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[Unit-Alpha]

I'll wait for a screenshot before I believe anyone who claims they have 4k+ EMS. I have a perfect import and did everything, and it still took MP.

[TUHD]

Unless NG+ gives an 400+ point boost, I'd rather believe the data mines done and experiences of everyone (including my own) that show it isn't possible to gather 4000+ without MP, iOS stuff and/or save editing.
It. Is. Just. Impossible.

[VigilancePress]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Look regardless of how "it should be", the way it IS is that you need MP at the moment to get the "perfect" ending. So, either log on (if you can, sorry folks with no interwebz you're screwed...but then how are you reading this? O.o) and rough through a couple wins/losses.  Either that or play up till the last 5 mins and then make a new game till BW fixes the issue. If they don't then you'll just have to deal.

That's the way it is. 

Keep in mind a lot of people play Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, the system where it first launched. A lot of people playing on Xbox do not pay the extra money for a gold membership to allow them to play online. Without the extra fee, you cannot play MP on the Xbox.

So that's how people who might have high speed internet access still can't play Mass Effect MP without shelling out extra money. Money a lot of people aren't willing to spend.

[GBGriffin]

TUHD wrote...

Unless NG+ gives an 400+ point boost, I'd rather believe the data mines done and experiences of everyone (including my own) that show it isn't possible to gather 4000+ without MP, iOS stuff and/or save editing.
It. Is. Just. Impossible.

Even if it was possible, the things you have to do to get that point total are pretty awful. You basically have to screw over the Krogan and play the entire series one way to even come close.

Not worth it imo.

[TUHD]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Look regardless of how "it should be", the way it IS is that you need MP at the moment to get the "perfect" ending. So, either log on (if you can, sorry folks with no interwebz you're screwed...but then how are you reading this? O.o) and rough through a couple wins/losses.  Either that or play up till the last 5 mins and then make a new game till BW fixes the issue. If they don't then you'll just have to deal.

That's the way it is. 

Luckily I've pretty good Inet, but anything less then T1+ net is pretty royally screwed. I notice on my connection which is over 6 MB/sec DL, 3+ MB UL, that ME MP gobbles up the connection, sometimes faster then my line can deliver.
No offense, but the ME MP way of connecting (especially due to the P2P instead of dedicated server connection) is incredibly inefficient and prone to crashing, etc. Add to that that the engine of the game is so-so, and the game eats up easily 2-3x more datastream then would be necessary with an efficient engine (Valve and Blizzard are more efficient at it, plus some indies strangely enough)

[TUHD]

GBGriffin wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Unless NG+ gives an 400+ point boost, I'd rather believe the data mines done and experiences of everyone (including my own) that show it isn't possible to gather 4000+ without MP, iOS stuff and/or save editing.
It. Is. Just. Impossible.

Even if it was possible, the things you have to do to get that point total are pretty awful. You basically have to screw over the Krogan and play the entire series one way to even come close.

Not worth it imo.

Not necessarily. The Krogan boost outmatches the points you get from screwing over the Krogan. The krogan's bring well over 700-800 points if correctly played, while screwing over the Krogan delivers just 300-400 points extra.

[PrimeMN]

I had Tweeted a BW dev about this, and got a reply back. I, like many, had saved everyone, done every mission, and had around 3800 EMS. Not enough to get the 'Shepard breathing' scene, which is widely considered the 'best ending' on these forums.

The response back was enlightening. The dev explained that the amount of EMS I had was enough to get the Synthesis ending. When I replied that the 'best' ending was generally considered the breathing scene, he indicated that that wasn't the case, it was synthesis.

He then said that was his opinion, but I wonder if that is the BW considered best ending officially? Synthesis?

[Rane7685]

I got almost 6000 EMS without multiplayer. However it was a pure paragon import so I had assets like the destiny ascension (from ME1) which obviously got me over the line

[count_4]

Rane7685 wrote...
I got almost 6000 EMS without multiplayer. However it was a pure paragon import so I had assets like the destiny ascension (from ME1) which obviously got me over the line

No, you didn't. Unless 'without multiplayer' means you still used the iOS app or similar - then your argument is irrelevant.
6k EMS with SP alone would mean you were able to gather 12k TMS, which is not even remotely possible.

Modifié par count_4, 02 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Rane7685 wrote...

I got almost 6000 EMS without multiplayer. However it was a pure paragon import so I had assets like the destiny ascension (from ME1) which obviously got me over the line

Screen, please. I did a perfect paragon import with everything (minus Arrival DLC) and I had less than 4k EMS without MP.

[r36956]

PrimeMN wrote...

... I, like many, had saved everyone, done every mission, and had around 3800 EMS. ...

This! Also, we don't talk about "best" here, we talk about available choices so twitter reply has no sense. With this single player EMS we don't have all choices, we have to play MP to get them all.

[Occulo]

PrimeMN wrote...
I had Tweeted a BW dev about this, and got a reply back. I, like many, had saved everyone, done every mission, and had around 3800 EMS. Not enough to get the 'Shepard breathing' scene, which is widely considered the 'best ending' on these forums.

The response back was enlightening. The dev explained that the amount of EMS I had was enough to get the Synthesis ending. When I replied that the 'best' ending was generally considered the breathing scene, he indicated that that wasn't the case, it was synthesis.

He then said that was his opinion, but I wonder if that is the BW considered best ending officially? Synthesis?

Interesting... But it doesn't matter whether that synthesis ending was the best or not. What matters is that parts of the game cannot be accessed unless you do things outside of the single-player campaign.

Modifié par Occulo, 02 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[GBGriffin]

PrimeMN wrote...

I had Tweeted a BW dev about this, and got a reply back. I, like many, had saved everyone, done every mission, and had around 3800 EMS. Not enough to get the 'Shepard breathing' scene, which is widely considered the 'best ending' on these forums.

The response back was enlightening. The dev explained that the amount of EMS I had was enough to get the Synthesis ending. When I replied that the 'best' ending was generally considered the breathing scene, he indicated that that wasn't the case, it was synthesis.

He then said that was his opinion, but I wonder if that is the BW considered best ending officially? Synthesis?

This is what I've always suspected. BioWare believes Synthesis is the best ending and you can unlock it without MP. Since the breath ending requires MP, it probably isn't the best ending in the eyes of BioWare.

But, then again, that doesn't support the Indoctrination Theory, so it simply cannot be true 

[PrimeMN]

Occulo wrote...

But it doesn't matter whether that synthesis ending was the best or not. What matters is that parts of the game cannot be accessed unless you do things outside of the single-player campaign.

But what I think the promises, if I remember correctly, was that players would be able to access the 'best' ending without MP, not that all possible endings would be available.

While many of us consider the Shepard breathing scene 'best', if synthesis is considered best, then promise not broken, in their eyes.

I don't like or agree, but this could be the BW line of thinking. I hate the endings as much as anyone, but if my memory is correct, the promises weren't 'You can get every ending without MP', it was 'You can get the best ending'.

[Tleining]

TUHD wrote...

Not necessarily. The Krogan boost outmatches the points you get from screwing over the Krogan. The krogan's bring well over 700-800 points if correctly played, while screwing over the Krogan delivers just 300-400 points extra.

Actually it's true. In Order to get the highest Possible EMS/TMS, you need to kill Wrex in ME1, Save Maelons Data in ME2 and then screw the Krogan in ME3. That way, Mordin will agree to sabotage the Cure (Wreav not a good Leader, Krogan too dangerous without Wrex/Eve Combo Leadership), Wreav is too Stupid to see it. You will get the Krogan War Assets and the Dalatrass will Support you as well.

[GBGriffin]

PrimeMN wrote...

Occulo wrote...

But it doesn't matter whether that synthesis ending was the best or not. What matters is that parts of the game cannot be accessed unless you do things outside of the single-player campaign.

But what I think the promises, if I remember correctly, was that players would be able to access the 'best' ending without MP, not that all possible endings would be available.

While many of us consider the Shepard breathing scene 'best', if synthesis is considered best, then promise not broken, in their eyes.

I don't like or agree, but this could be the BW line of thinking. I hate the endings as much as anyone, but if my memory is correct, the promises weren't 'You can get every ending without MP', it was 'You can get the best ending'.

Honestly, maybe you and I are hip to the cosmic oneness or whatever, because I remember this too, and it makes sense. I think they said "best" as well, and to them, if Synthesis is the best, then no harm done in their minds.

Still awful, though.

[CimCake]

GBGriffin wrote...

PrimeMN wrote...

I had Tweeted a BW dev about this, and got a reply back. I, like many, had saved everyone, done every mission, and had around 3800 EMS. Not enough to get the 'Shepard breathing' scene, which is widely considered the 'best ending' on these forums.

The response back was enlightening. The dev explained that the amount of EMS I had was enough to get the Synthesis ending. When I replied that the 'best' ending was generally considered the breathing scene, he indicated that that wasn't the case, it was synthesis.

He then said that was his opinion, but I wonder if that is the BW considered best ending officially? Synthesis?

This is what I've always suspected. BioWare believes Synthesis is the best ending and you can unlock it without MP. Since the breath ending requires MP, it probably isn't the best ending in the eyes of BioWare.

But, then again, that doesn't support the Indoctrination Theory, so it simply cannot be true 

... but if the synthesis ending is "the best" that ending is not hard at all to get like they said the best ending would be :S

Hmm, speculations speculations...

[Unit-Alpha]

You serious? They think Synthesis is the best? Are they insane?

Yeah, let's do exactly what the reapers want, plus add in the fact that you are forcing this change on all organic life in the galaxy. Sorry, that's far worse than killing off the Geth and EDI.

[GBGriffin]

CimCake wrote...


... but if the synthesis ending is "the best" that ending is not hard at all to get like they said the best ending would be :S

Hmm, speculations speculations...

Well, to be fair, I don't know how easy it is without an import. Even then, I assume you have to do certain things that I probably did. But it makes sense, imo, because, other than the breath ending, doesn't it take the highest amount of EMS to achieve?

[Tietj]

If it's true that they intentionally shut us out from the Breath ending, I wish they would let us know. It would certainly streamline the game for me, because I wouldn't bother with the dull scanning missions or the interminable fetch quests on the Citadel. Of course, I would also be very annoyed at Bioware. Now, do they rely think this? Other tweets have implied that they thought we could specifically get over 4000.

[TUHD]

Tleining wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Not necessarily. The Krogan boost outmatches the points you get from screwing over the Krogan. The krogan's bring well over 700-800 points if correctly played, while screwing over the Krogan delivers just 300-400 points extra.

Actually it's true. In Order to get the highest Possible EMS/TMS, you need to kill Wrex in ME1, Save Maelons Data in ME2 and then screw the Krogan in ME3. That way, Mordin will agree to sabotage the Cure (Wreav not a good Leader, Krogan too dangerous without Wrex/Eve Combo Leadership), Wreav is too Stupid to see it. You will get the Krogan War Assets and the Dalatrass will Support you as well.

That would be a ... minor.... setback for me, since I've always saved Wrex, and like him

[Kat81WD]

:huh:I didn't play a LICK of MP and had over 5k EMS (it wasn't alot over 5k, but it was still over it). When my game ended, I got the stargazer scene and breath scenes, then started MP.  I've since started a new game because of not having my paragon up high enough to do certain things<_<. That being said, you have to do ALL (and I do mean all) of the side missions.  Constantly go back to the citadel and walk around listening to people.

What did I do?  I did 1 mission, citadel, mission, citadel. Get it?

[Unit-Alpha]

Kat81WD wrote...

:huh:I didn't play a LICK of MP and had over 5k EMS (it wasn't alot over 5k, but it was still over it). When my game ended, I got the stargazer scene and breath scenes, then started MP.  I've since started a new game because of not having my paragon up high enough to do certain things<_<. That being said, you have to do ALL (and I do mean all) of the side missions.  Constantly go back to the citadel and walk around listening to people.

What did I do?  I did 1 mission, citadel, mission, citadel. Get it?

Got a screenshot?

I did the same thing. Around 3.8k EMS at 50%.

[legion999]

No the best ending would have Shepard survive. Otherwise it's not the best possible outcome. And is it just me who is worried that Bioware haven't commented on this nearly a month after release?

PS Synthesis is just like uplifting the Krogan. The galaxy isn't ready for it.

[GBGriffin]

legion999 wrote...

No the best ending would have Shepard survive. Otherwise it's not the best possible outcome. And is it just me who is worried that Bioware haven't commented on this nearly a month after release?

PS Synthesis is just like uplifting the Krogan. The galaxy isn't ready for it.

The best ending...for us. The fans. Not necessarily BioWare.