he just droops his head a bit. :crying:

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Even when Chris comes on these boards to state that he's asked Patrick about the supposed statement that's been attributed to Patrick on the internet and advises us Patrick didn't write it, some people still refuse to believe Chris, saying that because he works for Bioware, we can't trust him. Way to call the guy a liar. I am sure Patrick feels bad about the whole thing, even though he didn't have anything to do with it. And I can only imagine how Chris feels... Damn, I sure as hell couldn't do his job.

Good points!

Although I've brought the alleged Patrick thing up before, I agree it's good to drop it.  For me, I think it's good to remember that there are a lot of writers at Bioware who might not be satisfied with the current ending.  It's a big company with a big team with a diversity of opinion.  It'll be interesting to see what kind of DLC comes out.  That's the lesson to take away, but I agree it's terrible for us to be calling anyone "liars" or stressing them out.

There is nothing wrong about speculation about artists and their art, but name-calling and other aggressively antagonistic stuff needs to be called out.

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chkchkchk wrote...

AloraKast wrote...
Even when Chris comes on these boards to state that he's asked Patrick about the supposed statement that's been attributed to Patrick on the internet and advises us Patrick didn't write it, some people still refuse to believe Chris, saying that because he works for Bioware, we can't trust him. Way to call the guy a liar. I am sure Patrick feels bad about the whole thing, even though he didn't have anything to do with it. And I can only imagine how Chris feels... Damn, I sure as hell couldn't do his job.

Good points!

Although I've brought the alleged Patrick thing up before, I agree it's good to drop it.  For me, I think it's good to remember that there are a lot of writers at Bioware who might not be satisfied with the current ending.  It's a big company with a big team with a diversity of opinion.  It'll be interesting to see what kind of DLC comes out.  That's the lesson to take away, but I agree it's terrible for us to be calling anyone "liars" or stressing them out.

There is nothing wrong about speculation about artists and their art, but name-calling and other aggressively antagonistic stuff needs to be called out.


Yeah it does

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rfrombrazil wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this? 

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true. 

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.


That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933


Yep, just finished reading the whole thing and I couldn't come up with enough proof its not fake.

Its staying fake. I take it back =)


I can't see the post that was meant to be fake!? You got a copy of the actual thing?

Modifié par Vap0ur_Snake, 22 mars 2012 - 05:18 .


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 Let our voices be heard, here's a poll for you guys:

www.gamefaqs.com/

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Utopianus wrote...

I believe the reactions we saw were a heat-of-the-moment thing, and as you can see it has mostly subsided now. Thank you for your support, and hope to see you again :)


Heh, been around a good time (I think page 25 or something) - and I simply hate to see anything that could lead to infighting. So, I just hope you are right about the heat-of-the-moment thing. Would just be a shame to have people within the movement tear each other's throats out.
And I can't help it if I am slow at typing - or take another 3 minutes attempting to kill all typos :crying: - not even succeeding most of the times...

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Jamie9 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Thanks man... Did you read that post from the CVG guy about all the stuff that was cut from the game?

And speaking of my avatar... Did anyone else feel sorry for that head collector guy (if you destroyed the collector base) as he cowered before the base blew up? Aww, I think he looked like a cute little puppy. :wub:


I...think the CVG stuff is fake. We've had more than one story of a "BioWare employee leaking stuff" and unless they WANTED to be fired, I doubt any of them would even consider it. Course I could be wrong, and probably am, but I remain skeptical of these types of stories.

And yeah, the Collector looks towards the "window" at space, and he just droops his head a bit. :crying:



This was a guy who worked part time for CVG in the UK though. CVG is a really old games may that I used to read as kid. He's not claiming he's from BW, just saying he seen the early code. It could be fake but either way what he describes sound cool and better than what we got. 

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ericjdev wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

AloraKast wrote...
Even when Chris comes on these boards to state that he's asked Patrick about the supposed statement that's been attributed to Patrick on the internet and advises us Patrick didn't write it, some people still refuse to believe Chris, saying that because he works for Bioware, we can't trust him. Way to call the guy a liar. I am sure Patrick feels bad about the whole thing, even though he didn't have anything to do with it. And I can only imagine how Chris feels... Damn, I sure as hell couldn't do his job.

Good points!

Although I've brought the alleged Patrick thing up before, I agree it's good to drop it.  For me, I think it's good to remember that there are a lot of writers at Bioware who might not be satisfied with the current ending.  It's a big company with a big team with a diversity of opinion.  It'll be interesting to see what kind of DLC comes out.  That's the lesson to take away, but I agree it's terrible for us to be calling anyone "liars" or stressing them out.

There is nothing wrong about speculation about artists and their art, but name-calling and other aggressively antagonistic stuff needs to be called out.


Yeah it does


Seconded

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Caught up with the thread from last night. Every time I found something I wanted to post to, I read on a few posts and it was resolved, so I am happy about that, though it gives me nothing to wax poetic about here in this post.

We've had two fake troll posts in as many days that have garnered a ton of attention from both the community and the outside media, and all I can say is that we should view both those posts and Bioware's responses with the same healthy amount of skepticism. Trolls are trolls are trolls, and though most of us have been trained to recognize them over the course of our internet lives, some of them are really good at playing on our insecurities when we're weakest. A lot of people have been hurt by the endings, and they're casting about for anything that will make the pain go away. Let's not lost sight of what will really fix all this.

On the other hand, there may be people so fed up at Bioware and/or the situation in general that they've resorted to sneaking bits and pieces to us on the outside.  It's a possiblity, but it carries heavy risks for their respective careers, so I'm not sure I beleive that.

Still here, holding the line, now with 10 hours of sleep under my belt.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

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Kioux wrote...

Utopianus wrote...

I believe the reactions we saw were a heat-of-the-moment thing, and as you can see it has mostly subsided now. Thank you for your support, and hope to see you again :)


Heh, been around a good time (I think page 25 or something) - and I simply hate to see anything that could lead to infighting. So, I just hope you are right about the heat-of-the-moment thing. Would just be a shame to have people within the movement tear each other's throats out.
And I can't help it if I am slow at typing - or take another 3 minutes attempting to kill all typos :crying: - not even succeeding most of the times...


Hahaha all good. :lol: As you can probably see 1 page earlier I had to re-edit due to bad formatting, in one case I had to do it twice :P

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Sims: Mass Effect? - rotflmao

Someone said EA's new series they will be coming up with

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Aznable Char wrote...

Danny_K_1 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...
NEW ARTICLE

http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity/

PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE AS WELL


This article in particular irked me, I responeded in a amicable and civil way of course.


It's a non issue since this reviewer stated obviously about not caring about the universe anyway . she can't possibly have compassion for the people involved here so it's moot .


Regardless of whether or not they care about the universe or even know about the quality of people that grace this board I felt compelled to act on the blatent slander of the Retake movement.

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MeldarthX wrote...

Sims: Mass Effect? - rotflmao

Someone said EA's new series they will be coming up with


LoL - as horrible as it sounds, but I fear I could actually try that out.

*Edit :pinched:*
@Utopianus: I hate the formatting. Some pages ago I had a rather long post - came out completely screwed up and is still not perfect. Ah well.

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Hey everyone!
I left yesterday afternoon(3/21) what's happening other than Forbes?

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POST FROM CHMARR IN OTHER THREAD

dear bioware

i am a 37 year old network engineer and i am also an avid gamer, i have bought games on developer promises and good previews.

i have gotten all of the other bioware rpg-type games such as the dragon age series and all of the downloadable content, and also the other mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 games along with all of the other DLC (some how 2 of the other dlc has NOT turned up on my account for mass effect 2).

i pre-ordered the collectors edtion of mass effect 3 because of 3 reasons which are listed here

1)- i have the other 2 games and dlc with them

2)- it is the final of the series (which has now been debunked due to patent and copyright registrations under the bioware / electronic arts name)

3)- the biggest reason by far on why i pre-ordered the game was based on the promises made by bioware staff in interviews guaranteeing things.

"As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly
different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters."
--Casey Hudson

"We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that..."
--Mike Gamble

"Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. Bioware will not do a 'Lost' and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game."
--Mike Gamble

"Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be."
--Dr. Ray Muzyka

"I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people."
--Mike Gamble

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”
--Casey Hudson

"[The presence of the rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."
--Mac Walters

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."
--Casey Hudson

"Of course you don’t have to play
multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in
single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and
same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing."
--Casey Hudson

"Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”
--Caseuy Hudson

these were printed in everything from newspapers, gaming magazines even in live interviews these promises were made.

it is these that we purchased mass effect.

i have also been lucky enough to work part time at CVG in the uk who got a preview version of mass effect 3 and due to an NDA i could not discuss what i had played and what i had seen.

i would want an answer to this, why was the prothean removed from the game and made into day-one DLC when the edtion we recived had it already part of the full version preview game on xbox360.

why was there a 3rd disc for the xbox version which was inacessable without a developer xbox360 console, once installed the disc used 7.4gig of space, that is 7.4 = disc 1, 7.0 gig = disc 2 and the 3rd was 7.4 = gig thats a total of 20.8 gig.

why was there weapons that were only avalible on pc and ps3 in the xbox360 version.

why was a lot of dialog's and cut scenes cut from the retail version and the biggest of all, why is there a lot of side missions removed, some of these side missions were really intresting, such as the asarii and human female who were having an affair, a side mission to either expose them to the human females husband and the assari's life partner, convincing the vol whos talking about sanctuary where you can convince them to go there or to avoid it.

and the one side mission that had me laughing was an interactive game of poker with james in dock with the refugee's, the dialog was funny and a breath of freshair, the other side mission was with the 2 c-sec guards outside purgatory.

the extended dialog narratives at the start, the extended council dialogs in the citidel, the extended dialog with anderson at the end was tear jerking and would have been pivotal.

so many cut-scenes and the extended battle scene when the "retake the earth" battle was movie grade kick ass, how often do you see a heavy damaged sword ship ramming a reaper while shooting its cannons then cut to inside where the camera pans round to show primark victus standing proud and injured shouting "if were going down, were taking these bastards with us" then it cuts to the outside where his ship impacts the reaper and explodes taking the reaper with it.

the normandy doing manuvers that is just pure unadultirated awesomness, joker going hell for leather, garrus in the cockpit on the weapons seat shooting the upgraded thanx cannons, the normandy taking a direct hit from the flying orbs and shakes it off due to the heavy upgraded kinetic shielding (which was exposed by talking to engineer adams),
tali literly ripping parts out of the walls to shut off plasma leaks.
liara using her shadow broker database to hack some of the orbs to fight for them.

the geth fleet taking a pounding and a geth prime standing n the bridge of a dreadnought screaming "FOR LEGION".

the extended battle scene should have been kept in as it would have made the endings have some meaning, also where did the 3rd option come in, the version CVG recived in january 2012 dident even have that option, even with maxed out war readyness, and when did multiplayer play be required to increase the war readyness, i know its a preview version but a single line of coding changed that in retail which i found was bizar and un-needed.

bioware if you removed the content which i have seen from the full game ONLY to sell it at a later date then this is by far the WORST EVER PR STUNT for DLC ever thought of.

not a single game company would remove and entire section of a NECESSARY INTEGRAL part of the game to sell later on.

thats like cutting the last 60 minutes of terminator 2 then telling people "oh yeah you need to pay more to see the ending which you wont see for 2 months"

this has been a PR nightmare for bioware and EA as this has actually effected the fiscal year profits due to the refunds from most of the well known outlets even from EA themself are giving refunds,

this has damaged the reputation of bioware and EA in a really bad way as the "retake mass effect" gains support due to the removal of integral missions and broken promises,

its gotten as far as raising $80,000 for the childs play charity which has gotten a LOT of positive support from stars and other game developers.

we have been called brats, attention ****s, greedy ****s and then be classed as needy spoiled brats by BIOWARE PR STAFF.

just because we are VERY vocal about what we feel about what we know is wrong only to be told "this is art".

as i said i have kept most information of what i have played / seen at CVG offices in the uk about mass effect 3 and the mystery 3rd disc has gotten me annoyied







IS THIS TRUE?

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Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...


As we all have read, Dr. Ray Muzyka has responed in a blogpost to RetakeME3. If you haven't read it, here's the link: http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

RetakeME3 has had three main points it wanted to achieve with DLC:

  • Our choices should matter: Multiple endings based on our chocies throughout the game(s), with significant difference between all of them, including, but not limited to so-called 'happy endings'.
  • Endings have to make sense: Said endings have to be in line with the rest of the storyline, and with as little plotholes as possible
  • Closure: We want to know where our characters, their squadmates and other characters, and even species, will end up, or at least get a clear indication of that.
The blogpost being mostly PR speak, it doesn't include anything concrete. This is extremely likely due to the fact that they have nothing ready, and anything concrete would pinpoint them to somthing that they may not be able to deliver upon. Having made that mistake with the PR, they want to reduce the chances of that happening again.

However, the blogpost, along with other communications from Bioware staff, do indicate an invitation to the negotiation table. More than that, Bioware indicates it concedes to some of our requests. First of all, they indicated that they will make the endings make sense, which is point 2 on our bullited list. Also, they implied, that they will help create closure for the story. Since this is rather subjective, I can understand that they don't want to outright promise that, but at least it shows that they are willing to work on it.

These concessions are a step in the right direction. We're not there yet, though, but, still, it is a step. We should appreciate this. We should appreciate it for what it is: an opening bid for negotiations.

Now, I believe, it is time to show that we, as well, are willing to take place at the negotiations table. We must show that we are reasonable, rational negotiation partners, and not raging whining entitled obsessive fans.

What does that mean? We have to give Bioware some room. We have to make certain concessions.

HOWEVER, our bullited points are non-negotiable. We have made that clear from the start. These are our requests, and we will not back down from them.

The thing is, Bioware did not ask for us to do that. What he asked of us, is to stop our campaign. To abandon holding the line.

Should we? No. Because once we do so, we have nothing to exert our collective voice with. So, no, we hold the line.

Instead, I suggest we make concessions. Namely, the following:
  • We stop review-bombing
  • We amend our message: Instead of saying "Don't buy the game", we will say "Buy the game, but only after the endings DLC has been released".
Those, and only those, should be our concessions to Bioware and EA. To show them we are co-operative, and willing negotiation partners. We will, however, continue holding the line, by doing the following:
  • We keep donating to the Charity.
  • We keep linking to articles that support our position, like the Forbes articles, Angry Joe, etc.
  • We keep the conversation going, not only here on BSN, but on Facebook, twitter, etc.
I hope all of you will take these suggestions to heart.

With regards, Samuel Valkyrie

PS: I posted this in a seperate thread as well, so that if it either disappears in the massive number of posts here, or in the forum itself, at least as many people as possible would be able to read it.

I just want to repeat this, so that everyone may read (and many only read the very first post, and the last page).

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Maglor07 wrote...

 Let our voices be heard, here's a poll for you guys:

www.gamefaqs.com/

Now that one has what I'd call an interesting outcome.

I'm doing statistics as part of my work, and a 5 item poll with two peaks at either end of the spectrum and only a minority in between is a sight to behold.
It either means you worded the choices badly, or the topic is too controversial to be measured by a scale like that.

The problem for Bioware though, is that it seems to be mostly controversial with people who've never even touched the games.
The opinion of their fan- (read: consumer)base is a bit less varied

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