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[Chromie]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Didn't Mass Effect 3 ship 3.5 million copies too?

Your logic: BEST. GAME. EVER.

Shipped is NOT the same as sold. You had said "Dark souls destroyed Skyrim" by that I assumed you meant in sales otherwise how else can it destroy it? 

greengoron89 wrote...

And BTW, Mass Effect 3 sucked - and its sales numbers will quickly fizzle out just like DA2's did. Watch for it.

 

Oh come on. Mass Effect 3 is an excellent game it's just the ending is total ass. Most people seem to agree the game is great besides the last 10 minutes which imo shouldn't give it a 0/10 but it does hurt it.

Modifié par Skelter192, 18 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Chromie]

greengoron89 wrote...
Overall, I'd give it a 7.5/10 without the ending, 6/10 with it - more generous than what some are saying about it, TBH.

I can agee with a 7.5 I personally see it as an 8/10 game.

[Addai]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Really? Most console players seem to have only ever played Fable and TES. Google "RPG's for Xbox 360" and most people keep quoting Skyrim and Fable 3 together which shows they play both. Not many mention Dragon Age: Origins, Dark Souls or any of the other RPG's on Xbox 360.

The TES playerbase has a large PC contingent and I'm not going to account for what console players play even if your "most" anecdotal so-called evidence is highly suspicious.

What TES has going for it is also the lore, and that's why I lament the MMO, because I don't like what it could do to it even for people who never play the MMO.

The only bright spot I see is that all the people crying for Fallout and TES multiplayer can be directed to MMOs so they'll leave the quality of the single player games alone.

[Eternal Phoenix]

greengoron89 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
Didn't Skyrim get its ass kicked by Dark Souls last year?

Did it or are you making this up?

He must be referring to how Dark Souls has sold a whole 1.5 million copies in five months, where Skyrim sold 3.5 million copies in two days.

Yeah, Dark Souls really showed Skyrim - Bethesda must be pissing their pants in fear right now.

Didn't Mass Effect 3 ship 3.5 million copies too?

Your logic: BEST. GAME. EVER.

No. Just no. If we go by your logic, Mass Effect 3 is not only the best game of the year so far but it's also the best Mass Effect game yet. Go quote your logic on the ME3 board and see what happens to you. The haters on there will literally destroy your thread and I would love to see this happen as you watch helplessly as your thread is overrun.

From Software didn't even advertise Dark Souls that much and yet it still sold very well. Skyrim was being advertised HEAVILY ever since it was first announced. Sells do not make a game good. If that is so, then COD is the best gaming series in the history of the world.

Don't even bother replying because according to your logic; Mass Effect 3 is the best RPG ever. Peroid.

My argument is actually referring to how Dark Souls has better user scores than Skyrim on almost nearly every gaming site. Consider that Dark Souls has the smaller fanbase as well and Bethesda should be ashamed.

LOL. At least my post has an actual fact supporting it - whereas your post basically equates opinion (mostly just yours) to fact.

Well son, the fact is that Skyrim is a resounding critical and commercial success that dwarfs Dark Souls in just about every way. It sold several times the amount of Dark Souls, was the most played game of 2011, broke the record for most people playing at once on Steam (over 5,000,000 IIRC), and has garnered far more praise from critics and gamers (and from more of them - Metacritic shows their number of user reviews to be in the thousands compared to Dark Souls having a little over 700).

Dark Souls can't even hold a candle to that, friend - and no amount of butthurt ranting on a message board will change it. GG, Elton.

And BTW, Mass Effect 3 sucked - and its sales numbers will quickly fizzle out just like DA2's did. Watch for it.

Your post has no facts supporting it. Your post is mearly opinion. You mention Metacritic?

Skyrim:

http://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrim 

Dark Souls:

http://www.metacriti...on-3/dark-souls 

 
 
Well daughter, your logic fails again.



The Xbox 360 and PC versions of Skyrim have 8/10 scores similar to both versions of Dark Souls but if you want to go by ratings and Metacritic, Skyrim fails because the PS3 version has 5 stars out of 10 stars. 

Skelter192 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Didn't Mass Effect 3 ship 3.5 million copies too?

Your logic: BEST. GAME. EVER.

Shipped is NOT the same as sold. You had said "Dark souls destroyed Skyrim" by that I assumed you meant in sales otherwise how else can it destroy it? 

greengoron89 wrote...

And BTW, Mass Effect 3 sucked - and its sales numbers will quickly fizzle out just like DA2's did. Watch for it.

 

Oh come on. Mass Effect 3 is an excellent game it's just the ending is total ass. Most people seem to agree the game is great besides the last 10 minutes which imo shouldn't give it a 0/10 but it does hurt it.

 

Why would I mean that Dark Souls destroyed Skyrim in sales? Once again: a game is not made good by the number of sales, it is made good by fan reaction and Skyrim has a great fair share of haters as it does lovers.

Look at Morrowind though, you don't see *that* many haters for that game whereas with Skyrim, there are plenty of haters who are either hating at the bugs, the crappy gameplay mechanics or just at the fact that the game holds your hand and gives you limits.

For your reference:

Morrowind PC Amazon.com

Oblivion PC Amazon.com

Skyrim PC Amazon.com 

Morrowind has 8 one star reviews. Oblivion has 10 one star reviews and Skyrim has 83 one star reviews. Skyrim also has 31 two star reviews and 42 three star reviews. I just want to post this here though. 219 one star reviews and 279 five star reviews. Yeah. Skyrim isn't that great and it is far from perfect. If someone doesn't hate it for the bugs then they hate it for the clumsy unresponsive combat, linear and generic story or simply due to the repetitive quests and dialogue.

But yeah. I guess I'm wrong. The series is getting progressively better with quest markers, slow motion kills, game breaking bugs and characters with no depth. It's the medieval Call of Duty baby! What's not to love?

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 18 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Hey. If Skyrim is your thing, that's okay but just remember, Call of Duty is a hardcore RPG according to Todd Howard:
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http://www.msxbox-wo...g-elements.html

Todd Howard, design director on Bethesda Softworks' Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, has said Call of Duty is hardcore and its multiplayer component has RPG elements.

Speaking with Gamasutra, Howard stated:

"You look at Call of Duty, the most popular game in the world, and that's actually pretty hardcore. At the end of the day, it's a hardcore game, has RPG elements in multiplayer, making classes, picking perks. I think the audiences are there, and we tend to make our game more for ourselves and other people who play a lot of games."

Yeah. Bethesda rocks! Call of Duty is the best game in the world. Even God plays it in heaven because it's so hardcore, badass and it's an RPG.
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So that's where TES fans get their logic from? No wonder why they consider Skyrim to be uber badass and awesome. I wouldn't be shocked if it was revealed that Skyrim took lessons from Call of Duty. Both games lead you by the hand, both games have short main stories and both games have emphasis on one feature and one feature only.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 19 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[Addai]

Todd was talking about how RPG elements are being used in other types of games, as a testament to the continued viability of the RPG.

God, why am I even responding since all you're doing is trolling about something that's completely off topic to the MMO rumors. If you liked Dark Souls, fine. A game that markets itself on the phrase "you're going to die a lot" is not my thing. I mean, is there any story to it at all? It doesn't matter. If you like it, that's your deal. Who the **** cares.

[Morroian]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Hey. If Skyrim is your thing, that's okay but just remember, Call of Duty is a hardcore RPG according to Todd Howard:
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http://www.msxbox-wo...g-elements.html

[i]Todd Howard, design director on Bethesda Softworks' Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, has said Call of Duty is hardcore and its multiplayer component has RPG elements.

Speaking with Gamasutra, Howard stated:

"You look at Call of Duty, the most popular game in the world, and that's actually pretty hardcore. At the end of the day, it's a hardcore game, has RPG elements in multiplayer, making classes, picking perks. I think the audiences are there, and we tend to make our game more for ourselves and other people who play a lot of games."

I think your english comprehension needs some work.

[Eternal Phoenix]

greengoron89 wrote...

Lawlz. Oblivion and Morrowind don't even have anywhere near the same amount of users reviewing them as Skyrim - and you conveniently leave out the total number of people who are reviewing the game. You also harp on the PS3 version, which is a buggy mess - unlike the PC and Xbox 360 versions which are great successes and still dwarf Dark Souls in the number of user reviews and match it in user scores.

Also, you want a few facts to back up my post? Here you are:

http://www.videogame...ine-players.htm (quarter of a million Skyrim players, not 5 million - still highest number of concurrent players for any game)

http://www.pcmag.com...,2397453,00.asp

(already been over Skyrim crushing Dark Souls in sales)

Your attempts to "prove" Dark Souls is better are futile. Dark Souls will never touch Skyrim - not now, not ever. You can continue opining about it if you want, but I'm done entertaining your delusions of grandeur.

Oh, and LOL @ using Morrowind and Oblivion as references - just like Dark Souls, the number of Skyrim user reviews exceed those of Morrowind and Oblivion by a large margin.

GG, Elton.

EDIT: Also, he says the game is "hardcore game with RPG elements", not "hardcore RPG." Bad reading comprehension FTW.

Once again (and repeat after me):

Sales. Do. Not. Make. A. Game. Great.

If so. Then Call of Duty is the best game in the world which is what you seem to agree with. The only one who is deluded here is you and no cares what Todd said exactly. The point is that he's still calling Call of Duty (a FPS game) a hardcore game which RPG players could enjoy. classes do not equal role playing elements otherwise we enter the scenario where all games are literally RPG's because you're assuming the role of someone. It's no surprise that Todd Howard would think that an FPS is an RPG though since Skyrim was pretty much a very stream-lined and dumbed down RPG.

Dark Souls crushed Skyrim in terms of user score. Unlike Skyrim, Dark Souls doesn't have many negative reviews on any sites. Dark Souls and the Souls series grew due to word of mouth whereas Skyrim grew due to advertising on Bethesda's part. It doesn't take a genius to work out what the player liked more. Fans of Dark Souls are more passionate for a reason about their game and Dark Souls (and even Demon's Souls) continue to increase in sales due to word of mouth.

GG green.

Since you seem too deluded to understand a simple factor, I am going to repeat this rather simple factor again. Repeat after me:

Sales. Do. Not. Make. A. Game. Great. 

And again:

Sales. Do. Not. Make. A. Game. Great. 

One more time:

Sales. Do. Not. Make. A. Game. Great. 

Now do we understand or are you going to continue to proclaim that Skyrim is better because it sold more? I think that even you know that Dark Souls is better which is why your only defense is that Skyrim sold more. In terms of the game that people enjoyed more, Dark Souls won.

http://www.eurogamer...k-souls-article 

Morroian wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Hey. If Skyrim is your thing, that's okay but just remember, Call of Duty is a hardcore RPG according to Todd Howard:
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http://www.msxbox-wo...g-elements.html

[i]Todd Howard, design director on Bethesda Softworks' Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, has said Call of Duty is hardcore and its multiplayer component has RPG elements.

Speaking with Gamasutra, Howard stated:

"You look at Call of Duty, the most popular game in the world, and that's actually pretty hardcore. At the end of the day, it's a hardcore game, has RPG elements in multiplayer, making classes, picking perks. I think the audiences are there, and we tend to make our game more for ourselves and other people who play a lot of games."

I think your english comprehension needs some work.

 

Answered above.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 19 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[Yrkoon]

Elton John is dead wrote...

But yeah. I guess I'm wrong.

  Yep.  And don't forget  comical.

Skyrim has sold  10.  Million.  Copies.

Your argument will never overcome this.   Darksouls   is still struggling to sell 1/5th of that amount.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Yrkoon wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

But yeah. I guess I'm wrong.

And comical.

Skyrim has sold  10.  Million.  Copies.

Your argument will never overcome this.   Darksouls is  still strugging to sell 1/5th of that amount.

Yeah and Mass Effect 3 will also sell just as many copies soon just as Call of Duty and Battlefield have. Advertise a game and hype it up before release and people will flock like sheep but that doesn't change the fact that there's a lot of negative reaction to Skyrim.

If Dragon Age 3 is a FPS that sucks gameplay wise but sales 20 million copies, does that mean it's the best game ever? Don't make me laugh.

http://www.eurogamer...k-souls-article 

Read the comments, read the article. Dark Souls won. I ain't no fan boy of Dark Souls. I actually came into this thread with Dragon's Dogma remember? I've played Skyrim as I've played Dark Souls and my honest opinion is that Dark Souls has the more traditional RPG feel whereas Skyrim is a polished turd filled with bugs. Most agree that Dark Souls plays more like a traditional RPG and you'd only hate it if you hate old styled RPG's. No one cares about sales and if sales is all that matters to TES fanboys then there's no point continuing this argument. 

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 19 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[Yrkoon]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

But yeah. I guess I'm wrong.

And comical.

Skyrim has sold  10.  Million.  Copies.

Your argument will never overcome this.   Darksouls is  still strugging to sell 1/5th of that amount.

Yeah and Mass Effect 3 will also sell just as many copies soon

No.  It probably won't.  It'll likely top off at about  5-6 million, if Bioware is extremely lucky

And it doesn't matter.  We weren't discussing ME3.    We were discussing  Skyrim  vs your silly   fringe jrpg.  Fail more, please.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[Addai]

That is not what Todd Howard was saying. He was talking about RPG elements showing up in other types of games. Why in the world would he promote Call of Duty to RPG players? That makes no sense. Because it only works as troll logic.

[Morroian]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Read the comments, read the article. Dark Souls won. I ain't no fan boy of Dark Souls. I actually came into this thread with Dragon's Dogma remember? I've played Skyrim as I've played Dark Souls and my honest opinion is that Dark Souls has the more traditional RPG feel whereas Skyrim is a polished turd filled with bugs. Most agree that Dark Souls plays more like a traditional RPG and you'd only hate it if you hate old styled RPG's. No one cares about sales and if sales is all that matters to TES fanboys then there's no point continuing this argument. 

What did Dark Souls win? Neither Dark Souls nor Skyrim are exactly what I would call a hardcore rpg but Skyrim is closer. And Skyrim didn't just sell 10m on the back of advertising, its built on previous elder scroll games. Plus they aren't exactly comparable, Dark Souls is an ultra hard action rpg, Skyrim is a sandbox rpg. Both have different aims.

Modifié par Morroian, 19 mars 2012 - 01:14 .

[Yrkoon]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Sales. Do. Not. Make. A. Game. Great.

They are, however, the  ultimate  measurement of victory and defeat when trying to determine whether one game "kicked another's ass"... or whatever gibberish you  have been trying to  argue on this thread.

 Lets just Give  this silly playschool discussion a rest.  The two games are not even comparable, let alone competable.  One is an extremely high budget  mainstream AAA title, while the other is a fringe  JRPG  not even available  most stores  in the west.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[naughty99]

Morroian wrote...
What did Dark Souls win? 

Dark Souls won the epic battle for Elton's seal of approval. 

Skyrim won some other stuff.

Modifié par naughty99, 19 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

lets not argue over whom won against whom, that does not help our relationships.

[android654]

I do have to agree, sales don't equal quality. That being said, I just got my hands on Skyrim and am enjoying the f**k out of it. I've done so little of the main story and I've done so much. For those of you who know it, I just met the "master" of the Grey Beards and I'm at level 20. I've got so much more to do on the side that I almost forgot their was a main campaign to play.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

greengoron89 wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

lets not argue over whom won against whom, that does not help our relationships.

There are no "relationships." YOU'RE ALL ABOMINATIONS.

That was one of the funniest convos I've ever experienced in an RPG.

[android654]

greengoron89 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I do have to agree, sales don't equal quality. That being said, I just got my hands on Skyrim and am enjoying the f**k out of it. I've done so little of the main story and I've done so much. For those of you who know it, I just met the "master" of the Grey Beards and I'm at level 20. I've got so much more to do on the side that I almost forgot their was a main campaign to play.

That wasn't really the point - "quality" is subjective in the sense we were discussing. Objectively (meaning sales and critical acclaim), however, Skyrim is king of the hill, no contest.

Agreed. Well for the moment, I've got my eye on Dragon's Dogma, but the two are so different that I doubt any sane person could make a comparrison.

[Gotholhorakh]

I would far, *far* rather see an NWNesque online multiplayer model, perhaps small groups of adventurers in co-op and so on, than MMOs as we know them.

Modern MMOs are great if you can close your eyes to the way they're 99% meh, plastered over with a reward/addiction system about as sophisticated as a fruit machine - to the point where you can actually feel compelled to play, and bored at the same time.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 19 mars 2012 - 09:56 .