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[1490]

10 Steps Back wrote...

1490 wrote...

Nah, I don't think he was "stereotyped." Jacob suffered from "nice guys finish last" syndrome in ME 2, so nobody dated him in comparison to badasses like Garrus and Thane. I think Bioware figured he might as well find some closure with another women since essentially nobody romanced him. I mean, for those who did, that sucks, but let's face it: only 0.01% of you did with your favorite Shepard.

They could have at leas added a few lines wheere Jacob breaks up with Shepard, it wouldn't have been much effort to have at least an email from Jacob saying that.

I mean I know Jacobmancers are the minority here but I still don't think it's fair to just say to those fans that they don't care about them. A fan shouldn't just be treated like that.

True.  I guess the word I would pick for Bioware would be "lazy" not "stereotyping." If they figure the small minority of people romanced him, they can give him less dialogue and less screen time, meaning less they have to pay the VA and less they have to pay the animators.

[Lugaidster]

If anything he wasn't. In crappy movies black guys always die...

[1490]

Sparatus wrote...

1490 wrote...

So what, the only male romance option for femshep is Garrus then?  I mean Garrus is cool, but that seems hardly fair considering how many options there are for man shep.

Garrus and Kaidan.

And Garrus can't be romanced in 3.

Oh yeah, Kaiden.  I had Ash in my playthrough so far so i forgot about that one.  But I know you can romance Garrus in ME3. I haven't done it yet, but I've seen people mentioning it everywhere on here.

[GnusmasTHX]

Does he cheat on you?

A lot of the LI's presume between games that you're no longer together and you have to reaffirm you are.

[atheelogos]

AndersIsLush wrote...

Kaidan waited. He said he didn't see anyone else. /d'awww

actually he started talking with another girl for a bit if read the emails in ME2.

[The Angry One]

atheelogos wrote...

AndersIsLush wrote...

Kaidan waited. He said he didn't see anyone else. /d'awww

actually he started talking with another girl for a bit if read the emails in ME2.

Because his friends pressured him to, he says it didn't go anywhere due to thinking about Shep.

[RVallant]

Ha yeah. Kaidan waits two years, he only just finally gets a 'blind date' at the end of that two years. Jacob sure moved fast.

For Male sheps it was fine, but even then I got the feeling he was just so very different from what I remember. I suppose the suicide mission made him wuss out a bit (fair enough tho).

[Wattoes]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

eww people like fenris? he's walking talking pile of trying to hard to brood. worst character bioware has ever written. easily.

Ya but he was Balthier, who was by far the best character in ff12, and one of the best in the entire FF series.  He gets a free pass no matter what he does.

[Tleining]

@ 1490
bit different. You can CONTINUE the Relationship with Garrus. You can't START a romance with him in ME3 after romancing someone else in ME2.

[OriginalNameGuy]

He is a brave guy to cheat on Commander Shepard.

[atheelogos]

The Angry One wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

AndersIsLush wrote...

Kaidan waited. He said he didn't see anyone else. /d'awww

actually he started talking with another girl for a bit if read the emails in ME2.

Because his friends pressured him to

Point stands. He tried moving on cuz ya know.... Shep was dead. And usually people don't come back from the dead, so I don't see why people think he was waiting on you. He had a hard time moving on this is true, but he wasn't waiting.

Modifié par atheelogos, 17 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[1490]

RVallant wrote...


Ha yeah. Kaidan waits two years, he only just finally gets a 'blind date' at the end of that two years. Jacob sure moved fast.

For Male sheps it was fine, but even then I got the feeling he was just so very different from what I remember. I suppose the suicide mission made him wuss out a bit (fair enough tho).

I think what makes this look really bad is that Liara and Ash/Kaiden were separated from Shepard for over two years and waited out for Shepard, whereas Jacob very swiftly moved on and got a chick pregnant within 6 months.  In Jacob's defense though (in game), the galaxy is going to hell in a handbasket and anyone could die any day.  That kind of adversity really brings people together, and love comes from strange places.  Also, he had no idea if he would ever see Shepard again after the Arrival incident and had no way of contacting her either: what was he supposed to do, stay single forever just hoping he'd see her again?

Out of game, I think his being black is completely incidental.  I think he was simply an unpopular character due to the way he was written, and Bioware slacked on him in ME3 because they figured nobody would care that much.

[DigitalMaster37]

10 Steps Back wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

This thread is full of stereotypes. Not all black men are like this. hell I could say some other races are stereotyped in this game as well, so it's pointless to discuss just him. All the father situations have there truths in society.

Umm, that's kinda the point of stereotypes, they show situations based on common misconception that the media has presented. 

I know, which is why I do in fact have a problem with the way he is portrayed. I am a black man with a family. one wife (of 10 years), two kids all from same wife with a damn good career. Total opposite of those stereotypes, so it gets old fast hearing and seeing those damn stereotypes. Too bad... too bad. 

[Jarlaxlecq]

2Shepards wrote...

Miranda waits for you, but dies.
Jacob doesn't wait and cheats.
Thane...dies.
ME2 LI's are cursed.

Miranda didnt die in my game, your doing it wrong...

that said Kelly died on my watch and i was pissed about that 

[1490]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I know, which is why I do in fact have a problem with the way he is portrayed. I am a black man with a family. one wife (of 10 years), two kids all from same wife with a damn good career. Total opposite of those stereotypes, so it gets old fast hearing and seeing those damn stereotypes. Too bad... too bad. 

I would put a positive spin on this and say that Jacob also wanted to be a family man.  His relationship with Shepard was short, and he had no guarantee he would see her again after she was charged with war crimes.  He can either decide to potentially be alone forever, or to move on and try to start a family.  It shows he is a caring guy and has hope in dark times.  

It's also possible Bioware just used that as an excuse to right him off, but I try to look at things positively.

[DigitalMaster37]

1490 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I know, which is why I do in fact have a problem with the way he is portrayed. I am a black man with a family. one wife (of 10 years), two kids all from same wife with a damn good career. Total opposite of those stereotypes, so it gets old fast hearing and seeing those damn stereotypes. Too bad... too bad. 

I would put a positive spin on this and say that Jacob also wanted to be a family man.  His relationship with Shepard was short, and he had no guarantee he would see her again after she was charged with war crimes.  He can either decide to potentially be alone forever, or to move on and try to start a family.  It shows he is a caring guy and has hope in dark times.  

It's also possible Bioware just used that as an excuse to right him off, but I try to look at things positively.

That's a good perspective actually. 

[The Angry One]

atheelogos wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

AndersIsLush wrote...

Kaidan waited. He said he didn't see anyone else. /d'awww

actually he started talking with another girl for a bit if read the emails in ME2.

Because his friends pressured him to

Point stands. He tried moving on cuz ya know.... Shep was dead. And usually people don't come back from the dead, so I don't see why people think he was waiting on you. He had a hard time moving on this is true, but he wasn't waiting.

Compare: Kaidan trying (and failing) to move on after friends push him into it after years, knowing Shep died.
To: Jacob immediately finding someone else and knocking her up knowing Shep is alive and well.

[nitefyre410]

Um.. stuff happen circumstances changed... like Shepard being in jail... him still being with Cerberus at the time... yeah... Romances happen like ... some are just for a reason, some a season and some life time... Jacob falls into a reason and a season...

[1490]

The Angry One wrote...

Compare: Kaidan trying (and failing) to move on after friends push him into it after years, knowing Shep died.
To: Jacob immediately finding someone else and knocking her up knowing Shep is alive and well.

It looks bad comparitively, but Jacob and Kaidan are two different people also.  I think Kaiden is much more of a career soldier than Jacob, who is trying to find his place in life (left the Alliance, then left Cerberus, then joined up with the scientists: obviously not nailed down what he wants).  Just because Jacob chose to move on in the face of uncertainty doesn't make it "wrong," per se. See my above comment.

[Vhalkyrie]

Jacob wanted to settle down and have a family. Shepard couldn't give that to him. Makes sense to me.

[syllogi]

1490 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I know, which is why I do in fact have a problem with the way he is portrayed. I am a black man with a family. one wife (of 10 years), two kids all from same wife with a damn good career. Total opposite of those stereotypes, so it gets old fast hearing and seeing those damn stereotypes. Too bad... too bad. 

I would put a positive spin on this and say that Jacob also wanted to be a family man.  His relationship with Shepard was short, and he had no guarantee he would see her again after she was charged with war crimes.  He can either decide to potentially be alone forever, or to move on and try to start a family.  It shows he is a caring guy and has hope in dark times.  

It's also possible Bioware just used that as an excuse to right him off, but I try to look at things positively.

Yeah, but Bioware handled it terribly.  I want to believe that they weren't intentionally crapping on Jacob, but I don't see any upside to making him cheat on FemShep.  He could have broken up with her honorably, even by email.  He could have not done anything with Brynn until he saw FemShep, and then told her that things were not going to work, because he had feelings for another woman.

If he actually thought that Shepard was dead, I can see your point.  But he knew where Shepard was for those six months before the beginning of the game, and he could have gotten a message to her.  And since Shepard turned herself in willingly, if Jacob thought he would never see her again, that would have been a perfect opportunity to break up with her.  He didn't, he cheated, and acted really bizarrely when FemShep meets him again.

Basically, the scenes with Jacob are fine when you're not romancing him, but they are HORRIBLE if you were.  There's no way to spin it positively.  He was a jerk.

[J-Reyno]

Jacob has always been stereotyped, just listen to his one-liners in ME2. BW did this purposely. I had him killed during the suicide mission for that reason.

[The Angry One]

1490 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Compare: Kaidan trying (and failing) to move on after friends push him into it after years, knowing Shep died.
To: Jacob immediately finding someone else and knocking her up knowing Shep is alive and well.

It looks bad comparitively, but Jacob and Kaidan are two different people also.  I think Kaiden is much more of a career soldier than Jacob, who is trying to find his place in life (left the Alliance, then left Cerberus, then joined up with the scientists: obviously not nailed down what he wants).  Just because Jacob chose to move on in the face of uncertainty doesn't make it "wrong," per se. See my above comment.

Again, it wouldn't be so conspicuous if not for the fact that everybody waits for Shep except Jacob.

The fact that FemShep gets screwed on both the ME2 character romances *and* apparently doesn't get a shot with Ashley while ManShep can get Kaidan (feel free to confirm if neither of these are true, haven't checked myself) means FemShep gets significantly less options.

[JesseLee202]

lol yes he was, just look back at his ME2 loyalty mission.