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[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

justlogme wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

It does not directly fund revenue to the company

No, but it does show EA/BioWare that people are still playing their game. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If your going to commit, then fully commit. Stop playing the game altogether. This half-assed bulls**t I see from this "movement" is sickening.

   Agreed with this, though we should be civil and respect those that just can't help themselves and must play MP. The point being every hold the line person that does play in the MP event will be counted a a angry fan that will in the end buy future Bioware products no matter what they say as they simply can't even hold back from a weekend event. ie throw them a faux peace offering and they are back in biowares pocket no matter how much they may complain otherwise.
   Also to point out big brother is watching if you got ME3 via origins then they know if your still playing or not.

I beg to differ. I've said it before, but will again: I'll take what I can get. They wanna give me free stuff? Fine. And I'm quite content playing multiplayer.

I was thinking of actually throwing money into some spectre packs, but every time I'm tempted, I just remember how horrible the ending was, and forget it. Where there's one, there are probably others. Not everyone playing MP right now will *keep* throwing money at BW. MP costs nothing but time.

In fact, if you really want to affect change, I say we should all be playing multiplayer avidly! It's a great way to meet people who also play ME3, and then, talk about how bad the ending was. If you see people with new MP characters purchased from DLC, ask them why the heck they spent MORE money when BW/EA is behaving so.

MP might be one ofthe best ways to keep the heat up and people mad...or perplexed...or disgruntled...or...yeah. Stuff.

My god people don't understand. They are tracking the amount of people who play Multiplayer. The more who play, the more they think their game was a success, so the more they dismiss the "movement" as just a small group of upset fans. But go ahead people, be a double standard. Say you hate their game and want it fixed while at the same time playing that very game!

Yeah they are doing this so when Ea and their stockholder start asking question next week about the price cut and DLc not selling as well they can say "hey look at all the people playing Multiplayer and TOR,it's just a small number of noisy people and it will blow over in a week or two" and then those two groups will stop paying attention and they will not have to give us what they told us we were getting.

Please people don't fall for this.  Victory is really close that is why we keep getting PR spin don't give them the ammo they need to win this thing at the 11th hour.  Boycott all EA and Bioware products and that includes Multiplayer and TOR.  Yes i know it's hard and that is why I thank you.  We are fighting not just for ME3 and ourselve but we are fighting so that in future video game companies will not lie to customers about what is in their games.  I know it is really hard given that you paid for ME3 but please hold out so we can win this thing.  Don't make everything we did pointless and a joke like the end of ME3 made the whole Mass Effect series.  Please people I am begging you stick together so we can win and boycott multiplayer.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Nyila]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Nyila wrote...

What baffles me is that they continue to use the same lines like "Take Earth Back" in that Operation Goliath thingy, when a lot of people have been complaining that, well.. we don't even take Earth back in the game..

Well, technically we take back that planet.

Wether it still qualifies as habitable is another thing

Yeah with added hordes of Krogans and Vorcha mercenaries that'll probably eat every last Human alive.. lol

[Njald]

One of the problem for Bioware and EA on this issue is that they are now stuck in a place where they can't communicate honestly if they wanted to. The PR they spun earlier is tainting any potential honest concern for their audience.
Anyway they are now at a crossroads where they either gamble and hope their brands can take the fallout or they gamble and hope that we will show patience and asume good faith.
Any statement not being a promise, plan, release date is likely to be ignored as PR chaff and Ms Merizan have an ungrateful job but it's rightfully so. Most firms claim they listen to consumers when they are just PRspinning. Just like most defendants claim innocence in front of the judge and jury.

[Sentr0]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

My god people don't understand. They are tracking the amount of people who play Multiplayer. The more who play, the more they think their game was a success, so the more they dismiss the "movement" as just a small group of upset fans. But go ahead people, be a double standard. Say you hate their game and want it fixed while at the same time playing that very game!

Not fighting the reapers as a form of protest would work? Along with not buying anyting

[BrotherFluffy]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Most of these things you see as olive branches aren't that at all. They are part of the already planned launch period of ME3 (Star Wars I can't speak for). The N7 MP weekend was planned some time ago - before the ending situation came to light. Not everything revolves around this controversy. It's just unfortunate timing. Same goes for the recent strategy videos for example - we filmed those weeks ago. I think Corey and Eric did a great job in them and was dismayed at the vitriol in the YouTube comments.

You're complaints are being heard, and considered and discussed etc, but I wouldn't read so much into some of the marketing stuff we're doing. I know a lot of you won't buy that - i cant "prove it" - but I've actually always been honest with you guys all the way back to ME1. Operation Goliath is an event we planned because the multiplayer is really fun, and we want to engage the players with it (i just completed the challenge tonight myself!). Of course we had events and releases planned for the week after launch-week. There are no nefarious scheming evil meetings on this topic. We take it seriously, and are discussing it internally. Nobody is happy or dismissive about the fan reaction, at BioWare. Quite the opposite really. These are good people who care deeply about the work they do.

I would suggest patience but not sure there's receptiveness to that at this point.

Guess that's all I wanted to say for now. Have a good night/weekend.

I don't think that Goliath was suddenly dreamed up in direct response to the Take Back movement at all, however, I'm still boycotting it because I feel that I still want to send the message that we are serious about not supporting ME3 until we get the game's ending fixed.  

And we are being patient, but we also want to let people in BioWare know that these are valid, serious complaints about the ending.  Nobody's happy in this situation, and I don't think anybody was saying, "Oh, boy, I can't wait to beat the game so I can rush to the forums to complain!"  It hurt us to get that kind of ending, as much as it hurts you to hear us complain about it.  But we're here, and like you, we ARE listening.  

Have a nice weekend.  

[atghunter]

Good Morning (for me), Afternoon, or Evening All,
 
Some absolutely amazing posts an insights from folks overnight! And as always, thank you for the complimentary remarks. KeldorKatarn had some great thoughts on this from his perspective which overlap in one aspect or another with so many things PR teams practice. I’m probably going to end up spending a couple hours this afternoon wrapping my head around the philosophical parallels and constructs of his post! 
 
Just one quick thought and then I’m off to answer all the great e-mails I've received. I was happy to see Mr. Jarrett stop by last night. He came by to try and do a bit of “humanizing” (and yes, that is something every PR team uses extensively) of Bioware. A completely fair deflecting maneuver btw. I readily acknowledge there are probably some great people at Bioware, who love their work, do great things and may even be quite personable (please see my remarks yesterday re. Ms. Merizan). It’s genuine to that degree in his message, but the strategic goal is to try and merge the “corporation” which is pretty easy to be angry at, and the individuals who they want you to feel empathy for. It’s putting a face on your corporate entity much like many food brands have a face on their products.
 
So how do you resolve empathy for overworked and disappointed employees vs. a company you feel delivered an inferior/defective product? Simple. You can do both. Feel empathy for the workers, but continue to demand accountability from the corporation. As I’ve mentioned previously, at this point, this isn’t a struggle with the writers. And in the end, to be blunt, those hard-working, personable emplotees will do what the corporate entity ultimately decides. If EA instructs the writers and developers to write an ending with pink ponies and chocolate bars falling from the sky, that’s what will happen.
 
Just remember the bottom line is, well, the bottom line for EA. Please continue to remain civil and express your views (no matter which side of this debate you favor). Since I can’t see the other side of the chessboard, no prognostications on where the game stands, but it is pretty clear the pieces are moving.
 
Cheers!

[Shinobu]

musicaleCA wrote...

justlogme wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

It does not directly fund revenue to the company

No, but it does show EA/BioWare that people are still playing their game. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If your going to commit, then fully commit. Stop playing the game altogether. This half-assed bulls**t I see from this "movement" is sickening.

   Agreed with this, though we should be civil and respect those that just can't help themselves and must play MP. The point being every hold the line person that does play in the MP event will be counted a a angry fan that will in the end buy future Bioware products no matter what they say as they simply can't even hold back from a weekend event. ie throw them a faux peace offering and they are back in biowares pocket no matter how much they may complain otherwise.
   Also to point out big brother is watching if you got ME3 via origins then they know if your still playing or not.

I beg to differ. I've said it before, but will again: I'll take what I can get. They wanna give me free stuff? Fine. And I'm quite content playing multiplayer.

I was thinking of actually throwing money into some spectre packs, but every time I'm tempted, I just remember how horrible the ending was, and forget it. Where there's one, there are probably others. Not everyone playing MP right now will *keep* throwing money at BW. MP costs nothing but time.

In fact, if you really want to affect change, I say we should all be playing multiplayer avidly! It's a great way to meet people who also play ME3, and then, talk about how bad the ending was. If you see people with new MP characters purchased from DLC, ask them why the heck they spent MORE money when BW/EA is behaving so.

MP might be one ofthe best ways to keep the heat up and people mad...or perplexed...or disgruntled...or...yeah. Stuff.

Right now, I'm sure that EA is seeing (via Origin) that many people play ME3 SP obsessively until the end and then just... stop. They have no way of knowing how many of those people are "casual" fans who have just moved on and how many are like us -- willing to come back but only if a new ending is provided.

People in the Take Back movement who play the MP do muddy the waters, because they unintentionally give EA the idea that "most fans will come back if given something shiny." On the other hand, maybe we should show our true numbers by staging an organized strike.

If everyone who is committed to not buying Bioware products until the ending is fixed turns on the game to show our numbers, and then at a predetermined time turns OFF the game and doesn't play any more, that will give EA an exact count of how many people are "protesting."

Of course, it can backfire if not that many people participate.

[Michotic]

I don't think they're just watching how much MP is being played. As atg has been saying, it's about money. They can release MP challenges every single day, and if they're free, I'll play them. However, I'm not going to give them any more money.

[atghunter]

BrotherFluffy wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Most of these things you see as olive branches aren't that at all. They are part of the already planned launch period of ME3 (Star Wars I can't speak for). The N7 MP weekend was planned some time ago - before the ending situation came to light. Not everything revolves around this controversy. It's just unfortunate timing. Same goes for the recent strategy videos for example - we filmed those weeks ago. I think Corey and Eric did a great job in them and was dismayed at the vitriol in the YouTube comments.

You're complaints are being heard, and considered and discussed etc, but I wouldn't read so much into some of the marketing stuff we're doing. I know a lot of you won't buy that - i cant "prove it" - but I've actually always been honest with you guys all the way back to ME1. Operation Goliath is an event we planned because the multiplayer is really fun, and we want to engage the players with it (i just completed the challenge tonight myself!). Of course we had events and releases planned for the week after launch-week. There are no nefarious scheming evil meetings on this topic. We take it seriously, and are discussing it internally. Nobody is happy or dismissive about the fan reaction, at BioWare. Quite the opposite really. These are good people who care deeply about the work they do.

I would suggest patience but not sure there's receptiveness to that at this point.

Guess that's all I wanted to say for now. Have a good night/weekend.

I don't think that Goliath was suddenly dreamed up in direct response to the Take Back movement at all, however, I'm still boycotting it because I feel that I still want to send the message that we are serious about not supporting ME3 until we get the game's ending fixed.  

And we are being patient, but we also want to let people in BioWare know that these are valid, serious complaints about the ending.  Nobody's happy in this situation, and I don't think anybody was saying, "Oh, boy, I can't wait to beat the game so I can rush to the forums to complain!"  It hurt us to get that kind of ending, as much as it hurts you to hear us complain about it.  But we're here, and like you, we ARE listening.  

Have a nice weekend.  

Excellent post.  As I mentioned last night, I suspect Goliath was probably on the boards a ways back as a potential "firewall" to negative fallout.  If the reception of the game was bad, it becomes a faux olive branch and a distraction.  If reception is good, it is repurposed as a vehicle to enhance interest.  My original comments regarding this tactic were directed mainly towards the more subtle manuvers this week that could be done on the fly (the free Star Wars weekend which Mr. Jarrett specifically excludes from his remarks as having been a long term offering), game bundling sales, etc.  Those actions, on the surface could have been rapidly deployed with little planning.

[BrotherFluffy]

Shinobu wrote...


Right now, I'm sure that EA is seeing (via Origin) that many people play ME3 SP obsessively until the end and then just... stop. They have no way of knowing how many of those people are "casual" fans who have just moved on and how many are like us -- willing to come back but only if a new ending is provided.

People in the Take Back movement who play the MP do muddy the waters, because they unintentionally give EA the idea that "most fans will come back if given something shiny." On the other hand, maybe we should show our true numbers by staging an organized strike.

If everyone who is committed to not buying Bioware products until the ending is fixed turns on the game to show our numbers, and then at a predetermined time turns OFF the game and doesn't play any more, that will give EA an exact count of how many people are "protesting."

Of course, it can backfire if not that many people participate.

I think the movement is really split on the boycott of not playing the game anymore.  A lot of people are still holding adamant that they won't buy any more DLC, but a lot of people don't realize that EA tracks you as soon as you log on, even on the 360.  So if they see a huge bump in numbers of people playing the MP this weekend, then they might not take the Take Back movement as seriously, and this will go on longer.  

[musicaleCA]

Shinobu wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

justlogme wrote...

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

It does not directly fund revenue to the company

No, but it does show EA/BioWare that people are still playing their game. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If your going to commit, then fully commit. Stop playing the game altogether. This half-assed bulls**t I see from this "movement" is sickening.

   Agreed with this, though we should be civil and respect those that just can't help themselves and must play MP. The point being every hold the line person that does play in the MP event will be counted a a angry fan that will in the end buy future Bioware products no matter what they say as they simply can't even hold back from a weekend event. ie throw them a faux peace offering and they are back in biowares pocket no matter how much they may complain otherwise.
   Also to point out big brother is watching if you got ME3 via origins then they know if your still playing or not.

I beg to differ. I've said it before, but will again: I'll take what I can get. They wanna give me free stuff? Fine. And I'm quite content playing multiplayer.

I was thinking of actually throwing money into some spectre packs, but every time I'm tempted, I just remember how horrible the ending was, and forget it. Where there's one, there are probably others. Not everyone playing MP right now will *keep* throwing money at BW. MP costs nothing but time.

In fact, if you really want to affect change, I say we should all be playing multiplayer avidly! It's a great way to meet people who also play ME3, and then, talk about how bad the ending was. If you see people with new MP characters purchased from DLC, ask them why the heck they spent MORE money when BW/EA is behaving so.

MP might be one ofthe best ways to keep the heat up and people mad...or perplexed...or disgruntled...or...yeah. Stuff.

Right now, I'm sure that EA is seeing (via Origin) that many people play ME3 SP obsessively until the end and then just... stop. They have no way of knowing how many of those people are "casual" fans who have just moved on and how many are like us -- willing to come back but only if a new ending is provided.

People in the Take Back movement who play the MP do muddy the waters, because they unintentionally give EA the idea that "most fans will come back if given something shiny." On the other hand, maybe we should show our true numbers by staging an organized strike.

If everyone who is committed to not buying Bioware products until the ending is fixed turns on the game to show our numbers, and then at a predetermined time turns OFF the game and doesn't play any more, that will give EA an exact count of how many people are "protesting."

Of course, it can backfire if not that many people participate.

Gotta say, I like the idea of an organized protest. That's something I can get behind. I'm simply of the mind that money speaks a hell of a lot louder than play time. If we can all get organized, beat the drums loud, and get people to hold-off buying any DLC when it comes out, that'd be a win. Maybe we could organize an international hiatus on playing multiplayer any day that DLC is released until the endings are...improved. *ahem*

[mjh417]

We will continue to fight for our right to have a fitting end to our trilogy

[Zulmoka531]

They have a marketing head speaking in here ( Mr. Jarret). Yeah, PR mode is indeed activated.
We are being heard, that's good. Now we just have to make them take us seriously.

Remember the OP's posts. Tread softly, but carry a big gun.

[Zing Freelancer]

musicaleCA wrote...
Gotta say, I like the idea of an organized protest. That's something I can get behind. I'm simply of the mind that money speaks a hell of a lot louder than play time. If we can all get organized, beat the drums loud, and get people to hold-off buying any DLC when it comes out, that'd be a win. Maybe we could organize an international hiatus on playing multiplayer any day that DLC is released until the endings are...improved. *ahem*

Then we should get out on the streets and protest, hell if we can protest outside EA or Biowares HQ.

[mutio]

The problem I see there is, that people are still buying the game. EA/Bioware get their money, end of story. They don't care for us fans anymore. The only thing that matters to them is money.
I can only say, that here in Germany people are mad. Even newspapers like "Die Zeit" are writing about it (care, German only): http://www.zeit.de/d...3-ende-protest/

I think it's fantastic, that so many people fight for a better ending, one that we and the fantastic saga of Mass Effect deserve. However I have my doubts, that Bioware will fix this. Instead we'll get more lies, more "we are listening to your concerns" posts and more marketing tricks (btw, fantastic posts about that!). And future DLC? Some extra content like saving Omega probably and more multiplayer content.

After the end I stopped playing Mass Effect 3 immediately. I wanted to replay the first two games, but now I don't even want to hear from them. Bioware not only ruined the third and final part of Mass Effect with this ending, for me they've ruined the WHOLE Mass Effect universe.

This guy here speaks out of my heart:


German fleet out~

Modifié par mutio, 17 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Nyila]

I've read through the forums a lot lately, and what strikes me is that people who complain about the endings come from all walks of life. There are bank CEOs, retired military, college students, people who fix rotten teeth (that would be me), we're not exactly the stereotypical teen gamer crowd that people must think we are, and it sounds to me like Bioware are having difficulties targeting their consumer base.

I once watched a 7 year-old kid play ME2 (don't ask me why he was playing an M rated game, I told the parents about it but they didn't seem to mind much), he was frantically pushing the buttons to fast-forward through the dialogue because all he wanted was to shoot at stuff, he absolutely did not care what the story was about. So, when I saw that choice between full decisions and no decisions in ME3, it reminded me of that kid. The addition of the multiplayer also seems like catering to the masses of younger gamers who like that stuff. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying multiplayer is only for immature gamers, I myself also like to play that kind of stuff when I feel like it, but there are a crapload of online FPS or co-op games out there to choose from.

It doesn't bode well for the future of the single player, story driven RPG style.

[rabidm0ng0ose]

Bump!
Don't give in to these heartless ploys and tactics.
HOLD THE LINE!

[JelDeRebeI]

Good work, men

Belgian fleet holding the line

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

I posted someting in another thread, and I want to post it here because it might clear some thing up:


While I am convinced that this event was already planned before release, it does present an opportunity, both for Bioware/EA, and the Retake ME3 movement.
Bioware/EA will take this event as an opportunity to show how successful the game is to the outside world, no matter how many people will actually take part.However, internal statistics will show how much people will actually take part, and this is an opportunity for RetakeME3 to show that we are serious, and that we do have an impact.

And, as said before: "A boycott is an act of voluntarily abstaining from using, buying,or dealing with a person, organization, or country as an expression of protest, usually for political reasons. It can be a form of consumer activism."


EDIT 2:

Just a reminder for all: Server attendance do count, in fact, towards a games popularity, and therefore, against EA's bottom line. When you log in, whether through multiplayer or singeplayer, as long as you log into the EA servers, attendance is counted.

So, what does that mean? First of all, it means EA has the information on you, to prioritize advertisements on you. That is worth money. Second, it means that the game has longevity, and, therefore, you are committed to the EA brand. That, as well, is worth money.

In short, information is money. Our society is long past the point where over-the-counter products are the only source of income of a producer. EA no longer solely makes profit only of you buying their games, but for a great part makes money of the information you provide them by logging into their servers.(Remember the Origin row some months back? Yes, that's exactly what this is about: EA being able to collect information on you, and handing it to other parties)

So, by boycotting them, you are having a direct influence on their bottom line. Maybe not in the way you expect it, nor in the way you wish to (because, really, we all would prefer to take action without having to sacrifice anything in return), but, ultimately, you DO have influence in this way.


I also want to suggest something here:

As stated before, EA can monitor players through their servers.

Yet, many people still wish to play the game, even with the ending.

Ofcourse, this is not only thier just right, but if they can enjoy the game still, I feel they mustn't be denied this.

However, for all those who would, i would urge the following:

Disconnnect your internet.

You can play the game without internet access (except for multiplayer), but without internet access, EA cannot track who is playing. If the entire field goes black, it, again, shows a very clear message to them about how we feel.

Don't deny yourself the pleasure of the game. Just,do it in such a way, that, if you stand behind the cause, you still support it.

[Darth Taurus]

Sent a email to Bioware. Hope that the see it


Bioware,

Probably, I'm more one of the fans of the game to write an email to you. However, I'd like to write this email to you so I could say to you my thoughts.

I've been a ME fan since 5 years ago. From all the games I played, Mass Effect was the best on my list. Because of it's story, it's action, it's freedom of choice. I played ME 1, 2 and now 3. Wen I saw the pre-purchase, last March, I didn't thought twice and bought the Digital Collector Edition. It was R$ 124,00 (79 dollars at the time).

On a Rich country like Canada or USA, 79 bucks aren't so much but here in Brazil it's different. Many families have less than 79 dollars per month and the parents have to feed about 2-5 children. If you go to the Northeast part of Brazil (Ceará, Bahia) there are families with 10 children with less than 50 bucks per month. The situation improved on the least 5 years, as President Lula gave a boost on the poor economies, but still is not perfect. For my luck, I was born in a middle class family and had the oportunity to have a good school, a home, and money to buy me games and other stuff. What I want to say is that, even for people that have, 79 dollars here in Brazil is not short money. We value it.

I bougth Mass Effect 3 because I loved the series and Knew that it was worth the price. So I paid. On the release, 6 th March, I was very happy to play a wonderful ending of a wonderful series. I played a lot. And enjoyed. At least wen I arrived at the end. I don't have problems with sad endings, never had. Letters from Iwo Jima, The Green Mile, Titanic, Saving private Ryan and so other movies, books and series with sad ends. But Mass Effect 3 was not only sad. It was wrong. More questions than answers, confunsing things. The greatest motive that made de ME series incredible were that our decisions can matter. And my decions, many hard ones, didn't matter. I wanted a game, not a interactive version of Apocalipse Now. I wanted answers, closure, a last scene that I would never forget. And Mass Effect 3 didn't gave me that. SOme say that the journey is what matters, but for me the ending is the motive that made me endure the journey. I played Rugby, and trained hard to play a match. My team lost, but in the end we saw that we fighted hard and hard to win and we were happy, besides the loss. The end showed us that we had many things to correct, and we did that. But we only endured the jorney to achieve the end. Achieve that feeling of a game. Be with our team and play as one. As I said before, I don't mind sad endings, because sad endings can be constructive. But ME3 ending was not constructive. I was an empty void, no feelings. To play the Rugby game, I trained hard. Spent 2-3 hours per day at the Gym. Trained very hard with my team. On the game, I saw that all my decisions and training on the journey mattered. Besiedes my rookie mistakes, I tackled bigger foes, endured the entire game and helped my team. In ME3 my journey was nothing. All that I achieved with so hard work was throwed on the trash can. It all ended with a spiritual kid that gave me 3 choices with different collors. I respect that Bioware team worked hard to achieve the game. You also endured a hard journey. But on the end, you failed with the people that made your dream possible, that invested real time and money in your games: our fans. I was for 1,5 years Director of Marketing in a Junior Company, and of all the lessons that I gattered the most precious to me is the valor of a client or fan and most of all, the critics that they do. From all the critics, the bad ones are the best. They are hard to listen and to agree, but the help your company become better/ you become better.

All we, fans, are asking is to you listen to us. We don't want a free ending DLC. We know that this costs money. We all agree that if we need to pay, we will pay.
As for all that I said, what I want to say most is that ME3 mattered to me. It can be silly or a idiot thing like a fiction story, but it mattered to me. And on the end, my feelings were destroyed. Not with sadness, but with anger that all my choices were for nothing. Sadness that all that I did was for nothing. And why not a happy ending? One of the reasons is all of us play video game is to be the hero and forget a little of our real world problems. Every day I see murder cases, corruption and poverty stuff here in São Paulo, Brazil. I have to be careful we I go out, because I can be Kidnapped, killed or robbed. Gaming is a way to release pression, to forget a little about your problems and achieve something happy or to know that your choices and hard work mattered. Some tears are getting out of me right now. How stupid, a 20 years old guy, at the end of his college course crying. But when something matters to you, this happens.

I'm writting this email not only because I'm anger or sad because the ending was not what I expected. I'm writting because it matters to me.
I want to thank you for your time. I know that a lot of people are writting, pariticipating right now on BSN (#retakemasseffect), facebook and twitter to get a new ending, not only a happy pink butterfly ending, but one that our choices matter and you can choose to achieve a sad/"real" ending or a happy/unreal(maybe) one. But we all are doing that because this matter to us. If the game did not mattered, nobody would be writting emails, talking about or asking. They would simply sell the copies and never play anymore. We are doing this because it matter to us. Please listen to us, and give us a better ending

I want to thank you again for your time and to say sorry about any gramatical erros. My written english is a bit rusted.

Sincerely,

[Luiginius]

Morning mr atg.
Was just about to post something about EA owning the ip and that stern but polite so line needs to be kept up to - hold the line.
Just remember all that people looking at the numbers coming from origin and retailers are thinking looongterm. Next game and the movie. So don't go wasting energy on 24/7 posting, lets just keep the positive pressure on till something gets announced.

ps. This bruhaha has played havoc with sleep cycle for us peeps on the other side of the atlantic.

Modifié par Luiginius, 17 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Nyila]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...


I also want to suggest something here:

As stated before, EA can monitor players through their servers.

Yet, many people still wish to play the game, even with the ending.

Ofcourse, this is not only thier just right, but if they can enjoy the game still, I feel they mustn't be denied this.

However, for all those who would, i would urge the following:

Disconnnect your internet.

You can play the game without internet access (except for multiplayer), but without internet access, EA cannot track who is playing. If the entire field goes black, it, again, shows a very clear message to them about how we feel.

Don't deny yourself the pleasure of the game. Just,do it in such a way, that, if you stand behind the cause, you still support it.

Do you still get to use the DLC stuff if you're not connected to the internet?

[geckosentme]

mutio wrote...


After the end I stopped playing Mass Effect 3 immediately. I wanted to replay the first two games, but now I don't even want to hear from them. Bioware not only ruined the third and final part of Mass Effect with this ending, for me they've ruined the WHOLE Mass Effect universe.

Feeling this.

[Bachuck]

Good Morning all.

Gexora wrote...

I have just read this whole tread, from the page one (and yep, I am probably getting fired soon). I think I have some valuable insight as someone who could see the way situation unraveled. 
So I read 35 amazing pages of people being mostly civil and discussing our movement; atghunter's posts were fascinating, I have seen the first one before and was amazed by how insightful it was, and glad he continued to help us.
Then Mr. Lee waltzes in, says some vague stuff while being polite and humorous, ignores all questions but the most innocent one, waltzes out - and everyone falls head over feet praising him. Then, some pages later, people are slowly realising they were played like little vorcha, and start arguing about that. I agree with someone saying we were so tired of Bioware treating us like bull****, we are at the point where anyone treating us like humans is idolized.
Then the thread got back to the topic again, but it just didn't have the same fire, had a lot of off-topic and arguing. So, the result? 
Jarett Lee just nuked the promising thread while being nice.

And

KeldorKatarn wrote...

The same holds true here as in every negotiation. There are trained PR people at work here. They are experts in double talk, delaying action and deception here. I cannot speak in PR stuff here, but as a former military I can say you this (and the PR guy from the first post will most likely agree):

The only viable strategy for you guys is doing exactly what the other side cannot handle: Keep the pressure up! DON'T fall in line, don't respond to false offers of peace.

The strategic position is this. On your side you have a vast military but still rather disorganized. On the other hand you have a very well trained and organized but outnumbered army.

The other side is currently in the following position: They are attacked on all fronts but still mostly disorganized so
they, being better trained, have been able to mostly hold the line for now. They are also most likely experiencing the first signs of sales losses, of dropping multiplayer counts and they have predictions on their tables of dropping DLC sales. In military terms: They are experiencing attrition effects, they have supply problems. The only viable strategy in that situation is: Keep your forces together, make only very thought through moves, do as many delaying and distracting moves as possible, because that's the only thing where you still have the advantage: The enemy is unorganized and cannot yet strike as an organized whole. If that were the case... bye, bye.

So what you guys have to do now is use YOUR advantages and exploit their weaknesses. That means: Keep the pressure up and increase it. Organize, do organized large scale strikes. They have NO way to defend against those. The more organized you become, the more they will be able to feel your numbers. They cannot defend against a full-blown strike. They can only delay you and try to disrupt you. If you don't let them do that, you'll
win outright.

So the best way to achieve this is to organize loud protests, organized, and well thought through. Also don't ever respond positively to ANYTHING but your initial demands. Don't even think about responding to "maybe"s or "let's talk"s. What you want is a full surrender; NOTHING else. DON'T stop before they bow down and literally talk to you on YOUR terms. YOU are the customers. Use that. This also means:

DON'T play the game, DON'T buy and DLCs unless they are EXACTLY what you want. They will feel the dropping numbers, they have Origin. Many people didn't like Origin, but now it is YOUR weapon. Don't play and the WILL see that. They do have the statistics. The fewer people order anything, the fewer people use origin the heavier you are threatening their supply lines.

Kill their supply lines while holding up the pressure and you WILL win this. But DON'T ever give in. YOU have the upper hand, DON'T let them take that away from you.

Also never become angry or uncivil, because that is another one of their strategies. If you become an angry mob, they will be able to sell you as such, gathering allies. You don't want them to be able to do that. Think of this as a war between a rebel force with huge numbers and the loyalist army of the head of state. If the head of state manages to picture you in public opinion as an angry mob, as terrorists or whatever, they might be getting help by powerful allies (read: the press). If however you remain civil, fight a gallant war and voice your concerns in a reasonable way, then YOU might be getting help and in the end the UN might intervene on your behalf (read again: the press will force them to give in or lose a ****load of money).

Keep this up people. Don't take the pressure of.

The minute you do, they have won.


Edit: To Bioware:


Don't take this the wrong way. I truly love you guys and I'm a huge fan. But this thing just won't fly. What you did here was just bad judgment and I think the best way for you to handle this is to fix this ASAP and maybe make some money with it (although if I were you, I'd be real careful with that one).

You have achieved something here that is really incredible. You should actually be proud of yourselves to some degree. If you hadn't done a whole lot of things right, people wouldn't be here complaining. They would sit at home and say "Who gives a sh*t!?"You have created a franchise that is so wonderful and so loved that people actually DO care. All you have to do now is make you that stays that way. And that will not be achieved by PR bullsh*t by the books. It will be achieved by showing them that this industry is not just about money and about sales counts and quarterly reports but that it is still about wanting to give people a great time and about making people happy with your creations.

Sorry I have to be against you guys this time. But see it like this... this entire army that is kicking your nuts right now... if you play things right you'll have all of them behind you, whenever you need them, in the next war.

I'm really hoping this war will end in a way that benefits both sides in the end.

So long...

Fantastic.

I'm editing my original post to relfect what you gentlemen have said, along with atghunter's most recent analysis. 

[BuddhaGeek]

I like the fact that we have a PR expert.  It's comforting

Modifié par BuddhaGeek, 17 mars 2012 - 04:32 .