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[Vhalkyrie]

The Angry One wrote...

Again, it wouldn't be so conspicuous if not for the fact that everybody waits for Shep except Jacob.

The fact that FemShep gets screwed on both the ME2 character romances *and* apparently doesn't get a shot with Ashley while ManShep can get Kaidan (feel free to confirm if neither of these are true, haven't checked myself) means FemShep gets significantly less options.

I didn't romance Jacob (I waited for Kaidan).  From my perspective, I thought it was cool that Jacob found someone and settled down.  But he was the only one that didn't wait for Shepard if you romanced him?  That does look kinda bad.

I also thought it interesting that Vega was a flirty playah that was hot on Shepard, but a committed romance wasn't an option.  I was committed to Kaidan, but I was still like, hmm.

[Red Dust]

Knocking up a Cerberus scientist?...Heavy risk...

[The Angry One]

Put it this way, remember how some Liaramancers (that's a word now) reacted over Feron? Despite the fact that they didn't have a thing? They just overreacted, but still.

[1490]

syllogi wrote...

Yeah, but Bioware handled it terribly.  I want to believe that they weren't intentionally crapping on Jacob, but I don't see any upside to making him cheat on FemShep.  He could have broken up with her honorably, even by email.  He could have not done anything with Brynn until he saw FemShep, and then told her that things were not going to work, because he had feelings for another woman.

If he actually thought that Shepard was dead, I can see your point.  But he knew where Shepard was for those six months before the beginning of the game, and he could have gotten a message to her.  And since Shepard turned herself in willingly, if Jacob thought he would never see her again, that would have been a perfect opportunity to break up with her.  He didn't, he cheated, and acted really bizarrely when FemShep meets him again.

Basically, the scenes with Jacob are fine when you're not romancing him, but they are HORRIBLE if you were.  There's no way to spin it positively.  He was a jerk.

The Angry One wrote...

Again, it wouldn't be so conspicuous if not for the fact that everybody waits for Shep except Jacob.

The
fact that FemShep gets screwed on both the ME2 character romances *and*
apparently doesn't get a shot with Ashley while ManShep can get Kaidan
(feel free to confirm if neither of these are true, haven't checked
myself) means FemShep gets significantly less options.

I mean, I can agree with both of you there.  My point is that (let's just come out and say it) Jacob being a black man had absolutely nothing to do, in game or through whatever perceptions Bioware might have, for him to take the actions that he did.  I think it made sense for his character: it wasn't just some added stereotype.  Out of game, I think the reason for the action was Bioware laziness myself.

[CHALET]

People romanced Jacob?

I dunno, I felt it was quite a nice surprise. The whole world isn't going to wait on Shepard after all. I'm shocked there was no "punch Jacob in the bollocks" and "cat-fight with Brynn" option though. I did find it a sweet little arc if you're a bro-Shep or didn't romance him but if you did... well. I can imagine the birthday would be a bit awkward:

"Daddy, how did you come up with my name?"
"Because it was the name of the woman I cheated on with mummy"

Modifié par CHALET, 17 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[nitefyre410]

The Angry One wrote...

1490 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Compare: Kaidan trying (and failing) to move on after friends push him into it after years, knowing Shep died.
To: Jacob immediately finding someone else and knocking her up knowing Shep is alive and well.

It looks bad comparitively, but Jacob and Kaidan are two different people also.  I think Kaiden is much more of a career soldier than Jacob, who is trying to find his place in life (left the Alliance, then left Cerberus, then joined up with the scientists: obviously not nailed down what he wants).  Just because Jacob chose to move on in the face of uncertainty doesn't make it "wrong," per se. See my above comment.

Again, it wouldn't be so conspicuous if not for the fact that everybody waits for Shep except Jacob.

The fact that FemShep gets screwed on both the ME2 character romances *and* apparently doesn't get a shot with Ashley while ManShep can get Kaidan (feel free to confirm if neither of these are true, haven't checked myself) means FemShep gets significantly less options.

 

FemShep/Ashley Romance...  HNNNNNNGGGGGHHHH  
* Fan BSOD*  too much smexy . 

[1490]

CHALET wrote...

People romanced Jacob?

I dunno, I felt it was quite a nice surprise. The whole world isn't going to wait on Shepard after all. I'm shocked there was no "punch Jacob in the bollocks" and "cat-fight with Brynn" option though. I can imagine the birthday would be a bit awkward:

"Daddy, how did you come up with my name?"
"Because it was the name of the woman I cheated on with mummy"

Jacob's generic lines have never fit with the femshep romance though.  In ME2 after his loyalty mission, Jacob is talking about Miranda and always says, "she deserves a better man than I," implying that Miranda is better than Shepard.  If it's one thing you never, ever do to the girl you are dating, it's comparing them to other girls!

[Arokel]

Hello Man wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

So your telling me if femshep romanced Jacob in ME2 the mentioning of getting the scientist pregnant still happens in ME3? Wow really.

The best part is it felt like the writer's were insulting me. Jacob acts like a smug **** (and doesn't really act like Jacob did in Mass Effect 2) and Brynn brags about stealing him away.

Never before have I needed a renegade interrupt. I can barely even tell Jacob off, and Shepard just compliments Brynn.

He may be a unpopular character and like what story doesn't but seriously I think that's wrong.

Wow I feel really bad for all of the Jacob romancers out there now.  I kinda think it was good to have at least one romance not work out but still...

[atheelogos]

The Angry One wrote...

1490 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Compare: Kaidan trying (and failing) to move on after friends push him into it after years, knowing Shep died.
To: Jacob immediately finding someone else and knocking her up knowing Shep is alive and well.

It looks bad comparitively, but Jacob and Kaidan are two different people also.  I think Kaiden is much more of a career soldier than Jacob, who is trying to find his place in life (left the Alliance, then left Cerberus, then joined up with the scientists: obviously not nailed down what he wants).  Just because Jacob chose to move on in the face of uncertainty doesn't make it "wrong," per se. See my above comment.

The fact that FemShep gets screwed on both the ME2 character romances *and* apparently doesn't get a shot with Ashley 

well some people just aren't gay..... What are ya gonna do? Have femshep tie Ash down and make her like it?...... Wait that sounds kinda hot:wub: Ignore me..... lol 

Modifié par atheelogos, 17 mars 2012 - 03:00 .

[BigBubbaBacon]

Sparatus wrote...

Yeah, he was probably the least popular character in 2. Sucks. But no one was really interested in the normal person in a game full of larger than life badasses.

But then again, none of the Mass Effect 2 romances (not counting Garrus and Tali) got satisfying conclusions either. Thane and Jacob just got the worst of it.

Honestly, other than the fact that the Thane romance doesn't give you the "paramour" trophy, I don't really see an issue with how it plays out. Thane and Shepard were two people, both of whom had led rough lives, and at a dark moment needed each other. I don't think there was ever a realistic scenario where they would end up together.

I can understand being mad about Thane not giving the Paramour trophy, but overall I think his story arc plays out beautifully.

[Dean_the_Young]

It wasn't a stereotype, but it was abruptly out of character for someone whose main (some say only) selling points were stability and actually saying 'I love you.' Jacob was supposed to be the stand-up guy, true to his convictions, and the antithesis of the narrow-vision, short-sighted aspect of his father.


When Jacob isn't romanced, it's perfectly fine. When he is... well, I honestly wonder if there's a bug or some buried dialogue.

I'd expect Garrus, who has a history of quitting when frustrated, before Jacob, and I'd be appaled at Garrus as well.

[kevchy]

Sparatus wrote...

1490 wrote...

So what, the only male romance option for femshep is Garrus then?  I mean Garrus is cool, but that seems hardly fair considering how many options there are for man shep.

Garrus and Kaidan.

And Garrus can't be romanced in 3.

The thing is, Kaidan can die in ME1. Garrus can die in ME2.

It is possible your femshep can never have a male romance option in ME3.

[1490]

Sparatus wrote...

kevchy wrote...

The thing is, Kaidan can die in ME1. Garrus can die in ME2.

It is possible your femshep can never have a male romance option in ME3.

I know.  Which is why it is so irritating.

Why not James?  I heard femshep can't romance him. Femshep even flirts with him, why didn't they include him as a romance? Did Bioware just assume femshep players don't like to romance human males because of Jacob's lack of popularity?

[Spectre Impersonator]

I got mad at Jacob when he tried to act like he knew my Shepard and said: "The Normandy's your only love, you'll never be content after the war, you're just a soldier, you don't want a family like me."

He don't know me like that.

[pharsti]

Jacob?

Anyone who "romanced" Jacob should have had him killed in the suicide mission.

[1490]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

I got mad at Jacob when he tried to act like he knew my Shepard and said: "The Normandy's your only love, you'll never be content after the war, you're just a soldier, you don't want a family like me."

He don't know me like that.

He says that??? That's pretty cold.

[Vhalkyrie]

kevchy wrote...

The thing is, Kaidan can die in ME1. Garrus can die in ME2.

It is possible your femshep can never have a male romance option in ME3.

What?  ARG.  I realize us girl gamers are in the extreme minority (especially for this franchise), but this is a lame exclusion.

[Red Dust]

pharsti wrote...

Jacob?

Anyone who "romanced" Jacob should have had him killed in the suicide mission.

...Heavy risk..

[1490]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

kevchy wrote...

The thing is, Kaidan can die in ME1. Garrus can die in ME2.

It is possible your femshep can never have a male romance option in ME3.

What?  ARG.  I realize us girl gamers are in the extreme minority (especially for this franchise), but this is a lame exclusion.

I wouldn' t say "extreme minority" anymore. I've seen a ton of female ME players on here and other places like deviant art.  I think Bioware kind of shafted the female players in ME 3.

[The Angry One]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

kevchy wrote...

The thing is, Kaidan can die in ME1. Garrus can die in ME2.

It is possible your femshep can never have a male romance option in ME3.

What?  ARG.  I realize us girl gamers are in the extreme minority (especially for this franchise), but this is a lame exclusion.

Not really, according to statistics. But it's still seen that way by marketers.
But yeah, that sounds pretty dumb.

[nitefyre410]

atheelogos wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

*snip*

well some people just aren't gay..... What are ya gonna do? Have femshep tie Ash down and make her like it?...... Wait that sounds kinda hot:wub: Ignore me..... lol 

 

*reboots* 

*reads  above  comment.* 
 
Tie down.... feathers, ice..  

*Fan BSOD too much smexy*  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 17 mars 2012 - 03:12 .