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[Robhuzz]

redplague wrote...

I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel.  It's right in the centre at the bottom.  Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it.  So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.

If anything it makes the theory stronger. The fact that the boy was real and Shepard associates him with the feeling of loss and hopelessness over the people he could not save makes it an even more attractive image for Harbinger to use against Shepard.

[Claym0re]

Maybe the whole ME3 was just a hallucination.

[RedShft]

As much as I like indoctrination theory, due to its cleverness and ability to spin a poor ending in a good light, after the reactions from Bioware I can't help but think the ending was intended to be taken as is.

[-Zorph-]

redplague wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

redplague wrote...

I've already seen this and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

And I have seen the pic of the boy on the Citadel and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

You obviously didn't understand what I said, it's not up to us to try harder, it's up to the believers to try harder.

Lol, worst possible troll attempt I've seen in the past few days on these boards and I've seen quite a fwe.  First of all in no way does a picture of the boy debunk ANYTHING.

Two reaons;
1) Shepard could still be 'picturing' the boy because Harbinger pushed it so hard into his mind during indoctrination that it became something he pictured as real.
2) The boy was real at first but after the boy's death Harbinger just used the boy's memory in Shepard's mind to gain an emotional connection to successfully perform the indoctrination.

[Hashbeth]

Whether the boy is alive or dead is not the issue.

The Child (whether existing or not) is a leitmotif used to show dreams. You present a strange logical fallacy:

If this thing was ever used in one manner, then it can only ever be used in that manner

[jb1983]

redplague wrote...

I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel.  It's right in the centre at the bottom.  Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it.  So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.

All this does is debunk the theory that the boy was never real to begin with. 

For actual indoc theories that state indoc begins from the moment of the laser, they can point out that the boy's death stuck with Shepard, thus the Reapers used a vision of the boy to sooth Shepard. 

And I'm not even an indoc believer.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Unless that was another subtle little thing they left in, maybe only Shepard actually sees it ast hat boy and not another! o__O

Come to think of it, where the **** were that kids parents when all that **** went down?  If they escaped why did they not look for their kid first?  Fishy like a halibut. 

Or you know, maybe it was just something Bioware did completely mindlessly with no deeper intentions and indoc is false, yadeya. 

But debunked?  No. 

[MDT1]

redplague wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

redplague wrote...

I've already seen this and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

And I have seen the pic of the boy on the Citadel and it proves nothing.

Try harder.

You obviously didn't understand what I said, it's not up to us to try harder, it's up to the believers to try harder.

You are also just a believer, you just belive in the other thing.

As long as Bioware don't get their asses into motion and deliver facts, we all are believers.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

OP, how do you know Shepard isn't just imagining the kid's picture on the wall? 

[RavenEyry]

I'm not reading the whole thread but I will respond to the OP. We know there is a photo of the kid, we went over the game with a fine toothed comb. It just means the kid was real at some point, it doesn't preclude the reapers using his image to influence Shepard. Also debunking one part of a theory doesn't debunk the whole thing. The kid was never the central point of the theory.

[Swagga like Bane]

redplague wrote...

If they are indoctrinating Sheperd in ME3. Why didn't they do it earlier when he was causing trouble in ME1? Especially on Virmiye (sp?) where Sovreign was on the same planet as him.

Maybe Shepard is one human that is particularly difficult to indoctrinate. That might be way we spent a trilogy with him fighting other indoctrinated beings while he managed to hold his own sanity.

Modifié par Swagga like Bane, 17 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[Rusty0918]

redplaque, only Shepard gets the "visions" with the boy. The real one could very well be dead, but this one is a manifestation caused by the attempted Reaper indoctrination.

I 90% believe in the indoctrination theory, but what we really need is a sense of closure, a true heroic ending. Not leave it at the "Shepard breathing in rubble" if you have high enough EMS. Ending the trilogy this way overall is like ending the "Star Wars" trilogy like "Gallipoli" if that is the case.

[Rawgrim]

I think most can agree that the ending was lacking, even if the indoctrination theory turns out to be true or not.

[RavenEyry]

Rawgrim wrote...

I think most can agree that the ending was lacking, even if the indoctrination theory turns out to be true or not.

Changing a stupid ending to a smart cliffhanger is a step in the right direction, but we still need a resolution to that cliffhanger.

Hold the square or some such.

[Knut0]

Doctor Moustache wrote...
Come to think of it, where the **** were that kids parents when all that **** went down?  If they escaped why did they not look for their kid first?  Fishy like a halibut. 

Remember the husk you encountered in the door opening? Take a guess at who it can be...

[schulz100]

You know why this theory isn't true? Because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Never before in the history of the series has anyone been indoctrinated by the explosion of a reaper-lazer-beam-death-ray. I prefer to think of it(though I remain completely satisfied with the endings) as Shepard suffering a near-death experience/hallucination.

[Montana]

schulz100 wrote...

You know why this theory isn't true? Because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Never before in the history of the series has anyone been indoctrinated by the explosion of a reaper-lazer-beam-death-ray. I prefer to think of it(though I remain completely satisfied with the endings) as Shepard suffering a near-death experience/hallucination.

They could seize the oppurtunity to try to indoctrinate Shep while he's unconsious and wounded.

Rapid indocrination is possible, so the kid could initially be real, and the Reapers, picking up on his guilt over not saving the boy. Uses it to confuse him.

It's kind of scary how well this theory fits.

It wasn't intended though, just someone interpreting the situation and forming an interesting theory.
I hope it becomes a reality.

[sizuka2]

Or - and this seems a little obvious - the fact that Shepherd sees a boy that no one else sees is perfectly consistent with Shepherd... seeing a photo of a boy that no one else sees.

Not saying indoctrination is correct - though I'd like it to be. More likely this is just plain incompetence - a desire to be Shyamalan for a day.

[Adhal]

redplague wrote...

I noticed the picture of the boy from Earth on the memorial wall in the Citadel.  It's right in the centre at the bottom.  Other people in the game must have noticed this picture as they would have just placed another picture there in front of it.  So this debunks the theory that no one else but Sheperd notices the boy.

or only shepard can see the picture, so then your theory is debunked.

[Adhal]

schulz100 wrote...

You know why this theory isn't true? Because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Never before in the history of the series has anyone been indoctrinated by the explosion of a reaper-lazer-beam-death-ray. I prefer to think of it(though I remain completely satisfied with the endings) as Shepard suffering a near-death experience/hallucination.

Nope, but hes been in contact with many reapers/reaper artifacts, which can take its toll.. also adrenaline speed up the process, which geting shot by a beam would definately pump tons of adrenaline in him as that would be the only thing keeping him alive.

Indoctrination is the only thing that makes that end make sense.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

When you envision a child die.. then that child haunts your dreams...

you thiink imagining that child's picture on a memorial wall is too stretching it too far?  That's not a debunking at all.





The biggest possible thing for an Indoctrination Theory debunk is Casey Hudson's defense of the terrible ending they produced on the disc.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 18 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[Vhalkyrie]

I think the boy was real. Shepard was watching him play with a toy spaceship at the beginning of the game. However, the boy in the airducts, and running into the building the Reapers blew up were hallucinations. It is just odd and out of place that Shepard would see him there.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 18 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[im commander shep]

The boy is real but the reapers still use his image knowing that shepard is having nightmares about him and what happened. Indoctrination Theory is back

Shepard Out

[Fingertrip]

Well done troll, well done.