I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel. It's right in the centre at the bottom. Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it. So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.
Indoctrination theory debunked
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redplague
, mars 17 2012 12:26
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:27
joe1852
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nope im not listening la la la la la la la
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:27
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That doesn't debunk the entire theory though. Not even close.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:28
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joe1852 wrote...
nope im not listening la la la la la la la
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:28
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And this invalidates indoctrination theory how?
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:29
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Pottumuusi wrote...
And this invalidates indoctrination theory how?
Ummm.....I just said why.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:30
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No that picture is just using an asset over. They do that a lot with assets in games. That does not debunked the Indoctrination theory.
If Bioware is smart they would jump onto it and embrace it- build some free DLC after the scene and then just make up the cost with the money charged in the other DLCs.
Win -Win
If not they will see low sales for single player content DLC
If Bioware is smart they would jump onto it and embrace it- build some free DLC after the scene and then just make up the cost with the money charged in the other DLCs.
Win -Win
If not they will see low sales for single player content DLC
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:30
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I believe that the theory is that the boy is real in the first scene (playing with the shuttle) and a side effect of indoctrination after that
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:30
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Go watch "Bones" season 6 ep 9, called "The doctor in the photo". Same premise.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:30
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What if the kid was real, and the Reapers just prey on Shepard's feelings of futility about not saving him?
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:32
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redplague wrote...
Pottumuusi wrote...
And this invalidates indoctrination theory how?
Ummm.....I just said why.
I am not an expert on the indoctrination theory.. but...
If you can produce a boy only you can see. couldn't indoctrination trick the mind to see the boy in a picture of someone else. maybe it is a different boy in that picture but in sheaprds mind it is shown as the begaining boy /star child.
I am just saying. if it can do a full human that can run and walk in sheaprds mind. it can do a static picture of the same boy.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:32
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Victia wrote...
I believe that the theory is that the boy is real in the first scene (playing with the shuttle) and a side effect of indoctrination after that
I Disagree no one tries to help the child its bs. What adult doesn't help a child right away in that situation?
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:33
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redplague wrote...
I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel. It's right in the centre at the bottom. Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it. So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.
Well everything you see in the game is from Shepard's point of view. If he sees a picture of the boy, it doesnt mean anyone else is seeing it. That's the whole idea of a hallucination.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:33
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You play the game as Shepard, so how do you know you're not the only one who sees it? 
Edit: I've been Kai Leng'd
Edit: I've been Kai Leng'd
Modifié par Deviant Seraph, 17 mars 2012 - 12:34 .
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:33
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Just because the boy may have actually existed doesn't mean that the reapers didn't just reach into Sheperd's head and latch onto that particular memory as an anchor to exploit him. One could contend that they'd have the power to access a being's sub-conscience memories .
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:33
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logan23tom78 wrote...
No that picture is just using an asset over. They do that a lot with assets in games. That does not debunked the Indoctrination theory.
If Bioware is smart they would jump onto it and embrace it- build some free DLC after the scene and then just make up the cost with the money charged in the other DLCs.
Win -Win
If not they will see low sales for single player content DLC
I agree... id like to think this was their plan all along but if it wasnt, they could easily say it was and make a lot of people very happy and make a lot of money in the process... hardly a paragon move but a smart one none the less
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:34
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whose to say the kid was never real?
it could be possible both are true.. The kid really is playing in that little garden area at the very beginning.. and he really does get killed later.. this genuinely effects Shepard, and the reapers use this against him, or if not the reapers then his own mind.. and that is just how he perceives it
it could be possible both are true.. The kid really is playing in that little garden area at the very beginning.. and he really does get killed later.. this genuinely effects Shepard, and the reapers use this against him, or if not the reapers then his own mind.. and that is just how he perceives it
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:34
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I always thought the whole 'the boy was always a halucination' aspect of the theory was pretty spurious anyway. I think it's far more likely that the effects started occuring after Shepard's partial breakdown post-Thessia and that, if true, the indoctrination attempt merely utilised the image of the child in order to manipulate Shepard, which is basically what the Catalyst does even if you take the endings at face value.
Indoc. theory is just a way to make the ending more palatable. It works as an interpretation which I personally enjoy. It isn't the universal truth that the preachers around here need to carry door to door like they seem to be..
Indoc. theory is just a way to make the ending more palatable. It works as an interpretation which I personally enjoy. It isn't the universal truth that the preachers around here need to carry door to door like they seem to be..
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:34
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That debunks the entire theory? Really? REALLY? Get the **** out.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:35
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We just have to accept that the endings sucked. Nothing to be done im afraid.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:35
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Nice observation,, but there are plenty of workarounds which keep the Indoc Theory afloat:
1) Shepard is hallucinating that picture as well
2) The boy is actually real. The Indoctrination starts at his dreams/London
Easily done.
That said, I don't think Bioware INTENDED the Indoc Theory. However, I do like it.
1) Shepard is hallucinating that picture as well
2) The boy is actually real. The Indoctrination starts at his dreams/London
Easily done.
That said, I don't think Bioware INTENDED the Indoc Theory. However, I do like it.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:35
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so they used the same model as the kid in a few photographs. Don't care.
Besides the kid can be real and it still wouldn't disprove the theory.
Besides the kid can be real and it still wouldn't disprove the theory.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:36
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Not really. It could only be Shepard that sees the picture on the wall.
Further, not everyone agrees on when the Indoctrination happens. Some think it's been happening all along. Some think it happens in London.
But even if Shepard has been slowly indoctrinated all a long, the kid could still be real, and the dreams + the Star Child manifesting could have been taken from her memory of the kid. This hardly debunks it.
Further, not everyone agrees on when the Indoctrination happens. Some think it's been happening all along. Some think it happens in London.
But even if Shepard has been slowly indoctrinated all a long, the kid could still be real, and the dreams + the Star Child manifesting could have been taken from her memory of the kid. This hardly debunks it.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 12:36
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redplague wrote...
Pottumuusi wrote...
And this invalidates indoctrination theory how?
Ummm.....I just said why.
You have to be trolling....
Shep being the only person seeing the boy isn't even the main part of the theory and what if you see the boy with the ship then he dies, when the reapers just arrive.
Theres way to many variables to debunk a whole theory with something as weak as that...
