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[Pepitobenito]

I was definitely thinking about giving multiplayer a shot after playing through single player at least once, perhaps twice.

I sure as hell will not be renewing my XBL gold for this, nor touching multiplayer, any DLC or Bioware product until this 'ending' is addressed in some way. Yes, I personally do buy the indoctrination theory, but that just makes it an incomplete ending, rather than bad or sloppy.

Line being held, right here in Canada.

[Fulgrim88]

sorentoft wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Peete wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...


There's no voodoo at work here - I'm just sitting on my couch reading this on my iPad, it has been a difficult week, I'm very tired.

Mr. Lee
You mentioned it's been a difficult week. Out of curiosity, why has it been a difficult week?

Again out of curiosity, and if you don't mind me asking are you a (just) forum moderater or one of the developers?

Im the senior marketing guy....one of them. Have been for the whole franchise really. I can't tell if your question is serious or if yer messing with me  the fan reaction is difficult to watch, after all the hard work basically. I'm not a moderator really, just an employee.

I can imagine. I just wish people would keep this civil. We complain because we care, not because we intend to be mean - at least some of us. For me Bioware has been a company I can trust to deliver a quality gaming experience for some time now, but the ending of ME3 just shook that trust at its very foundation. I think a lot of people are probably asking themselves how this could be overlooked or what went wrong. The ending however does not take away the fact that Mass Effect is a great game, probably game of the year if the endings gets fixed - at least in my book. One of the reasons the reaction is so strong is because the game was so damn good up until the last 10 minutes, I am not kidding you. But even then people that put their trust into Bioware as excellent developers feel genuinely betrayed because we did not get what we were promised (I am sure you are aware of the 'no abc ending' quote). And honestly I don't blame them.

Here is a question. Why would we go into this uproar if we did not care about ME and Bioware?

This.

You can only ever get angry about things you truly care about.
If something or someone doesn't matter to you, you shrug and move on.

Mass Effect however...

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 17 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[EpicHam]

I approve

[Solid N7]

Indoctrination wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Im the senior marketing guy....one of them. Have been for the whole franchise really.

So were you the one who approved this statement?: http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about  eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming  to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more  different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.

The issue here is that it's a complete lie. I mean no disrespect sir, but people at your company are receiving a green light from someone at marketing to blatantly lie about the contents of the products your company is developing. Who is responsible for this? If you want us to believe you're really not running PR spin at us, then let's hear a straight answer for these shameless lies that occured during the marketing period. Thank you.

I also want an answer Mr.  Lee

[wikkedjester]

Necroscope wrote...

wikkedjester wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Most of these things you see as olive branches aren't that at all. They are part of the already planned launch period of ME3 (Star Wars I can't speak for). The N7 MP weekend was planned some time ago - before the ending situation came to light. Not everything revolves around this controversy. It's just unfortunate timing. Same goes for the recent strategy videos for example - we filmed those weeks ago. I think Corey and Eric did a great job in them and was dismayed at the vitriol in the YouTube comments.

You're complaints are being heard, and considered and discussed etc, but I wouldn't read so much into some of the marketing stuff we're doing. I know a lot of you won't buy that - i cant "prove it" - but I've actually always been honest with you guys all the way back to ME1. Operation Goliath is an event we planned because the multiplayer is really fun, and we want to engage the players with it (i just completed the challenge tonight myself!). Of course we had events and releases planned for the week after launch-week. There are no nefarious scheming evil meetings on this topic. We take it seriously, and are discussing it internally. Nobody is happy or dismissive about the fan reaction, at BioWare. Quite the opposite really. These are good people who care deeply about the work they do.

I would suggest patience but not sure there's receptiveness to that at this point.

Guess that's all I wanted to say for now. Have a good night/weekend.

Thank you for your posts Mr. Jarrett, I guess what we all want to know is, what is the state of the office then? If our complaints are being accounted for and there is at least an internal monologue, that is turning into an external dialogue, what are, and I mean realistically, what are the options your guys are looking at, if any at all?

As a PR guy with a big public event coming up for Bioware in the form of PAX, you more than anyone should understand the nightmare that could result in. Instead of a discussion about Bioware, Mass Effect Dragon Age, it becomes a discussion about the end of Mass Effect 3 and what your planning on doing about it, and that’s it.   

Unless this is the plan, and your showing how nice You/Bioware/EA can be now, and how rabid the fans will be then, to be able to shrug us the fans off as the bad guy.

I know that sounds paranoid, but at this point it is what it is. This is a war of attrition, right now you are the enemy, think the worst, hope for the best, and always Hold the Line.

We have no delusions that  the games ending will change, we want it, but we don’t think it will happen. However it is on you/Bioware/EA to sell us your next game(s) in correcting this ‘oversight’. Showing us you care about what you make, and how people view the quality  your products. ME3 was on shaky ground with a lot of people after Dragon Age 2, and even now Dragon Age 3 is off a lot of people buy list. ( working in game retail, I get the brunt of face to face that you don’t.)  Don’t cement that and possibly the death nail in your studio by inaction.

BioWare hasn’t been as good as it once was, in this current generation, ME1 was amazing, but something happened ,you’ve never made a game like that since. Even Dragon Age: Origins was a slap in the face, with the in game DLC prompt. You guys need to take a step back and figure out how to work in the confines of this new gen of DLC and mainstream accessibility. Maybe like the Halo guys over at 343I you need to take a look back at your roots, and remember that not every game needs to be Call of Duty, or dubbed down for the general population.     

Thank you for your time.
-Criss

Wise words.

Thank you.

*Notices I misspelled dumb feels like an idiot, blames auto correct.*

Modifié par wikkedjester, 17 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[pablosplinter]

Great read

[arg0s5]

I think Bioware/EA should keep in mind... its not so much just the endings that were disappointing... its that pretty much I can do the bare minimum in ME1 and ME2... and all I'm doing is racking up a galactic score chart in the end. I'm tired. G'night people.

Vegeta, how much Galactic Power do we need to beat Marauder Shields?!

OVER 5000!!!

[Dessalines]

Great read

[arg0s5]

wikkedjester wrote...

Necroscope wrote...

wikkedjester wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Most of these things you see as olive branches aren't that at all. They are part of the already planned launch period of ME3 (Star Wars I can't speak for). The N7 MP weekend was planned some time ago - before the ending situation came to light. Not everything revolves around this controversy. It's just unfortunate timing. Same goes for the recent strategy videos for example - we filmed those weeks ago. I think Corey and Eric did a great job in them and was dismayed at the vitriol in the YouTube comments.

You're complaints are being heard, and considered and discussed etc, but I wouldn't read so much into some of the marketing stuff we're doing. I know a lot of you won't buy that - i cant "prove it" - but I've actually always been honest with you guys all the way back to ME1. Operation Goliath is an event we planned because the multiplayer is really fun, and we want to engage the players with it (i just completed the challenge tonight myself!). Of course we had events and releases planned for the week after launch-week. There are no nefarious scheming evil meetings on this topic. We take it seriously, and are discussing it internally. Nobody is happy or dismissive about the fan reaction, at BioWare. Quite the opposite really. These are good people who care deeply about the work they do.

I would suggest patience but not sure there's receptiveness to that at this point.

Guess that's all I wanted to say for now. Have a good night/weekend.

Thank you for your posts Mr. Jarrett, I guess what we all want to know is, what is the state of the office then? If our complaints are being accounted for and there is at least an internal monologue, that is turning into an external dialogue, what are, and I mean realistically, what are the options your guys are looking at, if any at all?

As a PR guy with a big public event coming up for Bioware in the form of PAX, you more than anyone should understand the nightmare that could result in. Instead of a discussion about Bioware, Mass Effect Dragon Age, it becomes a discussion about the end of Mass Effect 3 and what your planning on doing about it, and that’s it.   

Unless this is the plan, and your showing how nice You/Bioware/EA can be now, and how rabid the fans will be then, to be able to shrug us the fans off as the bad guy.

I know that sounds paranoid, but at this point it is what it is. This is a war of attrition, right now you are the enemy, think the worst, hope for the best, and always Hold the Line.

We have no delusions that  the games ending will change, we want it, but we don’t think it will happen. However it is on you/Bioware/EA to sell us your next game(s) in correcting this ‘oversight’. Showing us you care about what you make, and how people view the quality  your products. ME3 was on shaky ground with a lot of people after Dragon Age 2, and even now Dragon Age 3 is off a lot of people buy list. ( working in game retail, I get the brunt of face to face that you don’t.)  Don’t cement that and possibly the death nail in your studio by inaction.

BioWare hasn’t been as good as it once was, in this current generation, ME1 was amazing, but something happened ,you’ve never made a game like that since. Even Dragon Age: Origins was a slap in the face, with the in game DLC prompt. You guys need to take a step back and figure out how to work in the confines of this new gen of DLC and mainstream accessibility. Maybe like the Halo guys over at 343I you need to take a look back at your roots, and remember that not every game needs to be Call of Duty, or dubbed down for the general population.     

Thank you for your time.
-Criss

Wise words.

Thank you.

*Notices I misspelled dumb feels like an idiot, blames auto correct.*

PERFECT!

[zeck225]

Hold the Line!

[ThatGuy777]

While I think now it is clear that there is no secret "ACTUAL ending" coming, I think the author's words here at the start of this thread are highly accurate as to what Bioware is really doing at the moment. I think the ME3 writers convinced the producers that the story was a piece of "art", a claim that has now blown up in Bioware's face. Personally I believe they have been shocked to realise that their ending is HATED by a large majority of the game's long-term customers, and now they have to figure out how to get out of the mess they have made.


While our theories of hallucination and indoctrination may not be true, we should NOT give up hoping for some FREE epilogue or clarification DLC! Hold the line!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Baihu1983 wrote...

How the hell can they say they gave us an uplifting ending?

They don't have to give us an uplifting ending. They should have given us an ending that MADE SENSE. Not one where in order to retain our individuality and stop the cycle of harvesting, we have to blow up the fraking galaxy. But better a dark age that last a thousand years than the alternatives. But wait.... what else doesn't make sense is that the resources are almost all used up... so it looks like hunting with spears and gathering nuts for the rest of eternity. The sad part is that there actually are going to be survivors. Should have made the explosions bigger to just make the Milky Way completely dark.

[magica87]

Modifié par magica87, 17 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[beefghost]

Not going to let this go.

[Majusbeh]

Hold the line guys!
Let's hope for a better ending or better, an overall better fight to take bake earth!

[Metathron80]

Holding the line in germany, so many constuctive post in this thread!

[MeldarthX]

As I've been saying........

We are making history here - too long gamers have been looked down upon; called names - and many other things. We are not; nor are we elitest snobs. We are customers; we are Consumers.....

The gaming companies are only around because of us. We write their paychecks. Too long have they shovelled crap towards us and say you got to take it...

We are not going to; not anymore.......This series deserves an ending fit of it; as do the the fans and consumers of this series.......

HOLD THE LINE

[magica87]

Daverid wrote...

magica87 wrote...

I
apologize to all, I'm not a native English speaker and I struggle to
understand many words. I wanted to ask you at a glance: the words of
Casey Hudson and Jessica Merizan may actually be a starting point to
hope for something?

Regardless of what they said, Never give up Hope.

Hope
is what's driving this cause ... And Hope is what will make it Prevail.
It's like we're all Commanders Shepards, Refusing to be turned into
Mindless Machines

Ok thanks! this is exactly what I was thinking! [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Yusta1 wrote...

Hold the line!
Di qui non si passa!

Eccome se non si passa! (sei italiano yusta?)

[Solid N7]

hold the line!!!!

[SLana]

First Shepard unites the Galaxy, now Shepard unites so much people from all over the world - isn't it worth a little miracle?

[magica87]

SLana wrote...

First Shepard unites the Galaxy, now Shepard unites so much people from all over the world - isn't it worth a little miracle?

all right if it's worth it!

[GSS115]

MeldarthX wrote...

As I've been saying........

We are making history here - too long gamers have been looked down upon; called names - and many other things. We are not; nor are we elitest snobs. We are customers; we are Consumers.....

The gaming companies are only around because of us. We write their paychecks. Too long have they shovelled crap towards us and say you got to take it...

We are not going to; not anymore.......This series deserves an ending fit of it; as do the the fans and consumers of this series.......

HOLD THE LINE

I agree.  If Bioware was more for the game than we wouldn't be talking about this mess.  Nothing against the people that worked on ME3, they worked hard.  But this is a case of false advertising (not the legal kind).  These "endings" are completely inappropriate for the Mass Effect series where choice determins the outcome.  I hope the indoctrination story is true, but as of now it's all a theory.

Modifié par GSS115, 17 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[curufinwe03]

SLana wrote...

First Shepard unites the Galaxy, now Shepard unites so much people from all over the world - isn't it worth a little miracle?

Yeah, let's hope they don't plan to nail Shepard on a cross in a future DLC

[XPMUser]

HOLD THE LINE!

[wikkedjester]

I also want to say I understand why the ME team is not quick to capitulate on this issue. If they do it would mean that every time a vocal fan base didn’t like something they did, it could snow ball into a movement. Do they Hold There Line, and say No artistic integrity, or do they cave and fear the Reaper every time they create a game? A health dose of both wouldn’t hurt.

A bittersweet compromise would be paid DLC.

Fans would no doubt rage, but they could have their ending. As a company they need to have a bit of a back bone when it comes to fan demands, look at the state of Halo Reach’s multiplayer, in an attempt to appeal to a more casual CoD audience, they dumb down the entire thing, because fan feed back, now 343 is trying to fix it, and they are doing their best, because what people got wasn’t what they wanted, and both are unplayable.

We understand as fans that there is a time and place for the company to Hold the Line, however I believe it is in Biowares best interest to compromise with the fans, in a way that no one comes out happy, but everyone gets what they want/need. An odd concept but trust me this is something married life has taught me well.