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[Khyrradas]

Impster2007 wrote...

(The lights go dark.. and flicker back on. A shadowy, barely perceptible presence stands before you)
Lurker Spec Ops team reporting in...
Holding the line.
(The lights flicker again and the presence is gone)

3 years, I've had an account here.. never felt the need to post. Now I do.

...Can I hug you?  Or would you go all "PoofSmoke" on me?

[Carnage752]

Impster2007 wrote...

(The lights go dark.. and flicker back on. A shadowy, barely perceptible presence stands before you)
Lurker Spec Ops team reporting in...
Holding the line.
(The lights flicker again and the presence is gone)

3 years, I've had an account here.. never felt the need to post. Now I do.

Congrats. Your on shadow team.

[atghunter]

cyrrant wrote...

@atghunter How important is it to keep up the frenetic pace the boards have been going at through the entire weekend. It seems that the Friday PR moves put on by Bioware are in the vein of fire-and-forget, in that they leave them here and let them have their effect while they take the weekend off (relatively). Could the same be done for our movement? If the pace slows down over the weekend, letting everyone recoup from the crazy amounts of energy they've expended, and then comes back full-force on Monday, will the end result be any different, or will they look at the subsiding activity over the weekend and see it as progress being made?

Hold the Line

   
Great question.  Ultimately not sure since  I don't have the sales numbers for the weekend, on-line use, success intel on the weekend "promos" which would be correlated with the customer dissatisfaction traffic.  I'd venture the intensity of the dialogue is probably not so important over this weekend as continuing the dialogue over the long haul.  You have an excellent point about energy however.  As others have mentioned (I wholeheartedly agree), this won't be over in a day (or a weekend).  Being frustrated/speaking out/etc takes a lot of energy.  Take time to take care of yourself.  

Eat a good meal, get some rest, go watch a favorite movie to decompress.  Come back, to be sure.  But even the best military forces need to be rotated off the front occasionally. 

[Swisspease]

McBaal wrote...

You guys in the US might be happy to hear, that over here in germany the current situation also reached the non gaming medias. For example the biggest weekly news paper is aware of the protest movement and started posting articles about it.
The main gaming magazines, once defending Bioware and ME3, started asking serious questions. It is certainly too late for Bioware to just "sit it out"
Even if a dont think this entire "indoctrination theory" is that great, there are a lot of fans who do think this would be the best way for Bioware to "clean up the mess" Also the ME3 multiplayer mode is not that popular in europe. Those who want to play online shooters mostly prefere BF3 or MW3.
Before ME3 has been released, i hoped for some kind of Happyending sequence just like in the movie "Independence day". Most of us would love another confrontation with Harbinger (this toaster is so much fun ^^). So always remember: You are not alone across the big lake. Over here we are also mobilizing the onlinemagazines and newspapers. The asian market is about to follow, as far as i heared the fans over there are also upset.

Hold the line! As Shepard says: We fight or we die, thats the plan!

Good to hear that it has spread far.

Hold the line

[The Divine Avenger]

I'm all for holding the line, I haven't been playing Mass Effect at all for awhile not even 1 or 2 I can't even look at them let alone play them. I will NOT be buying any Mass Effect DLC unless it's an ending change & it promises to give us what we asked for CHOICE. What I want is simple & if Bioware & EA want me to continue to perchase there products then they have a lot of making up to do when it comes to me. Though people tend to have different ideas of how it should end we all agree on the following things.

1, If they keep the endings as they are then Bioware & EA will suffer a major drop in sales to future games especialy when it comes to pre-oreders.

2 , Though we understand that the the need for sacrifice is an element of the Mass Effect universe we also understand that Shepard has made a carear out of achieving the impossible. So the addition of a semi happy ending in which Shepard survives & is able to be with there LI would please the romantics & give a sense of acomplishment especialy if said ending was hard to achieve giving people a reason to want to put in the time on both the single player & multiplayer.

3, The destruction of the Mass Relays is a death sentance for the Mass Effect Universe, if Bioware were to choose to make another Mass Effect game in the future. Regaurdless of game type there is no way they could make a game set AFTER the destruction of the relays. FTL speeds would not be adiquate to achieve anyform of game set in the Mass Effect Universe after the destruction. Were they to add some ending's that allow the relay's to stay intact however then they not only make us consumers happy but they also open the door to profit in the future with DLC & new Mass Effect games whatever the nature of said games.

4, The Normandy being in the mist of a jump between relays as they explode is a troubling issue & one that every person that is in the Retake Mass Effect movement agrees MUST be changed. There is no way that the crew of the Normandy would abandon Shepard this fact go's against there natures as there are some crew members such as Joker, Adams Dr Chakwas who have stood at your side since the begining these people risked being courtmarshled  when they followed you to Ilos at the end of 1. there is no way these people would up & leave before the end.


5, The synthasis ending makes no sence at all, how can evey life in the galaxy organic & synthetic alike be changed into a hybrid just from a green beam of light. This ending would have to go, along with the controle ending, we rebelled against the illusive man in no2 (paragon Shep) why would we do exactly what he wanted now. The destroy dending could stay & be an option for one of the renagade Shepards endings. However if Bioware were to choose to make the indoctrination theroy a definate & that the destruction ending = the reapers failed to indoctrinate you that would be a different story. Although the destuction of the relays & the normandy chashlanding would still need addressing.

6, Adding the option of the reapers winning would make the people that love to play a game that has an all out depressing ending very happy indeed. It would also add the sense of "This is what's at stake" into the game which is something that alot of people will take at face value unless they see it for themselfs. That inturn would make people more determind to playthrough the game again & see what they can do different, which inturn would = greater profits for Bioware/EA in the future with DLC & new releases.

Modifié par The Divine Avenger, 18 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[Lena Grozi]

No_MSG wrote...

Impster2007 wrote...

(The lights go dark.. and flicker back on. A shadowy, barely perceptible presence stands before you)
Lurker Spec Ops team reporting in...
Holding the line.
(The lights flicker again and the presence is gone)

3 years, I've had an account here.. never felt the need to post. Now I do.

Yeah, it's kind of sad that this is what it took to get me to post here.

Same here. Good thing aboud this debacle is how it brought people together, isn't it?
I just wanted to note on how quickly the company became "the enemy". We used to be on the same side here, but once we realised that our view of things differ, we turned on BioWare within minutes after we saw the ending. If this isn't fighting for what's right, then nothing is. Still, I don't want BioWare to be my enemy forever. I want to play games like DA:O and ME2, they are truly fantastic experience. I wish for a peaceful and happy resolution to this problem, but I'll hold the line nonetheless.

[Versus Omnibus]

I have officially joined the fight!! I am prepared to hold the line, sir!!

[Njald]

This thread has really opened many eyes, including mine. 
I would urge ANY Bioware employe that isn't in releasing information or in place to make desicions to refrain from responding. Your personal viewpoints can't save the franchise or the company. If they could then we wouldn't have had this sloppy/shoddy/lackluster/incomplete mess of an ending because then I asume you would have acted. 

So do yourselves a favour and take the rest BW employees. Your input is pointless, we will await until "direct control" is asumed by someone with rnough clout to save this can talk top us.

Modifié par Njald, 18 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[Carnage752]

Atg. We are glad you're with us. You might be the difference between weeks and months for a fix, hell maybe the difference between failing or succeeding. I'm trying to unify our members for the long haul if necessary. Too much work has gone into this movement.

Carnage out.

[QicklyCze]

Catroi wrote...

Suggest this:
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

This is the best thing ever and everyone is happy:
happy endings
bad endings
sacrifice endings
relays don't blow up
no starchild
Please post this in the suggestion thread and on twitter if enough people show them this they might really consider it

Looks good!

[TheRealMithril]

Well I wish media made a bigger point on the fact that most of us actually love the game, and it's the last minutes that throw everything out the window that we have issues with.

It is going to be simple economics, not too long from now there will be a point where this whole debacle is going to cost both BioWare and EA money. I suggest cutting the losses now, and spend the money (they would loose waiting) on being constructive and fix the ending instead. Win some points along the way as well. We are not enemies here, we both (sides) absolutely love the game. We care about it so much that we are pleading you to fix something that is wrong.

[Xellith]

Keep holding the line.

[Niostang]

Syrellaris wrote...
True ofcourse, but if you enjoyed the game and everything else it had to offer )in this case multiplayer, up to the ending, which you then did not enjoy. Returning it with the mind set of `I did not like the game` seems off to me.

One of my friends for example, has the tendency to purchase a game, to find out he doesnt like it in the first 15 minutes. He then proceeds to play the game anyway to gain achievements. then 2/3 days later he returns it with that same exact line `i do not like the game` and demands a full refund. Personally I find this dispicable.

Finishing Mass Effect and then coming to the ending and decide you don´t like it and to return it to the store is just the same thing to me.  If you truly did not like it, you would not have played it to the end before returning it.

or perhaps I am mistaking in it

It's not so much mistaking as refusing to acknowledge/understand that people have different ways of reacting and dealing with things. Does "three people, six opinions" ring a bell? I read your reply and what I understood from it was "Well this is what I think and this is how I reacted. I don't understand how you can't think and react the same as me too. There must be something wrong with you." It's like you told me I'm wrong for liking the colour red. Say whut? I'll admit I smiled when i read your reply. I've heard too many similar arguments to bother getting my knickers in a twist about it.

I'm putting my support behind this movement. I'd chosen Synthesis, I'd finished the game, turned off the console and tv and just sat, feeling curiously empty. I think about 5 minutes later my brain caught up and the disappointment and confusion came crashing in and I stood up from my chair and demanded "What the hell was that?" of a blank tv screen. I reloaded from the final mission and tried the other options. Same empty, same hollow. Then I went online and found that people more articulate than I voicing the same confusion, the same anger, the same disappointment. The flame wars were minimal, the vitriol seemed contained, and hell, it looked like there might even be some headway in the making. I think that was my biggest comfort in the aftermath of my maiden run-through.

I really hope this goes somewhere. I feel really lucky to be a video game player in a time when games like Mass Effect series have been created and released. With a day between finishing to calm me down somewhat, I have to admit it's kind of amazing how 15 minutes of what felt like a cheap trick could tarnish over 200 hours of cumulative game play, choices made, fictional relationships so well written that I seriously emotionally invested in fictional characters (that's how they sucked me innnn) - and that I actually cried over, a story that made me think about what was really happening and what the consequences of my actions might be on a larger scale than "paragon is blue," "renegade is red"; a story that was compelling enough to make me learn to like shooters (not traditionally a fan - I have the coordination of broccoli and I abuse the utter crap out of the power wheel to realign targets) and even try combat on difficulty levels that weren't "easy" or "narrative," coupled with a combat/power system that made it fun to learn and I could go on but I need to start doing my laundry.

I will give ME3 credit for being utterly amazing though - for bringing me through emotional highs and lows that I never would have thought a video game could pull me through; for exploring themes and issues at a level I reserved for classrooms and casual get togethers of like minded people. (Laundry. You have laundry.) I have over 60 hours of game play in my first run, but you can take back the last 15 minutes of that time Bioware. It was a disservice to the game and the trilogy, and god help me for the irrationality of this next statement but I felt like it was a disservice to me. I hope there's more to it than RGB, because everything Mass Effect - fans, game, studio - deserves better than that pale wreck of a conclusion.


With love from Australia: Line held,

.n


P.S. I finally get the Marauder Shields meme. Frigging hysterical.

[Carnage752]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Well I wish media made a bigger point on the fact that most of us actually love the game, and it's the last minutes that throw everything out the window that we have issues with.

It is going to be simple economics, not too long from now there will be a point where this whole debacle is going to cost both BioWare and EA money. I suggest cutting the losses now, and spend the money (they would loose waiting) on being constructive and fix the ending instead. Win some points along the way as well. We are not enemies here, we both (sides) absolutely love the game. We care about it so much that we are pleading you to fix something that is wrong.

That's why we gotta keep up the pressure. We have to eliminate any ways out fast so they are forced to help themselves and fix the endings. When the DLC goes on XBOX live/PSN/Origin is the day we can rest. Till then we will fight, we will boycott, and we will find a way. That's what fans do.

[TheRealMithril]

Njald wrote...

This thread has really opened many eyes, including mine. 
I would urge ANY Bioware employe that isn't in releasing information or in place to make desicions to refrain from responding. Your personal viewpoints can't save the franchise or the company. If they could then we wouldn't have had this sloppy/shoddy/lackluster/incomplete mess of an ending because then I asume you would have acted. 

So do yourselves a favour and take the rest BW employees. Your input is pointless, we will await until "direct control" is asumed by someone with rnough clout to save this can talk top us.

what? I am going to suggest (in all possible kindness, and helpful way) that you take a deep breath. Go back and edit this line of thinking. Because I have a hard time reading what you want to say.

[punkenjunki3]

Impster2007 wrote...

(The lights go dark.. and flicker back on. A shadowy, barely perceptible presence stands before you)
Lurker Spec Ops team reporting in...
Holding the line.
(The lights flicker again and the presence is gone)

3 years, I've had an account here.. never felt the need to post. Now I do.

Haha yep, was the same for me too, 2 years ive had an account, first time ive felt the need to post on something. Now 3 posts in less than an hour or so....

Thankfully these guys made me welcome  

[Carnage752]

punkenjunki3 wrote...

Impster2007 wrote...

(The lights go dark.. and flicker back on. A shadowy, barely perceptible presence stands before you)
Lurker Spec Ops team reporting in...
Holding the line.
(The lights flicker again and the presence is gone)

3 years, I've had an account here.. never felt the need to post. Now I do.

Haha yep, was the same for me too, 2 years ive had an account, first time ive felt the need to post on something. Now 3 posts in less than an hour or so....

Thankfully these guys made me welcome  

More members for shadow team!

[MeldarthX]

Syrellaris wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Michotic wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

snip

I do actually? What I have seen so far, from this movement, is nothing but a few arrogant brats that think they deserve everything they want. Disregarding that this is Bioware IP and they can do with it what they want.

You can clamp around a so called PR guy all you want(Opening post) but read his replies and you will find a lot of nonsense in it.

I thank you for your contribution. Please note we are trying to keep things civil, so resorting to name calling really isn't helping anyone put much stock in your argument.

Customers are stockholders in a business. We give them money. If we purchase a product that does not live up to the promises made by the company, we should speak out. It is our duty to make our opinions heard, whether or not you agree with it.

True, namecalling is not the best way to do it. I apologize for that. Everyone has the right to make there opinions heard, but the way people on these forums are doing it is, is not the right way. Calling developers liers? boycotting which mostly hurts fans? Threathening with lawsuits? Come on, its a game.

You want to be treated with respect, just like everyone else does, yet you do not want to treat Bioware or EA with the respect they deserve. Its a two way street.

You seem to have grouped all the people who don't like the ending into one group. A lot of us are simply very unhappy with the ending and want it to change. We arent running around cussing people out or acting like little children, we are being patient but holding firm to what we believe. 

Boycotting which mostly hurts the fans? So are we not fans.. I mean if something like the ending has illicitied this much of an emotional response im completely unsure of your rational. "Come on, its a game" is as much a cop out as trying to protect video games as they are Art, you are on game forum , originally started with insulting everyone (an obvious emotional reaction). Than you come back to say "But its a game"

As for lawsuits, I havent seen any of those, i know some people were talking about them. I am hoping they changed their minds.

A lot of us have been polite, and have dealt with the type of narrow-mindedness you exibited when you began all while just brushing it off. 

It is true I have reacted emotionally about this and sometimes I will still. I however Will change my views when pointed out I am wrong. Nothing wrong about that, i hope atleast.

Anyway, I believe you have grouped yourself. The "movement" is basically a group of people that do not like the ending of the game, or its closure if you will. There is a lot of you that are indeed patient as you say, but a large and very loud group is not. They are being rude and everything else you can call them regarding it.

I hold the entire group accountable for there actions, yes. is that wrong? I personally do not believe so. People went as far as to create this group and knowingly accepted even those people into it. There for I believe the group is responsible for there actions (not the TLC one, i believe that is just a single person).

The boycotting part, well I am not calling any of you none fans. But you have to understand there are also a lot of fans that do want to do this event, because they enjoy the multiplayer. By boycotting, you are effectivily screwing them over. Is that good practice as a  "movement" to screw those over that might agree with you? in the hope that you hurt a company?

Reidbynature wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...


The
same goes with calling Bioware or EA liers and idiots because they do
not respond the way you want them to respond, the same way as people
here, from this "movement" keep derailing posts all over the forums. (keep it in a single thread people). As a "movement" your actions count as far as your single members do. Remember that.

No,
I don't think that will help anyone.  That's too much like being
unfairly chastised.  Many of the elements of what the Retake movement
(or just anyone with criticism of the game) disliked about the game are
valid in many of the various threads on the go of this forum at any
given time.  Also it would feel like a perfect excuse to devalue those
who criticise the ending or the game if their presence is banned from
all other threads but this one.  Everyone has a right to discuss those
things if they are appropriate for the thread from whatever viewpoint
they have regardless of whether you or I personally disagree with them.
 Jut like you are perfectly welcome to come here and voice your side of
the argument in a reasonable manner.

These are forums and there are rules you agreed upon when signing up to it. keeping these type of discussions in a single thread is there for the only right way to go. Derailing other threads with posts linking to this thread , even if the topic has nothing to do with it. Is bad behaviour.

The only thing you are doing with it, is annoying people that currently don't want to deal with the ending debate anymore.

I'll chip in.  Yes actually - because Bioware and namely EA are a corp.  They don't answer to us; they answer to their shareholders.  If things get back because their customers are not happy with what they are providing.  The ex then have to answer for this. 

Why wasn't something done?  What created this backlash?  Was anything done?  We gamers have been treated honestly like garbage for too long.  We get dribble; and told to take it. 

Any other industry this would not happen.  You go and eat at a rest; food is great up until you find a cockroach in the last couple bites of your food.  You're then told; well the rest of the food was great so what does it matter if you found that?  Would you put up with that?   No I know for a fact you wouldn't.

I could put many more examples of this;  Also Bioware from the beginning said they wouldn't do an A, B or C ending........well techincally they didn't.........They did one and changed the color pallette.

They said they wouldn't do a Lost ending........They did.  Its not that we hate the game; or Bioware.......We hate the ending; its a cliffhanger you'd see from a 1930s radio show like Rockteer or Lone Ranger.  

If we don't hold the line; hold game companies and publishers to the same standards as everyone else its only going to get worse.  Besides; Bioware has gone back and change when they made a mistake. 

Fallout 3 was changed; Shakespear used to do massive rewrites - he was famous for it.  Sir Arther Doyle; kills Sherlock only to bring him back after the fans demanded it........

We're not the first to stand up for our rights; nor will be the last.......If bioware doesn't want to change the ending that's in the end is their decision; but it also means I will decide not to buy from them again.....

Boycotting is a useful tool.  Its a way to get through to the Corp; that we're not small numbers; that we pay for them to stay in business.

I would love to partake in this weekend's event.  I also play TOR; so Bioware has my doubly invested; longer this drags out; less likely I'll resub to TOR - a lot of others feel the same way.  Best way to get a corp to listen - hit them in the bottom line.......

Until there is an offical statement - WE WILL HOLD THE LINE.

[VonVerrikan]

QicklyCze wrote...

Catroi wrote...

Suggest this:
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

This is the best thing ever and everyone is happy:
happy endings
bad endings
sacrifice endings
relays don't blow up
no starchild
Please post this in the suggestion thread and on twitter if enough people show them this they might really consider it

Looks good!

Looks good, but the focus on the quarians is a little biased. The Turian fleet and Palavens state should factor in just as much. 

[Theb82]

This will be a long process I'm sure and atm its about keeping strong and gaining more numbers. I'm convinced were not the "minority" and more and more are joining the line daily.

[TheRealMithril]

I have to point out that collecting the movement into one thread is not very good. Makes it much easier for the EA PR team to control. The shotgun approach is much better. Make the footprint larger, harder to oversee.

[Paparob]

I've noticed reading the posts there a short list of concise points is desirable, something that can be used in statements or letter writing campaigns, do we have something like that?

[Versus Omnibus]

We're in this for a long while, but we can't give up!!

Hold the line!!

[Fallenfromthesky]

TheRealMithril wrote...

I have to point out that collecting the movement into one thread is not very good. Makes it much easier for the EA PR team to control. The shotgun approach is much better. Make the footprint larger, harder to oversee.

This isn't a single opposition thread it is just a particularly large scattergun exit wound

[No_MSG]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

I have to point out that collecting the movement into one thread is not very good. Makes it much easier for the EA PR team to control. The shotgun approach is much better. Make the footprint larger, harder to oversee.

This isn't a single opposition thread it is just a particularly large scattergun exit wound

I'd like to add that spamming the forum with multiple threads with the same topic just turns people against you (us).  This thread will have 100 pages soon.  That's noticeable, and contained.  If I were indifferent toward the ending, and just wanted to chat about how cool certain missions were, and every thread was someone complaining about the ending, I'd turn against them very quickly.  And people hate us enough as it is.