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[DentedHalo]

bwFex wrote...

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

You cant use logic against those who support the theory OP, you just can't.

You most certainly can. You just need to find a much more convincing argument than this one, which has already been debated/refuted several times.

Right now, the strongest argument against the indoctrination theory is the text message from bioware at the end of the game which seems to suggest you really did beat the reapers. Everything else I've seen has been easily refuted. That one, I still don't have an answer for.

im with several other of the posters here... if anyone can provide me with a theory that makes that ending work within the Universe ill listen... until them im with Marauder Shields and the indoctrination theory...

[Paragon Auducan]

KorPhaeron wrote...

lol I love how every1 skips my post, since , what I said is so true, the indoc theory is logical fallacy, since its made up fan-fiction.

Its like someone saying , can you disprove the existence of God

The fact is it's the other way around, the Thoery has no evidence against it whatsoever.

[Rawgrim]

KorPhaeron wrote...

lol I love how every1 skips my post, since , what I said is so true, the indoc theory is logical fallacy, since its made up fan-fiction.

Its like someone saying , can you disprove the existence of God

The codex is fan-fiction is it? Nobody has made up anything. Just pointing out indications of indoctrination.
I am sure you agree that indoctrination, a well known weapon of the reapers, makes more sense than space magic?

[Chuvvy]

So your entire "debunking" is based on the idea that bioware wouldn't reuse assets? The same bioware that photoshopped a picture of a model for the design of an entire alien species. Alrighty then.

[Endersgone]

There's no way to completely disprove Indoc, just as there's no way to outright prove it. Believers are going to believe, skeptics are going to be skeptics... just like every other "conspiracy theory". Interpret the story as you wish for now, until we hear word from Bio nothing is certain.

[Cosmar]

The child is only a tertiary component to the overall indoctrination theory.

I believe that the child was real all along, but at the end the reapers use Shepard's memory of the child against him. It's that simple.

[Paragon Auducan]

Also why leave Shepard alive (this is at the same time he's hit by the pulse that the codex STATES Indoctrinates people) during Arrival DLC. They could have killed him/her right there and then.

Modifié par Paragon Auducan, 17 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[aliengmr1]

Wait, Im confused does Indoc theory still ascertain that bioware planned it all?

[Rawgrim]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also why leave Shepard alive (this is at the same time he's hit by the pulse that the codex STATES Indoctrinates people) during Arrival DLC. They could have killed him/her right there and then.

He doesn`t wake up if the War Assets arn`t high enough, even if he picks Destroy. Allies keeping them off hi body, maybe?

[Paragon Auducan]

Rawgrim wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also why leave Shepard alive (this is at the same time he's hit by the pulse that the codex STATES Indoctrinates people) during Arrival DLC. They could have killed him/her right there and then.

He doesn`t wake up if the War Assets arn`t high enough, even if he picks Destroy. Allies keeping them off hi body, maybe?

No I mean during Arrival, the link between ME2 and 3. The most current event between the two and he's hit by a energy pulse (codex states this indoctrinates), he's left for 2 days next to it and they let him live.

[Rawgrim]

aliengmr1 wrote...

Wait, Im confused does Indoc theory still ascertain that bioware planned it all?

It doesn`t. But it makes more sense than them doing a U-turn at the end of the game, and introducing space magic.

[CavScout]

You can not convince people that the image of Jesus in the toast is just a random pattern... same with this theory folks are clinging to.

[Montana]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Except the prothean VI can detect indoctrination, and it doesn't flag when it sees you. It still doesn't flag in the Illusive Man's office 10 minutes before you leave for Earth. We know a fast indoctrination basically turns one into a mindless husk, and Shepard is not a husk.

Fast indoctrination doesn't turn you into a husk. It breaks down the brain fast (days instead of months).
rinjirenee.tumblr.com/post/19289562703/did-anyone-read-the-codex-entry-for-indoctrination-for
The more control the reaper exerts, the more husklike the victim becomes.

[Rawgrim]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also why leave Shepard alive (this is at the same time he's hit by the pulse that the codex STATES Indoctrinates people) during Arrival DLC. They could have killed him/her right there and then.

He doesn`t wake up if the War Assets arn`t high enough, even if he picks Destroy. Allies keeping them off hi body, maybe?

No I mean during Arrival, the link between ME2 and 3. The most current event between the two and he's hit by a energy pulse (codex states this indoctrinates), he's left for 2 days next to it and they let him live.

This is true. I had forgotten about that. Been so long since I played Arrival. Good point.

[QwertyMusicMan]

I think that was more of an easter egg than anything else.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also why leave Shepard alive (this is at the same time he's hit by the pulse that the codex STATES Indoctrinates people) during Arrival DLC. They could have killed him/her right there and then.

Yeah, the terrorists waited around for two whole days for Shepard to wake up, so they could then detonate the core. Instead of just killing the one person in the whole galaxy that can stop them as he sleeps soundly on the floor.

He's not indoctrinated. The Prothean VI won't deal with indoctrinated forces without being hacked. It clearly talks to you on Thessia.

[Rawgrim]

CavScout wrote...

You can not convince people that the image of Jesus in the toast is just a random pattern... same with this theory folks are clinging to.

Its alot easier to belive in space magic, isn`t it?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

God! I wish the Indoctrination theroy was true it makes more sense than what we got, but I think you give bioware too much credit, the ending is what it is and will not be changed

[Paragon Auducan]

Why would the Prothean VI see someone who isn't Indoctrinated fully as being Indoctrinated? Also that was what killed the Protheans, Indoctrinated leaders.

[GnusmasTHX]

I'd like to point out that all the memorial wall pictures were photos of UE3 development. I had a major nostalgia trip when I saw them.

[aliengmr1]

Rawgrim wrote...

aliengmr1 wrote...

Wait, Im confused does Indoc theory still ascertain that bioware planned it all?

It doesn`t. But it makes more sense than them doing a U-turn at the end of the game, and introducing space magic.

ohhh ok whew, thought you all were losing it there. and I agree it does.

[Zhuinden]

redplague wrote...

I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel.  It's right in the centre at the bottom.  Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it.  So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.

Hell, considering Shepard is imagining the boy itself, she might be just imagining the image of him as well. As in, he seemed to be an orphan, who would take a photo of him?

[annoyingpoodle]

redplague wrote...

I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel.  It's right in the centre at the bottom.  Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it.  So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.

That actually proves that the boy was never real.

[Rawgrim]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also why leave Shepard alive (this is at the same time he's hit by the pulse that the codex STATES Indoctrinates people) during Arrival DLC. They could have killed him/her right there and then.

Yeah, the terrorists waited around for two whole days for Shepard to wake up, so they could then detonate the core. Instead of just killing the one person in the whole galaxy that can stop them as he sleeps soundly on the floor.

He's not indoctrinated. The Prothean VI won't deal with indoctrinated forces without being hacked. It clearly talks to you on Thessia.

It talks to you there because you arn`t indoctrinated yet. You are just having sympthoms of it -in case you missed it the first 5 times people told you this.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Why would the Prothean VI see someone who isn't Indoctrinated fully as being Indoctrinated? Also that was what killed the Protheans, Indoctrinated leaders.

Kai Leng is still in control of himself to an extent. He isn't "fully" indoctrinated. But the VI sure sniffs him out from a mile away, doesn't it?