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EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode *UPDATED 3/22/12, 5:28 PM UTC/GMT -4 hours*


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#2076
Volion

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Xivai wrote...

Our movement is gaining ground, we must not relent in our stoic defenses.


Actually "they" are gaining ground, do you not think that they have PR people posing and posting as users?

Ever consider why any gamer would be so against everyone getting more game, fixed endings or otherwise?

These embedded posters have been increasing over the last week with a purpose; to divide you, to get you to rage, argue and or act inappropriately. Some may even claim to support your cause, yet continually post inflammatory, childish dribble. Why?

Please present your arguments in an intelligent, unified, calm and collected manner. Ignore the rest, and hold the line!

Modifié par Volion, 17 mars 2012 - 10:56 .


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thebatmanreborn

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Promchek wrote...



i don't know where you do live, but where i came from it's not a case. For example, Battlefield 3 on amazon.de goes still for almost 50 euro. Even Skyrim costs more. And i am not talking about shoping right i am talking about drop in price from 59 euro to 40 in a week, this kind of things do not happens.


You know, you're right and that is my bad.  I live in the US.  I am not sure how it works in other countries.  Sorry.  

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The Almighty Ali wrote...

I'd like to encourage something, If we get a DLC regarding the ending and it does offer conclusion and replayability, Then shouldn't we bring up the rating as a nice gesture?
As a way to say "You scratched our backs and we'll scratch yours"


this

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AdrianHD wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I feel bad for Lee and truly all at BioWare. As an amateur writer, I know firsthand how negative reaction to work you put a lot effort into and love can hurt.

If you truly are an amateur writer, I question why you're supporting this. I write as well and it's a horrible thought to know that my work isn't controlled by me, but controlled by the fanbase.


No one is forcing anything to anyone, if they dont want to rewrite the ending so be it. BUT there will be consequences for their business

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MidnightTale

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Holding the line.

#2081
Versus Omnibus

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

I'd like to encourage something, If we get a DLC regarding the ending and it does offer conclusion and replayability, Then shouldn't we bring up the rating as a nice gesture?
As a way to say "You scratched our backs and we'll scratch yours"


this


I agree. Since Bioware went out of their way to make us happy we should return the favor.

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babelcarlota

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hold the line

#2083
dreaming_raithe

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Hold the line!

The maintenance on this thread is awesome. Really insightful stuff. For my part, I've only turned my PS3 on once since beating the game. Half the games I own are Bioware titles, so if I'm going to play anything, it's likely to be one of those.

Origin/EA Servers may be a pain, but we can use them as a way to deliver our message, as outlined in the collection of posts at the beginning. :)

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I've posted the Boycott proposal in the MassEffect Community Group and the public forum of the most important videgames website in spanish language.

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FoxShadowblade wrote...

What I'm trying to get at is to let it go. You're pressuring Bioware much more than they need to be. Grunt and Thane were so awesome in this and the Kai Leng Renegade option is easily one of the most memorable moments in gaming for me. I'm not going to let an ending destroy that. It's about the journey and not the destination.


Simply telling other people that they should be happy with the journey (a great journey) and forgive a terrible destination doesn't work.  Some of us have been waiting for the destination for 5 years, and when we got there, it was like the World's Biggest Ball of Twine.  HUGE letdown...I'm talking massive here...I am a guy in his mid-20's, and I cried, not because the ending was moving or bittersweet or any of that, but because the Mass Effect series did not deserve to end that way.

We are customers and we paid for the game, and we have every right to pressue the people who made it into making it satisfactory, just as you have the right to pressure them to keep it the same.  But telling people to "let it go"?  Not on my watch.

Hold the Line

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LoboFH wrote...

I've posted the Boycott proposal in the MassEffect Community Group and the public forum of the most important videgames website in spanish language.


Solid work.

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LoboFH wrote...

I've posted the Boycott proposal in the MassEffect Community Group and the public forum of the most important videgames website in spanish language.


Looks like we're getting some help from shadow team! Hold the line, men! Hold the line!

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bump

#2089
babelcarlota

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We need more multi language support and organize with other players all over the world. I bet they have the same contingencies as we do. Like these people are saying... we should work together and hold the line.

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LoboFH wrote...

I've posted the Boycott proposal in the MassEffect Community Group and the public forum of the most important videgames website in spanish language.


Awesome work! Keep it up :) Hold the Line!

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If you truly are an amateur writer, I question why you're supporting this. I write as well and it's a horrible thought to know that my work isn't controlled by me, but controlled by the fanbase.


Sometimes you can't see the plotholes because you're too close to your own creation. In essence--to paraphrase a World of Warcraft developer--you're thinking like a developer instead of like a player.

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 This thread was an enormous eye-opener, especially hunter's remarks from the perspective of PR Damage Control. It has made me reconsider my responses to Bioware employees on this issue as well as my strategy for making my point heard. 

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Holy crap, we're linked from Forbes to this thread, now!

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ericjdev

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SandTrout wrote...

Holy crap, we're linked from Forbes to this thread, now!


Wow

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Shinobu

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Blayzereborn wrote...

If you truly are an amateur writer, I question why you're supporting this. I write as well and it's a horrible thought to know that my work isn't controlled by me, but controlled by the fanbase.


Sometimes you can't see the plotholes because you're too close to your own creation. In essence--to paraphrase a World of Warcraft developer--you're thinking like a developer instead of like a player.


A writer usually has an editor to give them a reality check. That seems to have been lacking in this case. Also, as a writer, you are free to write anything you like, but if you want me to buy it it needs to appeal to me. (Aren't you familiar with the phrase "starving writer"?) Finally, the argument of "it's art" falls down when the ending literally is "Now that you've enjoyed this, please buy our DLC!" Did Citizen Kane end with a plug for DLC? I doubt it.

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I don't normally subscribe to threads, but I'm locked onto this one for sure now. A wealth of info that everyone who's dissatisfied with the endings  should read, as well as anyone who wants guidance on how to make their position known and have the best impact. I'm gonna be checking in here constantly to find out how I help out.

Hold the Line.

Modifié par SavageLycan, 17 mars 2012 - 10:29 .


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The ending of Mass Effect 3 almost makes me yearn for the ending of Dragon Age II. No really. I mean, the outcome was essentially the same--our choices had absolutely no effect on the ending whatsoever--but I found I could actually ultimately tolerate the ending of Dragon Age II. There was something not nearly as infuriating about it as there is to this ending... what could it be?

Oh right.

It doesn't completely diverge from the entire story and actually makes sense, even IF there was a startling lack of choices for an interactive story line.

Anyway, it's far too late for Dragon Age II (...though not III...) but there is still time for Mass Effect 3. The overwhelming response to a changing of the ending is carrying nothing but civility and that's the right stuff. Stay strong guys, do not allow anyone to get you riled up. You have every right to be as passionate as you are about something we've all invested a great deal of our time and emotions into. Not only us, but the BioWare team as well. They owe it to themselves to do better justice to the ending of a story that was closer to any of them than it was any of us. Hopefully the right kind of patient pressure will get the fires burning under the feet of the upper levels.

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Shinobu

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Bump for great justice!

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Greetings all. I see I've missed a bit. :)
 
I'm totally flattered by Forbes and the warm compliments here.  I am glad that Forbes are consistently locking in on pertinent issues. As I’ve said several times, given that my own PR experience is admittedly dated, the dynamics of what has happened in the last seven days is something relatively new and seems at times as part familiar old-school and part undiscovered country!
 
Quick aside:  I’ve had a number of folks send me e-mails asking if I’d suggest to them what to do next. First, again, I’m flattered to be asked. But, I’m just one voice and each of you has yours to do with as your conscience guides. One of the greatest strengths of this whole movement is that the outcry can be from anyone, young or old, all walks of life, and spanning the globe. Look at the diversity here, its impressive to say the least. PR guys ultimately love when diverse groups pick “leaders” since you can isolate/attack them personally, tear apart every word they say, and even try to supplant them with leaders more sympathetic to their cause. 
 
If needed, in time leaders will rise.  They always do.  Ultimately, right now Bioware/EA is less concerned with you, me, or anyone individually. Instead, they are taking note of the general hue and cry in this community and how it affects their bottom line. I don't believe personally for a moment the voices here are a minority.  But regardless, we are the only voice being heard and that alone has strength. 

Imagine you are on one side of a field and 30,000 people were all coming at you chanting the same message.  I, for one, wouldn't care who was leading them.  I'd just be looking around trying to get the heck out of their way. :) 
 
How have I personally responded? I wrote Bioware a scathing letter. Tore that one up and wrote a much more well-reasoned one and sent it. Returned my CE (I still have my Digital Deluxe), joined the Retake page, donated to Child’s Play, ceased playing the game, became more active here on the boards and find myself laughing every time I hear a Marauder Shields reference. Sometime tonight or tomorrow, I’ll post my endgame suggestions.
 
Others may wish to do more or less and social media groups can collectively agree to do things like letter writing campaigns, boycotts, etc. The thing that continues to amaze me about this thread is the civility of varied discourse. Some want a boycott, some don’t, etc. Share your thoughts, explain your position and then do as your conscience guides. 
 
Will some people opt for actions you disagree with to express their frustration? Yes. Disagree and discuss with the knowledge you often share more common ground than varried. To that end, I noted someone a few pages back started in with some fairly caustic criticisms towards the folks presently feeling disenfranchised. As the exchange continued, the poster lowered the incendiary tone, and threw in their two cents. And I applaud them, even in their criticism of my views. Like I said before, I am one voice. Do I have a perspective others may not have experienced? Yes. But one voice nonetheless.
 
Your own voices, your civil conviction to keep posting, your love of this game and disappointment at the ending have ultimately carried each of you further than the end of ME3 ever could.
 
Do I want a better ending? Dang right I do. Do I find myself honored to be standing with each of you? Beyond doubt.
 
Continue to be civil, stand up and be heard no matter what side you believe in.  I will be standing right with you!

Modifié par atghunter, 17 mars 2012 - 10:44 .


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I think we should make a pact to not play mulitiplayer, not share our data with Bioware, not even use Origin or buy any DLC until they meet our demands as consumers.
And if they meet our demands for a beter ending, we'll promote any future tilte from Bioware.

Post this everywhere and get people to join in this!