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[Kathleen321]

some good points here.

[Syrellaris]

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

http://www.amazon.co...ix=mass,aps,211


40 dollars new.

Doesnt say a thing...its actually pretty normal as someone else explained earlier.

Do you have any proof it is normal beyond ancedotal information?

plenty, altough no screenshots or anything (and no I am not going to take photographs in stores either haha)

As the poster said, a page back. Plenty of stores lower the price after a week, some after 2 and some later then that. I have found that to be true around my own area as well. For example, a store near me will sell the game new for 60 bucks on release. if I wait a week, the price will have dropped to 49.95.

There is a few stores that will sell the game 44.95 new on release day as well.

Again, ancedotal.

If that is what you believe.

[SandTrout]

In keeping with the most recent update, feel free to utilize the following quick list of points:

It was a blatant Diabolus Ex Machina that broke from the established major themes to give a set of choices unrelated to and previous foreshadowing, are all unnecessarily destructive, almost literally destroyed the universe, provides no closure, introduces numerous plot-holes, and breaks from the relatively 'grounded' ME mythos in exchange for existential space-magic.

[ericjdev]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

I'd like to encourage something, If we get a DLC regarding the ending and it does offer conclusion and replayability, Then shouldn't we bring up the rating as a nice gesture?
As a way to say "You scratched our backs and we'll scratch yours"

I'd do that and give them a big sloppy kiss too, hell, i may even open up my wallet for them.

[Velocithon]

HOLD THE LINE

[TheRealMithril]

Syrellaris wrote...


However, polls like the one done on BSN and Facebook are inaccurate. There is plenty of votes and I am sure there is plenty of people that have an issue with it all, but this does not make polls like these accurate. Metacritic is the same way. Plenty of reviews on that from people that did not even touch the game etc. There just inaccurate sources.

I did also say myself that they are innacurate (and poorly made) but when the number of votes amounts to so many. It becomes valid regardless.

If you find some comfort in dismissing statistics then that is ok. That is your call. I am merely making an observation that no matter the position on this issue, the polls speak clearly; The vast majority have an issue with the ending.

Many opponents to this movement, seems also to conveniently forget that most (if not nearly all) think this is a stellar game, right up to the very last few minutes. Remember that.

[GiBBsBoT05]

I remember Final Fantasy XII had that huge price drop when people complained it was way to linear and bland despite how much everyone loved some of the characters.

[MajorUhlan]

SandTrout wrote...

In keeping with the most recent update, feel free to utilize the following quick list of points:

It was a blatant Diabolus Ex Machina that broke from the established major themes to give a set of choices unrelated to and previous foreshadowing, are all unnecessarily destructive, almost literally destroyed the universe, provides no closure, introduces numerous plot-holes, and breaks from the relatively 'grounded' ME mythos in exchange for existential space-magic.

Is that something you've paraphrased from the ongoing discussions? Or is that a direct quote? Either way it is a great, concise bit that helps to spell out some of the issues - particularly the ending.

[Fame-KIllz]

Don't give in to Jarrett or anybody else trying to make friends from Bioware.

Hold the line.

[SomeBug]

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

http://www.amazon.co...ix=mass,aps,211


40 dollars new.

Doesnt say a thing...its actually pretty normal as someone else explained earlier.

Do you have any proof it is normal beyond ancedotal information?

plenty, altough no screenshots or anything (and no I am not going to take photographs in stores either haha)

As the poster said, a page back. Plenty of stores lower the price after a week, some after 2 and some later then that. I have found that to be true around my own area as well. For example, a store near me will sell the game new for 60 bucks on release. if I wait a week, the price will have dropped to 49.95.

There is a few stores that will sell the game 44.95 new on release day as well.

Again, ancedotal.

If that is what you believe.

Do you actually understand what the word anecdotal means?

I'm being totally serious, because you can never tell on the internet.

[vigna]

SomeBug wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

http://www.amazon.co...ix=mass,aps,211


40 dollars new.

Doesnt say a thing...its actually pretty normal as someone else explained earlier.

Do you have any proof it is normal beyond ancedotal information?

plenty, altough no screenshots or anything (and no I am not going to take photographs in stores either haha)

As the poster said, a page back. Plenty of stores lower the price after a week, some after 2 and some later then that. I have found that to be true around my own area as well. For example, a store near me will sell the game new for 60 bucks on release. if I wait a week, the price will have dropped to 49.95.

There is a few stores that will sell the game 44.95 new on release day as well.

Again, ancedotal.

If that is what you believe.

Do you actually understand what the word anecdotal means?

I'm being totally serious, because you can never tell on the internet.

Quit!

[thebatmanreborn]

Fame-KIllz wrote...

Don't give in to Jarrett or anybody else trying to make friends from Bioware.

Hold the line.

This.  How is this helpful?  Discourse, folks.  

[Promchek]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

Promchek wrote...

pomrink wrote...

If someone can find me rock hard evidence I'm in the minority (wanting the ending changed) I'll stop asking for it.

there are none. I've seen couple polls on gaming sites, they all show huge disbalance between those who liked the ending and those who don't. Also the price on amazon went down like stone, no major AAA title would have expiriance such price drop in only one and half week after release. I would expect this price 2-3 monts later, but not a week. Also, if i open amazon page, i get no Mass Effect 3 on the first page.

I just want to point out that some of this info you gave is false. This is what I mean about fact checking.  I can get almost any title, even AAA, at $40-$50 within two weeks of their release by shopping right.  I got Dark Souls, Gears of War 3, Modern Warfare 3, and Saints Row 3 at $40.  I did pay full price for Elder Scrolls V but that's because I preordered it.  So Mass Effect 3 being available at different prices is normal.  

i don't know where you do live, but where i came from it's not a case. For example, Battlefield 3 on amazon.de goes still for almost 50 euro. Even Skyrim costs more. And i am not talking about shoping right i am talking about drop in price from 59 euro to 40 in a week, this kind of things do not happens.

[Fazumar]

Hold. The. Line.

I've been a fan of Bioware's games for a very, very long time and up until DA2 and ME3 I thought they could do no wrong. The decline of their recent products (SWToR chiefly among them) has been nothing short of heartbreaking for fans of story driven RPG's.

They can make this right. They can fix the universe they worked SO hard to create.

[Syrellaris]

SomeBug wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

pomrink wrote...

http://www.amazon.co...ix=mass,aps,211


40 dollars new.

Doesnt say a thing...its actually pretty normal as someone else explained earlier.

Do you have any proof it is normal beyond ancedotal information?

plenty, altough no screenshots or anything (and no I am not going to take photographs in stores either haha)

As the poster said, a page back. Plenty of stores lower the price after a week, some after 2 and some later then that. I have found that to be true around my own area as well. For example, a store near me will sell the game new for 60 bucks on release. if I wait a week, the price will have dropped to 49.95.

There is a few stores that will sell the game 44.95 new on release day as well.

Again, ancedotal.

If that is what you believe.

Do you actually understand what the word anecdotal means?

I'm being totally serious, because you can never tell on the internet.

Anecdotal - the lower the sample, the larger the chance it might be true, but still unreliable.

[TheRealMithril]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

Fame-KIllz wrote...

Don't give in to Jarrett or anybody else trying to make friends from Bioware.

Hold the line.

This.  How is this helpful?  Discourse, folks.  

I haven't been here long, but I feel most people from BioWare to be quite nice. They do this because the love their work (I hope). We're not here to attack any of them. We're here to try and convince them into rectify an issue with the ending of an otherwise fantastic product. Because that is what Mass Effect is, a product. We as consumers have every right to complain when we feel there is valid reason to.

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 17 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[Bachuck]

Darkeus wrote...

So has this thread recovered from the explosion of empathy for Mr. Lee? I hope atghunter has shown you guys that he was PR, just the same as everything else.

Same thing I tried to tell you last night. Live and learn people. And get back to holding the line....

Yes and no. It's recovered a bit but the atmosphere has definitely changed since his entrance.

FirstBlood XL wrote...

Great thread --- Thanks Bachuk, for organizing all the info into the OP!!! 

Please keep updating it --- It's nearly impossible to follow these threads, they move so damn fast!!

You're welcomed! It's been crazy difficult to keep up with this thread, but it's nice when people acknowledge and thank you for your hard work.

cyrrant wrote...

That really was an obvious misstep.  Poor guy was just casting about with what the hell to do, though, I can understand why he did it.  I haven't seen anything on the boards since that one thread about the FTC, though, so my thinking is that Gameinformer is attempting to seize on that as an example of petulant, whiny, entitled gamers.

Notice how Gameinformer covered the gamer who went crying to the FTC but has ignored all of the positivity going on in these very forums? Their coverage is quite slanted to say the least. Especially when you consider all their editors disagree with the movement. Check out their Twitter sometime to see how snarky their comments are.

Regardless, keep your heads held up high and take the high road.

Modifié par Bachuck, 17 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[MajorUhlan]

th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/076/f/9/marauder_shields_1__the_paragon_effect__me3__by_koobismo-d4t2xet.jpg

Sort of on topic, just thought I'd link that little bit of fun to raise morale.

Modifié par MajorUhlan, 17 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[JPR1964]

Fazumar wrote...

Hold. The. Line.

I've been a fan of Bioware's games for a very, very long time and up until DA2 and ME3 I thought they could do no wrong. The decline of their recent products (SWToR chiefly among them) has been nothing short of heartbreaking for fans of story driven RPG's.

They can make this right. They can fix the universe they worked SO hard to create.

one hundred percent with you sir...

Having a blast playing Swtor...

When I look at the end of ME3, it's hard to believe it's the same company...

JPR out!

PS : and just boycott gameinformer...

Modifié par JPR1964, 17 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[wasawsolos]

Remember everyone, Actions speak louder than words. Make sure you take an active part in getting our concerns known and results seen.

Together, we will Hold the Line!

[AdrianHD]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I feel bad for Lee and truly all at BioWare. As an amateur writer, I know firsthand how negative reaction to work you put a lot effort into and love can hurt.

If you truly are an amateur writer, I question why you're supporting this. I write as well and it's a horrible thought to know that my work isn't controlled by me, but controlled by the fanbase.

Personally, yeah, I can see why fans of this game feel let down. I would've liked to see more of my efforts emphasized as well. But, if you're really going as far as to pressure Bioware into fixing anything, you're being ridiculous. You act as if this was a 20 year let down. Frankly, you got three amazing games. 99% of Mass Effect 3 was phenmonial. If you didn't think so, the ending wouldn't have swayed you on the good side.

Bioware isn't going to die from this either. We're talking a minority of people here who are dissatisfied with the ending. The plot holes aren't even too big to begin with. I was playing through again, at the end when you're staggering towards the beam, you hear "all units, retreat!" You never respond to Hackett when he's telling you the Crucible isn't working. Since everyone understands the Reapers couldn't be beat conventionally, it's logical to understand they'd try to leave. -- The Mass Effect relays are probably the only plot hole, but still. If it's the choices you're concerned with at the end, okay, fair enough. That's still 1% of the game.

I spent equally as long between Halo: CE and Halo 3. I was uber let down on 3. I didn't post on their forums. I didn't bug Bungie. I did the most logical form of showing them my dissatisfaction: Not buying DLC or ODST. Lo-and-behold, Reach came out with a much stronger narrative and story.

What I'm trying to get at is to let it go. You're pressuring Bioware much more than they need to be. Grunt and Thane were so awesome in this and the Kai Leng Renegade option is easily one of the most memorable moments in gaming for me. I'm not going to let an ending destroy that. It's about the journey and not the destination.

[Fazumar]

JPR1964 wrote...

Fazumar wrote...

Hold. The. Line.

I've been a fan of Bioware's games for a very, very long time and up until DA2 and ME3 I thought they could do no wrong. The decline of their recent products (SWToR chiefly among them) has been nothing short of heartbreaking for fans of story driven RPG's.

They can make this right. They can fix the universe they worked SO hard to create.

one hundred percent with you sir...

Having a blast playing Swtor...

When I look at the end of ME3, it's hard to believe it's the same company...

JPR out!

PS : and just boycott gameinformer...

Perhaps I chose my words poorly.

I actually meant that, along with DA2 and (the ending) of ME3, SWToR is extremely disappointing and a sharp decline in quality from what I would expect from Bioware.  But I will not delve into that any deeper here and derail the conversation.  We're here talking about ME3 and what could have been and what SHOULD STILL BE.

Hold. The. Line!

[Dark Specie]

AdrianHD wrote...
It's about the journey and not the destination.

If that's how you feel, good for you. However, 90% of the people who has played Mass effect (including me) seems to feel differently

[ericjdev]

AdrianHD wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I feel bad for Lee and truly all at BioWare. As an amateur writer, I know firsthand how negative reaction to work you put a lot effort into and love can hurt.

If you truly are an amateur writer, I question why you're supporting this. I write as well and it's a horrible thought to know that my work isn't controlled by me, but controlled by the fanbase.

Personally, yeah, I can see why fans of this game feel let down. I would've liked to see more of my efforts emphasized as well. But, if you're really going as far as to pressure Bioware into fixing anything, you're being ridiculous. You act as if this was a 20 year let down. Frankly, you got three amazing games. 99% of Mass Effect 3 was phenmonial. If you didn't think so, the ending wouldn't have swayed you on the good side.

Bioware isn't going to die from this either. We're talking a minority of people here who are dissatisfied with the ending. The plot holes aren't even too big to begin with. I was playing through again, at the end when you're staggering towards the beam, you hear "all units, retreat!" You never respond to Hackett when he's telling you the Crucible isn't working. Since everyone understands the Reapers couldn't be beat conventionally, it's logical to understand they'd try to leave. -- The Mass Effect relays are probably the only plot hole, but still. If it's the choices you're concerned with at the end, okay, fair enough. That's still 1% of the game.

I spent equally as long between Halo: CE and Halo 3. I was uber let down on 3. I didn't post on their forums. I didn't bug Bungie. I did the most logical form of showing them my dissatisfaction: Not buying DLC or ODST. Lo-and-behold, Reach came out with a much stronger narrative and story.

What I'm trying to get at is to let it go. You're pressuring Bioware much more than they need to be. Grunt and Thane were so awesome in this and the Kai Leng Renegade option is easily one of the most memorable moments in gaming for me. I'm not going to let an ending destroy that. It's about the journey and not the destination.

Respect your opinion but  from my viewpoint the ending invalidated not only the game but the series.
As per the 'too much pressure' comment, nah, they need to know that they can't wait us out, keeping the pressure on is the right move.

Modifié par ericjdev, 17 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[irishScott3]

My letter's en-route.  Said I'd pay for ending DLC if they would make it, among a page and a half of other things.  Honestly I don't understand Bioware's logic.  They've got a huge amount of people telling them to essentially take their money, all for something less substantial than the LotSB DLC.

Modifié par irishScott3, 17 mars 2012 - 10:15 .