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[GiBBsBoT05]

Hamnurger wrote...

Wow boycotting the Operation Goliath because of the endings. I love when people make a giant deal about something that isn't all important to life but when its a life changing ordeal people ignore it. Why can't you people just be satisfied that they gave you this game and quit being giant babies.

Wait, they just gave us the game!? Man, Best Buy totally ripped me off by charging $80 bucks!

[WrexKroganKing]

Apparently the Retake movement was mentioned on CNN.

Keep it up.

[Millmedda]

If we stand united we shall prevail. Atghunter keep up the commenting because you can give strength to the people to continue holding the line. This must be done , beacuse we don't want one of the best game series ever to be thrown out along with the trash.

Bioware if you do this right you can come out of this very good , beacuse the fans will never forget it if you listen now and fix this. They will support you in the future.

[Qwd666]

I simply don't have the time to read any posts in this thread and others dealing with the situation, so sorry if someone mentioned this before...

But I think there are many of you who remember, there was a company (I don't want to get into details) who made a competition before christmas. Competitiors had to send videos what then were sorted by the number of likes on FB. At least this rule was highlighted, but there were something else... The point is, a guy asked the community of a website to help him win and he got a lot of likes (the most likes, somewhere around 45K), but his video got disqualifed. After this, an "army" was formed and started to make pressure on the company and in the end was able to force it to make things right.

I know that was a different story, but my point is:
WE, the costumers CAN force a business to not only hear our voices, but to actualy act in a way we deserve, if we keep the pressure on! (There is the proof....)

I'm not saying you can be sure they will act as we demand, but right now, this is our best chance,

So, as many other said before:

Stay strong, stay together and Hold The Line!

[People4Peace]

M12311 wrote...

Forbes quoting Atghunter....priceless.

THIS HURTS YOU, BIOWARE.

HA this is amazing! Be proud, Atghunter!

Forbes = Biggest War Asset yet

[Salyut]

Thanks for the link to the Forbes article you guys. Their stance on this whole thing so far has been really encouraging and that last article was certainly interesting to read. And many thanks to Atghunter for his continuing insights.

[theshuo]

Just chiming again to say keep up the good work with this thread.

[BrotherFluffy]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

To those campaigning to boycot Operation Goliath. I believe this is an unnecessary practice under the present circumstances. The event is intended to be fun regardless of a potential ulterior motive benetah the surface and we gamers have a right to both partake and enjoy this venue. Where we draw the line is our resolve. If after Operation Goliath, the outcry begins to waiver, people are less vocal of their demands in that this product was not satisfactory, then we begin to "lose the war" so to speak. On the contrary, if we continue to remain adamant in our stance; that while we may enjoy aspects of the game, we have no intention of backing down once these events come and go, not only do we force them to listen but could in turn damage their position.

No, boycotting IS a neccessary practice because for all the noise we make here, it means nothing if we're still playing the game.  It's been said numerous times, but I'll restate: EA TRACKS YOU AS SOON AS YOU ARE ONLINE.  They know how many people are playing, and if they see no drop or an increase in players this weekend, then they will make the conclusion that we are just all bark and no bite.  They won't listen to us, they'll continue to button up and try and wait us out.  

[People4Peace]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

Apparently the Retake movement was mentioned on CNN.

Keep it up.

Link, anybody?

I would love to hear/read this! Thanks

[Silveralen]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

He doesn't have a case. Casey never lied in the actual sales advertising, which is what the FTC would look at (if thousands of people filed). The FTC regulates advertising, not PR comments, which is where the misrepresentation occcurred.

Huh, so no action can be taken for misleading PR comments? So as long as it isn't official advertising, you can say whatever you want and nothing can happen, even if they are blntant lies designed to mislead cosnumers? I'm not to sure about all that, especially as the interveiw he gave could be considered an advertisment or promotion of the game, but I'd need to go look at the actual legal definitions.

[Windariah]

People4Peace wrote...

WrexKroganKing wrote...

Apparently the Retake movement was mentioned on CNN.

Keep it up.

Link, anybody?

I would love to hear/read this! Thanks

Agreed.

[Novouto]

We are holding the line, now we must press the attack. They are sending us false white flags. Remember hackett's words:

Modifié par Novouto, 17 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[Kabraxal]

This FTC crap is taking it too far... some people just need to grow up.

Fund the charity Retake movement, offer constructive discussion, or simply boycott the company if you so choose... but to **** to the FTC over a video game not delivering on what you wanted....... grow up.

[rvayda141]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

Apparently the Retake movement was mentioned on CNN.

Keep it up.

Really? I just saw a thread where someone said Fox News (shudder) mentioned it.

[Reidbynature]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

Apparently the Retake movement was mentioned on CNN.

Keep it up.

Yes, don't give into the infighters.  Be civil and state our caeses clearly.  Win or lose you should at least feel as though you contributed to something greater (y'know, unlike the ME3 ending ).

Personally I'm loving the tips from Atghunter.  Much like Eternalsteelsfan's feedback of a screenwriter on how the ending failed, it's great to hear things clearly from a technical point of view.  I may not personally agree with everything on the Jarret Lee part, but I think you're really contributing a lot here.

[Silveralen]

Greed1914 wrote...

Forbes continues to impress. Who'd have thought that our biggest media advocate would be a prominent business magazine? Then again, they are in a good position to step back and look at this from a business perspective.

Forbes is by far one of the best places to get your news, as they try to look at everything from a practical and logical standpoint. They are one of the most unbiased sources I can think of.

[Hydralysk]

http://www.gameinfor...#commentmessage

I'd like to ask anyone who disagrees that this course of action is appropriate at this time post a comment saying this is one person and NOT a representation of the movement as a whole. This paints us all in a bad light and we need to show that we do not support it. We brought the hammer down on the last article that did this, we need to do it again.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 17 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[Goodwood]

I wanted to salve my own emotional wounds as well as provide suggestions for a new ending and praise the writers/developers for what is otherwise a magnificent game.

http://social.biowar...6873/1#10136873

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

Apparently the Retake movement was mentioned on CNN.

Keep it up.

I can't believe how real this has gotten. I've never seen anything like this before.

[BrotherFluffy]

Silveralen wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

He doesn't have a case. Casey never lied in the actual sales advertising, which is what the FTC would look at (if thousands of people filed). The FTC regulates advertising, not PR comments, which is where the misrepresentation occcurred.

Huh, so no action can be taken for misleading PR comments? So as long as it isn't official advertising, you can say whatever you want and nothing can happen, even if they are blntant lies designed to mislead cosnumers? I'm not to sure about all that, especially as the interveiw he gave could be considered an advertisment or promotion of the game, but I'd need to go look at the actual legal definitions.

Look, regardless of whether or not it's right, or even legal, continuing down that path will DESTROY the movement.  Even if people ARE successful at bringing an FTC complaint or a class Action suit against EA/BioWare, it will completely turn public opinion against us and BioWare will never fix the endings.  If people want to do that, we need to distance ourselves from them like they have the plague.  

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

Apparently the Retake movement was mentioned on CNN.

Keep it up.

Fox News AND CNN?!?

I'm liiking where this is going.

[Hydralysk]

BrotherFluffy wrote...

Silveralen wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

He doesn't have a case. Casey never lied in the actual sales advertising, which is what the FTC would look at (if thousands of people filed). The FTC regulates advertising, not PR comments, which is where the misrepresentation occcurred.

Huh, so no action can be taken for misleading PR comments? So as long as it isn't official advertising, you can say whatever you want and nothing can happen, even if they are blntant lies designed to mislead cosnumers? I'm not to sure about all that, especially as the interveiw he gave could be considered an advertisment or promotion of the game, but I'd need to go look at the actual legal definitions.

Look, regardless of whether or not it's right, or even legal, continuing down that path will DESTROY the movement.  Even if people ARE successful at bringing an FTC complaint or a class Action suit against EA/BioWare, it will completely turn public opinion against us and BioWare will never fix the endings.  If people want to do that, we need to distance ourselves from them like they have the plague.  

This is exactly what we need to do people.

[thebatmanreborn]

The thing is, Casey Hudson is not in Public Relations. Chris and Jessica are Community Managers, again, not Public Relations. My minor is Public Relations, along with Professional Writing as my major. I get people are mad about the ending, but this has really gotten out of hand, especially with the FTC suit. Yes, a lot of gaming magazines called people here "entitlement brats," but that was the work of unprofessional journalists who now have questionable integrity in my book.

A lot of people here seem to be just roaring with blind rage. Games are an art form. They are a platform for storytelling. And I am saddened that Doyle had to continue writing Holmes. He hated it. That character had run his course and he wanted to have other pursuits. Writers have the right to end a story anyway they choose. It's their world and they invite you in to partake of it. If you don't like it, become skeptical of their work, don't buy from them, etc. But continually attacking everything a Bioware employee says is not how you get your way.

Bioware said they are listening. Their track record shows they take a great interest in what their fans think and how they feel. Give them a chance. If they don't deliver, show your frustration with your wallet. If they do deliver, apologize. Seriously, a lot of the devs took a beating from some very angry folks. Anytime that happens, everyone here on BSN is grouped together with that person. Don't give in to mob mentality. Rational thought is always the best course of action.

I understand people didn't like the ending. I didn't either. But Bioware is open to discourse, so discuss. And understand what an opportunity that is. Yes, EA/Bioware is a business that needs to make money or they go out of business. They also love what they do and they sincerely care about their fans (Bioware that is, EA has been stomping on the Madden franchise for years now...).

Give them a chance. They've earned it. They don't deliver, don't buy from them anymore. Lots of great developers out there. They do deliver, then be happy. In any event, please relax. There's been so much anger here lately...

[Syrellaris]

djees the ATGhunter posts a lot of bull**** and people believe it.

[TheRealMithril]

Hydralysk wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...#commentmessage

I'd like to ask anyone who disagrees that this course of action is appropriate at this time post a comment saying this is one person and NOT a representation of the movement as a whole. This paints us all in a bad light and we need to show that we do not support it. We brought the hammer down on the last article that did this, we need to do it again.

I and another guy here in the forum had a discussion about the possibility of this happening four days ago. Never thought it would though.. this is not good news for anyone (including BioWare). This could make EA clam up, because as soon as the legal arm get their gears going, they can stop everything until the "outcome" is decided. This was a really dumb move.