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[MaestroX101]

Getorex wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

I am reminded of some children that yell, kick, and scream when Santa did not bring a favorite toy. So the parents gave away the toys Santa did bring to needy kids, and the spoiled tykes got nada.

I so wish this were possible now....

Or how about the parents who bought a toy for their kid, based on advertising, only to find when the kid unraps it that the toy is NOT what was advertised and is, in fact, totally unacceptable?  Are the parents whiney babies for taking the toy back and demanding a refund?

When Bioware delivers what they actually promised, I will buy ME3 again.  Until then I've replaced it (thank you EA for the exchange!) with a different NON-Bioware title. 

Money talks.

Because the ending was not what YOU wanted, you feel that you were cheated out of a good game? 10 minutes out of an entire 40+ hour game of an epic three-part series isn't what you expected, so that's enough to cut all ties from Bioware, say that it's "TOTALLY unacceptable", and believe you're justified for that? I wish I could backhand everyone with that kind of mindset and get away with it.

[ncknck]

Getorex wrote...

(ME3) It's garbage.

In any case, it's done. I've secured my REPLACEMENT for ME3 (Modern Warfare: Warfighter). Bioware loses.

I am not surprised.

[MaestroX101]

_symphony wrote...

Complain to Amazon if you don't like them accepting returns.

More power to Amazon for accepting the return. I'm just saying why buy a "collector's" edition when you're just gonna give it back? The point of a "collector's" edition is to "collect", not give it back if you're 5% unsatisfied with it. I see no logic in that.

[MaestroX101]

Getorex wrote...

Avolie wrote...

Do you return a book you already read because you didn't like the last 5 pages?

Yes, if it turns out the book that was advertised, the book that was repeatedly promised, was NOT what was actually delivered.  Absolutely.  If I expected an action/adventure book and it mostly goes that way until the very end when i suddenly gets into some weird fantasy nonsense totally at odds with the story prior AND at odds with what was promised?  Hell yes I send it back.  In any case, this isn't a book.  It is a game that SHOULD have had a lot of replay value in it just like the prior titles.  It doesn't have ANY replay value at all.  It's garbage.

In any case, it's done.  I've secured my REPLACEMENT for ME3 (Modern Warfare: Warfighter).  Bioware loses.

Bioware loses...but EA wins? 

[_symphony]

MaestroX101 wrote...
Because the ending was not what YOU wanted, (...)

You're ignoring the whole issue, BioWare promised very specific things about the ending and they didn't deliver.

Modifié par _symphony, 19 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[_symphony]

MaestroX101 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Complain to Amazon if you don't like them accepting returns.

More power to Amazon for accepting the return. I'm just saying why buy a "collector's" edition when you're just gonna give it back? The point of a "collector's" edition is to "collect", not give it back if you're 5% unsatisfied with it. I see no logic in that.

Is pretty obvious that nobody bought the CE thinking in returning it. But the ending made the whole journey moot so the game lost its value for most people.

[Harorrd]

its realy, realy cheep now

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

MaestroX101 wrote...
Bioware is only a division in EA, whereas Origin is an EA entity. So the argument would be that Amazon cares more about their customer satisfaction than EA, not Bioware.

EA and Bioware are one and the same, you know.
You're are talking like your hand isn't you.

[MaestroX101]

_symphony wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...
Because the ending was not what YOU wanted, (...)

You're ignoring the whole issue, BioWare promised very specific things about the ending and they didn't deliver.

I understand exactly what the issue is. You spend months and months listening to vlogs, going on websites, forums, facebook, etc. looking at dev commentaries, viewing the hype, listening to exactly every single word that the developers say about a game that has yet to come out yet. That's your first problem. If they promise something specifically about game play (i.e. They promised power melee's but they lied! Kinect doesn't work!), then yes, you have every right to be upset. But an ending. They didn't promise anyone what the ending was gonna be because, well, it's an ending. They promise you an ending, then they spoil the rest of the game. They didn't give specifics, just
small minor inconsistant details that has apparently made 90% of the Bioware fanbase so butthurt that they use all the hype, all the dev vids, all the pre-launch talk to justify raising money, refunding collector's edition, and bad-mouthing the devs, all because of the last 10 minutes of the game that you had no clue what was gonna happen. Anyone that says they had any clue how the game was gonna end is a liar.

[MaestroX101]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...
Bioware is only a division in EA, whereas Origin is an EA entity. So the argument would be that Amazon cares more about their customer satisfaction than EA, not Bioware.

EA and Bioware are one and the same, you know.
You're are talking like your hand isn't you.

It's like saying a square is a rectangle, but you can't say that a rectangle is a square, because it isn't. Same with EA and Bioware.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Elhanan wrote...
I am reminded of some children that yell, kick, and scream when Santa did not bring a favorite toy. So the parents gave away the toys Santa did bring to needy kids, and the spoiled tykes got nada.
I so wish this were possible now....

Did that kid payed his parents to do so and did his parents promised him they would buy him those toys?

[Elhanan]

Getorex wrote...

Or how about the parents who bought a toy for their kid, based on advertising, only to find when the kid unraps it that the toy is NOT what was advertised and is, in fact, totally unacceptable?  Are the parents whiney babies for taking the toy back and demanding a refund?

When Bioware delivers what they actually promised, I will buy ME3 again.  Until then I've replaced it (thank you EA for the exchange!) with a different NON-Bioware title. 

Money talks.

It does talk; says a lot of those that cherish it over ethics, honor, civility, and morality. It often says entitled, elitist, greedy, and myopic.

To my knowledge, Bioware did deliver; no lies or broken promises. What may have been unforseen perhaps, is that there are a lot of gamers that enjoy happy endings, too. But then, they did say that this would be the last of Shepard for the ME series; kept that promise, too.

[MaestroX101]

Elhanan wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Or how about the parents who bought a toy for their kid, based on advertising, only to find when the kid unraps it that the toy is NOT what was advertised and is, in fact, totally unacceptable?  Are the parents whiney babies for taking the toy back and demanding a refund?

When Bioware delivers what they actually promised, I will buy ME3 again.  Until then I've replaced it (thank you EA for the exchange!) with a different NON-Bioware title. 

Money talks.

It does talk; says a lot of those that cherish it over ethics, honor, civility, and morality. It often says entitled, elitist, greedy, and myopic.

To my knowledge, Bioware did deliver; no lies or broken promises. What may have been unforseen perhaps, is that there are a lot of gamers that enjoy happy endings, too. But then, they did say that this would be the last of Shepard for the ME series; kept that promise, too.

Don't say that, cause then we'll have to hear the whole "It's not about a happy ending, it's about the ending that we deserve" speech...

[Elhanan]

MaestroX101 wrote...

Don't say that, cause then we'll have to hear the whole "It's not about a happy ending, it's about the ending that we deserve" speech... 

Gotcha! But what they deserve?! For some reason, padded walls and soundproofing comes to mind....

[MaestroX101]

_symphony wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Complain to Amazon if you don't like them accepting returns.

More power to Amazon for accepting the return. I'm just saying why buy a "collector's" edition when you're just gonna give it back? The point of a "collector's" edition is to "collect", not give it back if you're 5% unsatisfied with it. I see no logic in that.

Is pretty obvious that nobody bought the CE thinking in returning it. But the ending made the whole journey moot so the game lost its value for most people.

I'm sorry, but not even a game as broken as Fallout: New Vegas (granted the game was good and I still haven't beat it) would cause me to return the collector's edition.

Edit: Maybe just the disc, if it's really that bad of a game. But it's not a bad game. ME3 is nowhere close to a terrible game.

Modifié par MaestroX101, 19 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[Getorex]

Elhanan wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Or how about the parents who bought a toy for their kid, based on advertising, only to find when the kid unraps it that the toy is NOT what was advertised and is, in fact, totally unacceptable?  Are the parents whiney babies for taking the toy back and demanding a refund?

When Bioware delivers what they actually promised, I will buy ME3 again.  Until then I've replaced it (thank you EA for the exchange!) with a different NON-Bioware title. 

Money talks.

It does talk; says a lot of those that cherish it over ethics, honor, civility, and morality. It often says entitled, elitist, greedy, and myopic.

To my knowledge, Bioware did deliver; no lies or broken promises. What may have been unforseen perhaps, is that there are a lot of gamers that enjoy happy endings, too. But then, they did say that this would be the last of Shepard for the ME series; kept that promise, too.

Yes.  So?  The end for Shepard does NOT equal suicide/death in all cases.  Finality to a story does NOT mean death and destuction.  It simply means a clean bit of closure and that does NOT equat to death.

They delivered a game at odds with what was advertised.  Fact.  They delivered a game that has ZERO replay value.  They delivered a game that not only has no replay value itself, but that also annihilates the replay value of the previous titles.

At least in Deus Ex the short list of endings DIFFERED.  They all sucked in different ways but they were not all the same with slightly different colors.  In fact, you got 4 possible endings in DE:HR and only one of them led to Adam Jensen's death...and his response upon having that option set before him was the 100% appropriate response of "You call that a solution?!"  

I was sold on a game that would take my decisions throughout the series into account.  I was sold a game where the ending would grow out of that.  What was delivered was a game with a single ending via 3 different entries, all labeled "die, die, or DIE".  No replay value.  Why do it again when you cannot get better than bleak?  No reward whatsoever, only punishment.

[AydinPaladin]

Oooh, nice.
Buy Human Revolution since Eidos are the ones who did that ultimatum ending correctly.

[Getorex]

Elhanan wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Don't say that, cause then we'll have to hear the whole "It's not about a happy ending, it's about the ending that we deserve" speech... 

Gotcha! But what they deserve?! For some reason, padded walls and soundproofing comes to mind....

The thing with many of you people who just cannot STAND that people are unhappy and actually getting their money back (and likely to force Bioware to correct this) is you want to force YOUR prefered ending on ALL.  YOUR prefered ending is the ONLY ending.  The right one is the worst possible ending.  

Nope. 

Sorry, but if I go on a cruise and it is a fun, great cruise through the Med.  It goes well until on the last day we run aground, there's a fire onboard, many die, many are injured, I barely escape myself...99% of the cruise was great so what the hell am I doing getting all bent over that last little bit eh?  Ungrateful whiny ****** right?

[user1234567890]

Nice work on the refund.

I tried the game and... it made me fall asleep during the first half an hour. The combat, upgrade etc gameplay seemed smoother, but that's not the only thing RPGs are about. The story was not very involved. The characters talk as if they know everything in advance and on how to get to the end of the story itself already. What the heck? I wanted suspense. I literally went to sleep and can't care now, as to only write down my opinion.

We landed on Mars, as to IMMEDIATELY find out what's happened. Wtf? The vista was really awesome and that could be the place for a bit of exploration and an inspiring level design, but the FOV and no place for suspense ruined it all.

Modifié par user1234567890, 19 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[MaestroX101]

Getorex wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Don't say that, cause then we'll have to hear the whole "It's not about a happy ending, it's about the ending that we deserve" speech... 

Gotcha! But what they deserve?! For some reason, padded walls and soundproofing comes to mind....

The thing with many of you people who just cannot STAND that people are unhappy and actually getting their money back (and likely to force Bioware to correct this) is you want to force YOUR prefered ending on ALL.  YOUR prefered ending is the ONLY ending.  The right one is the worst possible ending.  

Nope. 

Sorry, but if I go on a cruise and it is a fun, great cruise through the Med.  It goes well until on the last day we run aground, there's a fire onboard, many die, many are injured, I barely escape myself...99% of the cruise was great so what the hell am I doing getting all bent over that last little bit eh?  Ungrateful whiny ****** right?

...

Wait. You just compared a $60 fantasy game to almost certain real life death?

You've absolutely changed my mind. I'm glad I now see things your way.

[Zeratul20]

MaestroX101 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Don't say that, cause then we'll have to hear the whole "It's not about a happy ending, it's about the ending that we deserve" speech... 

Gotcha! But what they deserve?! For some reason, padded walls and soundproofing comes to mind....

The thing with many of you people who just cannot STAND that people are unhappy and actually getting their money back (and likely to force Bioware to correct this) is you want to force YOUR prefered ending on ALL.  YOUR prefered ending is the ONLY ending.  The right one is the worst possible ending.  

Nope. 

Sorry, but if I go on a cruise and it is a fun, great cruise through the Med.  It goes well until on the last day we run aground, there's a fire onboard, many die, many are injured, I barely escape myself...99% of the cruise was great so what the hell am I doing getting all bent over that last little bit eh?  Ungrateful whiny ****** right?

...

Wait. You just compared a $60 fantasy game to almost certain real life death?

You've absolutely changed my mind. I'm glad I now see things your way.

... Yeaaaaah. You (Getorex) might want to consider changing that post. Kind of in bad taste. Also, what you describe represents a traumatic experience, which is liable to cause harm (and thus, reparations are justified.) That isn't really the case when it comes to the ending of a work of fiction.

[Elhanan]

Getorex wrote..

Yes.  So?  The end for Shepard does NOT equal suicide/death in all cases.  Finality to a story does NOT mean death and destuction.  It simply means a clean bit of closure and that does NOT equat to death.

They delivered a game at odds with what was advertised.  Fact.  They delivered a game that has ZERO replay value.  They delivered a game that not only has no replay value itself, but that also annihilates the replay value of the previous titles.

At least in Deus Ex the short list of endings DIFFERED.  They all sucked in different ways but they were not all the same with slightly different colors.  In fact, you got 4 possible endings in DE:HR and only one of them led to Adam Jensen's death...and his response upon having that option set before him was the 100% appropriate response of "You call that a solution?!"  

I was sold on a game that would take my decisions throughout the series into account.  I was sold a game where the ending would grow out of that.  What was delivered was a game with a single ending via 3 different entries, all labeled "die, die, or DIE".  No replay value.  Why do it again when you cannot get better than bleak?  No reward whatsoever, only punishment.

They delivered a game that opposes your opinion of what those facts are, and it is your opinion the game has zero replay value for this game and previous tiltles. Opinion does not equate to fact. And emotion ruling over reason is inadvisable.

I have read of at least 15 possible endings, though I am guessing the same imported Shepard with the same selected choices may only get three.

And Shepard has died before; don't see a lot of fussing over that.....

[_symphony]

Elhanan wrote...
I have read of at least 15 possible endings, though I am guessing the same imported Shepard with the same selected choices may only get three.

No, there's only one ending, or 6 if you're very generous. But honest, is just one ending.

[Getorex]

MaestroX101 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Don't say that, cause then we'll have to hear the whole "It's not about a happy ending, it's about the ending that we deserve" speech... 

Gotcha! But what they deserve?! For some reason, padded walls and soundproofing comes to mind....

The thing with many of you people who just cannot STAND that people are unhappy and actually getting their money back (and likely to force Bioware to correct this) is you want to force YOUR prefered ending on ALL.  YOUR prefered ending is the ONLY ending.  The right one is the worst possible ending.  

Nope. 

Sorry, but if I go on a cruise and it is a fun, great cruise through the Med.  It goes well until on the last day we run aground, there's a fire onboard, many die, many are injured, I barely escape myself...99% of the cruise was great so what the hell am I doing getting all bent over that last little bit eh?  Ungrateful whiny ****** right?

...

Wait. You just compared a $60 fantasy game to almost certain real life death?

You've absolutely changed my mind. I'm glad I now see things your way.

You are truly dense.  You are one of those who keeps saying "but 95% of the game was great so why let the little bit at the end ruin it for you?",  which is just another way of trying to say, "It's the journey, not the destination, that matters."

No, the nature of the destination can and does pollute the journey if the destination really sucks.  The end of a game can (and in this case did) ruin the entire experience from 1 to 2 to 3.  It totally voids replay value.  Why replay?  You've gotten the best outcome possible: to die along with most of everyone, and everything else.  Woohoo!  Replay to the same ending!

Look up metaphor for me while you ponder.

Oh, and suck it up. A LOT of people are bailing out and getting a refund and now, that I have passed the word all over the forums, people who did not buy from Amazon also have a way of voting on the ending other than taking a forum poll or complaining.  They can take their money and time to a different developer and leave Bioware empty handed.  As is their right.

Suck. It. Up.

Modifié par Getorex, 19 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[MaestroX101]

Getorex wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Don't say that, cause then we'll have to hear the whole "It's not about a happy ending, it's about the ending that we deserve" speech... 

Gotcha! But what they deserve?! For some reason, padded walls and soundproofing comes to mind....

The thing with many of you people who just cannot STAND that people are unhappy and actually getting their money back (and likely to force Bioware to correct this) is you want to force YOUR prefered ending on ALL.  YOUR prefered ending is the ONLY ending.  The right one is the worst possible ending.  

Nope. 

Sorry, but if I go on a cruise and it is a fun, great cruise through the Med.  It goes well until on the last day we run aground, there's a fire onboard, many die, many are injured, I barely escape myself...99% of the cruise was great so what the hell am I doing getting all bent over that last little bit eh?  Ungrateful whiny ****** right?

...

Wait. You just compared a $60 fantasy game to almost certain real life death?

You've absolutely changed my mind. I'm glad I now see things your way.

You are truly dense.  You are one of those who keeps saying "but 95% of the game was great so why let the little bit at the end ruin it for you?",  which is just another way of trying to say, "It's the journey, not the destination, that matters."

No, the nature of the destination can and does pollute the journey if the destination really sucks.  The end of a game can (and in this case did) ruin the entire experience from 1 to 2 to 3.  It totally voids replay value.  Why replay?  You've gotten the best outcome possible: to die along with most of everyone, and everything else.  Woohoo!  Replay to the same ending!

Look up metaphor for me while you ponder.

I have no need to ponder. Your argument is invalid because as I said, you just compared a video game (which realistically would cost a hell of a lot less that a cruise, mind you) to a scene from Final Destination 6: MediTERRORanean (how's that for your metaphor?).

No, I'm not dense. I'm being logical, and from a software engineer's standpoint, ethical. You're disappointed with the ending. Okay, fine. But seriously, how many games have you played where the ending was terrible, or even the entire game was terrible? Did you ask that developer for a new game? A new ending? Did you create a petition? Did you raise money? Did you compare it to a natural disaster? Probably not, but you see fit to jump on this Retake Mass Effect bandwagon. If it ruined your experience, don't play it anymore. If you bought the regular edition, and you can get your money back, then get your money back. More power to you. If you bought the collector's edition, I see no point in returning it, but hey, more power to you. But the funny thing is the only issue that everyone's complaining about isn't even an issue. Nobody's talking about the inability to import ME2 Shepard. Nobody's talking about Ghost Tali (PM me if you don't know about that). There are other things that are actually broken within the game, but everyone's complaining about something that's not broken.

Awesome Show. Great Job.

Edit: And you seriously edited your post to tell me to suck it up. Very mature.

Modifié par MaestroX101, 19 mars 2012 - 04:04 .