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[wryterra]

redplague wrote...

I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel.  It's right in the centre at the bottom.  Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it.  So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.

If you presume that the boy playing with his toy Normandy was a real boy but that the appearances of him there-after are indoctrination, then the real boy existed and was last seen on Earth. It doesn't mean anyone else saw him at the same time and in the same places Shepard saw him. 

[Victia]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Victia wrote...

I believe that the theory is that the boy is real in the first scene (playing with the shuttle) and a side effect of indoctrination after that

I Disagree no one tries to help the child its bs. What adult doesn't help a child right away in that situation?

I think you read that wrong - or i typed poorly! I was saying that when we first see the child (he is playing wth the shuttle model in the garden - before vega comes and talks to she to take him/her to see the war council) the child is a real boy! After that (, running accross the balony bit where we fight husks, in the vents and when he is getting in the shuttle to 'escape' he is in sheps head as a side effect of indoctrination!

[redplague]

If they are indoctrinating Sheperd in ME3. Why didn't they do it earlier when he was causing trouble in ME1? Especially on Virmiye (sp?) where Sovreign was on the same planet as him.

[AtlasMickey]

Haha! Awesome.

If you could post a screenshot, that'd be great. Otherwise I'll try to look for one.

But, you know what they're gonna say? They're gonna say that only Shepard can see that photo...

[Mallissin]

I don't seem to remember anyone pointing to the picture and saying "I REMEMBER HIM!"

The picture itself could be an indoctrination hallucination, as several others mention.

P.S. I put a picture of your mom on the wall, because I decimated her like a Reaper at a Hanar colony. Like jelly in my hands.

[IanPolaris]

During the opening credits of ME3, you see a boy playing with his toy spaceship much like any boy would play with his model ships. He happens to be playing right underneath Shep's detention cell. I think it's quite likely that THIS boy was real and Shep had seen him play for some time and it was this imprint that the Reapers used. I note that this is about the only time we see this particular little boy actually act like a little boy. Why? If the Indoc theory is true, it's because this is the only time we actually really saw that boy. However, if the model or imprint was an actual little boy, it wouldn't be a suprise to see him on the memorial wall.

-Polaris

[Tyson-666]

The indoctrination theory is only some faint hope for people that cannot believe they went with this ending (myself included) if it turns out to be true, that picture could easily be explained.. If the Reapers were in process of indoctrinating Shep, they could simply make him see the Kid in different form and shapes.. on a picture, in a dream.. etc etc.
The kid could simply be their tool of weakening Shepard, making him crumble.. realising that he cannot save humankind.

[AllergevKev]

logan23tom78 wrote...

No that picture is just using an asset over. They do that a lot with assets in games. That does not debunked the Indoctrination theory.

The entire Indoctrination theory could be torn to shreds if you use the whole reusing assets idea you just used there.

[Thornne]

This whole "It was indoc! No it wasn't!" thing seems silly to me.

We've got the vague, non-comittal ending we've got, and anyone can make just about anything out of it they want. And they'll all be right.

[IanPolaris]

redplague wrote...

If they are indoctrinating Sheperd in ME3. Why didn't they do it earlier when he was causing trouble in ME1? Especially on Virmiye (sp?) where Sovreign was on the same planet as him.

Shepard wasn't exposed before the events of ME1 and honestly Shep was never exposed to reaper tech in ME1 except perhaps at the very end.  He spent most of ME1 fighting the Geth.  Also Sovereign DID try to impant the seeds of indoctrination in Shepard via Saren.  If you are a renegade Shep, Saren even outright says that 'you've impressed it'.  The option to join the reapers was there (at least in principle) almost from the start.

In ME2, Harbinger makes it his mission to recruit/indoctrinate Shepard even to the point of instructing his collector minions to try to take Shepard (or at least his body) intact.

-Polaris

[redplague]

Mallissin wrote...

I don't seem to remember anyone pointing to the picture and saying "I REMEMBER HIM!"

The picture itself could be an indoctrination hallucination, as several others mention.

P.S. I put a picture of your mom on the wall, because I decimated her like a Reaper at a Hanar colony. Like jelly in my hands.

I don't have a mother, thanks for bringing that up.

[DentedHalo]

Mallissin wrote...

I don't seem to remember anyone pointing to the picture and saying "I REMEMBER HIM!"

The picture itself could be an indoctrination hallucination, as several others mention.

P.S. I put a picture of your mom on the wall, because I decimated her like a Reaper at a Hanar colony. Like jelly in my hands.

I laughed very hard at that

[ZodiEmish]

redplague wrote...

If they are indoctrinating Sheperd in ME3. Why didn't they do it earlier when he was causing trouble in ME1? Especially on Virmiye (sp?) where Sovreign was on the same planet as him.

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Maybe he was being indoctrinated.. Even in the codex it says that it can be a long process. It didn't happen over night with saren.

You have to remember that Shepard is strong willed. Maybe he has been mentally fighting.. Each time getting closer to a reaper pushing it more and more.


Who knows.. Who cares... Not like it matters. This theory can go three ways.

1. it is right

2. They use it for ending DLC

3. It is wrong.

But I don't think your picture proves it wrong.

[Montana]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

What if the kid was real, and the Reapers just prey on Shepard's feelings of futility about not saving him?

^This

[wikkedjester]

I'm going with this;


Sorry I view things like pics as stock images just like Tali just there to be there.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Except the prothean VI can detect indoctrination, and it doesn't flag when it sees you. It still doesn't flag in the Illusive Man's office 10 minutes before you leave for Earth. We know a fast indoctrination basically turns one into a mindless husk, and Shepard is not a husk.

[Tumedus]

IanPolaris wrote...

redplague wrote...

If they are indoctrinating Sheperd in ME3. Why didn't they do it earlier when he was causing trouble in ME1? Especially on Virmiye (sp?) where Sovreign was on the same planet as him.

Shepard wasn't exposed before the events of ME1 and honestly Shep was never exposed to reaper tech in ME1 except perhaps at the very end.  He spent most of ME1 fighting the Geth.  Also Sovereign DID try to impant the seeds of indoctrination in Shepard via Saren.  If you are a renegade Shep, Saren even outright says that 'you've impressed it'.  The option to join the reapers was there (at least in principle) almost from the start.

In ME2, Harbinger makes it his mission to recruit/indoctrinate Shepard even to the point of instructing his collector minions to try to take Shepard (or at least his body) intact.

-Polaris

Technically he is exposed to reaper tech in the very first mission. Sovereign is on the planet and sending out what Shepard guesses at the time to be jamming signals.

Modifié par Tumedus, 17 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Vyndral]

On an odd note, if the reapers could easily make people see whatever they wanted, why they heck didnt the just put a husk on ,oh i dont know, Liara.

Shep walks in, goes OMG HUSK! Guns down Liara. You want to break Shepard have him start shooting his friends. Not posting pictures of phantom little boys on the Normandy.

[Complistic]

redplague wrote...

If they are indoctrinating Sheperd in ME3. Why didn't they do it earlier when he was causing trouble in ME1? Especially on Virmiye (sp?) where Sovreign was on the same planet as him.

because he hadn't come into contact with object ro yet.

[Asepsis]

Argh I totally forgot I saw that pic too, however it doesn't completely rule out indoctrination. Either way, at the end of the game, Shepard was having their mind effed by the reapers, having the ghostly projection of a kid you saw die means that they were in Shepard's head somehow.

[Greed1914]

While I'm not a complete believer in the theory, I don't see this as debunking it.

Let's say the kid is real, and someone placed that picture on the wall. If the theory is true this actually supports it because the one who controls the Reapers took the form of that boy. If the Reapers are in Shepard's head, they'd know how responsible he feels.

Now, let's suppose that the boy was never real. If that is true, seeing that picture doesn't necessarily change anything. We never see who put it there. We already know that those who are indoctrinated hear voices that aren't there, and can be made to do things as extreme as murder. It's not a stretch to think they could make someone see what they wanted to see. Again, they are in Shepard's head and know how s/he feels about that boy.


Again, not saying I believe it, but there is enough going for how indoctrination works, that I can see it still working out.

[P_sutherland]

redplague wrote...

If they are indoctrinating Sheperd in ME3. Why didn't they do it earlier when he was causing trouble in ME1? Especially on Virmiye (sp?) where Sovreign was on the same planet as him.

Soverign had saren and the geth.

[Helen0rz]

I remember when I played the demo, me and my friends saw the boy then immediately wondered if he was "real". Now that I'm done with the game, I think the boy is real...up until Earth I think, but definitely not after.