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[izmirtheastarach]

At least Kain admitted being wrong. Moriarty doesn't even seem to know who works for Bioware.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 22 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[Chronor]

seitani wrote...

Chronor wrote...

@seitani

I'm not sure what point you are making here. Kain made an observation that some of the negative comments seem to be homophobic in nature. Then he retracts that line of logic.

Does that read as if Kain himself is homophobic? I don't think so.

I point is that Kain himself judged gamers too quickly and without enough research

Hmmm, that may be.  But who hasn't?  I daresay many here have, myself included.  Regardless, I still say that Kain's latest batch of articles are more objective than others I've read.

*edited for noticeable grammar

Modifié par Chronor, 22 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[AKOdin]

I was also dissatisfied with the endings, especially in light of the pre-release quotes from the developers. I found this article interesting because of the information it references as coming from a BW dev. If it has been posted already, apologies.

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

[heathxxx]

rogueagent6 wrote...

TF_FTW wrote...

There is a book on Amazon , called Mass Effect : Deception .
here : http://www.amazon.co...z/dp/0345520734

Just check the reviews... That is the book that supposedly leads-in to Mass Effect 3 .

Holding the line

And it was recalled by the publisher after all the inaccuracies were pointed out.

I would venture to raise the following suspicion I've had for a long while, regarding BioWare...

Since they got involved in the production of the Star Wars MMO franchise, everything else within their stable seems to have taken a back seat. After all, it was a plumb franchise and IP they manage to catch.

Drew Karpyshyn having being involved in various other Star Wars literature, was bound to get pulled into that project and therefore, away from the Mass Effect work.

Aside from the writing and literary aspects of the Mass Effect franchise that we're discussing here, there's a very noticeable trend in the distinctly below par reception of BioWare titles released, since so much focus has been spent on the Star Wars IP.

Dare I say that everything else has played second fiddle to the Star Wars franchise MMO, simply because so much money and effort has been invested? Whilst I haven't the time to chase down links for various budgetary sorces relating to the Star Wars MMO project, suffice it to say that "hundreds of millions of dollars" was a regular them in such articles and discussions around the web.

The decline in the quality and reception of games since work commenced on the Star Wars MMO is rather noticeable. Dare we point to that as a possible cause and (Mass) effect here?

[seitani]

Chronor wrote...

seitani wrote...

Chronor wrote...

@seitani

I'm not sure what point you are making here. Kain made an observation that some of the negative comments seem to be homophobic in nature. Then he retracts that line of logic.

Does that read as if Kain himself is homophobic? I don't think so.

I point is that Kain himself judged gamers too quickly and without enough research

Hmmm, that may be.  But who hasn't?  I daresay many here have, myself included.  Irregardless, I still say that Kain's latest batch of articles are more objective than other's I've read.

I may have been a little hot-head again when i called him a idiot. Hes clearly not but i just hate journalism without enough information and research of the subject. Kains updated atricles are good

Modifié par seitani, 22 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[Chronor]

@seitani

Agreed! At least Kain's articles gives hope that there are journalists out there with integrity.

[wepeel_]

Syrellaris wrote...

rfrombrazil wrote...

so, guys, this?

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
http://i.imgur.com/W2gwS.jpg

well, i'm just posting this to this thread but i saw it in another. now. i want opinions on how we even start to deal with the situation, if and ONLY IF everything there's true.

this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO.

incompetence is a problem within bioware that the company should deal with itself, if it is the case, but i think some answers and the cut content for free. god knows that there's cut content everywhere.

again for emphasis: this should not devolve into a witch-hunt, and this is very important. SERIOUSLY. remember what our movement is about, and our MO. hold the line, and keep civil, and perhaps some good can come of this.

That article has been fully confirmed as fake.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

It would seem the plot is thickening. This story was indeed claimed to be a fake, but now there seems to be more substance to it than first impressions would lead you to believe. If nothing else it'd be worth looking into.

[seitani]

True

[Jamie9]

heathxxx wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...

TF_FTW wrote...

There is a book on Amazon , called Mass Effect : Deception .
here : http://www.amazon.co...z/dp/0345520734

Just check the reviews... That is the book that supposedly leads-in to Mass Effect 3 .

Holding the line

And it was recalled by the publisher after all the inaccuracies were pointed out.

I would venture to raise the following suspicion I've had for a long while, regarding BioWare...

Since they got involved in the production of the Star Wars MMO franchise, everything else within their stable seems to have taken a back seat. After all, it was a plumb franchise and IP they manage to catch.

Drew Karpyshyn having being involved in various other Star Wars literature, was bound to get pulled into that project and therefore, away from the Mass Effect work.

Aside from the writing and literary aspects of the Mass Effect franchise that we're discussing here, there's a very noticeable trend in the distinctly below par reception of BioWare titles released, since so much focus has been spent on the Star Wars IP.

Dare I say that everything else has played second fiddle to the Star Wars franchise MMO, simply because so much money and effort has been invested? Whilst I haven't the time to chase down links for various budgetary sorces relating to the Star Wars MMO project, suffice it to say that "hundreds of millions of dollars" was a regular them in such articles and discussions around the web.

The decline in the quality and reception of games since work commenced on the Star Wars MMO is rather noticeable. Dare we point to that as a possible cause and (Mass) effect here?

I remember reading quite a bit of speculation just prior to the release of TOR that if it performed poorly, BioWare would likely go bust. The most expensive game ever made was in nearly every interview about it, so yeah, it cost them a lot.

Would it affect Dragon Age and Mass Effect? I believe so, yes.

[Midarc2nd]

seitani wrote...

Erik Kain hauled fans for disliking the ending and claimed that general dislike of the game is because it features homosexuality. Then in the comments he said that he haven't even finished the game yet and im not a goddamn troll

Theres another 18 or so page forbes thread active right now.
I mention it as someone has a linked chronological listing of the progress of Erik Kains opinion and reports over the whole issue.
There's an interesting progress visible, in that the more he learned, the more he came to support the essential aims of the retake movement.
Or, at least, be sympathetic towards it.
Worth checking out anyway.

Personally, I haven't read enough of the fellers articles to judge.
It's easy to see someone as 'good' if they support your own point of view, so I'm not going to fall into that trap and claim he's great based only on that.
He could be, but I'm not familiar enough with his work to make that claim.

That said, after initial inspection, Moriarty seems to be a rump slapping baboon pooting his opinions into the air like some kind of gas based dirty protest.

[Turtlicious]

Can someone help me get a hold of ATG? I'd like to work with him on getting a podcast going.

[AloraKast]

Try PM'ing him on the BSN:

http://social.bioware.com/216287/

[Vap0ur_Snake]

wicked_being wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Sims: Mass Effect? - rotflmao 

Someone said EA's new series they will be coming up with

If there's blue babies, human-quarian and human-turian babies, I might buy it 

BAD!  No Bioware games until this is fixed!  Don't make me hit you with a rolled up newspaper.

Bahaha! I'm officially boycotting every EA title until they fix the ending. But hey, don't tell me you never imagined an ME3-like Sims. 

*put the council and a stove in a room*
*remove the door*
*wait for fire*

Ikewise. Although I did buy KOA but I knew how good that was and isn't se why the writters of that game should suffer when their game is so good. I needed to get an RPG fix from somewhere and out of the new games this year so far it's the best title. 

No more EA or bioware titles till this done though. I have also boycotted MP and got at least one of my MP friends to boycot it too. It's a shame though as I really enjoy it. 

[lil_lene]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Sims: Mass Effect? - rotflmao 

Someone said EA's new series they will be coming up with

If there's blue babies, human-quarian and human-turian babies, I might buy it 

BAD!  No Bioware games until this is fixed!  Don't make me hit you with a rolled up newspaper.

Bahaha! I'm officially boycotting every EA title until they fix the ending. But hey, don't tell me you never imagined an ME3-like Sims. 

*put the council and a stove in a room*
*remove the door*
*wait for fire*

Ikewise. Although I did buy KOA but I knew how good that was and isn't se why the writters of that game should suffer when their game is so good. I needed to get an RPG fix from somewhere and out of the new games this year so far it's the best title. 

No more EA or bioware titles till this done though. I have also boycotted MP and got at least one of my MP friends to boycot it too. It's a shame though as I really enjoy it. 

Yeah I bought it also.. Great game.. And the ending made sense..

[ImaginatorX]

Even if Bioware caves into making a better ending EA will make them charge for it. So as far as making money they will. I think having Shepard die isn't all bad, unless you get no choice. In DA:O you had the choice to die or live. In ME3 from what I hear Shepard can live, but it requirs a lot of effort and possibly palying multiplayer. 

[GamerByt3]

incoming rambling and pointless rant about the games' ending, the validity of an argument for a REAL bittersweet ending, and why the current endings' lack of closure is truly sad.
i'd be ok with a happy ending for ME3, despite people scoffing at me for it. but i think i have a different definition of 'happy ending' then they do, when it comes to ME3. here's what i mean; even if you end the galaxy-wide war with all possible alliances forged, ultimate EMS, and 100% Galactic Readiness, the sheer and utter destruction wrought by the Reapers over the entirety their campaign has effectively removed any possibility for a "sunshine and bunnies" ending. i'm ok with that. i just want to be completely convinced of the rightness of my Shepard's cause, the worth of my efforts, and the closure experienced not just by me as a player, but in those i care about, my team-mates (despite the fact that they are entirely fictional people, but i digress. it's still important to me, as a valid and intriguing part of the story).
i say this as one of the (few?) people who romanced Kaidan, and it's ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING that the very last thing he says to you as a lover is "i can't lose you again. not a second time." (*loose paraphrase*)
now, again, this would be okay--i guess--if i felt like my sacrifice meant something, and i could have seen if he was able to move on, the galaxy will recover, all that jazz. instead, after the final push, Shepard gets to the Citadel, wonders how the hell Anderson got there AFTER her (even though the radio chatter said no one survived Harbinger's attack). then, even though he JUST SAID he "followed you up", Anderson reaches the Crucible console BEFORE Shepard, which still definitely makes no sense considering that if you look around, there seems to have been no way into the room but the way you just used to get in, and Anderson never passed Shepard on his way to the console. ignoring that, the whole TIM scene happens, which ALSO doesn't make sense given that no indoctrinated being has EVER been proven able to physically control other people, but TIM somehow forces Shepard to shoot Anderson anyway. there's Indoctrination Theory stuff on that, but i'm not getting into it here.
after that, the Heaven-Elevator happens, and everything gets even MORE nonsensical, (if i hadn't seen it myself, i'd be suspicious of anyone claiming that it could). God-Child lays out three utterly ridiculous 'choices' and demands that Shepard choose between three identical-but-different-colored light shows. each of these would cause the relays to explode, destroying all life as we know it, but more on that later. at that point, i kept expecting an Interrupt of EITHER flavor, since i was raring to tell Kid Where Exactly to Shove It. Instead, Shepard betrays me in a way she never has before, and dumbly accepts everything Lil Shiny says without question. blah blah blah, lots of exposition, bad writing, and Shepard chooses arbitrarily and dies. (OR DOES SH-actually, i'm just going to assume she dies no matter what, despite my hard-earned 7000 EMS and 100% Galactic Readiness, because AFTER WHAT JUST HAPPENED, I DON'T EVEN CARE ANY MORE.)
and while we're on that topic, the fact that the ending robs me of my ability to connect with the story at any level is simply awful, since this has never been an issue in previous ME games, or many other Bioware titles. BW is well known for their well-written and intriguing characters, and intricate and well-crafted story lines. ME3 is NO DIFFERENT--until the very end. to have connected so deeply with the characters/plot up to--but not continuing through--the ending of the game is just an utterly criminal and crippling detraction from the otherwise sterling experience provided by the entire ME franchise up to that point.
so, the Citadel explodes, the Reapers die/fly away, people cheer, relays start to explode, thereby killing all sentient life in the galaxy, except for the Normandy, which is piloted by Joker--who's inexplicably already using the Sol relay even though a second ago he was fighting with the armada to defeat the Reapers. the Normandy ends up crash-landing on the only planet left in the universe uncharred enough to support plant life.
at least Joker's alive. yay? oh cool, he's coming out of the ruined Normandy. oh cool, crewmember 'X' is with him. love that guy. oh coo-WTF? HOW DID KAIDAN GET THERE?! didn't he just die back on earth? i mean i'm…he's…i…WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN!?
…if Bioware wants to give us a bittersweet ending, just let them make sure it REALLY IS bittersweet, not a purely bitter morass of frustratingly ridiculous and badly planned plot twists. unresolved, unappealing, and unintelligible is what we got. all we wanted was a satisfying conclusion. i have enough of a fan/loyal customer's relationship with Bioware to know that such is surely not beyond their ability to provide. so why the lies about what we could expect from the ending? why the arbitrary philosophical conundrums that have no commonality with or real bearing on the tone of the ongoing plot? why stir up empty, baseless, and frantic speculation--which is only necessary because the ending you've given us is so bizarre and plot-hole filled that random speculation is our only hope of making any sense of it?
we have been lied to, cheated, and abused. that's why we ask Bioware to change the ending. not because we are being too picky, or need some lofty, unattainable ideal ending we have plotted out in our heads. simply because Bioware didn't deliver on their promises the first time, and we are ASKING nicely that they remedy their own mistake.
that is all.

(i apologize for the scattered 'logic' foisted upon you in this post in this Great Wall of text. i am on my second full day of insomnia. just wanted to air out my frustrations.)
PS-Hold the line.

[atghunter]

Good Morning, Afternoon (here), and Evening All,

Logged in for just a moment to let everyone know crazy busy day at work, so I'm not getting to thread browse today.  I will be on later though.

Nice to see from the page count that people are keeping in touch.  I look forward to catching up this evening (and answering more e-mails, of course).

Stay strong, stay passionate, stay civil, and use your voice no matter what side you choose.  As for me, beside you all I will Hold the Line!

[Sentr0]

ImaginatorX wrote...

Even if Bioware caves into making a better ending EA will make them charge for it. So as far as making money they will. I think having Shepard die isn't all bad, unless you get no choice. In DA:O you had the choice to die or live. In ME3 from what I hear Shepard can live, but it requirs a lot of effort and possibly palying multiplayer. 

Dude it's a fuc*ing 3 seconds cliffhanger... worst ending of all

PS: thread moves fast

Modifié par Sentr0, 22 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[shephard987]

ImaginatorX wrote...

Even if Bioware caves into making a better ending EA will make them charge for it. So as far as making money they will. I think having Shepard die isn't all bad, unless you get no choice. In DA:O you had the choice to die or live. In ME3 from what I hear Shepard can live, but it requirs a lot of effort and possibly palying multiplayer. 

Talking about whether the DLC will cost money is pointless.
There are an overwhelming amount of people that would pay even 15 dollars just to see the ending.
In my opinion, paying that much money for this is way better than paying for 3 maps on COD. 
What we care about is the story and that our stories get the endings they deserve.
Will we be happy about paying for the ending DLC? Some would some not. 
But will we get it? 
We'd better be.

Hold the Line

[Hazzel42]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Craven1138 wrote...
http://bitmob.com/ar...earn-its-ending - this one might be worth adding to opening post.

Wow. After spending days on these forums now I seriously didnt think any review would touch issues or raise questions I hadn't already heard of / thought about.
This one does.
Interesting take on the issue. Certainly broadened my viewpoint

You know this article actually makes good sense. The author sums up what's wrong with the ending in a refreshing manner. I have to concur since it hit most of the points I myself wanted to say but didn't know how to pull together as neatly. Hope someone at BioWare reads it :-)

[Utopianus]

GamerByt3 wrote...

incoming rambling and pointless rant about the games' ending, the validity of an argument for a REAL bittersweet ending, and why the current endings' lack of closure is truly sad.
i'd be ok with a happy ending for ME3, despite people scoffing at me for it. but i think i have a different definition of 'happy ending' then they do, when it comes to ME3. here's what i mean; even if you end the galaxy-wide war with all possible alliances forged, ultimate EMS, and 100% Galactic Readiness, the sheer and utter destruction wrought by the Reapers over the entirety their campaign has effectively removed any possibility for a "sunshine and bunnies" ending. i'm ok with that. i just want to be completely convinced of the rightness of my Shepard's cause, the worth of my efforts, and the closure experienced not just by me as a player, but in those i care about, my team-mates (despite the fact that they are entirely fictional people, but i digress. it's still important to me, as a valid and intriguing part of the story).
i say this as one of the (few?) people who romanced Kaidan, and it's ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING that the very last thing he says to you as a lover is "i can't lose you again. not a second time." (*loose paraphrase*)
now, again, this would be okay--i guess--if i felt like my sacrifice meant something, and i could have seen if he was able to move on, the galaxy will recover, all that jazz. instead, after the final push, Shepard gets to the Citadel, wonders how the hell Anderson got there AFTER her (even though the radio chatter said no one survived Harbinger's attack). then, even though he JUST SAID he "followed you up", Anderson reaches the Crucible console BEFORE Shepard, which still definitely makes no sense considering that if you look around, there seems to have been no way into the room but the way you just used to get in, and Anderson never passed Shepard on his way to the console. ignoring that, the whole TIM scene happens, which ALSO doesn't make sense given that no indoctrinated being has EVER been proven able to physically control other people, but TIM somehow forces Shepard to shoot Anderson anyway. there's Indoctrination Theory stuff on that, but i'm not getting into it here.
after that, the Heaven-Elevator happens, and everything gets even MORE nonsensical, (if i hadn't seen it myself, i'd be suspicious of anyone claiming that it could). God-Child lays out three utterly ridiculous 'choices' and demands that Shepard choose between three identical-but-different-colored light shows. each of these would cause the relays to explode, destroying all life as we know it, but more on that later. at that point, i kept expecting an Interrupt of EITHER flavor, since i was raring to tell Kid Where Exactly to Shove It. Instead, Shepard betrays me in a way she never has before, and dumbly accepts everything Lil Shiny says without question. blah blah blah, lots of exposition, bad writing, and Shepard chooses arbitrarily and dies. (OR DOES SH-actually, i'm just going to assume she dies no matter what, despite my hard-earned 7000 EMS and 100% Galactic Readiness, because AFTER WHAT JUST HAPPENED, I DON'T EVEN CARE ANY MORE.)
and while we're on that topic, the fact that the ending robs me of my ability to connect with the story at any level is simply awful, since this has never been an issue in previous ME games, or many other Bioware titles. BW is well known for their well-written and intriguing characters, and intricate and well-crafted story lines. ME3 is NO DIFFERENT--until the very end. to have connected so deeply with the characters/plot up to--but not continuing through--the ending of the game is just an utterly criminal and crippling detraction from the otherwise sterling experience provided by the entire ME franchise up to that point.
so, the Citadel explodes, the Reapers die/fly away, people cheer, relays start to explode, thereby killing all sentient life in the galaxy, except for the Normandy, which is piloted by Joker--who's inexplicably already using the Sol relay even though a second ago he was fighting with the armada to defeat the Reapers. the Normandy ends up crash-landing on the only planet left in the universe uncharred enough to support plant life.
at least Joker's alive. yay? oh cool, he's coming out of the ruined Normandy. oh cool, crewmember 'X' is with him. love that guy. oh coo-WTF? HOW DID KAIDAN GET THERE?! didn't he just die back on earth? i mean i'm…he's…i…WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN!?
…if Bioware wants to give us a bittersweet ending, just let them make sure it REALLY IS bittersweet, not a purely bitter morass of frustratingly ridiculous and badly planned plot twists. unresolved, unappealing, and unintelligible is what we got. all we wanted was a satisfying conclusion. i have enough of a fan/loyal customer's relationship with Bioware to know that such is surely not beyond their ability to provide. so why the lies about what we could expect from the ending? why the arbitrary philosophical conundrums that have no commonality with or real bearing on the tone of the ongoing plot? why stir up empty, baseless, and frantic speculation--which is only necessary because the ending you've given us is so bizarre and plot-hole filled that random speculation is our only hope of making any sense of it?
we have been lied to, cheated, and abused. that's why we ask Bioware to change the ending. not because we are being too picky, or need some lofty, unattainable ideal ending we have plotted out in our heads. simply because Bioware didn't deliver on their promises the first time, and we are ASKING nicely that they remedy their own mistake.
that is all.

(i apologize for the scattered 'logic' foisted upon you in this post in this Great Wall of text. i am on my second full day of insomnia. just wanted to air out my frustrations.)
PS-Hold the line.

Glad that you have found a place to vent your frustrations, and welcome to the line!  By the way I strongly urge you, after you have caught up with sleep and feel much better, to restructure what you had typed above and repost it at the feedback section in the forum so as to formally submit your opinions and feedback to them

[Radwar]

Have any of you atleast checked out this video:


Then check out this one, starting from 18:20


Bioware planned this all along.

[GamerByt3]

Utopianus wrote...

GamerByt3 wrote...

SNIP

…if Bioware wants to give us a bittersweet ending, just let them make sure it REALLY IS bittersweet, not a purely bitter morass of frustratingly ridiculous and badly planned plot twists. unresolved, unappealing, and unintelligible is what we got. all we wanted was a satisfying conclusion. i have enough of a fan/loyal customer's relationship with Bioware to know that such is surely not beyond their ability to provide. so why the lies about what we could expect from the ending? why the arbitrary philosophical conundrums that have no commonality with or real bearing on the tone of the ongoing plot? why stir up empty, baseless, and frantic speculation--which is only necessary because the ending you've given us is so bizarre and plot-hole filled that random speculation is our only hope of making any sense of it?
we have been lied to, cheated, and abused. that's why we ask Bioware to change the ending. not because we are being too picky, or need some lofty, unattainable ideal ending we have plotted out in our heads. simply because Bioware didn't deliver on their promises the first time, and we are ASKING nicely that they remedy their own mistake.
that is all.

(i apologize for the scattered 'logic' foisted upon you in this post in this Great Wall of text. i am on my second full day of insomnia. just wanted to air out my frustrations.)
PS-Hold the line.

Glad that you have found a place to vent your frustrations, and welcome to the line!  By the way I strongly urge you, after you have caught up with sleep and feel much better, to restructure what you had typed above and repost it at the feedback section in the forum so as to formally submit your opinions and feedback to them

thank you for the warm welcome! i would be happy to re-write this if you think it'll help the cause. any suggestions on what to change exactly? if no, i'll think of something lol. 

[izmirtheastarach]

Radwar wrote...

Have any of you atleast checked out this video:


Then check out this one, starting from 18:20


Bioware planned this all along.

I'm amazed by how different he sounds when he is not being Angry Joe.