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[Tiax Rules All]

Rawgrim wrote...

Cooling85 wrote...

Well, seems liked it IS now debunked: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see this has already been brought up

Where does this debunk it?

It doesn't and we have seen this a hundred times already. Also hes says they are working on releasing more content for ME3... whats the prob

Indoc theory has facts, evidence and common sense on its side..
Yet this thread shows that there is only one side actully grasping at straws. except they dont even have straws to grasp. Their evidence is only to try and discredit Indoc evidence.

[Pobatti]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Cooling85 wrote...

Well, seems liked it IS now debunked: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see this has already been brought up

Where does this debunk it?

It doesn't and we have seen this a hundred times already. Also hes says they are working on releasing more content for ME3... whats the prob

Indoc theory has facts, evidence and common sense on its side..
Yet this thread shows that there is only one side actully grasping at straws. except they dont even have straws to grasp. Their evidence is only to try and discredit Indoc evidence.

That's true - I find it highly amusing when folks try to 'debunk' a theory by providing another 'theory' that serves no purpose but to 'debunk' someone else's well though-out theory... and often has more holes than the theory they're attempting to debunk.

Anyhow, I've said it before and I'll say it again - with vague endings like these, canon is what you make it. Unless the game explicitly says otherwise, and you take it onboard, the ending turned out exactly the way you interpret it. Even a direct quote from Casey Hudson saying the Indoctrination Theory is incorrect isn't good enough to debunk it - unless it gets directly referenced or explained in the game. You won't get punished or lose out by chosing to do that, and only trolls would dare deny someone of their own beliefs for no good reason.

The cannon of Mass Effect contains whatever you like. That can be elements from the games (the whole trilogy, or even just Mass Effect 3 alone if you've only played that one), the novels, the upcoming movie, quotes from Bioware, fan theory and anything else you like. Why? Because it really only matters to you. It's only naturaly for the human brain to start to arrange random bits of information in such a way as to provide a result that person can better accept. Mass Effect is a work of fiction, we are not going to get tested for factual accuracy.

As long as you're entertained, it's all good 

[GOODKyle]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

That doesn't debunk the entire theory though. Not even close.

Yea, some people who believe the indoc theory still think the kid was there. The reapers just pulled him out of Shep's mind. 

[NeecHMonkeY]

If you run away from the kid in your dreams, he eventually calls your name... in Harbinger's voice.

Anyone care to explain that?

Modifié par NeecHMonkeY, 17 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[Cooling85]

Rawgrim wrote...

Cooling85 wrote...

Well, seems liked it IS now debunked: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see this has already been brought up

Where does this debunk it?

It doesn't, it was a poor choice of words, I should have said makes it unlikely. Here's why:

The indoctrination theory proposes that what we saw, what was explained at the end, is just in Shepard's mind, as it were. But when you read what he wrote, it implies that the ending is as given, and that he understands why some fans need more closure.

Something else i would say: it is pretty unnerving seeing people cling to the indoctrination theory so hard. I know people care a lot about this series, but it's becoming pretty daft seeing this.

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying
theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending"

Modifié par Cooling85, 17 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[TheNexus]

redplague wrote...

I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel.  It's right in the centre at the bottom.  Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it.  So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.

He could just be creating the image in his head. He's not necessarily in control of everything he see's.

That's the thing about the indoctrination theory. There's no way of knowing when Shepard started to become indoctrinated, and how much it has affected what we have seen over the course of Mass Effect 3.

[DentedHalo]

Pobatti wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Cooling85 wrote...

Well, seems liked it IS now debunked: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see this has already been brought up

Where does this debunk it?

It doesn't and we have seen this a hundred times already. Also hes says they are working on releasing more content for ME3... whats the prob

Indoc theory has facts, evidence and common sense on its side..
Yet this thread shows that there is only one side actully grasping at straws. except they dont even have straws to grasp. Their evidence is only to try and discredit Indoc evidence.

That's true - I find it highly amusing when folks try to 'debunk' a theory by providing another 'theory' that serves no purpose but to 'debunk' someone else's well though-out theory... and often has more holes than the theory they're attempting to debunk.

Anyhow, I've said it before and I'll say it again - with vague endings like these, canon is what you make it. Unless the game explicitly says otherwise, and you take it onboard, the ending turned out exactly the way you interpret it. Even a direct quote from Casey Hudson saying the Indoctrination Theory is incorrect isn't good enough to debunk it - unless it gets directly referenced or explained in the game. You won't get punished or lose out by chosing to do that, and only trolls would dare deny someone of their own beliefs for no good reason.

The cannon of Mass Effect contains whatever you like. That can be elements from the games (the whole trilogy, or even just Mass Effect 3 alone if you've only played that one), the novels, the upcoming movie, quotes from Bioware, fan theory and anything else you like. Why? Because it really only matters to you. It's only naturaly for the human brain to start to arrange random bits of information in such a way as to provide a result that person can better accept. Mass Effect is a work of fiction, we are not going to get tested for factual accuracy.

As long as you're entertained, it's all good 

very well said

[Cooling85]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Cooling85 wrote...

Well, seems liked it IS now debunked: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see this has already been brought up

Where does this debunk it?

It doesn't and we have seen this a hundred times already. Also hes says they are working on releasing more content for ME3... whats the prob

Indoc theory has facts, evidence and common sense on its side..
Yet this thread shows that there is only one side actully grasping at straws. except they dont even have straws to grasp. Their evidence is only to try and discredit Indoc evidence.

Funny, what side am I on? Did I say? Did I imply?

EDIT: Where does your annoyance lay? With Bioware, or with anyone who doesn't say they believe in the Indoctrination theory?

Modifié par Cooling85, 17 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[Rockpopple]

Honestly, Indoc. Theory still continues to make infinitely more sense than the nonsensical garbage we were given at face-value.

If it turns out they honestly thought some metaphysical bull**** ending full of plotholes was the best they could leave the Mass Effect series, and Indoc. Theory only fit a bunch of coincidental facts, then it'd make me very sad.

As such, I still believe in it... tho the PR statement from what's-his-name isn't making me feel that confident about it anymore.

[Lyriq]

Not unless Shepard put the picture there.
...
That he took with his invisible omni-tool camera ...
While the kid was being shot down.

[loungeshep]

Actually I'd be pissed if Bioware decided shep was indoctrinated. She's shown no signs of it, PRothean VI didn't sense it, so all the sudden LOLINDOCRINATED!....? THAT would ruin the game.

Also, fully explaining the mystery behind the reapers origins would ruin the trilogy.

[cellotlix]

Hahahah! Good one, dude!

Oh, wait; you're serious?

:-/

[Rockpopple]

Lounge, read the theory again. Shepard was Indoctrinated, or was being Indoctrinated, in the last moments of the game. Not since the start.

Bah. Who cares?

[Rip The Reaper]

I saw Kaiden picure on the wall too

[Peer of the Empire]

This has nothing to do with indoctrination theory

[Leeloo Multipass]

redplague wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

And this invalidates indoctrination theory how?

Ummm.....I just said why.

Snarkiness not at all necessary.

It doesn't debunk the theory. If you assume that the child DID exist at some point but was a victim of the reaper invasion (say for example he was blown up when he ran into that house with the vent and reaper's beam struck), the reapers are simply using his image to get into Shepard's mind.

I would challenge you to explain why there are (literal) warning signs EVERYTIME you see the kid in that sequence if he was only a regular kid. Shepard's dreams culminate in Shepard seeing his/her own distruction beside the kid. I mean, he doesnt even behave like a normal kid! What kid would sit in a vent and refuse help during an invasion by saying "No one can help me" in a calm voice? Most kids would run screaming and crying into Shepard's arms.

From the second I saw that kid sitting in the vent, I said "I don't think that kid is a normal kid." My boyfriend didn't see it, but now who's laughing!?

No one's laughing...no one is laughing at all

[crimsontotem]

Not even a dent

[redplague]

If someone comes to you and says they were abducted by aliens, it's not up to you to prove that they weren't, it's up to the other guy to prove that he was.

Therefore it's up to people to prove the indoctrination theory, not up to us to disprove it.

[Tiax Rules All]

redplague wrote...

If someone comes to you and says they were abducted by aliens, it's not up to you to prove that they weren't, it's up to the other guy to prove that he was.

Therefore it's up to people to prove the indoctrination theory, not up to us to disprove it.

BOOOOOM

[redplague]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

redplague wrote...

If someone comes to you and says they were abducted by aliens, it's not up to you to prove that they weren't, it's up to the other guy to prove that he was.

Therefore it's up to people to prove the indoctrination theory, not up to us to disprove it.

BOOOOOM

I've already seen this and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

[MDT1]

redplague wrote...

I've already seen this and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

And I have seen the pic of the boy on the Citadel and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

[QuarianHIV]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but during the starting mission (with Anderson) you can clearly see the kid running into the same building that Shepard later enters. Its the building where you have to clear the husks and which then has its windows blown out by the Reaper.

So the kid is probably not a hallucination.

[MDT1]

QuarianHIV wrote...

Not sure if this has been mentioned but during the starting mission (with Anderson) you can clearly see the kid running into the same building that Shepard later enters. Its the building where you have to clear the husks and which then has its windows blown out by the Reaper.

So the kid is probably not a hallucination.

Yeah, by walking trough a closed door.

[redplague]

MDT1 wrote...

redplague wrote...

I've already seen this and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

And I have seen the pic of the boy on the Citadel and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

You obviously didn't understand what I said, it's not up to us to try harder, it's up to the believers to try harder.