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[VAIOMANIAC]

Well this post helped my mood gonna hold the line while I play some Dragon Age Origins

[Gigaheart]

I guess BW should use it as mini-tutorial if they ever going to change endings. If not...well...i suppose it will be a goodbye.
PS:
So thats why DA2 sucked...the guy who knew how to make games left, eh? Thats sucks.

oh and one moar thing: Hold the line!

Modifié par Gigaheart, 17 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[Razorsteel]

I need to buy Brent's games. Games now days seem to have this darkety dark theme that people seem to like. Myself having been a soldier irl, shot at, the smell of death and other crap. I like happy, victorious good endings. My soul gets tired of Greek tragedy endings. I play video games for an escape from everyday crap. Having witnessed the baseness of human behaviour firsthand, I tend to like positive endings for my efforts. Life has enough crappiness, I don't need crap sandwiches in my games.

[Legend78731]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Ahh ok, found it. Hey, OP, mind fixing the format? It's very, messy.

Done.

[Umbrellamage]

Bigdoser wrote...

nomoredruggs wrote...

Capeo wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

I though people didnt want a happy ending? Now you show your real faces

You clearly don't know the difference between happy and Heroic. In DAO you can sacrifice yourself in the end yet it is stunningly fulfilling and people mourn your loss. You die but you've earned it. Call that "happy" if you want but you clearly miss the point. 

Not to mention sacrificing your character in the end was a choice, you could afterall sacrifice Alistair (or Loghain), or none if you took a deal with the devil!
And all those endings had their place in the game!

Lets not forget the ending was satisfying because you also see how your choices impacted the various races after the battle even if you died. 

But seeing is so mainstream.  Why be satisfied with concrete closure when you can be hip and obscure and use your imagination to imagine the end of a $240 trilogy?


/sarcasm

Modifié par Umbrellamage, 17 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[aliengmr1]

interesting

[ace6633]

Deviant Seraph wrote...

ace6633 wrote...

Ah old school Bioware how I miss thee... Another thing DA:O did even though it still had an ending that rang of tragic heroism was gave an Epilogue. If ME3 had given me that bunch of paragraphs characterizing how my actions shaped the galaxy and what the fate of each of my companions was I think that would have made me accepting of the ending. I wouldn't have minded it they kept their mysteries, their ruined mass relays and their star child. The depth and closure those epilogues added to DA:O was actually astounding and what kind of effort did they take? Probably just some imaginative writers and some extra coding.

How hard would it be for them to give us at least that?

Especially if you romance Alistair and take him with you to the final battle

Exactly! and apart from that possibility I remember reading the reaction of Leiliana to my wardens death and feeling very somber at those implications.

[Tony208]

Shadowlit_Rogue wrote...

He's absolutely right, and I would assume he's the one to thank for one of the most satisfying endings I've ever played through with Dragon Age: Origins. I'm fairly certain the time I invested in that one game amounted to what I put into the Mass Effect series, and I still smile when I think about how fantastic its conclusion was.

He leaves and suddenly we get Dragon Age 2, that railroads you into a single cliffhanger ending. A cliffhanger!

It is a cliffhanger but at least it's the middle game. You could call the ME3 ending a cliffhanger. A trilogy that ends with a cliffhanger <_<

[nicksmi56]

Wow. This guy is totally right. Can he remake ME3's ending please? XD

Modifié par nicksmi56, 17 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[nicksmi56]

I think I'm gonna go buy Dragon Age Origins now

[TheOptimist]

Sounds like Bioware should rehire Brent Knowles, stat. Cause this is EXACTLY the view I want from someone making my games.

[Tony208]

nicksmi56 wrote...

I think I'm gonna go buy Dragon Age Origins now

You really should, it's a great game!

[Computer_God91]

DA:O was such a great game and I see why. He was one of the guys behind it. Very well put. Too bad more employees at Bioware don't look at it the way he did.

[Bigdoser]

Heh reading this topic puts me in the mood to play DAO again.

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

Heh, if anyone here played Baldur's Gate, you see this guy's talent first hand. Excelent character development (with much better romances than ME & DA:O i might even add), awesome plot development and many endings to close the trilogy (with the option to choose a tragic ending, if one so desires).
If your looking to play something just as good as DA:O (better even), give the BG trilogy a go, or if you dont like the old graphics, wait for the new "Enchanced Edition" thats coming out.

[ThatGuy39]

Sigh... I remember Origin Systems, and Westwood Games, and what slowly happened to them after they got bought out... please don't let this happen to Bioware....

[devSin]

I appreciate his take on the situation, and I do agree with everything he said.

[jdgjordan]

and just like that we believe again

[ApophisGoauld]

He made an excellent point!

[L33tBadMofo]

This just inspired me to replay Origins, have a proper ending to my heroic character, and enjoy the results of all my hard work.

Modifié par L33tBadMofo, 17 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[connordavisj]

Didn't he abandon ship when they were making Dragon Age II? Smart guy. :3

[SmokePants]

I thought the ending was fine, but I agree with his point and I was making this point yesterday.

For all the spurious arguments against the storytelling that people have made, the truth is that games are a different medium and especially with Bioware games, it is probably not advisable from a design standpoint to not fulfill the audience's desire for an unqualified victory, with accompanying parade. I can handle it when they go in another direction, but it doesn't seem like most can.

I think with the reaction to the DA2 and ME3 endings, Bioware is getting the message. There's still room for art in other parts of the game, but it really looks like a conservative ending is almost mandatory for this kind of experience.

For example, the Kaiden/Ashley choice was a memorable part of ME1. If that was the choice that ended the game, I don't believe it would be recalled as fondly.

Modifié par SmokePants, 17 mars 2012 - 12:20 .

[merylisk]

Yeah, I agree with him pretty much completely.

[ChandlerL]

Dylionez wrote...

Dragon Age Origins had a FANTASTIC ending (multiple might I add), he knows what he's talking about.

I agree. Even if you chose death, you still felt like a hero.

Modifié par ChandlerL, 17 mars 2012 - 12:20 .

[Shadowlit_Rogue]

Tony208 wrote...

Shadowlit_Rogue wrote...

He's absolutely right, and I would assume he's the one to thank for one of the most satisfying endings I've ever played through with Dragon Age: Origins. I'm fairly certain the time I invested in that one game amounted to what I put into the Mass Effect series, and I still smile when I think about how fantastic its conclusion was.

He leaves and suddenly we get Dragon Age 2, that railroads you into a single cliffhanger ending. A cliffhanger!

It is a cliffhanger but at least it's the middle game. You could call the ME3 ending a cliffhanger. A trilogy that ends with a cliffhanger <_<

Very true but, to be fair, the DA team have still not confirmed the DA games are part of a trilogy. I think they're looking at it as a series, like The Elder Scrolls.

And yeah, a trilogy that ends with a cliffhanger is...

Ugh. I've been thinking about this too much. xD