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[Chronor]

seitani wrote...

That Forbes author Erik Kain is idiot and so is Colin Moriarty

Um, not sure why you are trolling.  At least Erik Kain provides view points and backs his statements.   Moriarty does not.  Moriarty seems to be pandering to the ad money rather than trying to stick to any form of journalistic integrity.  Ironically, "integrity" is something we all here are fighting for.  The endings do not support the "integrity" of the Mass Effect universe or the story.

In sum, please troll elsewhere, or back up your statements.

[Darkeus]

seitani wrote...

That Forbes author Erik Kain is idiot and so is Colin Moriarty

Trolling much?

That Forbes author has some excellent insights that are backed up.

Colin on the other hand.  Yeah, he is a moron.

[MeldarthX]

Alright Folks - we had a victory yesterday but the win.......

If we want to win........remember

Keep posting - keep tweeting- keep talking to the news - getting articles out. We need to keep the pressure on them more than ever now.

If we just stop - guess what.......BW won't do a damn thing; they are business; and in as such we their customers/consumers to get any changes have to effect them economically.

Be respectful - treat others how you want to be treated; be civil.........

HOLD THE LINE.

[seitani]

Chronor wrote...

seitani wrote...

That Forbes author Erik Kain is idiot and so is Colin Moriarty

Um, not sure why you are trolling.  At least Erik Kain provides view points and backs his statements.   Moriarty does not.  Moriarty seems to be pandering to the ad money rather than trying to stick to any form of journalistic integrity.  Ironically, "integrity" is something we all here are fighting for.  The endings do not support the "integrity" of the Mass Effect universe or the story.

In sum, please troll elsewhere, or back up your statements.

Erik Kain hauled fans for disliking the ending and claimed that general dislike of the game is because it features homosexuality. Then in the comments he said that he haven't even finished the game yet and im not a goddamn troll

Modifié par seitani, 22 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[TF_FTW]

There is a book on Amazon , called Mass Effect : Deception .
here : http://www.amazon.co...z/dp/0345520734

Just check the reviews... That is the book that supposedly leads-in to Mass Effect 3 .

Holding the line

[AloraKast]

Utopianus wrote...

AloraKast wrote...

*snipped for length*

*BIG HUGS* to all because I think we can ALL use some

If I am not wrong, the main gist of what you were saying is that people were reacting with a little too much paranoia and ironically that had deflected the chance to engage in proper dialogue that we all wanted with BioWare in regards to the ending and the solutions to it. I would say that's a fair observation, and indeed this paranoia, or rather, vehement and vitriol airing of such paranoia, is somewhat unbecoming and counterproductive. However I should point out that this paranoia, or should I say, heavy and unrelenting amounts of skepticism, was not born out of this one event; that of the bad ending, but is, I believe, from my own observations, the culmination of a string of disappointments for the past year and a bit, as many of these people are veterans of BioWare games, have been used to the quality of its products, and are baffled and jaded by the recent unsatisfactory performance by the company, and that the ME3 ending was the last straw. Which is why in an earlier post in response to Miss Merizan, which I hope she had read and taken into consideration, I pointed this out to her and suggested that nothing less than concrete confirmation of BioWare's commitment to do something about the endings can the skepticism be lifted, and only then can proper, meaningful dialogue begin. So far we've been given a "we'll do something" , which although not very solid, is at least a step in the right direction, which may explain why the most vicious reactions on this side has subsided.

I guess I would count as a recipient of your hug, so I should return one *HUGS*

Hey Utopianus, thanks for the post (and everyone else as well ).

Aye, I hear what you're saying, after all I was here for the DA2 er... debate (check out all those pwetty icons under my avatar ). Perhaps because I got to go all blood rage on the DA2 thing, I'm trying to take that step back now, get some distance as well as perspective here.

I guess what I'm attempting to champion here is BALANCE; remain skeptical and cautious, but also be reasonable and keep an open mind. Don't take everything at face value but also don't dismiss everything merely because it comes from someone associated with Bioware.

And Samuel_Valkyrie, I really like your post, I think it's fair and reasonable. So fabulous job everyone, I'd like to thank you all for the truly inspiring movement thus far and keep up the good work, remain strong and steadfast... while remaining civil and reasonable. Balance people!

Here's something to enjoy/inspire us all!

[T-Dawg135]

My response to the article "I Don’t Give A **** About Mass Effect, I Do Give A **** About Artistic Integrity" http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity.

If integrity is all about “consistency of character”, then why do the endings given show so little consistency as compared to the rest of the work. The ending is more akin to Picasso Photoshoping a photographed nose into one of his paintings. It would look horrendous and certainly wouldn’t be consistent with the rest of the work. Wouldn’t that show a violation of his own artistic integrity? That’s what these endings are, horribly inconsistent with the rest of the work in which they are contained. The Retake Mass Effect movement is simply demanding that Bioware look to its own artistic integrity and provide a finished artwork that is “consistent of character” with the rest of the work they sold us.

[spacefiddle]

seitani wrote...

Chronor wrote...

seitani wrote...

That Forbes author Erik Kain is idiot and so is Colin Moriarty

Um, not sure why you are trolling.  At least Erik Kain provides view points and backs his statements.   Moriarty does not.  Moriarty seems to be pandering to the ad money rather than trying to stick to any form of journalistic integrity.  Ironically, "integrity" is something we all here are fighting for.  The endings do not support the "integrity" of the Mass Effect universe or the story.

In sum, please troll elsewhere, or back up your statements.

Erik Kain hauled fans for disliking the ending and claimed that general dislike of the game is because it features homosexuality. Then in the comments he said that he haven't even finished the game yet and im not a goddamn troll

[citation needed]

[rogueagent6]

TF_FTW wrote...

There is a book on Amazon , called Mass Effect : Deception .
here : http://www.amazon.co...z/dp/0345520734

Just check the reviews... That is the book that supposedly leads-in to Mass Effect 3 .

Holding the line

And it was recalled by the publisher after all the inaccuracies were pointed out.

[spacefiddle]

Aznable Char wrote...

Danny_K_1 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...
NEW ARTICLE

http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity/

PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE AS WELL

This article in particular irked me, I responeded in a amicable and civil way of course.

It's a non issue since this reviewer stated obviously about not caring about the universe anyway . she can't possibly have compassion for the people involved here so it's moot .

I don't give a **** about sydhit.com, but I do give a **** about responsible non-sensationalist journalism

[stargatefan1990]

AloraKast wrote...

Utopianus wrote...

AloraKast wrote...

*snipped for length*

*BIG HUGS* to all because I think we can ALL use some

If I am not wrong, the main gist of what you were saying is that people were reacting with a little too much paranoia and ironically that had deflected the chance to engage in proper dialogue that we all wanted with BioWare in regards to the ending and the solutions to it. I would say that's a fair observation, and indeed this paranoia, or rather, vehement and vitriol airing of such paranoia, is somewhat unbecoming and counterproductive. However I should point out that this paranoia, or should I say, heavy and unrelenting amounts of skepticism, was not born out of this one event; that of the bad ending, but is, I believe, from my own observations, the culmination of a string of disappointments for the past year and a bit, as many of these people are veterans of BioWare games, have been used to the quality of its products, and are baffled and jaded by the recent unsatisfactory performance by the company, and that the ME3 ending was the last straw. Which is why in an earlier post in response to Miss Merizan, which I hope she had read and taken into consideration, I pointed this out to her and suggested that nothing less than concrete confirmation of BioWare's commitment to do something about the endings can the skepticism be lifted, and only then can proper, meaningful dialogue begin. So far we've been given a "we'll do something" , which although not very solid, is at least a step in the right direction, which may explain why the most vicious reactions on this side has subsided.

I guess I would count as a recipient of your hug, so I should return one *HUGS*

Hey Utopianus, thanks for the post (and everyone else as well ).

Aye, I hear what you're saying, after all I was here for the DA2 er... debate (check out all those pwetty icons under my avatar ). Perhaps because I got to go all blood rage on the DA2 thing, I'm trying to take that step back now, get some distance as well as perspective here.

I guess what I'm attempting to champion here is BALANCE; remain skeptical and cautious, but also be reasonable and keep an open mind. Don't take everything at face value but also don't dismiss everything merely because it comes from someone associated with Bioware.

And Samuel_Valkyrie, I really like your post, I think it's fair and reasonable. So fabulous job everyone, I'd like to thank you all for the truly inspiring movement thus far and keep up the good work, remain strong and steadfast... while remaining civil and reasonable. Balance people!

Here's something to enjoy/inspire us all!

I was not here for the Debate of DA2 i was too busy enjoying it lol and back then was a lurker came out of hiding to join Retake

[Fulgrim88]

Craven1138 wrote...

http://bitmob.com/ar...earn-its-ending - this one might be worth adding to opening post.

Wow. After spending days on these forums now I seriously didnt think any review would touch issues or raise questions I hadn't already heard of / thought about.
This one does.

Interesting take on the issue. Certainly broadened my viewpoint

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 22 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[XqctaX]

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

I see nothing but speculation in that thread. nothing as been proven in either way

[Amagoi]

spacefiddle wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

Danny_K_1 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...
NEW ARTICLE

http://sydhit.com/20...stic-integrity/

PLEASE CHECK THIS ONE AS WELL

This article in particular irked me, I responeded in a amicable and civil way of course.

It's a non issue since this reviewer stated obviously about not caring about the universe anyway . she can't possibly have compassion for the people involved here so it's moot .

I don't give a **** about sydhit.com, but I do give a **** about responsible non-sensationalist journalism

It really is disappointing when you realize how extremely rare non-sensationalist journalism is in the video game field. But this thread has pointed out how the major sites are biased and bought by EA and such. Really disappointing, but now that we realize it, that's less money for people who do this crap.

[wicked_being]

cyrrant wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Sims: Mass Effect? - rotflmao

Someone said EA's new series they will be coming up with

If there's blue babies, human-quarian and human-turian babies, I might buy it

BAD!  No Bioware games until this is fixed!  Don't make me hit you with a rolled up newspaper.

Bahaha! I'm officially boycotting every EA title until they fix the ending. But hey, don't tell me you never imagined an ME3-like Sims.

*put the council and a stove in a room*
*remove the door*
*wait for fire*

Modifié par wicked_being, 22 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[Chronor]

@seitani

I don't recall any of Kain's articles being homophobic. He also expressed an eloquent opinion that maybe, just maybe (sarcasm), the fans actually do have a case for expressing their dissatisfaction with the ending.

At the very least, Kain's articles were objective and impartial. The latest article also highlighted the hypocrisy gaming journalist (Moriarty in particular) seem to show for denigrating our discontent. The takeaway from the article is that Moriarty has vociferously supported gamer feedback influencing game content but then turns around that we are a bunch of "entitled" ho's because we are asking for basically the same thing. Contradictory and double speak much Moriarty?

If you are objective and open minded, you should realize that many here have legitimate beef against the endings. Personally, I am very disappointed and pissed because I never got the 13 other endings promised from BW. I only got 3, in different colors, with subjectively a singular ending. Besides the other problems with the ending, my investment of $60-80 for a game should include content that was promised.

Modifié par Chronor, 22 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[Utopianus]

Enichan wrote...

What I don't get about all those snide articles that basically tell us to shut the <bleep> up, and that we're just angry fanboys trying to compromise artistic integrity... sure, Bioware does have the right to stick to its guns and tell us to cry moar.

But when did that suddenly become mutually exclusive with us giving feedback and voting with our wallets? They shouldn't be forced to change the ending (and it's not like we can actually force them) but neither should we be forced to complacently accept an artistic vision we disagree with.

It is very possible that this is just manifestations of an inferiority complex from the gaming industry (of course there are individuals and individual organisations that are the exception). As I had posted 2~3 pages before, the gaming industry has only matured into the "mainstream" some 10~15 years ago, graduating excitedly from the old niche market of "nerd" culture. That, and the recent recognition that games are legally an art (in the USA) may have given some in the industry a major ego-boost, as they can finally and proudly say that they are "artists", which is a title and and appellation I'm sure many in the industry crave as it is seen as a rank-up from the perception that their hard work are "not-art". That is fair enough, however the rush by the promotion may have also blinded some of them to the fact that their work is commercial art, thus it is a product that needs to be sold, and that customers MUST be satisfied. Of course, the gaming industry naturally also include the gaming press and their journalists, who probably now perceive themselves as art-journalists rather than blogger-with-focus-on-gaming. So all the snide comments and name calling we are now experiencing is more of an outburst of indignation and perceived slight at their recently elevated positions as "artists", rather than "people who are commissioned to make art", because the euphoria of being "promoted" has yet to let them see clearly.

An analogy would be that we are now witnessing a kid, who no doubt have talent and dreamed to become an artist throwing a tantrum after receiving their first negative response. This also means, they do not have the moral high ground (neither do we), but as the "adult" in this roleplay, we have the responsibility of guiding this child through patience and constructive, well meaning criticism.

So, let me just reiterate, everyone. Stay Calm, Keep up the Spirit, and Hold The Line!!

EDIT: spelling

Modifié par Utopianus, 22 mars 2012 - 06:25 .

[seitani]

spacefiddle wrote...

seitani wrote...

Chronor wrote...

seitani wrote...

That Forbes author Erik Kain is idiot and so is Colin Moriarty

Um, not sure why you are trolling.  At least Erik Kain provides view points and backs his statements.   Moriarty does not.  Moriarty seems to be pandering to the ad money rather than trying to stick to any form of journalistic integrity.  Ironically, "integrity" is something we all here are fighting for.  The endings do not support the "integrity" of the Mass Effect universe or the story.

In sum, please troll elsewhere, or back up your statements.

Erik Kain hauled fans for disliking the ending and claimed that general dislike of the game is because it features homosexuality. Then in the comments he said that he haven't even finished the game yet and im not a goddamn troll

[citation needed]

Erik Kain, Contributor






2 weeks ago



There are way too many comments here to respond to. I want to
say that while I think there are obviously some homophobic gamers
reacting to this game negatively, that the actual issue seems to be the
sense of betrayal old BioWare fans feel. I talk about it here:
http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/
I don’t think this reaction is helpful or that it will sway BioWare
at all, so I think it’s a bad strategy. But I am walking back the
homophobia claim, and thank to those of you who argued against it
without resorting to ad hominem.

[stargatefan1990]

i had no problem with same sex Relationships in mass effect 3 (I admit i lol'd when the shuttle pilot was constantly flirting with me when we talk) i loved every moment of mass effect until the last Dam 10 minutes of ME3

[Chronor]

@seitani

I'm not sure what point you are making here. Kain made an observation that some of the negative comments seem to be homophobic in nature. Then he retracts that line of logic.

Does that read as if Kain himself is homophobic? I don't think so.  Perhaps I could be wrong & I'll be the first one to admit it.  Unlike some *ahem* companies we know.  (sarcasm) :happy:

Modifié par Chronor, 22 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[shephard987]

seitani wrote...

2 weeks ago



There are way too many comments here to respond to. I want to
say that while I think there are obviously some homophobic gamers
reacting to this game negatively, that the actual issue seems to be the
sense of betrayal old BioWare fans feel. I talk about it here:
http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/
I don’t think this reaction is helpful or that it will sway BioWare
at all, so I think it’s a bad strategy. But I am walking back the
homophobia claim, and thank to those of you who argued against it
without resorting to ad hominem.

I actually think he's seen reason in our statements and is fighting for our right to voice our opinion.
http://www.forbes.co...native-endings/
Regardless, please refrain from using profanity or vulgarities.
Thank you.
Remember, we must remain Civil to be taken seriously. 

Hold the Line

[bLark42]

seitani wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

seitani wrote...

Chronor wrote...

seitani wrote...

That Forbes author Erik Kain is idiot and so is Colin Moriarty

Um, not sure why you are trolling.  At least Erik Kain provides view points and backs his statements.   Moriarty does not.  Moriarty seems to be pandering to the ad money rather than trying to stick to any form of journalistic integrity.  Ironically, "integrity" is something we all here are fighting for.  The endings do not support the "integrity" of the Mass Effect universe or the story.

In sum, please troll elsewhere, or back up your statements.

Erik Kain hauled fans for disliking the ending and claimed that general dislike of the game is because it features homosexuality. Then in the comments he said that he haven't even finished the game yet and im not a goddamn troll

[citation needed]

Erik Kain, Contributor






2 weeks ago



There are way too many comments here to respond to. I want to
say that while I think there are obviously some homophobic gamers
reacting to this game negatively, that the actual issue seems to be the
sense of betrayal old BioWare fans feel. I talk about it here:
http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/
I don’t think this reaction is helpful or that it will sway BioWare
at all, so I think it’s a bad strategy. But I am walking back the
homophobia claim, and thank to those of you who argued against it
without resorting to ad hominem.

He may have started out saying that, but that post was also from before Mass effect 3 came out. He has since changed his tune.

[Elodin123]

MeldarthX wrote...

http://gotgame.com/2...fect-3s-ending/

Another good article


HOLD THE LINE

Thx for the link, that's a great article.

Hold the line people.

[seitani]

Chronor wrote...

@seitani

I'm not sure what point you are making here. Kain made an observation that some of the negative comments seem to be homophobic in nature. Then he retracts that line of logic.

Does that read as if Kain himself is homophobic? I don't think so.

I point is that Kain himself judged gamers too quickly and without enough research and knowledge

Modifié par seitani, 22 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[Syrellaris]

Darkeus wrote...

seitani wrote...

That Forbes author Erik Kain is idiot and so is Colin Moriarty

Trolling much?

That Forbes author has some excellent insights that are backed up.

Colin on the other hand.  Yeah, he is a moron.

Except for when he used Stephen Bond in an article.