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[Solotalento]

from twitter

http://i.imgur.com/zZfTO.jpg

Modifié par Solotalento, 22 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Enichan wrote...

To be fair, this isn't EA's fault, it's the fault from completely irresponsible media who can't be bothered fact-checking before pushing articles out to demonize gamers. So yanno, nothing new there, they've never needed EA to paint us as overly entitled, bottom feeding basement dwellers.

Many of those articles were published at the behest of EA PR. It's not like all those media orginizations actually give a crap about gamers are anything we do. They are being asked to publish articles downplaying and demonizing the upset. 

All the games as art articles are part of the same effort. Just a different approach. 

EA is behind all of it. They aren't standing on the sidelines quietly.

[Hydralysk]

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

In case you guys haven't noticed, the charity drive is winding down, apparently at the request of the Child's Play people, apparently because they've come under scrutiny due to people misunderstanding the charity and thinking the charity shares the same goals as the Retake movement.

I'm pretty sad that misinformation from media hyping this stuff up and painting us as the badguys is effectively costing sick children charity and entertainment. Figured this was pertinent to mention over on this thread, what with it all being about PR, and PR being responsible for the early shut down.

So?

Who cares about them? We should stop helping children just because they don't want us to?

Ya, we are the evil ones.

I don't think this is Child's Play's fault, they simply feel that the negative attention they've apparently been getting from being indirectly associated with us outweighs the gains of keeping it open. The people we should be mad at are the people attacking them for allowing us to donate as a group.

[ericjdev]

thoreauscabin wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

thoreauscabin wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@Xenite Please when and where did Jessica respond???

Jessica Merizan is irrelevant.

Yes, she is.  Has nothing to do with this thread.  Well, unless you count it as PR. 

Word. What purpose does she serve other than trying to put a human face on Bioware and collect feedback? No one should care about this.

Is she going to make the final decision on whether or not the end is fixed? No. She claims to collect data and feedback. Okay, so why does she need to post and tweet about it? All she has to do is collect the data (read posts) and stay quiet. There's already a stickied thread to make her job easier.

Ignore her. All she's trying to do is make people feel guilty for being upset with the ending.

She's a good person who has supported us and is vauable as an asset. The ongoing hate for her is nonsensical and counterproductive.

[jamskinner]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Enichan wrote...

In case you guys haven't noticed, the charity drive is winding down, apparently at the request of the Child's Play people, apparently because they've come under scrutiny due to people misunderstanding the charity and thinking the charity shares the same goals as the Retake movement.

I'm pretty sad that misinformation from media hyping this stuff up and painting us as the badguys is effectively costing sick children charity and entertainment. Figured this was pertinent to mention over on this thread, what with it all being about PR, and PR being responsible for the early shut down.

Why do I think EA is behind those media stories?  It seems Ea and Bioware would rather lie to fans and hurt sick kids.  I had mega corporations.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

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Modifié par jamskinner, 22 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Enichan wrote...

To be fair, this isn't EA's fault, it's the fault from completely irresponsible media who can't be bothered fact-checking before pushing articles out to demonize gamers. So yanno, nothing new there, they've never needed EA to paint us as overly entitled, bottom feeding basement dwellers.

Many of those articles were published at the behest of EA PR. It's not like all those media orginizations actually give a crap about gamers are anything we do. They are being asked to publish articles downplaying and demonizing the upset. 

All the games as art articles are part of the same effort. Just a different approach. 

EA is behind all of it. They aren't standing on the sidelines quietly.

Yeah and that just makes me sick and now I am not sure even if new ending DLC was released I would buy it.  I tell you right at this moment nothing would make me happier then to see EA and Bioware go bankrupt and the people at the top begging for change on the streets.  Hurting sick kids as PR tactic is the lowest thing you can do.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.
Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[Spirea]

jess05 wrote...

Fox News reporting on it now.

 http://www.foxnews.c...r-furious-fans/

Not saying much though.

Fox News... that speaks for itself.

"furious fans" or "It's like if 'Star Wars' ended with the deaths of Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia. For the love of God, give us a nice ending."


They are good at picking these provocative things. Most of the articles written by people who have played the game are missing our point. We don't necesserily want happy ending, but rather something that makes sence and reflects our choices through Mass Effect games.

[Apathy1989]

mi_dad wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

http://bitmob.com/ar...earn-its-ending

Absolute must read.  I dont think I could have said any better myself.  Says everything we have been saying to bioware all along.  Hell I am half tempted to email this article to as many people at bioware as I can.

It is a good point. I hadn't really considered it.

ME series has had big issues, but its always been possible to save everyone if you wished. It was a series were genocide and meaning of life came around often, but somehow it was kept in the background. I only thought about these issues after playing the game, not during. During it was just entertainment.

And then ME3 starts with the attack on earth. I have to be honest, despite knowing what was going to happen, I didn't feel any emotional response to earth being destroyed, or seeing the kid. It all seemed to happen too fast, and I wasn't in the 'zone' to react to these issues.

The ME3 ending of sacrifice and death does fit well within the game, but not the series. However I always expected to have the choice to live or die, and was thoroughly annoyed that I was not presented with it.

[jess05]

If you read it though, they just made metion of it and quoted the London Times.

They fact they made mention of it however means they may actually report themselves.

[ericjdev]

Enichan wrote...

To be fair, this isn't EA's fault, it's the fault from completely irresponsible media who can't be bothered fact-checking before pushing articles out to demonize gamers. So yanno, nothing new there, they've never needed EA to paint us as overly entitled, bottom feeding basement dwellers.

Yeah, this can't be layed at EAs door, the whole evil corporation controlling the media spin is BS.

[shephard987]

Another article worthy of a read.
PLEASE COMMENT IN A CIVIL AND POLITE MANNER.
SHOW THEM OUR VOICE IS NOT A MINORITY THAT CAN BE BRUSHED OFF.

http://splitkick.com...ed-video-games/

Keep steady

Hold the Line

[Apathy1989]

Spirea wrote...

jess05 wrote...

Fox News reporting on it now.

 http://www.foxnews.c...r-furious-fans/

Not saying much though.

Fox News... that speaks for itself.

"furious fans" or "It's like if 'Star Wars' ended with the deaths of Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia. For the love of God, give us a nice ending."


They are good at picking these provocative things. Most of the articles written by people who have played the game are missing our point. We don't necesserily want happy ending, but rather something that makes sence and reflects our choices through Mass Effect games.

I think explaining to the general public that gamers want a logical and sensible ending would blow the minds of their readers. We are immature children, remember?

[izmirtheastarach]

ericjdev wrote...

She's a good person who has supported us and is vauable as an asset. The ongoing hate for her is nonsensical and counterproductive.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The outward facing part of Jessica's job is pretty obvious. To keep people happy, engaged, and talking about the game. All her twitter responses are geared towards this. There is really nothing to it. That part of her job is incredibly simple.

"Hope that's a good thing! What was your favorite moment in the game? "
"The reception has been soooo great! This fact alone is motivating! Stay tuned! "
"Thanks for the support! Glad you enjoyed it. Stay tuned for any news going forward.  "

There is really nothing nerfarious here. It's not corporate PR, it's a very innocent form of community mangement.

The inward facing part of her job is apparently to collect and organize our feedback. That's the part we want her on our side for. So treating her poorly really accomplishes nothing.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 22 mars 2012 - 09:36 .

[LdyBelial]

thoreauscabin wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

thoreauscabin wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@Xenite Please when and where did Jessica respond???

Jessica Merizan is irrelevant.

Yes, she is.  Has nothing to do with this thread.  Well, unless you count it as PR. 

Word. What purpose does she serve other than trying to put a human face on Bioware and collect feedback? No one should care about this.

Is she going to make the final decision on whether or not the end is fixed? No. She claims to collect data and feedback. Okay, so why does she need to post and tweet about it? All she has to do is collect the data (read posts) and stay quiet. There's already a stickied thread to make her job easier.

Ignore her. All she's trying to do is make people feel guilty for being upset with the ending.

It worked on me yesterday.  I felt terrible for what I felt we had
somehow done to her... even though I am not quite sure what it was that
was done? 

[Enichan]

Solotalento wrote...

from twitter

http://i.imgur.com/zZfTO.jpg

Pretty double speak-ish, they can still claim "we never said we weren't, either, though". But this is pretty much why my concerns are not alleviated whatsoever by Doc's apology post. Adding a bit of elaboration and epilogue won't fix the ending, and I certainly won't be shelling out money for it.

[Apathy1989]

Solotalento wrote...

from twitter

http://i.imgur.com/zZfTO.jpg

So many media outlets are saying they are, its going to be hard to go back.

[GamerByt3]

Solotalento wrote...

from twitter

http://i.imgur.com/zZfTO.jpg

SERIOUSLY?! WTF?

[izmirtheastarach]

Enichan wrote...

Pretty double speak-ish, they can still claim "we never said we weren't, either, though". But this is pretty much why my concerns are not alleviated whatsoever by Doc's apology post. Adding a bit of elaboration and epilogue won't fix the ending, and I certainly won't be shelling out money for it.

I don't think that is double-speak. I think they are literally saying that they are not changing the ending. Dr. Senior Vice President and General Manager of the BioWare Label of Electronic Arts's statement was full of double-speak, but at no point does it claim that the ending will be changed. As other have pointed out, Bioware seems to think all we want is more closure.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Yeah gamers are children but people who paint their nude bodies and go out in public and get into fights over who can take a ball to an end zone the most times in an hour are so grown up and mature.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[Radwar]

Oh for crying out loud! The upcoming DLC is the real ending DLC Bioware has been working on for some time now. Want proof? 

Check out this video starting at 18:20


Also check out this video and you'll "get it".

Modifié par Radwar, 22 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[ericjdev]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Enichan wrote...

Pretty double speak-ish, they can still claim "we never said we weren't, either, though". But this is pretty much why my concerns are not alleviated whatsoever by Doc's apology post. Adding a bit of elaboration and epilogue won't fix the ending, and I certainly won't be shelling out money for it.

I don't think that is double-speak. I think they are literally saying that they are not changing the ending. Dr. Senior Vice President and General Manager of the BioWare Label of Electronic Arts's statement was full of double-speak, but at no point does it claim that the ending will be changed. As other have pointed out, Bioware seems to think all we want is more closure.

That's exactly how I'm reading it.

[Carnage752]

Hydralysk wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

In case you guys haven't noticed, the charity drive is winding down, apparently at the request of the Child's Play people, apparently because they've come under scrutiny due to people misunderstanding the charity and thinking the charity shares the same goals as the Retake movement.

I'm pretty sad that misinformation from media hyping this stuff up and painting us as the badguys is effectively costing sick children charity and entertainment. Figured this was pertinent to mention over on this thread, what with it all being about PR, and PR being responsible for the early shut down.

So?

Who cares about them? We should stop helping children just because they don't want us to?

Ya, we are the evil ones.

I don't think this is Child's Play's fault, they simply feel that the negative attention they've apparently been getting from being indirectly associated with us outweighs the gains of keeping it open. The people we should be mad at are the people attacking them for allowing us to donate as a group.

I'm not mad at them. I'm mad at the people who wanted it closed to avoid us "using it" for a good PR. Ya, we give back to the community, we are totally evil.

[izmirtheastarach]

Apathy1989 wrote...

So many media outlets are saying they are, its going to be hard to go back.

See, this is one spot where the media may actually be helping us. By misreporting what Bioware says, they are making it look like they have said they will "fix" the ending, which is not really what they said.

[LdyBelial]

Solotalento wrote...

from twitter

http://i.imgur.com/zZfTO.jpg

No, they never said they were going to change the ending.  The blog post specifically said they were going to "clarify" it.  

We can assume that means they think those us of who want new endings are too stupid to understand the one we got.  They will keep their ending but explain it to us.  I honestly don't need an explanation, I got the ending.  I just think it isn't fitting for the series.  It is a complete dichotomy of everything else the series was about.

[MattFini]

LdyBelial wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

from twitter

http://i.imgur.com/zZfTO.jpg

No, they never said they were going to change the ending.  The blog post specifically said they were going to "clarify" it.  

We can assume that means they think those us of who want new endings are too stupid to understand the one we got.  They will keep their ending but explain it to us.  I honestly don't need an explanation, I got the ending.  I just think it isn't fitting for the series.  It is a complete dichotomy of everything else the series was about.

And that Twitter account is also referring everyone who hated the ending to Dr. Ray's statement from yesterday.

Defiitely leads me to believe they think this is all about clarification, which is hilarious.  No about of clarification will make the horrible StarChild work.