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[Half_Moon]

People4Peace wrote...

Xandax wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

MouseNo4 wrote...

I want what all you guys want. I want a better ending. But the fact is they wont give us a better or alternate ending. Ever. The sooner you guys just accept that the sooner this pointless thread(s) will stop clogging up the forums.

The endings are exactly how the writers envisioned them to be - perhaps displayed in different ways but essentially, the story is the same. No author will just accept a major alteration in THEIR story based on internet QQ.

If the company's survival is at stake they will do it...

I most certainly do not think Bioware's survival is at stake at all.

But it is perhaps the next major shift away from their traditional customers into the new segment they obviously want. And question then is - whether that new segment is more loyal or fickle than those of us who've been playing Bioware games for a decade.
And that in turn could mean a much lesser role for Bioware within the EA umbrealla which then in turn will mean a diminished roll in the industry as a large.

Loyality takes a long time to build up but can be ruined very fast; and for me - Bioware is at a turning point now. I followed them into DA2 while clearly seeing the flaws because of loyalty - will I follow them out of ME3? I'm doubtful right now.
And I'm sure I'm not alone in this aspect.

I completely agree. Many of us are in the exact same situation.

It also calls in to question Bioware's credibility and ability to deliver a satisfying conclusion to a game.

If they advertise a game with rich branching storylines where your decisions can be taken in wildy varying directions and then deliver something that is a total antithesis to that, then you being to lose faith in their brand.

How would you know their next game will be as advertised? As a consumer, can you believe that they'll be able deliver to you a satisfying experience? An experience with a conclusion that makes sense? Can you trust them to give that to you after the ending of Mass Effect 3?

[duhflushtech]

Ah, screw it. I'm in.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Who wants to help me build a memorial for Maruader Shields?

[Jack_Forest]

arg0s5 wrote...

Reducing the various plotpoints and progressions from ME1, ME2, then reducing it to endings that sound good in writing but not in execution...

You mean, introducing the endings that looked good in Deus Ex <_<

Modifié par Jack_Forest, 17 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[II Durbin II]

Part of the whole problem with games these days is the "corporate" issue. "Games" are being made by "corporations" and not gamers. It's all be come huge business and lost it's soul because of it.

[Annaleah]

Subscribing to this thread!
I WANT TO STAY INFORMED!

[toots1221]

Half_Moon wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

Xandax wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

MouseNo4 wrote...

I want what all you guys want. I want a better ending. But the fact is they wont give us a better or alternate ending. Ever. The sooner you guys just accept that the sooner this pointless thread(s) will stop clogging up the forums.

The endings are exactly how the writers envisioned them to be - perhaps displayed in different ways but essentially, the story is the same. No author will just accept a major alteration in THEIR story based on internet QQ.

If the company's survival is at stake they will do it...

I most certainly do not think Bioware's survival is at stake at all.

But it is perhaps the next major shift away from their traditional customers into the new segment they obviously want. And question then is - whether that new segment is more loyal or fickle than those of us who've been playing Bioware games for a decade.
And that in turn could mean a much lesser role for Bioware within the EA umbrealla which then in turn will mean a diminished roll in the industry as a large.

Loyality takes a long time to build up but can be ruined very fast; and for me - Bioware is at a turning point now. I followed them into DA2 while clearly seeing the flaws because of loyalty - will I follow them out of ME3? I'm doubtful right now.
And I'm sure I'm not alone in this aspect.

I completely agree. Many of us are in the exact same situation.

It also calls in to question Bioware's credibility and ability to deliver a satisfying conclusion to a game.

If they advertise a game with rich branching storylines where your decisions can be taken in wildy varying directions and then deliver something that is a total antithesis to that, then you being to lose faith in their brand.

How would you know their next game will be as advertised? As a consumer, can you believe that they'll be able deliver to you a satisfying experience? An experience with a conclusion that makes sense? Can you trust them to give that to you after the ending of Mass Effect 3?

I agree with this. I pre-ordered an $80 game because I trusted Bioware when they said that they would make the ending satisfying, that it would answer my questions, and that my choices would matter. In the end none of that turned out to be true. I doubt I'll ever be able to trust Bioware enough to pre-order a game again.

[bobito64]

Thaks for the ifo atghunter. Very interesting.

Modifié par bobito64, 17 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[Diablos2525]

Bioware/Ea have a professional team of liars, don't get me wrong I'm sure there's a lot of good hearted people working at Bioware who work really hard to make amazing games. Ultimately though, good guys finish last and the people who run the show only care about money. These greedy fellows hire professional liars, aka marketing people, to hype up their products. Not saying Silverman is one of them but the guy rubs me the wrong way. I think a lot of people who work for Bioware/EA aren't so concerned with quality or their consumers as they are with money. ALA the rushed Dragon Age 2, day one DLC, etc.

And if the excuse is that Mass effect 3's production budget was huge and they needed the money, then many of us would have donated to them if they asked, or they could have raised the price of the game even. Or printed more collector's editions, which I bought.

Modifié par Diablos2525, 17 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

bump

[arg0s5]

Jack_Forest wrote...

arg0s5 wrote...

Reducing the various plotpoints and progressions from ME1, ME2, then reducing it to endings that sound good in writing but not in execution...

You mean, introducing the endings that looked good in Deus Ex <_<

At least the endings in Deus Ex were compilation of clips in media during human history, that were organized separate from one another to match the theme in reflection of your decision. That was powerful.

I mean... did you see this?
 

Its like 80% the same ending reel, spliced at different intervals. With a hue change!!!

[wickermoon]

toots1221 wrote...

I agree with this. I pre-ordered an $80 game because I trusted Bioware when they said that they would make the ending satisfying, that it would answer my questions, and that my choices would matter. In the end none of that turned out to be true. I doubt I'll ever be able to trust Bioware enough to pre-order a game again.

I'll never be able to trust Bioware enough to buy one of their games again. Because from now on I would have to wait until someone finishes the game and tells me that it won't be disappointing and that the advertisement hasn't been a lie. Of course, releasing a DLC that fixes this issue with ME3 would at least give me security that they would do so again, or that they'll think about what kind of ending to put out there for future games. But until that happens, I won't buy anything BW related.

[Balrogen4]

6 days ago since I beat the game, still raging inside.

[panamakira]

This is a really good post. More people should read this. Something valuable to get educated by in our Capitalist driven society.

[Diablos2525]

II Durbin II wrote...

Part of the whole problem with games these days is the "corporate" issue. "Games" are being made by "corporations" and not gamers. It's all be come huge business and lost it's soul because of it.

Pretty much this is how the world is trending, how many people go to little Coffee shops or Farmer's markets as opposed to Tim Hortons and Supermarkets. All the little people, all the people who care are being driven out of buisness, and the quality of the products we consume is degrading as a result.

[Diablos2525]

panamakira wrote...

This is a really good post. More people should read this. Something valuable to get educated by in our Capitalist driven society.

I think there's a lot of things wrong with Capitalism, but to be fair you can't say we live in a purely Capitalist society. We live in a hybrid Marxist/Socialist/Capitalist society. I hate all of those political philosophies equally. Remember Marx saw Capitalism as the necessary pre-cursor to Socialism. Sorry to upset your black and white view of the world. All these philosophies really come down to screwing over the average person.

[Myxyplyxxx]

Thanks Bachuck and atghunter for shedding some light on what happens behind the curtains. It's a depressing but unsurprising read.

[arg0s5]

Diablos2525 wrote...

II Durbin II wrote...

Part of the whole problem with games these days is the "corporate" issue. "Games" are being made by "corporations" and not gamers. It's all be come huge business and lost it's soul because of it.

Pretty much this is how the world is trending, how many people go to little Coffee shops or Farmer's markets as opposed to Tim Hortons and Supermarkets. All the little people, all the people who care are being driven out of buisness, and the quality of the products we consume is degrading as a result.

Yeah, it sucks. A lot of amazing game developers are being screwed by corporations. If anyone has worked in a corporation, no matter what industry... they know how much inane politics and deception goes around.

[Necroscope]

Indoctrination wrote...

The issue here is that it's a complete lie. I mean no disrespect sir, but people at your company are receiving a green light from someone at marketing to blatantly lie about the contents of the products your company is developing. Who is responsible for this? If you want us to believe you're really not running PR spin at us, then let's hear a straight answer for these shameless lies that occured during the marketing period. Thank you.

I'm also interested in an answer to this question.

[NekoPanOnline]

Novouto wrote...

MouseNo4 wrote...

I want what all you guys want. I want a better ending. But the fact is they wont give us a better or alternate ending. Ever. The sooner you guys just accept that the sooner this pointless thread(s) will stop clogging up the forums.

The endings are exactly how the writers envisioned them to be - perhaps displayed in different ways but essentially, the story is the same. No author will just accept a major alteration in THEIR story based on internet QQ.

The nature of these games makes your argument flawed. They are OUR stories now. And they railroaded us into three terrible endings.

Im sorry but i don't see any of our names in the credits, they are not our stories, we played and picked our pathes from from pre determined cause and effect chains written by bw, yes they all led to stinky nothingness but oh well :/ besides endings are kinda what reapers always said salvation through destruction, whatever new life comes wont have to worry about reapers

[arg0s5]

Diablos2525 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

This is a really good post. More people should read this. Something valuable to get educated by in our Capitalist driven society.

I think there's a lot of things wrong with Capitalism, but to be fair you can't say we live in a purely Capitalist society. We live in a hybrid Marxist/Socialist/Capitalist society. I hate all of those political philosophies equally. Remember Marx saw Capitalism as the necessary pre-cursor to Socialism. Sorry to upset your black and white view of the world. All these philosophies really come down to screwing over the average person.

Fantastic. I love that you brought the Marxist/Socialist/Capitalist society up. Very much a reflection of the cyber-punk dystopia that is owned by corporations.

[Baihu1983]

How the hell can they say they gave us an uplifting ending?

[arg0s5]

NekoPanOnline wrote...

Novouto wrote...

MouseNo4 wrote...

I want what all you guys want. I want a better ending. But the fact is they wont give us a better or alternate ending. Ever. The sooner you guys just accept that the sooner this pointless thread(s) will stop clogging up the forums.

The endings are exactly how the writers envisioned them to be - perhaps displayed in different ways but essentially, the story is the same. No author will just accept a major alteration in THEIR story based on internet QQ.

The nature of these games makes your argument flawed. They are OUR stories now. And they railroaded us into three terrible endings.

Im sorry but i don't see any of our names in the credits, they are not our stories, we played and picked our pathes from from pre determined cause and effect chains written by bw, yes they all led to stinky nothingness but oh well :/ besides endings are kinda what reapers always said salvation through destruction, whatever new life comes wont have to worry about reapers

This is exactly why you don't give up in a public outcry. If you stop and let go, you are showing that corporations can squash your desires. Bioware was once an amazing company... but this has corporate control written all over it.

[Tylea002]

Whilst this is probably true in a PR sense, in that they still want to sell as many games as possible, regardless of what anyone thinks as the ending, it's a very cynical view, and gives no credit to the good folks at Bioware. In the Mass Effect series alone, they have created a universe and a story that's moved me more than any other video game. By a long shot, not every creative decision in those games has been made for better sales, otherwise we would not have recieved the games we did. Mass Effect has always been progressing towards more mainstream audiences WITHOUT sacrificing it's old one. So yes, the PR will be moving in a way that PR does, to ensure maximum sales occur.

However the core creative team at Bioware is one that doesn't deserve the distrust of everyone - of course they're listening, and will take this feedback onboard with DLC. Whether they actually change the endings or go with the indoctrination theory is another matter, but with a billion people yelling right here in their yard, they will have heard fans voices. Try not to forget that as a fan, you are angry about all this stuff because of your love for the amazing universe, amazing characters, and amazing games. Turning the people that made them against you and accusing them of being heartless is undeserved.

[panamakira]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Most of these things you see as olive branches aren't that at all. They are part of the already planned launch period of ME3 (Star Wars I can't speak for). The N7 MP weekend was planned some time ago - before the ending situation came to light. Not everything revolves around this controversy. It's just unfortunate timing. Same goes for the recent strategy videos for example - we filmed those weeks ago. I think Corey and Eric did a great job in them and was dismayed at the vitriol in the YouTube comments.

You're complaints are being heard, and considered and discussed etc, but I wouldn't read so much into some of the marketing stuff we're doing. I know a lot of you won't buy that - i cant "prove it" - but I've actually always been honest with you guys all the way back to ME1. Operation Goliath is an event we planned because the multiplayer is really fun, and we want to engage the players with it (i just completed the challenge tonight myself!). Of course we had events and releases planned for the week after launch-week. There are no nefarious scheming evil meetings on this topic. We take it seriously, and are discussing it internally. Nobody is happy or dismissive about the fan reaction, at BioWare. Quite the opposite really. These are good people who care deeply about the work they do.

I would suggest patience but not sure there's receptiveness to that at this point.

Guess that's all I wanted to say for now. Have a good night/weekend.

By the way thank you for taking some time to address us directly. It's hard to control what's happening right now. To say the least, we just didn't see those endings coming and many of us both here in BSN and outside of it are just very much dissappointed with them but at the same time do not dicredit the rest of the game/series which were amazing.

I will try to keep patient and hopefully the rest of us do too awaiting a more definitive response but know that we will continue to share our unhappiness with the endings, at least in a rational civil matter, because we know Bioware could have delivered much better than what we got. We wouldn't be THIS upset if we didn't love the amazing world Bioware created. We have faith you will listen to us and care enough to do something about it.

Cheers!