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[AkiKishi]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...
How so?  Mass Effect 3 has already sold really well (judging by the numbers someone posted in another thread).

Not to mention "ill will" with fans doesn't seem to last long.  How many people were upset by the direction of Dragon Age 2, to the point of saying they'd boycott future BioWare games?  How'd that play out?  I'd bet 90% of those fans bought ME3.

BioWare seems to be proud and content with the ending(s) they came up with.  The only way they'd change that stance is if literally 90% of the fanbase never bought another BioWare product again.  And I simply don't see that happening, even after this fiasco.

Ah well you see this stuff is relative. Well compared to ? It depends. I can tell you that EA were looking for Skyrim level sales from ME3, they won't get those,that ship has sailed even before this stuff with the endings came to light.

Mass Effect 3 is "special" it was always Biowares ace in the hole, even after DA2. Problem is they don't have Mass Effect 3 anymore so they need people to be willing to take a chance on an unknown, or to risk another Dragon Age. Both of those are a lot more risky than an established Mass Effect 3.

The sales to look out for are next weeks, the figures already released are sales prior to the ending ****storm hitting full force.

I think as a consumer you look out for number 1, you feel ripped off,get your refund. EA Bioware are not your friends you owe them nothing. They are entitled to nothing from you if the product does not meet a certain standard.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 17 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[kbct]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

kbct wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Do you HONESTLY think they'll do something about the ending?  Every single interview I've seen from those involved in the development process insist the ending is exactly what they wanted, and are perfectly happy with it.  So why would they change the ending (or add a new ending via DLC) if they (BioWare) are content with what they came up with?

Because it might make financial sense to do so.

How so?  Mass Effect 3 has already sold really well (judging by the numbers someone posted in another thread).

Not to mention "ill will" with fans doesn't seem to last long.  How many people were upset by the direction of Dragon Age 2, to the point of saying they'd boycott future BioWare games?  How'd that play out?  I'd bet 90% of those fans bought ME3.

BioWare seems to be proud and content with the ending(s) they came up with.  The only way they'd change that stance is if literally 90% of the fanbase never bought another BioWare product again.  And I simply don't see that happening, even after this fiasco.

They have sold 1.85 million copies. We don't know how many they need to sell to breakeven.

Personally, I haven't seen a backlash like this of any other game. Everyone and their brother knows about this.

If they create an ending DLC they might receive more money and goodwill at the end of the day. Why? Because the cost of the DLC could be overshadowed by extra purchases. Or by the larger sales than if they did nothing.

Someone at BioWare/EA should be doing a cost/benefit analysis right now. Or yesterday.

Beyond this game, it could help future sales.

Modifié par kbct, 17 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[Farbautisonn]

*starts looking around for Drizzt do Urden".

[bleachorange]

Actually, EA sold the units to Amazon. Amazon sold them to you. Ergo, Amazon is taking the hit when you return them, unless they have an agreement with EA to refund opened, returned items (which I highly, highly doubt).

That said, the move encourages Amazon to not buy any more units from EA, since they are being returned/not selling so well. So while I agree with the sentiment, I'm not returning my game. I just won't throw good money after bad, to the 'Bioware Bandits'.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ah well you see this stuff is relative. Well compared to ? It depends. I can tell you that EA were looking for Skyrim level sales from ME3, they won't get those,that ship has sailed even before this stuff with the endings came to light.

Mass Effect 3 is "special" it was always Biowares ace in the hole, even after DA2. Problem is they don't have Mass Effect 3 anymore so they need people to be willing to take a chance on an unknown, or to risk another Dragon Age. Both of those are a lot more risky than an established Mass Effect 3.

The sales to look out for are next weeks, the figures already released are sales prior to the ending ****storm hitting full force.

I think as a consumer you look out for number 1, you feel ripped off,get your refund. EA Bioware are not your friends you owe them nothing. They are entitled to nothing from you if the product does not meet a certain standard.

This is my thought process as well.

[element eater]

Zanallen wrote...

. Or going to watch a movie, sitting through the entire thing and then complaining about the ending and demanding your money back.

odd u should say that, when i saw the return of the king the projector messed up in the last 20 minutes so the picture was off for about 5m minutes so i actualy have done exactly that.

I see what ur saying but honestly if people feel that hey got ripped off are dissatisfied or received an inferior product they have every right to ask for there money back. Yes they played the whole game but if the endings the issue then that cant be helped

personaly i think its a bit extreme but then i didnt get the ce and i have barely played the game

Modifié par element eater, 17 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Lyria]

gearseffect wrote...

Headrusher wrote...

Hm..good thing I got my CE on Amazon. I'll definitely return it next week if Bioware/EA keeps on keeping silent about this ending fiasco.

I'm gonna likely do the same thing! BW had best stop side stepping the issues while telling more lies to the fans. It's just gonna dig 'em a deaper hole.

They've been doing this act since the leaks came out and at times before. They had best start showing they are doing more than just talking out their @ss, because at this point I feel it's safer to go off their recent record and let the actions speak. As it stands they've lied and side stepped, dogged, and lied, and reinforced that the game would have a wide rangs of endings, and fans would be able to have the ending they want most. There will be nothing left unresolved, and all sub plots will be taken care of.

Yet did they deliver on this? Was the Shepard/Samara romance sub plot taken care of? Was Jacob T. running off and getting some chick pergnat what fans wanted? Was Thane dying with no finale closure and no deap conversastions with him what fans wanted?
Was Seeing Liara's face if your LI was Garrus, Thane, Miranda, Jacob T., Tali, Jack, Kelly, Samara, and not sure about Cortez and that Samantha, was that something fans wanted to see?

Was the lame ending that made no sense and only varried litte and that was in color the wide range of endings fans wanted and gave fans the chance to get the ending they had been going for for 3 games?

Was the leaked scripts just early? If so than they sure cut a sh!t ton out of it,
Gabby and Kens dialogue and back and fourth humor was MIA,
Kasumi helping Shepard and Co retake Thessia and stop it from falling in the game?

Was meating Zaeed and helping him kill Vido in the game? Was Zaeed's coment about the new blue sons leader being a "ballless twit" in the game? How about Zaeed's comment about "The Goddamn Reapers couldn't at least wait til I was dead to destroy the galaxy? Guess I may get a chance to be a bigger goddman Hero than I am, stopping the goddamn Reapers that sound great" DId ya get a chance to help Zaeed fix up Jesse so he could have some more battles with that "Sh!tty old Rilfe" In the game?

How about Omega and fight Cerberus there did that make it in the finale game? What about Ilium, Palaven, and revisting Virmire did they make it in the game?

All that Sh!t I listed was in the leaked scripts, so let me ask you did BW make this game all it could be? Did they hold true to their promiss about the leaked scripts being early and that they had changed things in them to be better and make players more happy? Or did BW just cut more of the good stuff  in the leaked scripts and keep the stuff that had fans p!ssed ?

So yeah I think fans should be getting their money back and yeah I am glad Amazon is willing to do this, and I damn sure think that BW lied to the fans and false advertised the game at every point. SO unless I see some good hard proof in the next goddamn week, I will likely contact Amazaon.

BW had best own up and come clean with us and show us some good proof that they are fixing things and they'd best do it soon, otherwise there will be lots of copies going back to Amazon due to the ending

^^^This!

Seriously, that's how we should all feel since so much was cut. So many opportunities were lost for Bioware to tell the best story possible. We should be sad for what could've been.

[Adugan]

So... Cant you download the game and return the disc? Free game?

[ShinsFortress]

Not likely. Key/codes from returned games would likely be squished.

[Artemis_Entrari]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ah well you see this stuff is
relative. Well compared to ? It depends. I can tell you that EA were
looking for Skyrim level sales from ME3, they won't get those,that ship
has sailed even before this stuff with the endings came to light.

Mass
Effect 3 is "special" it was always Biowares ace in the hole, even
after DA2. Problem is they don't have Mass Effect 3 anymore so they need
people to be willing to take a chance on an unknown, or to risk another
Dragon Age. Both of those are a lot more risky than an established Mass
Effect 3.

The sales to look out for are next weeks, the figures
already released are sales prior to the ending ****storm hitting full
force.

I think as a consumer you look out for number 1, you feel
ripped off,get your refund. EA Bioware are not your friends you owe
them nothing. They are entitled to nothing from you if the product does
not meet a certain standard.

kbct wrote...

They have sold 1.85 million copies. We don't know how many they need to sell to breakeven.

Personally, I haven't seen a backlash like this of any other game. Everyone and their brother knows about this.

If they create an ending DLC they might receive more money and goodwill at the end of the day. Why? Because the cost of the DLC could be overshadowed by extra purchases. Or by the larger sales than if they did nothing.

Someone at BioWare/EA should be doing a cost/benefit analysis right now. Or yesterday.

Beyond this game, it could help future sales.

For the record, I hated the ending.  I'm not defending BioWare or their ridiculous idea for how they ended this series.  I'm strictly discussing whether  or not they'll actually change anything.

I, personally, don't think we'll see the changes we want because I, personally, believe they have sold, and will continue to sell, enough copies of ME3 to meet whatever level they expected.  I also think that BioWare is counting on the theory that a good majority of the folks screaming in outrage will be the first to pre-order their next game.  To the latter, I have a feeling they'll be correct.

So don't take my posts as defending BioWare or the God-awful ending they came up with.  I'm more commenting on my skepticism that this "community outrage" will in any way phase them or cause them to fix what needs fixing.

[phouria]

maybe asking for your money back and returning the product is the best clear message to make.

[PlumPaul93]

Lycius wrote...

Amazon is giving me a refund on my opened CE.

Sweet!

Maybe I can find another game that doesn't crush my soul to spend that $80 on.

If you weren't commited to keeping it why did you get the CE?

[HectorTheWellEndowed]

 We should keep this bumped. People need to be aware. <3

[Uchimura]

Lycius wrote...


The lack of response IS the response. I've worked in the industry for nearly a decade. Based on what I found out today there is no reason to keep it.

So out of all people you should know how hard they work. Not saying you're not entitled to your money back if you really weren't satisfied, but this is inciting others to do the same to spite Bioware for a small portion of the game..

Modifié par Uchimura, 17 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[gearseffect]

protognosis wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Headrusher wrote...

Hm..good thing I got my CE on Amazon. I'll definitely return it next week if Bioware/EA keeps on keeping silent about this ending fiasco.

I'm gonna likely do the same thing! BW had best stop side stepping the issues while telling more lies to the fans. It's just gonna dig 'em a deaper hole.

They've been doing this act since the leaks came out and at times before. They had best start showing they are doing more than just talking out their @ss, because at this point I feel it's safer to go off their recent record and let the actions speak. As it stands they've lied and side stepped, dogged, and lied, and reinforced that the game would have a wide rangs of endings, and fans would be able to have the ending they want most. There will be nothing left unresolved, and all sub plots will be taken care of.

Yet did they deliver on this? Was the Shepard/Samara romance sub plot taken care of? Was Jacob T. running off and getting some chick pergnat what fans wanted? Was Thane dying with no finale closure and no deap conversastions with him what fans wanted?
Was Seeing Liara's face if your LI was Garrus, Thane, Miranda, Jacob T., Tali, Jack, Kelly, Samara, and not sure about Cortez and that Samantha, was that something fans wanted to see?

Was the lame ending that made no sense and only varried litte and that was in color the wide range of endings fans wanted and gave fans the chance to get the ending they had been going for for 3 games?

Was the leaked scripts just early? If so than they sure cut a sh!t ton out of it,
Gabby and Kens dialogue and back and fourth humor was MIA,
Kasumi helping Shepard and Co retake Thessia and stop it from falling in the game?

Was meating Zaeed and helping him kill Vido in the game? Was Zaeed's coment about the new blue sons leader being a "ballless twit" in the game? How about Zaeed's comment about "The Goddamn Reapers couldn't at least wait til I was dead to destroy the galaxy? Guess I may get a chance to be a bigger goddman Hero than I am, stopping the goddamn Reapers that sound great" DId ya get a chance to help Zaeed fix up Jesse so he could have some more battles with that "Sh!tty old Rilfe" In the game?

How about Omega and fight Cerberus there did that make it in the finale game? What about Ilium, Palaven, and revisting Virmire did they make it in the game?

All that Sh!t I listed was in the leaked scripts, so let me ask you did BW make this game all it could be? Did they hold true to their promiss about the leaked scripts being early and that they had changed things in them to be better and make players more happy? Or did BW just cut more of the good stuff  in the leaked scripts and keep the stuff that had fans p!ssed ?

So yeah I think fans should be getting their money back and yeah I am glad Amazon is willing to do this, and I damn sure think that BW lied to the fans and false advertised the game at every point. SO unless I see some good hard proof in the next goddamn week, I will likely contact Amazaon.

BW had best own up and come clean with us and show us some good proof that they are fixing things and they'd best do it soon, otherwise there will be lots of copies going back to Amazon due to the ending

^^^This!

Seriously, that's how we should all feel since so much was cut. So many opportunities were lost for Bioware to tell the best story possible. We should be sad for what could've been.

Protognosis you humble me, and thank you so very much for saying that, it mean so much to know that I'm not the only one fealing that way and thinkng about what should and could have been.
It makes me happy to see someone who is willing to stand right next to me and say that they agree with me.

Thank you protognosis!
And for those of you who don't know all that stuff I mentioned in my post that wasn't in the game, guess what IT WAS ALL IN THE LEAKED CHARACTER SCRIPTS!

So next time you want to defend BW's offical statements remember that when fans were upset by some of the things in the leaked Scripts BW told them that it's ok those scripts were just early scripts we changed things to make fans more happy. Than ask yourself what part of the leaked scripts did they change to make fans happy? They sure as sh!t didn't change the big issues that fans were upset about like Jacob T. Thane, Samara, Rachni,  and the other big issues fans had with the scripts.

All BW changed was they cut more of the good stuff out, Jack, Miranda, Kelly Chambers, Gabby and Ken, Zaeed, Kasumi, Ilium, Omega, Palaven, Thessia, Virmire, and lets not forget they completly cut the heck out of Balak's role if he survived Bring Down the Sky!

So as far as I'm concerend BW's statements are all just them talking out their @ss again, and If anything I'm going to be fearful that they are going to make things worse again. Because that's all they have done in the past with each big f*ck up to come out in this whole mess, and they danced around it and lied and side stepped, and went and reassured fans, only to make things worse!

[Chaoswind]

gearseffect wrote...

protognosis wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Headrusher wrote...

Hm..good thing I got my CE on Amazon. I'll definitely return it next week if Bioware/EA keeps on keeping silent about this ending fiasco.

I'm gonna likely do the same thing! BW had best stop side stepping the issues while telling more lies to the fans. It's just gonna dig 'em a deaper hole.

They've been doing this act since the leaks came out and at times before. They had best start showing they are doing more than just talking out their @ss, because at this point I feel it's safer to go off their recent record and let the actions speak. As it stands they've lied and side stepped, dogged, and lied, and reinforced that the game would have a wide rangs of endings, and fans would be able to have the ending they want most. There will be nothing left unresolved, and all sub plots will be taken care of.

Yet did they deliver on this? Was the Shepard/Samara romance sub plot taken care of? Was Jacob T. running off and getting some chick pergnat what fans wanted? Was Thane dying with no finale closure and no deap conversastions with him what fans wanted?
Was Seeing Liara's face if your LI was Garrus, Thane, Miranda, Jacob T., Tali, Jack, Kelly, Samara, and not sure about Cortez and that Samantha, was that something fans wanted to see?

Was the lame ending that made no sense and only varried litte and that was in color the wide range of endings fans wanted and gave fans the chance to get the ending they had been going for for 3 games?

Was the leaked scripts just early? If so than they sure cut a sh!t ton out of it,
Gabby and Kens dialogue and back and fourth humor was MIA,
Kasumi helping Shepard and Co retake Thessia and stop it from falling in the game?

Was meating Zaeed and helping him kill Vido in the game? Was Zaeed's coment about the new blue sons leader being a "ballless twit" in the game? How about Zaeed's comment about "The Goddamn Reapers couldn't at least wait til I was dead to destroy the galaxy? Guess I may get a chance to be a bigger goddman Hero than I am, stopping the goddamn Reapers that sound great" DId ya get a chance to help Zaeed fix up Jesse so he could have some more battles with that "Sh!tty old Rilfe" In the game?

How about Omega and fight Cerberus there did that make it in the finale game? What about Ilium, Palaven, and revisting Virmire did they make it in the game?

All that Sh!t I listed was in the leaked scripts, so let me ask you did BW make this game all it could be? Did they hold true to their promiss about the leaked scripts being early and that they had changed things in them to be better and make players more happy? Or did BW just cut more of the good stuff  in the leaked scripts and keep the stuff that had fans p!ssed ?

So yeah I think fans should be getting their money back and yeah I am glad Amazon is willing to do this, and I damn sure think that BW lied to the fans and false advertised the game at every point. SO unless I see some good hard proof in the next goddamn week, I will likely contact Amazaon.

BW had best own up and come clean with us and show us some good proof that they are fixing things and they'd best do it soon, otherwise there will be lots of copies going back to Amazon due to the ending

^^^This!

Seriously, that's how we should all feel since so much was cut. So many opportunities were lost for Bioware to tell the best story possible. We should be sad for what could've been.

Protognosis you humble me, and thank you so very much for saying that, it mean so much to know that I'm not the only one fealing that way and thinkng about what should and could have been.
It makes me happy to see someone who is willing to stand right next to me and say that they agree with me.

Thank you protognosis!
And for those of you who don't know all that stuff I mentioned in my post that wasn't in the game, guess what IT WAS ALL IN THE LEAKED CHARACTER SCRIPTS!

So next time you want to defend BW's offical statements remember that when fans were upset by some of the things in the leaked Scripts BW told them that it's ok those scripts were just early scripts we changed things to make fans more happy. Than ask yourself what part of the leaked scripts did they change to make fans happy? They sure as sh!t didn't change the big issues that fans were upset about like Jacob T. Thane, Samara, Rachni,  and the other big issues fans had with the scripts.

All BW changed was they cut more of the good stuff out, Jack, Miranda, Kelly Chambers, Gabby and Ken, Zaeed, Kasumi, Ilium, Omega, Palaven, Thessia, Virmire, and lets not forget they completly cut the heck out of Balak's role if he survived Bring Down the Sky!

So as far as I'm concerend BW's statements are all just them talking out their @ss again, and If anything I'm going to be fearful that they are going to make things worse again. Because that's all they have done in the past with each big f*ck up to come out in this whole mess, and they danced around it and lied and side stepped, and went and reassured fans, only to make things worse!

^ This

I won't return my CE because I played both ME and ME2 for free in my neighbor house, so as a person that loved those games is only fair for me to bleed some money this time, I just finished Palaven (long way to go) so I don't know the endings yet, but if what I am hearing is true then I won't like it... good thing that I like the MP enough (****ing hate the unlock system)

BW can actually improve this game for free, all the micro transactions in the MP should be giving them revenew to keep the servers + profit, so they can and should use that profit to improve the MP to keep it alive.

[Ashilana]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Glad someone else said it first. You played the game, you got your money's worth, asking for a refund is just...dumb. And its a bad move on Amazon's part.

Actually, if you buy a product that is incomplete, but is marketed as being a complete item... the seller is obligated to refund the cost.  

[Chaoswind]

all dissatisfied customers can ask for a refund, and is the sellers job to comply and give the refund or deny the request, who the hell you people think you are to judge anyone that asks for a refund?

Amazon will keep their customers happy, they get good PR and will probably drawn even more customers, so if they want to give a full refund then let them, stop trying to put your fingers in another person cake.

Modifié par Chaoswind, 17 mars 2012 - 07:41 .

[Xandax]

Rykoth wrote...

The best way to Hold the Line as you people put it, is not to take money away from a company that requires money to make the precious ending DLC you guys are begging for.

The best way to show your displeasement with a commercial company is to take money away from them.
If nobody does that - the company have no incitament to change it's stance.

It's the same for any product and company.

Some companies then have a greater connection to their fans, others just take the wait and see stance for when it blows over and then hopes the fallout wasn't too big.

Modifié par Xandax, 17 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Very nice. I like the multiplayer enough to keep the game but if I could get a refund for the digital deluxe edition I bought and instead have the standard edition, I wouldn't think twice about it.

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 17 mars 2012 - 07:41 .

[Xandax]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Lycius wrote...

Amazon is giving me a refund on my opened CE.

Sweet!

Maybe I can find another game that doesn't crush my soul to spend that $80 on.

If you weren't commited to keeping it why did you get the CE?

Because it was sold under a specific premise that showed wasn't accurate.
A Collectors Edition is just a product like anything else; if unhappy with it - why should he 'commit' to it?

[PlumPaul93]

Xandax wrote...Because it was sold under a specific premise that showed wasn't accurate.
A Collectors Edition is just a product like anything else; if unhappy with it - why should he 'commit' to it?

Aah maybe because it's considered a "Collector's edition". I just find it lame to buy something that has a limited stock, that plenty of others wanted and then returning it a week later.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 17 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[Elk Cloner]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Lycius wrote...

Amazon is giving me a refund on my opened CE.

Sweet!

Maybe I can find another game that doesn't crush my soul to spend that $80 on.

If you weren't commited to keeping it why did you get the CE?

Maybe because he played the game and realised the cake is a lie?