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[Spyre2001]

ArkenRennatta wrote...

Dragon Age Origins is my all time favourite Bioware game, and was my all time favourite game in general up until playing The Withcer 2, and now I realize who was responsible for making that game so great, and why the company has fallen so far since the heights of that game. I regret not looking into the changes of management, staff, and writing earlier, it would have saved a lot've heartache. I see now why the company isn't what it used to be, because it literally isn't. The people just aren't there anymore, aren't as invested in their craft as they are invested in the all mighty dollar. I need to start following this guy more.

This is what I keep trying to tell people when that talk about how great BW "was" and all it's past success and their "faith" in BW. BW is just a brand name that EA bought up. Most of the leads that made BW into the company we all knew and loved are gone. It's obvious that EA has taken the helm and the BW people we hear from are little more than puppets. This is so that when bad things happen EA can drop them and hire someone new and "pretend" things have changed. It's a common corporate practice.

The gaming community as a whole needs to start following Developers and Writers the way they follow Actors and Directors for movies. The gaming industry attaches too much importance on a company branch name. It would be like someone going "Oh it's a WB film it must be great. Or look it's another terrible movie from FOX studios". It does happen to some extent for studios that only make one kind of movies, such as with Disney and Pixar. But as a whole people look more to who's name is on the credits than what company financed it.

[Beldamon]

ArkenRennatta wrote...

The gaming community as a whole needs to start following Developers and Writers the way they follow Actors and Directors for movies. The gaming industry attaches too much importance on a company branch name. It would be like someone going "Oh it's a WB film it must be great. Or look it's another terrible movie from FOX studios". It does happen to some extent for studios that only make one kind of movies, such as with Disney and Pixar. But as a whole people look more to who's name is on the credits than what company financed it.

Lesson learned.  School of hard knocks.

Modifié par Beldamon, 20 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Apathy1989]

So THATS why bioware games have had such crappy endings lately.

[ClericofDeath286]

Spyre2001 wrote...

ArkenRennatta wrote...

Dragon Age Origins is my all time favourite Bioware game, and was my all time favourite game in general up until playing The Withcer 2, and now I realize who was responsible for making that game so great, and why the company has fallen so far since the heights of that game. I regret not looking into the changes of management, staff, and writing earlier, it would have saved a lot've heartache. I see now why the company isn't what it used to be, because it literally isn't. The people just aren't there anymore, aren't as invested in their craft as they are invested in the all mighty dollar. I need to start following this guy more.

This is what I keep trying to tell people when that talk about how great BW "was" and all it's past success and their "faith" in BW. BW is just a brand name that EA bought up. Most of the leads that made BW into the company we all knew and loved are gone. It's obvious that EA has taken the helm and the BW people we hear from are little more than puppets. This is so that when bad things happen EA can drop them and hire someone new and "pretend" things have changed. It's a common corporate practice.

The gaming community as a whole needs to start following Developers and Writers the way they follow Actors and Directors for movies. The gaming industry attaches too much importance on a company branch name. It would be like someone going "Oh it's a WB film it must be great. Or look it's another terrible movie from FOX studios". It does happen to some extent for studios that only make one kind of movies, such as with Disney and Pixar. But as a whole people look more to who's name is on the credits than what company financed it.

I Agree with you, Writers and Developers are who we need to follow if we plan to get what we want out the this branch of media.  It also would in soem ways make companies a bit more honest and allow greater creative control if a developer can sway a large group by leaving a company if its all going to hell.  Sadly we're still in that models origins at this time.

Modifié par ClericofDeath286, 20 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[LegatoSkyheart]

We need more Developers like him.

[maki0129]

This is exactly my problem with the ending.

I finished ME:1 for the first time, managing to convince Saren to shoot himself and I felt like a gorram hero.

I finished ME:2, I lost Thane, but kept most of my crew intact, saved everyone in the Normandy, and I felt like gorram hero.

I finished Dragon Age, my elf rogue sacrificed himself to kill the dragon, in spite of my romance to Morrigan, it was deeply sad. But I still felt like a gorram hero.

I finished Dragon Age II, and even though the plot was non-sensical, I still managed to kill that monster thing and save most of everyone, so I felt like a gorram hero.

I finished ME:3... and my Shepard just decided to lay down and take this nonsensical explanation given to me at face value and went for his favorite color explosion.

Just when it mattered most, Shepard decided to just go with "OKAY, I pick Green."

I didn't feel like a hero.

I felt like a putz.

[chkchkchk]

Brent Knowles is an old school roleplayer. He gets it. My favourite scifi film is "2001: A Space Odyssey", but I'd probably flip a table if I'd experienced that as a 100-hour roleplaying game.

I thought Dragon Age: Origins had a bland Tolkienesque setting, but the conclusion was quite satisfying. I liked the little text blurbs that explained so-and-so was traveling, or that so-and-so was sticking around in the kingdom, etc, etc. Could have used that for ME3's ending.

link33333 wrote...

I wonder what Drew Karpyshyn thinks about the tragic conclusion of the series that he fathered. Turning such a masterpiece of science fiction into a plot hole ridden debacle after he retired.

After seeing some of the stuff Karpyshyn was working on for the ending... yes, I'd be pretty interested. Someone should ask him on Twitter or something.

[Tyrzun]

Thanks Legend for posting that.

So, many Bioware fans don't understand why the ME 3 mess isn't a surprise.

The original leads are all gone.  Like Brent.  Drew was the guy that CREATED the Mass Effect universe and was the lead writer and he penned ALL three stories and how they would go.  He ALSO left Bioware before ME 3 was made.  I think it's clear to see why with the why they back stabbed everyone.  He saw it coming.

Bioware is no longer your RPG company people.  Wake up.  RPGS are a small niche market compared to the action adventure community where you are not making choices that matter at the end of the game, while in the middle of the game etc...

DA O actually had the "BEST endings" because we actually determined the endings based on al of our "in game" choices before the end.

RIP Bioware as the maker of amazing player driven RPGs.  Many companies came before you and thought they could do whatever they wanted too... they no longer exist.

We'll find a new company willing to make the games we enjoy.  You set the bar high with ME 1-2, DA, and KOTOR, and your ideas have spread.  As you move away from them, other companies are moving towards them.

Support those new RPG making compaies.  KOA has promise.  Support 38 studios and maybe the sequel will have the funds to do full voice acting and adding squads etc...  Bioware certainly isn't interested anymore.

[Plasma Prestige]

 While I didn't like DA:O too much because of its gameplay, I did find the narrative very compelling. It's unfortunate to think that someone like Knowles no longer works at Bioware.

[Tony Redgrave]

Excellent. He hit it spot on.

Brent Knowles and Drew Karpyshyn for presidents!

Modifié par Spaz85, 20 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Sonicsnak3]

thank you Brent Knowles, you just voiced the entire issue we have had basically. If only IGN's Colin Moriarty could read this and get him to shut up taking the ****** out of us

[NekOoNinja]

Tyrzun wrote...

Thanks Legend for posting that.

So, many Bioware fans don't understand why the ME 3 mess isn't a surprise.

The original leads are all gone.  Like Brent.  Drew was the guy that CREATED the Mass Effect universe and was the lead writer and he penned ALL three stories and how they would go.  He ALSO left Bioware before ME 3 was made.  I think it's clear to see why with the why they back stabbed everyone.  He saw it coming.

Bioware is no longer your RPG company people.  Wake up.  RPGS are a small niche market compared to the action adventure community where you are not making choices that matter at the end of the game, while in the middle of the game etc...

DA O actually had the "BEST endings" because we actually determined the endings based on al of our "in game" choices before the end.

RIP Bioware as the maker of amazing player driven RPGs.  Many companies came before you and thought they could do whatever they wanted too... they no longer exist.

We'll find a new company willing to make the games we enjoy.  You set the bar high with ME 1-2, DA, and KOTOR, and your ideas have spread.  As you move away from them, other companies are moving towards them.

Support those new RPG making compaies.  KOA has promise.  Support 38 studios and maybe the sequel will have the funds to do full voice acting and adding squads etc...  Bioware certainly isn't interested anymore.

Had it in my guts, but that was the confirmation. Darnit, I saw the big EA PR machine going at the Gamescom and was still joking about it - BioWare was totally drowned out, EA logos plastered everywhere. Rude PR people dissing me because I reufsed their "Origin discount voucher" because nodwadays I'm a XBOX player. I asked politely : "What about XBOX players?" And the PR woman said: "What?! Be happy YOU are getting something to FREE! "

True Story. So with the cash-grab that is MP, the insulting DLC pop-up in the end...the ending that screams PAY MORE TO SEE THE ENDING... what am I supposed to think, as a customer?

Gotta pay more attention to the story writers next time. Seeing if I can recognize some good names.

PS: I still like ME 3. But it had potential to be something greater.

Modifié par NekOoNinja, 20 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Rencor2k]

i totally agree +1